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sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Shadowman wrote:

Janus Prime wrote:

Shadowman wrote:Important rule: Whatever the creator says matters, everything else is irrelevant

What bugs me about this is that that´s your opinion, what YOU think, not a universal truth. You can have your own opinion, just don´t make it a rule for everybody else. To you that´s not even an opinion, is it? well, what you´re saying IS a value judgement, not an empirical fact.

Nope, not my opinion. That's cold hard fact. The creator's word is always more important than that of the fan's.

It is your opinion.

whats "important" to each of us is measured by our personal tastes.You have no right to tell someone what they think,feel or believe is not as important as that what you think,feel or believe

what the creator says is important to YOU, but may not be to others.

For once, it's not about what's important to me. It's about what's important to the series itself. Very little, if anything, of what the fans come up with has any sort of impact on the franchise itself. Even robofreak's jaam example is just an in-joke.

Shadowman wrote:For once, it's not about what's important to me. It's about what's important to the series itself. Very little, if anything, of what the fans come up with has any sort of impact on the franchise itself. Even robofreak's jaam example is just an in-joke.

well I agree, not much the fans can come up with , IMPACTS the STORY, but again, whats "IMPORTANT" to each of us is measured by our personal tastes.You have no right to tell someone what they think,feel or believe is not as important as that what you think,feel or believe.

The only TRUE think thats important to the series itself is that the fans buy the merchandise.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Shadowman wrote:For once, it's not about what's important to me. It's about what's important to the series itself. Very little, if anything, of what the fans come up with has any sort of impact on the franchise itself. Even robofreak's jaam example is just an in-joke.

well I agree, not much the fans can come up with , IMPACTS the STORY, but again, whats "IMPORTANT" to each of us is measured by our personal tastes.You have no right to tell someone what they think,feel or believe is not as important as that what you think,feel or believe.

Actually yes I can. As you've been repeatedly pointing out, it's all a matter of personal taste and opinion. And my opinion is that my beliefs are more important to me than yours.

Shadowman wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Shadowman wrote:For once, it's not about what's important to me. It's about what's important to the series itself. Very little, if anything, of what the fans come up with has any sort of impact on the franchise itself. Even robofreak's jaam example is just an in-joke.

well I agree, not much the fans can come up with , IMPACTS the STORY, but again, whats "IMPORTANT" to each of us is measured by our personal tastes.You have no right to tell someone what they think,feel or believe is not as important as that what you think,feel or believe.

Actually yes I can. As you've been repeatedly pointing out, it's all a matter of personal taste and opinion. And my opinion is that my beliefs are more important to me than yours.

Actually No you cant.

You have been posting that your beliefs/ideas are more important as a matter of SOLID FACT, not they are more important to YOU.

Sorry, lost track of quotes.

Actually No you cant.

You have been posting that your beliefs/ideas are more important as a matter of SOLID FACT, not they are more important to YOU.

I agree, he´s contradicting himself now, but we´re making progress, look:


[/quote]Actually yes I can. As you've been repeatedly pointing out, it's all a matter of personal taste and opinion. And my opinion is that my beliefs are more important to me than yours.[/quote]

Yes, you have the right to think that, it makes you an intolerant jerk, but hey! you have every right to belive what ever you want to (I´m so proud you said "more important TO ME" ). But now you´ve finally acknowledged that what you´ve been saying all this time is an opinion ( I wouldn´t be surprised if you deny it in your next comment, I´m so happy this is a written media).

Now, if the simple fact that what Hasbro says is always more important than anything else is NOT a universal truth, then I hope you´ll agree that the same subjectivity applies to the canon itself, making it just as real or unreal as fanon.

Oi oi oi, it always comes down to a debate on opinions. Lets just say that Aligned isn't the universally accepted best of all transformers ever, and that we all respect eachother's individual opinions. Ok? Ok. Now play nice.

A Sto vs. Shadowman discussion. Very interesting.

Though, by all means, keep going guys. I'm really getting in to this.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote::lol:

No seriously, don't stop. This is my entertainment for the evening.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Shadowman wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Shadowman wrote:For once, it's not about what's important to me. It's about what's important to the series itself. Very little, if anything, of what the fans come up with has any sort of impact on the franchise itself. Even robofreak's jaam example is just an in-joke.

well I agree, not much the fans can come up with , IMPACTS the STORY, but again, whats "IMPORTANT" to each of us is measured by our personal tastes.You have no right to tell someone what they think,feel or believe is not as important as that what you think,feel or believe.

Actually yes I can. As you've been repeatedly pointing out, it's all a matter of personal taste and opinion. And my opinion is that my beliefs are more important to me than yours.

Actually No you cant.

You have been posting that your beliefs/ideas are more important as a matter of SOLID FACT, not they are more important to YOU.

That's not exactly what I'm saying here, though I certainly could have worded it better.

No, it's not my opinion that the word of the creator is more important than the word of the fan, and I never said it was my opinion. I was responding to sto saying that I can't tell people their opinions don't matter, or matter less than mine. (And to me, your opinions matter less than mine!)

In the future, I should probably clarify when one point is not related to another.

I could never understand the concept of fanon. It's like watching a movie and pretending you're watching a different movie. What's the point? They wrote that movie so you could watch it as-is, not so you could make up a new story for it. It's like writing a fan-fiction, and then cramming it into the main story. It just doesn't make any sense to me.

Shadowman wrote:I was responding to sto saying that I can't tell people their opinions don't matter, or matter less than mine. (And to me, your opinions matter less than mine!)

what I was trying to say was that "importance" is an issue of personal taste/judgment.

what you feel is important may not be the same as what someone else feels is important.

I could never understand the concept of fanon. It's like watching a movie and pretending you're watching a different movie. What's the point? They wrote that movie so you could watch it as-is, not so you could make up a new story for it. It's like writing a fan-fiction, and then cramming it into the main story. It just doesn't make any sense to me.

to some, whats present to us in the fiction fails to live up to what they feel is the true potential of the story.

some of those people loose interest, other come to accept that the stories arent always good, and others engage in re-writing the story.

I guess its the same mentality that is connected to fasntasy foot ball team games...but I cant say for sure since I know very little about sports.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Shadowman wrote:I was responding to sto saying that I can't tell people their opinions don't matter, or matter less than mine. (And to me, your opinions matter less than mine!)

what I was trying to say was that "importance" is an issue of personal taste/judgment.

what you feel is important may not be the same as what someone else feels is important.

Yeah, pretty much.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

I could never understand the concept of fanon. It's like watching a movie and pretending you're watching a different movie. What's the point? They wrote that movie so you could watch it as-is, not so you could make up a new story for it. It's like writing a fan-fiction, and then cramming it into the main story. It just doesn't make any sense to me.

to some, whats present to us in the fiction fails to live up to what they feel is the true potential of the story.

some of those people loose interest, other come to accept that the stories arent always good, and others engage in re-writing the story.

That makes sense and yet I still can't understand the idea of it.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:I guess its the same mentality that is connected to fasntasy foot ball team games...but I cant say for sure since I know very little about sports.

All I know about fantasy football is that it's Dungeons and Dragons for the guy who beat up the kids that played Dungeons and Dragons.

Shadowman wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Shadowman wrote:I was responding to sto saying that I can't tell people their opinions don't matter, or matter less than mine. (And to me, your opinions matter less than mine!)

what I was trying to say was that "importance" is an issue of personal taste/judgment.

what you feel is important may not be the same as what someone else feels is important.

Yeah, pretty much.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

I could never understand the concept of fanon. It's like watching a movie and pretending you're watching a different movie. What's the point? They wrote that movie so you could watch it as-is, not so you could make up a new story for it. It's like writing a fan-fiction, and then cramming it into the main story. It just doesn't make any sense to me.

to some, whats present to us in the fiction fails to live up to what they feel is the true potential of the story.

some of those people loose interest, other come to accept that the stories arent always good, and others engage in re-writing the story.

That makes sense and yet I still can't understand the idea of it.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:I guess its the same mentality that is connected to fasntasy foot ball team games...but I cant say for sure since I know very little about sports.

All I know about fantasy football is that it's Dungeons and Dragons for the guy who beat up the kids that played Dungeons and Dragons.

Wow, this took a life of its own. A great debate about what is and what isn't. Keep in mind that Hasbro has tried to reconcile nearly everything. The Aligned universe is supposed to be the ultimate hog pog of backgrounds, characters and so on.

I look at Decepticons being military hardware as a sort of 'bonded will' because of Quint influence.

I love this conversation. What a nice debate.