Ho, wish I had seen this sooner.
burning_sirius wrote:For one I was always under the impression that Liege Maximo was the originator of the Decepticons.
In the Marvel comics, yes. Not anywhere else.
burning_sirius wrote:Now, they have the Fallen as the 'creator or originator' of the Decepticons.
In just the movies, yes.
Neither The Fallen nor the Liege Maximo have been given any confirmed ties to the Aligned Decepticons as of yet. The Decepticon movement was started by followers of Megatron.
burning_sirius wrote:I always thought that the Fallen hijacked the legitimate Decepticon movement. According to Grimlock at the end of the G1 Marvel run, Primus used the Decepticons and Autobots as a form of competition so that this conflict would bring out the best in the Transformer race.
What has The Fallen to do with Marvel G1?
robofreak wrote:At this point, the G1 story arc is so mixed and muddled, that I've chosen to piecemeal my own version of the G1 story arc together.
Ermm... personal canons and fanons can get pretty nasty sometimes when collided with canon.
burning_sirius wrote:Possibly, though the Quintesson and Primus origins were explained nearly at the same time period.
There has yet to be a solid retcon of Primus ever existing in the English-language G1 cartoon (the Japanese have and the Beast Era fiction has, but those aren't exactly the same thing as the English-language G1 cartoon).
burning_sirius wrote:I am just disappointed that Maximo does not get any screen time.
Episode 24 of Prime showed most of the Thirteen on screen. One of them was possibly the Liege Maximo.
burning_sirius wrote:Though Furman created both Maximo and the Fallen, Revenge of the Fallen really left a distaste about the Fallen in my mouth.
That movie left a distaste in my mouth, period!
burning_sirius wrote:The whole face of the Fallen = Decepticon symbol is funny since the Decepticon symbol is based on Soundwave's face.
Toy-wise. The fiction (to my knowledge) never made a connection between the
and Soundwave's face. And for The Fallen's face being the source of the
, again, that's just the movies. Even though his Aligned design was described as having a face shaped like the
, it hasn't been shown to have had any such significance in the aligned fiction yet.
burning_sirius wrote:Maximo is legit evil who, from what I can tell, would ally with Primus to defeat Unicron. He is the true constant of evil. The Fallen is the traitor. Why would the Decepticons love Cyberton and be pro-Cyberton if they were a faction descended from the Fallen?
Because The Fallen promised Megatron he'd make Megs a Prime and so Megatron started the Decepticon faction. Plus, it was the name of The Fallen's original resistance army against the other Primes that included the original Seekers and Constructicons. Megatron simply recycled the term. But again, this is only in the movies.
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Liege Maximo only had 2 official appearances and neither revealed much about him.
Not much, true. But enough to get the gist of him.
Shadowman wrote:In G1 cartoon, it started because the Military Goods wanted to pick a fight with the Consumer Goods, eventually becoming the Decepticons and Autobots. In The G2 comics they revealed that it may have been because of Liege Maximo, and then the G2 comics ended. In pretty much every other continuity, especially Aligned, the war and the Decepticons started because Megatron really wanted power.
But didn't the Military Hardware bots who predated Megatron use the term "Decepticon" during the Second Cybertronian War in the cartoon?
Shadowman wrote:Janus Prime wrote:Well, I think we´ll always have our personal canon, the things each of us choose as the "real story". Yes, it´s annoying when you don´t like the current continuity, but nothing really stops you from creating your own.
I never had a personal canon, and I never really saw the need for one. The real story is whatever official sources cite is the real story.
I mostly agree. Though I have thought of some fan stories that I've tried to work into canon stories without contradicting them (with not much success, that is), and have come up with some fan theories to explain some of the continuity errors of some official canons. And, I kinda liek to think of The One as God.
Still, I wholeheartedly accept any fanon ideas of mine as non-canon unofficial concepts of my own creation that hold absolutely no precedence over official canon.
Rodimus Prime wrote:As far as I'm concerned, the G1 comics is the real story. Everything else works around it. This is because it was my first introduction to Transformers and because the writing is very good, especially when Furman took over, as opposed to the cartoon, or even later comics from IDW. WFC and War Within can also be put in front of the G1 comics, it works well enough. Yeah, I know it's not "official" but it's as close to original as it gets. Other stuff, like Prime and Bayverse are extras. I know Prime is working on being hooked up with WFC, and that's fine. We'll see how it continues and what the story is for Fall of Cybertron.
Official canon will and does disagree with you.
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