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Re: War for Cybertron vs. Prime

Postby sto_vo_kor_2000 » Fri Oct 28, 2011 9:20 pm

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sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:I was aware of that for the most part?

I still dont see why your asking if I read it.
I was wondering if you knew. I figured one would know by reading it or about it.

Still, though, what keeps Beast Wars from being the future to either G1?


the fact that the "Beast" shows made nods to both the g1 toon and comic.Which means it must have derived from a past that shared parts of both the toon and comic.

So, the PAST of the Beast era must be a different G1 universe.
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Re: War for Cybertron vs. Prime

Postby Sabrblade » Fri Oct 28, 2011 9:29 pm

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sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
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sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:I was aware of that for the most part?

I still dont see why your asking if I read it.
I was wondering if you knew. I figured one would know by reading it or about it.

Still, though, what keeps Beast Wars from being the future to either G1?


the fact that the "Beast" shows made nods to both the g1 toon and comic.Which means it must have derived from a past that shared parts of both the toon and comic.

So, the PAST of the Beast era must be a different G1 universe.
Or they might have gotten their history wrong. After all, the Maximal Elders did choose to hide much info of the past regarding the Great War and Earth from the general public.
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Re: War for Cybertron vs. Prime

Postby sto_vo_kor_2000 » Fri Oct 28, 2011 9:35 pm

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sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:I was aware of that for the most part?

I still dont see why your asking if I read it.
I was wondering if you knew. I figured one would know by reading it or about it.

Still, though, what keeps Beast Wars from being the future to either G1?


the fact that the "Beast" shows made nods to both the g1 toon and comic.Which means it must have derived from a past that shared parts of both the toon and comic.

So, the PAST of the Beast era must be a different G1 universe.
Or they might have gotten their history wrong. After all, the Maximal Elders did choose to hide much info of the past regarding the Great War and Earth from the general public.


That doesnt seem likely.

True, its possible they hid much, but making other things up in such detain doesnt maske sence.

Either the toon nods are made up, or the comic stuff is made up.

So, since some of the toon stuff was revisited, then it must be that the "Primus" stuff is all false by the logic of your suggestion.
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Re: War for Cybertron vs. Prime

Postby Sabrblade » Fri Oct 28, 2011 9:46 pm

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sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Either the toon nods are made up, or the comic stuff is made up.
You know, I always wondered what all was referenced from the Marvel Comics in Beast wars (aside from the Primus mentionings). What all was there anyway?
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Re: War for Cybertron vs. Prime

Postby sto_vo_kor_2000 » Fri Oct 28, 2011 10:11 pm

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sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Either the toon nods are made up, or the comic stuff is made up.
You know, I always wondered what all was referenced from the Marvel Comics in Beast wars (aside from the Primus mentionings). What all was there anyway?


As far as I know, Primus and the use of the name "the Ark" is really it.
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Re: War for Cybertron vs. Prime

Postby Sabrblade » Fri Oct 28, 2011 10:21 pm

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sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
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sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Either the toon nods are made up, or the comic stuff is made up.
You know, I always wondered what all was referenced from the Marvel Comics in Beast wars (aside from the Primus mentionings). What all was there anyway?


As far as I know, Primus and the use of the name "the Ark" is really it.
Both of which hold no solid contradiction with the cartoon. Just because neither were mentioned doesn't mean they weren't present. Watching the cartoon, I don't see much that shows they had any real reason to mention the names of either. They could have, but didn't really need to.

Plus, with Primus name not being mentioned, he could have still been present. I could imagine the cartoon characters not knowing of Primus's existence (or at least, most of them. Alpha Trion might have had some recollection of him that he never brought up). After all, it would be the only time a Transformer continuity's characters were unaware of Primus's presence. ;)
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Re: War for Cybertron vs. Prime

Postby sto_vo_kor_2000 » Fri Oct 28, 2011 10:33 pm

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Sabrblade wrote:Both of which hold no solid contradiction with the cartoon.


actully thats noy exactly true.

The cartoon directly states that the TF's were CREATED as merchandise by the Quints.

Thats a solid contradiction from the idea of Primus as their God/creator.Sure, you can cite the retcon in the Ultimate guide, but like I said, theres ample reason not to accept retcons done in different mediums from an offical stasnd point.

Not to mention, if you accept that the comics are connected to the "Beast era" then you have plenty other contradictions to deal with.

Plus, with Primus name not being mentioned, he could have still been present. I could imagine the cartoon characters not knowing of Primus's existence (or at least, most of them. Alpha Trion might have had some recollection of him that he never brought up). After all, it would be the only time a Transformer continuity's characters were unaware of Primus's presence. ;)


Even if your willing to accept Primus, you cant accept all of the comic stuff into the Beast era's past.So, you would be "cherry picking"
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Re: War for Cybertron vs. Prime

Postby Sabrblade » Fri Oct 28, 2011 10:43 pm

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Well, there is one surefire way to reconcile any and all continuity errors in Transformers media. Let's blame the Unicron Singularity. :lol: :-B :KREMZEEK:

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Re: War for Cybertron vs. Prime

Postby sto_vo_kor_2000 » Fri Oct 28, 2011 10:47 pm

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Sabrblade wrote:Well, there is one surefire way to reconcile any and all continuity errors in Transformers media. Let's blame the Unicron Singularity. :lol: :-B :KREMZEEK:

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funny.

but I'm not sure if you meant that as a joke or not.
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Re: War for Cybertron vs. Prime

Postby Archanubis » Sat Oct 29, 2011 7:44 am

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Archanubis wrote:Recieving the Matrix itself seems to require a visit to Cybertron's Core/Primus, which determines if the Prime in question is worthy of recieving the Matrix or not; whether or not the Matrix returns to Primus after the Prime expires is not mentioned.
This seems a little... iffy, since the early chapters of Exodus had Megatron say that the last known location of the Matrix was Altihex. So, it was out and away from the Core at some point prior to Optimus receiving it, even before the war started after he was first named Prime. We still don't know if it belonged to SZP at this time, but we do know that the Core did not always posses it prior to it giving the Matrix to Optimus.

Then again, your idea makes more sense than this, thus making this real info seem iffy. :lol:

Well, I haven't read Exodus myself, but I have read that the book has a habit of contridicting itself at times, so it's entirely possible. :D I also note that you say that the Altihex was the last known location of the Matrix. ;)

Since I haven't read Exodus, I'm just going to go by these two scenes from WfC and Prime:
War for Cybertron: Optimus becomes a Prime
War for Cybertron: Optimus recieves the Matrix from Primus
Prime: The condensed version.

I'd post them as videoes, but the youtube link doesn't seem to be working for me, at least in the preview version.
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Re: War for Cybertron vs. Prime

Postby Sabrblade » Sat Oct 29, 2011 9:24 am

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sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:funny.

but I'm not sure if you meant that as a joke or not.
A little of both. ;)

Archanubis wrote:Well, I haven't read Exodus myself, but I have read that the book has a habit of contridicting itself at times, so it's entirely possible. :D
Yeah, but this is one of the things was wasn't contradicted. It's said once by Megatron, and then reassured a second time later by someone else. So it was definitely in Altihex at one point.

Archanubis wrote:I also note that you say that the Altihex was the last known location of the Matrix. ;)
Yep. Which means that it wasn't always with the Core. So, if the Core were the one to bestow upon anyone, it must have done so previously. The thing is, though, SZP was pretty much the only Prime to exist between the Thirteen and Optimus, but there's still no signs that he had or ever held the Matrix. It's still entirely possible that he did at one point (and it somehow made it back to the Core), but we can't say for certain.

Archanubis wrote:Since I haven't read Exodus, I'm just going to go by these two scenes from WfC and Prime:
War for Cybertron: Optimus becomes a Prime
War for Cybertron: Optimus recieves the Matrix from Primus
Prime: The condensed version.

I'd post them as videoes, but the youtube link doesn't seem to be working for me, at least in the preview version.
Yeah, but without the book, parts of the whole story are left out. ;)
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Re: War for Cybertron vs. Prime

Postby Archanubis » Sat Oct 29, 2011 3:50 pm

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Archanubis wrote:I also note that you say that the Altihex was the last known location of the Matrix. ;)
Yep. Which means that it wasn't always with the Core. So, if the Core were the one to bestow upon anyone, it must have done so previously. The thing is, though, SZP was pretty much the only Prime to exist between the Thirteen and Optimus, but there's still no signs that he had or ever held the Matrix. It's still entirely possible that he did at one point (and it somehow made it back to the Core), but we can't say for certain.

Are you sure SZP was the only Prime since the Thirteen, or just the only one mentioned until Orion Pax became Optimus Prime? Even given the long lifespans of Cybertronians, I'd think there would be a few other Primes between the Thirteen and ZSP.
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Re: War for Cybertron vs. Prime

Postby Sabrblade » Sat Oct 29, 2011 8:45 pm

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Sabrblade wrote:
Archanubis wrote:I also note that you say that the Altihex was the last known location of the Matrix. ;)
Yep. Which means that it wasn't always with the Core. So, if the Core were the one to bestow upon anyone, it must have done so previously. The thing is, though, SZP was pretty much the only Prime to exist between the Thirteen and Optimus, but there's still no signs that he had or ever held the Matrix. It's still entirely possible that he did at one point (and it somehow made it back to the Core), but we can't say for certain.

Are you sure SZP was the only Prime since the Thirteen, or just the only one mentioned until Orion Pax became Optimus Prime? Even given the long lifespans of Cybertronians, I'd think there would be a few other Primes between the Thirteen and ZSP.
I'm sure. After the Thirteen broke up, it was decided that there would be only one Prime at a time. SZP came to power following the Age of Wrath, which involved him ridding Cybertron from a Quintesson invasion. The Age of Wrath likely came shortly after the Breaking of the Primes since SZP was said to had been Prime since very close to that event. And SZP brought forth the Golden Age and then later established he Caste System after the Golden Age ended. He remained in power throughout this time until Optimus succeeded him. But SZP seems to have been the Prime who succeeded the Thirteen.
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