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by **Janus Prime** » Sun Nov 06, 2011 5:29 pm

Shadowman wrote: it's not a matter of opinion.

Wow... OK, what ever, if that´s YOUR opinion that´s fine. I still think that your opinion is not more valid than mine or anyone else´s just because Hasbro says it is. It doesn´t matter if Hasbro says you´re right about a particular point, your opinion is just as respectful and valid as if Hasbro said otherwise.

News Credits: 1 · by **sto_vo_kor_2000** » Sun Nov 06, 2011 9:32 pm

Sabrblade wrote:Eloquence is bliss, my friend.

it seems so

Shadowman wrote:The problem with fanon is that is means nothing to anyone except the person who made the fanon. To most people, official canon is more valid. That's why it's official.

Its official because its been sanctioned by Hasbro......no other reason.

as for whats its worth to each person.......that depends on their taste,likes, dislikes.

Sabrblade wrote:It is okay to have a fanon, but it is not okay to claim that it completely overrides official canon for everyone.

this

Archanubis wrote:'Course, it doesn't help that Hasbro considers just about every Transformers continuity, from G1 to "Aligned" as canon in some for or another. :-/

thats because you misunderstand the true definition of the word CANON.

its not that Hasbro considers all its continuities as canon, by the definition of the word, everything that has ever officially been sanctioned is INDEED canon.

Shadowman wrote:Except no. Fanon is fan-made, hence why it has "fan" in the name there. Official canon is made by official sources, and is thus, whether or not you consider it as such, the valid one.

Short version: Official sources have higher authority than anything the fans say. There's no two ways about this, and it's not a matter of opinion.

Except,In regards to such a long lived series, the concept of validity and authority are open personal judgment.

News Credits: 2 · by **Shadowman** » Mon Nov 07, 2011 2:29 am

Janus Prime wrote:
Shadowman wrote: it's not a matter of opinion.

Wow... OK, what ever, if that´s YOUR opinion that´s fine. I still think that your opinion is not more valid than mine or anyone else´s just because Hasbro says it is. It doesn´t matter if Hasbro says you´re right about a particular point, your opinion is just as respectful and valid as if Hasbro said otherwise.

Important rule: Whatever the creator says matters, everything else is irrelevant.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Except,In regards to such a long lived series, the concept of validity and authority are open personal judgment.

Nope! Canon is decided by the creators.

Let me put it this way. Say you wrote a book series. Would you really want people coming in and saying what did and did not happen in your series, then ignoring everything you'd say to the contrary? That their opinion of your work was more "valid" than what you actually wrote?

by **RhA** » Mon Nov 07, 2011 8:16 am

Shadowman wrote:
Janus Prime wrote:
Shadowman wrote: it's not a matter of opinion.

Wow... OK, what ever, if that´s YOUR opinion that´s fine. I still think that your opinion is not more valid than mine or anyone else´s just because Hasbro says it is. It doesn´t matter if Hasbro says you´re right about a particular point, your opinion is just as respectful and valid as if Hasbro said otherwise.

Important rule: Whatever the creator says matters, everything else is irrelevant.

Officially irrelevant. You can't decide what's relevant to whom, that's why we can afford fannon. People should be able to make their own cr*p up. Just not pass it off as official.

Eventhough discussions about that can be hilarious.

by **Janus Prime** » Mon Nov 07, 2011 10:01 am

Shadowman wrote:Important rule: Whatever the creator says matters, everything else is irrelevant

What bugs me about this is that that´s your opinion, what YOU think, not a universal truth. You can have your own opinion, just don´t make it a rule for everybody else. To you that´s not even an opinion, is it? well, what you´re saying IS a value judgement, not an empirical fact.

Shadowman wrote:Let me put it this way. Say you wrote a book series. Would you really want people coming in and saying what did and did not happen in your series, then ignoring everything you'd say to the contrary? That their opinion of your work was more "valid" than what you actually wrote?

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I don´t think fanon should be regarded as more valid, but it is just as valid. Besides, like I said before, Transformers lore is a direct result of the interaction between groups of people, it´s not as strict as the work of a single author. It just isn´t.

Answer me this: If Transformers canon is so strict that no one should even try to imagine their own versions of the story, then why does it actually happen? there´s little room for that in Lord of the Rings or, let´s say, Watchmen, the structure of the fiction simply doesn´t allow it so it doesn´t happen. Are you saying Transformers has the same structure as those other fictions?

News Credits: 1 · by **sto_vo_kor_2000** » Mon Nov 07, 2011 2:41 pm

Shadowman wrote:Important rule: Whatever the creator says matters, everything else is irrelevant.

thats no rule, thats your personal opinion of the issue.

and in determining canon, only whats contained within the narrative is canon, no matter what the creator says.

for example, a creator could say in an interview that a character has a twin brother.....but until we see/read of that twin brother in the story its not canon.

Nope! Canon is decided by the creators.

except,we arent talking about who determines canon, but what its worth to some people.

Let me put it this way. Say you wrote a book series. Would you really want people coming in and saying what did and did not happen in your series, then ignoring everything you'd say to the contrary? That their opinion of your work was more "valid" than what you actually wrote?

What I would want isint the issue,

people have a fundamental right to decide validity and authority for themselfs.They can choose to accept or deny what I've written.But they can not dictate my further writings.

News Credits: 1 · by **sto_vo_kor_2000** » Mon Nov 07, 2011 2:42 pm

Janus Prime wrote:Answer me this: If Transformers canon is so strict that no one should even try to imagine their own versions of the story, then why does it actually happen? there´s little room for that in Lord of the Rings or, let´s say, Watchmen, the structure of the fiction simply doesn´t allow it so it doesn´t happen. Are you saying Transformers has the same structure as those other fictions?

I really dont see a difference, its just a matter of ones imagination

News Credits: 2 · by **Shadowman** » Mon Nov 07, 2011 2:49 pm

Janus Prime wrote:
Shadowman wrote:Important rule: Whatever the creator says matters, everything else is irrelevant

What bugs me about this is that that´s your opinion, what YOU think, not a universal truth. You can have your own opinion, just don´t make it a rule for everybody else. To you that´s not even an opinion, is it? well, what you´re saying IS a value judgement, not an empirical fact.

Nope, not my opinion. That's cold hard fact. The creator's word is always more important than that of the fan's.

News Credits: 9 · by **robofreak** » Mon Nov 07, 2011 3:00 pm

Shadowman wrote:Nope, not my opinion. That's cold hard fact. The creator's word is always more important than that of the fan's.

Just to throw something in, sometimes fannon is made cannon.

Hotshot's love of JaAm has now been made cannon with the Universe release. That started as a fanmade joke.

Fan stuff can influence what happens in official cannon, but not all the time.

Just wanted to point that out.

However, most fan stuff is just that. Fan stuff.

News Credits: 1 · by **sto_vo_kor_2000** » Mon Nov 07, 2011 3:09 pm

Shadowman wrote:
Janus Prime wrote:
Shadowman wrote:Important rule: Whatever the creator says matters, everything else is irrelevant

What bugs me about this is that that´s your opinion, what YOU think, not a universal truth. You can have your own opinion, just don´t make it a rule for everybody else. To you that´s not even an opinion, is it? well, what you´re saying IS a value judgement, not an empirical fact.

Nope, not my opinion. That's cold hard fact. The creator's word is always more important than that of the fan's.

It is your opinion.

whats "important" to each of us is measured by our personal tastes.You have no right to tell someone what they think,feel or believe is not as important as that what you think,feel or believe

what the creator says is important to YOU, but may not be to others.

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