Rodimus Prime wrote:I think the latter movie lines gave us the best Leader Class figures.
And Willy, why isn't this a top 5 list?
He is accused of having visible head syndrome, but he doesn't qualify for that since his head is visible in the design of the on screen character.
I would not. The reason is because you do not speak for everyone. You have not made the official definition (if there is such a thing) for "VHS" (and that abbreviation is just hilarious) and that means I can have my own view on it. And to answer your earlier question, I also would not count Super-Link Roadbuster or Galaxy Convoy, because their heads were visible in the series as well. To me, visible head syndrome or "VHS" means that there is a difference between how the character appears on the screen or on the page and how s/he is in a physical toy form. IF his/her head canNOT be seen in the media, yet it CAN be seen in the toy which represents the specific character of that specific media, then the figure has VHS. I understand that others (like perhaps yourself) may take the word "visible" literally and apply it to ANY figure whose head can be seen plainly in vehicle mode. That's is fine with me, as far as I'm concerned it is your choice to do so. But then I expect at the very least an acknowledgement of my point of view, which I have stated above. UNLESS there is an official Hasbro- and/or Takara-approved definition for the term "visible head syndrome" in which case that's what we all must abide by, agree with it or not, no matter what.william-james88 wrote:Would you agree or no?
This is a very good question. Are toy bios with no previous basis in fiction considered fiction? I know they're official, but until the information contained within the bio is applied in a previously established fiction, wouldn't it be just an accessory to the figure itself? I don't have an opinion on this, I'm just asking. IF the bio itself is considered official fiction, then by my definition, Blast Charge wouldn't have VHS simply because he is representing in 3 dimensional physical form what is printed on a piece of paper as official fiction. So I guess to me it all depends on what came 1st, the toy design or the bio? Our very own version of the-chicken-or-the-egg argument indeed.william-james88 wrote:My next question for you though is something I am not sure of at all. A toy like Beast machines Blast Charge which was only ever made as a toy. His head sticks out of his ass. It is visible in alt mode, but the fiction begins and ends with his toy (his bio). Meaning, this is how the character looks. So, to you, would he suffer from vhs?
Rodimus Prime wrote:This is a very good question. Are toy bios with no previous basis in fiction considered fiction? I know they're official, but until the information contained within the bio is applied in a previously established fiction, wouldn't it be just an accessory to the figure itself? I don't have an opinion on this, I'm just asking. IF the bio itself is considered official fiction, then by my definition, Blast Charge wouldn't have VHS simply because he is representing in 3 dimensional physical form what is printed on a piece of paper as official fiction. So I guess to me it all depends on what came 1st, the toy design or the bio? Our very own version of the-chicken-or-the-egg argument indeed.
And if I seemed harsh in my previous response, I apologize. Just as you, I seek to engage in lively debates regarding our favorite franchise, it livens the place up, and I may even learn a thing or two.
As you can see, the definition itself disqualifies the term from being used, as the visibility of one single body part cannot be considered a "group of symptoms." Unless you think it's acceptable to apply the word due to the repetition of the occurrence with different figures.dictionary wrote:syn·drome
ˈsinˌdrōm/Submit
noun
a group of symptoms that consistently occur together or a condition characterized by a set of associated symptoms
Rodimus Prime wrote:#2: I need to further clarify my view on the subject. The now-faulty (see above) term of "syndrome" referred to the specific figure having a defect. That being a visible head in alt mode. However, it is only a defect if the head wasn't intended to be seen in the character design, and the toy (or its designers, rather) simply couldn't pull it off. Thus the figure is showing a defect in terms of how it's supposed to look/function as opposed to how it actually is. That's why I said that in my opinion, if the character design includes a visible head in alt mode, that means it's okay for the toy to show it as well, and therefore there is no defect, thus no illness or "syndrome." Hopefully that's a bit clearer.
Burn wrote:Let it be known, I murdered Amelie.
Accidentally.
In terms of a visible head, not yet. Perhaps G1 Jetfire, but the toy is nothing like the character model, and the design he was based on allows for the head to be visible in jet mode. So that's a gray area.william-james88 wrote:Rodimus Prime wrote:#2: I need to further clarify my view on the subject. The now-faulty (see above) term of "syndrome" referred to the specific figure having a defect. That being a visible head in alt mode. However, it is only a defect if the head wasn't intended to be seen in the character design, and the toy (or its designers, rather) simply couldn't pull it off. Thus the figure is showing a defect in terms of how it's supposed to look/function as opposed to how it actually is. That's why I said that in my opinion, if the character design includes a visible head in alt mode, that means it's okay for the toy to show it as well, and therefore there is no defect, thus no illness or "syndrome." Hopefully that's a bit clearer.
But then is there a Transformer toy that you are not ok with?
But then why wasn't it hidden in the series, if, as you say, the toy was made 1st then the design copied and put on screen? Couldn't they have covered it up digitally?Because most of these visible heads are planned from the design stage. But they are planned with the designers knowing of their limited framework. What I mean is, I am certain that if the designers could have found a better way to hide Cybertron Optimus' head, they would have.
Rodimus Prime wrote:And Amelie, as far as Fire Convoy is concerned, IMO it all depends on which mode you consider a Leader class. The cab only or the combined mode? Which form do you consider the true form of the character? Is he Optimus with a bunch of armor and cool weapons (a la DW Magnus), or is it Optimus with a smaller bot inside(a la IDW Magnus)?
Burn wrote:Let it be known, I murdered Amelie.
Accidentally.
Amelie wrote:Depends on what we class as "Leader Class", really - its changed a few times over the years.
If this guy counts - he's mine.
RID Optimus Prime has everything - really cool truck mode. Interesting transformation. Accessories coming out the ass that can be configured into all sorts of cool stuff and even combine into a super-mode. AND he's hugely posable.
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