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sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:funny.

but I'm not sure if you meant that as a joke or not.

A little of both.

Archanubis wrote:Well, I haven't read Exodus myself, but I have read that the book has a habit of contridicting itself at times, so it's entirely possible.

Yeah, but this is one of the things was wasn't contradicted. It's said once by Megatron, and then reassured a second time later by someone else. So it was definitely in Altihex at one point.

Archanubis wrote:I also note that you say that the Altihex was the last known location of the Matrix.

Yep. Which means that it wasn't always with the Core. So, if the Core were the one to bestow upon anyone, it must have done so previously. The thing is, though, SZP was pretty much the only Prime to exist between the Thirteen and Optimus, but there's still no signs that he had or ever held the Matrix. It's still entirely possible that he did at one point (and it somehow made it back to the Core), but we can't say for certain.

Archanubis wrote:Since I haven't read Exodus, I'm just going to go by these two scenes from WfC and Prime:
War for Cybertron: Optimus becomes a Prime
War for Cybertron: Optimus recieves the Matrix from Primus
Prime: The condensed version.

I'd post them as videoes, but the youtube link doesn't seem to be working for me, at least in the preview version.

Yeah, but without the book, parts of the whole story are left out.

Sabrblade wrote:

Archanubis wrote:I also note that you say that the Altihex was the last known location of the Matrix.

Yep. Which means that it wasn't always with the Core. So, if the Core were the one to bestow upon anyone, it must have done so previously. The thing is, though, SZP was pretty much the only Prime to exist between the Thirteen and Optimus, but there's still no signs that he had or ever held the Matrix. It's still entirely possible that he did at one point (and it somehow made it back to the Core), but we can't say for certain.

Are you sure SZP was the only Prime since the Thirteen, or just the only one mentioned until Orion Pax became Optimus Prime? Even given the long lifespans of Cybertronians, I'd think there would be a few other Primes between the Thirteen and ZSP.

Archanubis wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Archanubis wrote:I also note that you say that the Altihex was the last known location of the Matrix.

Yep. Which means that it wasn't always with the Core. So, if the Core were the one to bestow upon anyone, it must have done so previously. The thing is, though, SZP was pretty much the only Prime to exist between the Thirteen and Optimus, but there's still no signs that he had or ever held the Matrix. It's still entirely possible that he did at one point (and it somehow made it back to the Core), but we can't say for certain.

Are you sure SZP was the only Prime since the Thirteen, or just the only one mentioned until Orion Pax became Optimus Prime? Even given the long lifespans of Cybertronians, I'd think there would be a few other Primes between the Thirteen and ZSP.

I'm sure. After the Thirteen broke up, it was decided that there would be only one Prime at a time. SZP came to power following the Age of Wrath, which involved him ridding Cybertron from a Quintesson invasion. The Age of Wrath likely came shortly after the Breaking of the Primes since SZP was said to had been Prime since very close to that event. And SZP brought forth the Golden Age and then later established he Caste System after the Golden Age ended. He remained in power throughout this time until Optimus succeeded him. But SZP seems to have been the Prime who succeeded the Thirteen.