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by **NTESHFT** » Wed Oct 03, 2012 2:26 pm

I'm done with retail, myself. If I'm gonna spend an absurd amount of money, might as well just save it for the MP line. And if there is a Prime toy (which is now far and few between) it will be Takara. The rest goes to the 3rd party guys. Yeah, I'm just about done with Hasblo....

by **G1 Legacy** » Wed Oct 03, 2012 2:26 pm

You have got to be kidding me?! Just when I begin to work on my anger issues with this franchise THIS has to happen LOL. All kidding aside, I just don't see how they could possibly think that this is gonna fly. I mean they went from $9.99 to $11.99 in the past few years and then they raised them to $14.99 this summer on the heels of their Botcon unveiling (using less plastic to make the toy mind you)and your telling me that now TARGET is charging close to 18 bucks. The phrase WTF comes to mind. The only thing I can think of is they are trying to catch potential Christmas revenue to boost End of Quarter totals.

This does seem like good old fashioned greed in effect. I wouldn't be the least bit suprised if this doesn't result in some type of backlash. I like the FOC game but I havn't been the least bit impressed with the figure line associated with it. I'm still trying to figure out what classifies this as a "Generations" line but thats a different discussion. And their charging MORE for these? I mean its ludicrous. I'm well aware that their are plenty of you that like the new line and have the expendable income but doesnt it hurt just a little bit when your forking over that cash or plastic at the register versus what your getting in return? #-o

I bet their will be a ton of peg warmers come the first of the year. And then you'll see a price drop back to previous rates.

For me personaly this has been such a tough year for this hobby. Botcon came too early, prices skyrocketing, the FunPub fiasco and nothing really good coming out except in the Masterpiece line and those cost a small fortune and now to add insult to injury they charge almost $20 for a Deluxe class. I may need to take a breather from this pretty soon, and that sucks b/c its brought so much joy over the years. :-(

by **shocksound96** » Wed Oct 03, 2012 2:28 pm

i have to save my allowance once a week to get a deluxe transformer. now i have to wait for two weeks to get a deluxe TF. :BANG_HEAD:

by **OptiMagnus** » Wed Oct 03, 2012 2:31 pm

Screw Hasbro, I'm done with them now. I was really getting into collecting the past couple of years (as a result of joining Seibertron) and now I just can't afford it. It used to be a matter of saving up for getting a Takara Transformer for the first time and now it's just deciding on which ONE Hasbro figure out of all of them is worth dumping my money on. This is just utterly ridiculous. I'm done buying action figures from now on.

News Credits: 5 · by **welcometothedarksyde** » Wed Oct 03, 2012 2:47 pm

I'm a 14 year old who doesn't really have a steady job, and I simply can not afford this. I already spend a lot on LEGO right now, they're getting my business because their prices aren't going up and they continue to deliver a quality product. I am not going to buy Prime anymore. I think I'll just buy those First Editions and some of the FOC stuff, otherwise it's going to be Masterpiece and Encore. I think Hasbro is already feeling the financial pinch. They reported lowered profits during DOTM and they had to cancel that line early. I won't be surprised if Prime ends prematurely due to poor sales. It is my opinion that sales are down because the toys are noticeably getting worse and the prices are going up. If Hasbro were a good company they would be reading these comments by a significant buying sector of their product, and trying to save this sinking ship. I'm sorry Hasbro, but I'll be buying LEGO for a while...

News Credits: 2 · by **Homerjay14522** » Wed Oct 03, 2012 2:48 pm

This pisses me off. Bigger prices, smaller product. But here is what really confuses me, transformers.com shows suggested retail of $11.99 (http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/en_U ... FE6B:en_US). HasbroToyShop.com has price of $14.99 (http://www.hasbrotoyshop.com/transforme ... 6&ID=30339).

So first off, it apparently is the retailers bending us over, not Hasbro. Secondly, why is Hasbro themselves showing 2 prices? It's actually too bad at both Target and Wal-Mart, they will not price match internet prices, you could possibly use the suggested retail price to argue with. Third, what makes these companies think this will work for them with this poor global economy? I'm willing to bet they will find more figures stolen, or bought then returned with incorrect merchandise in the package like I say at a Kmart the other day to the Cyber Verse Optimus Maximus base figure.

I mean, IDK what we can do beyond contacting the manufacturer to put pressure on the retailers to cut their prices. I mean we live in an age where Wal-Mart won't even price match their OWN WEB SITE PRICES. And their Idea of "Clearance" pricing still has 60%profit margin. What happened to the basic economic Idea that you pay for shelf space, and having product not move loses you money. That once the item has been around for a long time, deeply discount it to get it out of the store to get new product in.

It was a while ago, before Prime figures came out that My local Wal-Mart and a section of pegs, 6 wide my 5 tall, pegs holding about 5 figures, all had the DOTM Deluxe Optimus, and the repaint. That is 150 OF THE SAME FIGURES THAT AREN'T selling. This is why we have only seen some figures like Reveal the Shields at the second hand and discount chains like Marshall's and Ollie's. Someone up higher need to take basic economics classes again and learn how to sell product.

News Credits: 2 · by **whacko** » Wed Oct 03, 2012 2:57 pm

Prices are rising because gas is more expensive. These figures have to physically be shipped to stores all over the world, and it gets more expensive every day to do so. Also, the rising cost of gasoline causes the prices of raw materials, paper, plastics, printing inks, etc to become more expensive which also adds to the increasing cost of the finished product.

I agree with many people that the price of a deluxe class figure should stay below $10. However the truth is that it is likely Hasbro needs to charge these prices, or else stop manufacturing Transformers toys. I don't think this is simply an instance of Hasbro "getting greedy."

by **skidflap** » Wed Oct 03, 2012 2:57 pm

here in California we don't have this issue. usually though i wait for them to end up at Ross or TJ Maxx. That's how i got most of the reveal the shield line and a leader class movie starscream for $22. :michaelbay:

plus some tf prime deluxe class figures have been packaged with a dvd of the episode loose cannons, that's why some of them are almost boarding $20. so far the ones i've seen with this is:

knock out
kup
bumblebee
cliffjumper
wheeljack
soundwave
vehiclcon

other than that, deluxe figures have a decent price tag here. not sure why FOC figures have a high price in other places. :???:

by **alekesam** » Wed Oct 03, 2012 3:00 pm

Hey all, long-time lurker, first time poster.

Yeah, I don't quite get the "charge 'em more for smaller toys" idea either. Some of the WFC TFs figures are pretty bad@$$ but they're not even as big as any of the other lines deluxe toys. Heck, are they even as big as the TF: Prime figures?

I've been surprised by Wal-Mart's recent climb in price because that's where I usually find them the cheapest. Here in California, it hasn't hit 17 bucks yet but I have seen 15 not including tax.

Surprisingly, TRU had the cheapest price by comparison. Even still, I think it's strictly online/ebay/Amazon/other time where I can find deals. 15-17 bucks for deluxes (and not hard to find deluxes, just regular deluxe TFs even) is more than overpriced. May as well just get the Voyagers (which, if they would make all the major characters in the current lines would not be an issue).

News Credits: 1 · by **Autobot Joe** » Wed Oct 03, 2012 3:00 pm

Thankfully, my collection is nearing completion and I only have 1 figure left to buy at retail. I know your thinking "yeah right" but I set a goal for myself years ago and I have about 7-8 figures to go and I'm done. The others will come from Ebay, which is also high priced, but what can you do. I'm not going to stop being a fan by any means. Transformers forever! Fan of Hasbro...not so much. Hasbro, you need to fix this problem before you lose a majority of your customer base. Oil prices and labor cost will soon seem like the least of your problems. If the problem lies in retail, you had better put your foot down on the situation. Thanks.

by **ARCTrooperAlpha** » Wed Oct 03, 2012 3:04 pm

PPL !!! Let's BOYCOTT WALMART !!!!

YEAHHHHHH !!!!!!!!!

by **alekesam** » Wed Oct 03, 2012 3:07 pm

That'd work about as well as it did in Family Guy.

News Credits: 251 · by **Mindmaster** » Wed Oct 03, 2012 3:10 pm

Glad I bought Knock Out today for $15. $17 is ridiculous for the Deluxe-scale. If its going to be like this in the future, I think the Combaticons and several upcoming Classics figures will be the last Deluxes I'll buy in a while.

News Credits: 4 · by **ebonyleopard** » Wed Oct 03, 2012 3:13 pm

I know that with the increase in price and the decrease in size of the toys, I'm starting to be more selective with what character I buy rather than attempt to get a whole wave of a series. Stuff like Marvel Universe, forget about it, $11+ is way to much for toys of that size.

by **Evil_the_Nub** » Wed Oct 03, 2012 3:14 pm

I'd be more upset about this if I could actually find any figures I want. I haven't bought a single Transformer in over 2 months.

by **Stryfe Convoy** » Wed Oct 03, 2012 3:16 pm

So there are quite a few things to think out here.

1. The cost of plastic and what not. That's already been discussed in earlier posts.

2. The cost of manufacturing the toys. Also already discussed in previous posts.

3. No one seems to want to talk about the fact that the 3rd party toys might actually be a part of the price increase. And no, I'm not saying that 3rd party TFs are a problem. If Hasbro is looking at the collecting community and seeing us buying all these expensive 3rd party toys, which are pretty expensive, and sometimes about the same size as the toys they are trying to sell now, they probably haven't actually purchased those 3rd party offerings and seen the difference in quality. If you saw a competitive manufacturer selling similar products at higher price points, and selling more of them than you are, you either up your prices to match, in an attempt to make your own product not seem so cheap, or you stop manufacturing your product. Simple business economics.

Now I realize I'm about to get a whole hell of a lot of flak for that little paragraph, and please let me explain, I wish I could afford all of those 3rd party toys. They are better quality. They are more fun to transform. They are usually made of better material, though that may just be the few 3rd party pieces I actually own. I just can't afford to get the current crop of Hasbro offerings, let alone the toys I really want in my collection.

I'm not trying to persuade anyone to not buy any certain thing. I just thought it might be food for thought...

News Credits: 8 · by **LiKwid** » Wed Oct 03, 2012 3:28 pm

I can confirm these prices in san antonio texas.

Deluxes get smaller, Prices get bigger...seems legit...

*note sarcasm...

by **1111111222233333** » Wed Oct 03, 2012 3:39 pm

Well, third parties win, at least for me. A price increase would be fine if we weren't paying almost $20 for a poopy, unpainted, scout-sized bundle of regret. I pay a LOT for the amazing figures that third parties offer, and have yet to regret one single purchase (and I have a lot of them). I have sworn off game-related figures after acquiring and selling my SDCC Bruticus, Prime, and Jazz. I am also VERY close to being done with collecting Prime. I just don't get any satisfaction paying over $15 for a figure like Knockout, and then paying more to get the pretty much necessary reprolabels. Hasbro needs to up their game. If it weren't for the new direction of the masterpiece line, they wouldn't be getting my money for a loooong time.

News Credits: 15 · by **PrymeStriker** » Wed Oct 03, 2012 3:40 pm

LordBludgeon wrote:Hmm... I was just at Wal-Mart yesterday and for me they are still listed at 12.99. Hopefully they don't get increased too much in my neck of the woods.

Your location is Cybertron. You're on another planet. Here on Earth, prices are truly outrageous!

ARCTrooperAlpha wrote:PPL !!! Let's BOYCOTT WALMART !!!!

YEAHHHHHH !!!!!!!!!

NAAHHHHHH !!!!!!!!!

LiKwid wrote:Deluxes get smaller, Prices get bigger...seems legit...

*note sarcasm...

News Credits: 37 · by **SlyTF1** » Wed Oct 03, 2012 4:19 pm

So, Hasbro thinks it's a smart idea to continue to raise prices and lower the quality. -_- This is why I haven't bought a single damn thing in months. Except for Weaponizers Optimus of course.

News Credits: 11 · by **kirbenvost** » Wed Oct 03, 2012 4:20 pm

I was gonna say "Welcome To Canada!!" but actually, that's $1 more than we've been paying ever since I started collecting some 10 years ago. So I guess you guys have a reason to start complaining now. :lol:

...I'm only pretending to be a dick about it, price increases do suck. It's just that we've been paying 25% more than you guys up here forever, so I didn't feel much sympathy until now. However, this combined with the decreased sizes and complexity and terrible lack of paint apps...yeah, things are getting pretty bad.

by **SonicSpazz** » Wed Oct 03, 2012 4:29 pm

Walmarts in the Springfield, MO area are actually getting stuff. The prices have remained pretty consistent here from store to store. TRU is the same price as Target and Walmart.

by **amtm** » Wed Oct 03, 2012 4:50 pm

Tag prices have gone up but that doesn't necessarily mean you're paying more. I buy on sale only except when I see little chance of finding a sale.

In any case, a couple years ago I dug up scans and pics of U.S. ads and price tags from the '80s and found Starscream was $12.95 at TRU--about the same as a modern Deluxe--and sale prices for deluxe equivalents were around $7 to $8. Keep in mind that's not factoring in inflation. Each dollar was worth more back then.

Just wait for the holiday sales. You'll be able to get Deluxes for $8 to $10 when all is said and done.

News Credits: 15 · by **PrymeStriker** » Wed Oct 03, 2012 4:55 pm

amtm wrote:Just wait for the holiday sales. You'll be able to get Deluxes for $8 to $10 when all is said and done.

But what Deluxes will we see? If they do it right with the holiday reset, we're good.

We just need more shipments. We know how fast Dreadwing, Rumble, Vehicon, Dead End, and others will fly off shelves.

News Credits: 7 · by **Noideaforaname** » Wed Oct 03, 2012 4:57 pm

For what it's worth:

usinflationcalculator.com wrote:If in 1996 [Beast Wars Deluxe] I purchased an item for: $10
then in 2012 [Prime/FoC Deluxe] that same item would cost: $14.68

That is, $15 Deluxes isn't so much price gauging as it is just adjusting for inflation, and that's exactly where the MSRP (Hasbro's suggested price) is set, implying anything above that is purely on the retailers.

Of course, Hasbro has been noticeably cutting corners with a brand that's been doing phenomenally well lately, which is certainly strange. I could understand if they were made to keep the prices down, but that obviously hasn't happened.