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Christianity. The world's biggest Religion. And only One God. But, certainly, there must've been something before Christianity?

Yes, there was. Hindu, Islam, Judaism (Which are still around), Norse, Greek, and it's remake Roman, Shinto, Buddhism, Confucianism, Rastafari, and MANY more exist and/or still exist.

What I'm saying is, what if Christianity is Wrong? What if the Norse was right, or the Hindu, or even the Greeks? What if Jesus was just a Man? What there were many Gods, instead of One? What would you do if suddenly, Odin, or Horus, or Vishnu pops out of the sky, and tell you what REALLY exists?

Keep in mind, I'm not saying anyone is wrong, I'm saying WHAT IF you're wrong?

Well here's a question for you:

Why is it any concern of your's? Why do you feel a need to make it a priority for you to know what will happen to us if we're wrong? I don't get it.

It's between us and whoever's out there. Not you, us, and whoever.

The thing that really bothers me is everyone tries to disprove our religion, our God, our beliefs, and wants us to convert or leave the religion. Why can't you just let us believe how we want and leave us alone about it? Why not let us deal with it personally instead of sticking your nose in personal business where it doesn't belong?

I don't get it...

I mean I don't get in your face and preach, so why must you come to me and other Christians constantly and try and convert us or run it down our throats? Granted, I know you and people like you, like to lump us Christians all together with people like Jerry Falwell, and Pat Robertson, and so on...but we're not all like that. There *are* openminded Christians who aren't inhuman to the secular people, yet they're persecuted as badly as those mouthpieces who ruin our reputations. That's not fair, and I'm one of those victims. I'm sick of it.

You really want to know about Christianity? You really want answers? Then use that supposed open mind of your's and read a Bible, talk to a Clergyman, attend a service and ask the people, etc. Don't guess and make unfair assumptions and use blanket statements and ideas that affect everyone...including those who've done nothing to provoke you.

And before you say it, long before I became a Christian I had my struggles with beliefs and other systems. I tried looking at other aspects and other systems and realized I was wrong and that Christianity was correct FOR ME. (Get that...FOR ME. I didn't say you (though you're welcome) but FOR ME.) I don't see why that's such a terrible thing. And yes, plenty of people treat us like we've committed a crime because we choose to believe in one God, follow his beliefs, etc. It's ridiculous.

Don't worry about us, mind your own business, and worry about what you're going to do when the end comes and what your God thinks about it. Don't concern yourself with us, it's none of your business.

I'm flat out sick of this, get over yourself.

Autobot032 wrote:Well here's a question for you:

Why is it any concern of your's? Why do you feel a need to make it a priority for you to know what will happen to us if we're wrong? I don't get it.

It's between us and whoever's out there. Not you, us, and whoever.

The thing that really bothers me is everyone tries to disprove our religion, our God, our beliefs, and wants us to convert or leave the religion. Why can't you just let us believe how we want and leave us alone about it? Why not let us deal with it personally instead of sticking your nose in personal business where it doesn't belong?

I don't get it...

I mean I don't get in your face and preach, so why must you come to me and other Christians constantly and try and convert us or run it down our throats? Granted, I know you and people like you, like to lump us Christians all together with people like Jerry Falwell, and Pat Robertson, and so on...but we're not all like that. There *are* openminded Christians who aren't inhuman to the secular people, yet they're persecuted as badly as those mouthpieces who ruin our reputations. That's not fair, and I'm one of those victims. I'm sick of it.

You really want to know about Christianity? You really want answers? Then use that supposed open mind of your's and read a Bible, talk to a Clergyman, attend a service and ask the people, etc. Don't guess and make unfair assumptions and use blanket statements and ideas that affect everyone...including those who've done nothing to provoke you.

And before you say it, long before I became a Christian I had my struggles with beliefs and other systems. I tried looking at other aspects and other systems and realized I was wrong and that Christianity was correct FOR ME. (Get that...FOR ME. I didn't say you (though you're welcome) but FOR ME.) I don't see why that's such a terrible thing. And yes, plenty of people treat us like we've committed a crime because we choose to believe in one God, follow his beliefs, etc. It's ridiculous.

Don't worry about us, mind your own business, and worry about what you're going to do when the end comes and what your God thinks about it. Don't concern yourself with us, it's none of your business.

I'm flat out sick of this, get over yourself.

What do you mean by secular people?
as in me?So i am a secular person because
i do not believe in your convoluted beliefs?

as for being openminded?
i used to be a christian!And reading the bible?i have and it contains evidence of what YOU think is god of being sexist toward woman, and violent.

i came to an important revelation in my life,dont go out on shadowman for using his mind!Go out on me,id be more than happy to oblige.

SuperiumPrime wrote:

Autobot032 wrote:Well here's a question for you:

Why is it any concern of your's? Why do you feel a need to make it a priority for you to know what will happen to us if we're wrong? I don't get it.

It's between us and whoever's out there. Not you, us, and whoever.

The thing that really bothers me is everyone tries to disprove our religion, our God, our beliefs, and wants us to convert or leave the religion. Why can't you just let us believe how we want and leave us alone about it? Why not let us deal with it personally instead of sticking your nose in personal business where it doesn't belong?

I don't get it...

I mean I don't get in your face and preach, so why must you come to me and other Christians constantly and try and convert us or run it down our throats? Granted, I know you and people like you, like to lump us Christians all together with people like Jerry Falwell, and Pat Robertson, and so on...but we're not all like that. There *are* openminded Christians who aren't inhuman to the secular people, yet they're persecuted as badly as those mouthpieces who ruin our reputations. That's not fair, and I'm one of those victims. I'm sick of it.

You really want to know about Christianity? You really want answers? Then use that supposed open mind of your's and read a Bible, talk to a Clergyman, attend a service and ask the people, etc. Don't guess and make unfair assumptions and use blanket statements and ideas that affect everyone...including those who've done nothing to provoke you.

And before you say it, long before I became a Christian I had my struggles with beliefs and other systems. I tried looking at other aspects and other systems and realized I was wrong and that Christianity was correct FOR ME. (Get that...FOR ME. I didn't say you (though you're welcome) but FOR ME.) I don't see why that's such a terrible thing. And yes, plenty of people treat us like we've committed a crime because we choose to believe in one God, follow his beliefs, etc. It's ridiculous.

Don't worry about us, mind your own business, and worry about what you're going to do when the end comes and what your God thinks about it. Don't concern yourself with us, it's none of your business.

I'm flat out sick of this, get over yourself.

What do you mean by secular people?
as in me?So i am a secular person because
i do not believe in your convoluted beliefs?

as for being openminded?
i used to be a christian!And reading the bible?i have and it contains evidence of what YOU think is god of being sexist toward woman, and be violent.

i came to an important revelation in my life,dont go out on shadowman for using his mind!Go out on me,id be more than happy to oblige.

I didn't say Secular beliefs were bad, did I? No. There was nothing to take offense in that part, so I'm not sure why you flew off the handle about that one....

im sorry, but i felt a little sorry for shadowman, hes just wondering, i am all about peace though.

truce?

Then there's the violence. One of the less noticed pieces in Christian History. (Not the actual mythology. This actually happened)

The Spanish Inquisition: In Spain, some time in the 1400s (I can't quite remember), several members of the Church kidnapped, tortured, and even killed many non-Christians, simply to try to convert them.

The Crusades, something attributed Arthurian Legend, is actually a hunt by the Vatican to find and kill several people who disagreed with the Church.

The Salem Witch Trials: Not long after escaping Britain to escape religious persecution, several women were wrongly burned for being "Witches," based on the evidence that several shady girls wouldn't lie. Later, they realized they were full of ****.

well, i dont feel like i should reply,
ill just go into a rant and start offending people

nuff said

SuperiumPrime wrote:im sorry, but i felt a little sorry for shadowman, hes just wondering, i am all about peace though.

truce?

I'm all about peacce and letting bygones be bygones.

Shadowman wrote:Then there's the violence. One of the less noticed pieces in Christian History. (Not the actual mythology. This actually happened)

The Spanish Inquisition: In Spain, some time in the 1400s (I can't quite remember), several members of the Church kidnapped, tortured, and even killed many non-Christians, simply to try to convert them.

The Crusades, something attributed Arthurian Legend, is actually a hunt by the Vatican to find and kill several people who disagreed with the Church.

The Salem Witch Trials: Not long after escaping Britain to escape religious persecution, several women were wrongly burned for being "Witches," based on the evidence that several shady girls wouldn't lie. Later, they realized they were full of ****.

I fully admit there's violence involved and I've never condoned it. I still have no idea what these foul human beings were thinking, other than being mad with power. Sickos to their cores.

I just want to believe in peace and live in peace, and I fully believe you too are entitled to it, regardless of whether or not we agree on who's God and who isn't, etc.

That's why I get so angry. I'm tired of people trying to make me feel like a monster, or saying I'm like Falwell or Robertson because I happen to share the core beliefs.

Granted this was a what if question, but it could lead to trouble (and it seems it already has, which I don't deny having a hand in) and it seems that lately all people want to do is pick apart our religion, our God, etc. Just a constant barrage of it, in the media, on the internet, in person.

I just don't understand...why aren't we allowed to believe and do what we want, how we want?

Autobot032 wrote:

SuperiumPrime wrote:im sorry, but i felt a little sorry for shadowman, hes just wondering, i am all about peace though.

truce?

I'm all about peacce and letting bygones be bygones.

Shadowman wrote:Then there's the violence. One of the less noticed pieces in Christian History. (Not the actual mythology. This actually happened)

The Spanish Inquisition: In Spain, some time in the 1400s (I can't quite remember), several members of the Church kidnapped, tortured, and even killed many non-Christians, simply to try to convert them.

The Crusades, something attributed Arthurian Legend, is actually a hunt by the Vatican to find and kill several people who disagreed with the Church.

The Salem Witch Trials: Not long after escaping Britain to escape religious persecution, several women were wrongly burned for being "Witches," based on the evidence that several shady girls wouldn't lie. Later, they realized they were full of ****.

I fully admit there's violence involved and I've never condoned it. I still have no idea what these foul human beings were thinking, other than being mad with power. Sickos to their cores.

I just want to believe in peace and live in peace, and I fully believe you too are entitled to it, regardless of whether or not we agree on who's God and who isn't, etc.

That's why I get so angry. I'm tired of people trying to make me feel like a monster, or saying I'm like Falwell or Robertson because I happen to share the core beliefs.

Granted this was a what if question, but it could lead to trouble (and it seems it already has, which I don't deny having a hand in) and it seems that lately all people want to do is pick apart our religion, our God, etc. Just a constant barrage of it, in the media, on the internet, in person.

I just don't understand...why aren't we allowed to believe and do what we want, how we want?

well some people of other beliefs
you must understand are attacked by some christians
on that their beliefs are satan influenced and that everyone is going to hell?

whats up with that?

doesnt matter, i dont believe in hell, or satan

just peace

peace be unto you auto!

WHat if christianity was wrong: No biggie, one less source of fanatics.

as to why christians can't be left in peace;

because they meddle constantly with other people's lives on the basis of faith (which by definition isirrational)
for example Homesexuality, Abortion, Education, Politics(which affects everyone). aslong as the reasoning for the POV christians take on thease, or any issue, is faith based, those without faith will see it as reasonless interference in their own lives.

I'm a Christian and quite comfortable with my faith.

Most Eastern religions have many gods; hell, I knew a Hindu soldier who would jokingly "pray to the M16 god" whenever we had a weapons inspection. I asked her about it once, and she told me, "why can't there be an M16 god? We've got gods for everything else!"

Yes, that's an exaggeration, but I really don't see an open-minded Hindu or Buddhist cleric condemning me because I have a god that hasn't been added to their parthenon.

Add in the fact that the Buddhist, Hindu, Taoist, and Confuscist religions have no version of Hell, and you have no reason for me to fear not being an ardent to those religions, other than the desire to not be reincarnated as a dog or something else base in the next life.

However, the contemporary Western religions are the most restrictive of all. All have the clause, "believe this . . . or you will suffer for all eternity in Hell!" That's a big incentive to listen up.

However, Christianity is the most restrictive of the three major religions (the other two being Judaism and Islam, of course.) Christianity is an off-shoot of Judaism, differing from Judaism in dietary laws and the belief that Jesus was the Messiah.

Islam is quite a bit different from both Judaism and Christianity, but the Quran encourages Muslims to count the Jews and Christians as "people of the book." Hence, if I die, and Islam was the right choice, I'll still go to heaven . . . but my reward is not as great as the Muslim's. Still, it's better than going to Hell, which is where I'll go UNLESS I'm a Christian, according to traditional Christian doctrine.

Being a Christian, for many, is a logical step to avoid Hell.

However, that's not a definition of Christianity with which I'm comfortable. I have a hard time believing that a benevolent God would sentence me to an eternity of torture if I lived a pious life and had a few details wrong.

All religions fundamentally come back to the same teachings; be good to each other. Lead a virtuous life. Give charity, besmirch excess. Keep your religion holy, and take a stand for what you believe.

I'm a Christian because that's how I was raised, and it's what I'm comfortable with. It shouldn't limit my learning and understanding; quite the contrary, being a Christian should force me to seek answers about myself, my chosen belief, and how I fit into the world.

So, long story short; I don't fear being wrong, simply because I don't think there's truly a wrong answer.

SuperiumPrime wrote:

Autobot032 wrote:

SuperiumPrime wrote:im sorry, but i felt a little sorry for shadowman, hes just wondering, i am all about peace though.

truce?

I'm all about peacce and letting bygones be bygones.

Shadowman wrote:Then there's the violence. One of the less noticed pieces in Christian History. (Not the actual mythology. This actually happened)

The Spanish Inquisition: In Spain, some time in the 1400s (I can't quite remember), several members of the Church kidnapped, tortured, and even killed many non-Christians, simply to try to convert them.

The Crusades, something attributed Arthurian Legend, is actually a hunt by the Vatican to find and kill several people who disagreed with the Church.

The Salem Witch Trials: Not long after escaping Britain to escape religious persecution, several women were wrongly burned for being "Witches," based on the evidence that several shady girls wouldn't lie. Later, they realized they were full of ****.

I fully admit there's violence involved and I've never condoned it. I still have no idea what these foul human beings were thinking, other than being mad with power. Sickos to their cores.

I just want to believe in peace and live in peace, and I fully believe you too are entitled to it, regardless of whether or not we agree on who's God and who isn't, etc.

That's why I get so angry. I'm tired of people trying to make me feel like a monster, or saying I'm like Falwell or Robertson because I happen to share the core beliefs.

Granted this was a what if question, but it could lead to trouble (and it seems it already has, which I don't deny having a hand in) and it seems that lately all people want to do is pick apart our religion, our God, etc. Just a constant barrage of it, in the media, on the internet, in person.

I just don't understand...why aren't we allowed to believe and do what we want, how we want?

well some people of other beliefs
you must understand are attacked by some christians
on that their beliefs are satan influenced and that everyone is going to hell?

whats up with that?

doesnt matter, i dont believe in hell, or satan

just peace

peace be unto you auto!

Thank you, and the same to you.

I do understand people are attacked by Christians often. I also understand those attackers are so self absorbed and so inconsiderate that they just go in with both barrels blazing and figure "Kill 'em all, let God sort 'em out" or something equally lame. The problem is, everyone (religious or non) believes they're right...to a fault. Then you put a belief system behind it, and the wrong people (I.E. Robertson) leading their "crusade" and you have an instant recipe for disaster. If people were actually allowed to have the own voice, and believe how they want, in peace...I think we'd see a much more evolved society and while not everyone would agree, we'd at least be able to co-exist without provocation.

I talk directly to God, and Christ in my prayers. I don't believe like the Catholics do. (You know, Hail Marys, communion, etc...) I don't believe you have to jump through a bunch of hoops to get to know, and talk with God. That's not how it works. Why they still push those insane, archaic beliefs on people is beyond me.

I also believe it's between me and God, and whoever else and God. They will face for the good and bad, and it's none of my business at all. I will face him for the good and bad and it's nobody else's business either. I'm not sure why people (in general) feel a need to concern themselves with another's personal business (and that's both sides of the issue) and want to control it. It's not the right thing to do, and it's cruel.

I swear, if people did what they want personally, and were left alone about it, there'd be a whole lot less tension, and far more peace between the different sides of the issue.

There's nothing wrong with agreeing to disagree and carrying on with life. Apparently people around the world haven't gotten that memo yet. Might help if they got help for "Head In Ass Syndrome".

Ah well, we (as a whole people) can't fix the world, but perhaps we can make it a tad more pleasant in the interim.

Tammuz wrote:WHat if christianity was wrong: No biggie, one less source of fanatics.

as to why christians can't be left in peace;

because they meddle constantly with other people's lives on the basis of faith (which by definition isirrational)
for example Homesexuality, Abortion, Education, Politics(which affects everyone). aslong as the reasoning for the POV christians take on thease, or any issue, is faith based, those without faith will see it as reasonless interference in their own lives.

No. You don't want Christians to be in peace. You're one of the most militant people I've met when it comes to striking back at Christians. You're just as guilty of being an idiot and closeminded as Robertson is. Neither one of you can pull your heads out of your asses long enough to see that not everyone fits a cookie cutter design. In the battle for who's right and wrong, those people on the sidelines, those people who haven't harmed a soul, who just quietly believe what they want, how they want, get hurt by people like you and Robertson and neither one of you you jerks can figure out why the people are angry with you.

Well it's because both of you open your mouths before thinking, both of you put words in other peoples mouths, both of you speak for others when it's not your place, and both of you are full of hate and spew it any chance you get.

You're no different than Robertson, you're just as closeminded, misguided, and evil as he is. He wants people dead, and deep down so do you. Anyone that will shut up and not go against your point of view is a lemming and you're fine with that.

Screw that, screw him, and screw you.

I'm a Christian (Born Catholic, baptized Catholic). But, I'm not devout nor do I go to church, reason being they're a bunch of money-grubbing fundamentalists, who care more about politics and money than they do about they survival of the religion they supposedly "believe" in.

I also tend to sometimes doubt the Bible and the teachings of the Catholic Church. Which is why I think the Bible is made up of several stories to help you learn life lessons and so on. But, I truly believe that Jesus is the son of God. That's pretty much it.

And there's always that one thing that I hate about Catholicism: indulgences. Sure, it happened hundreds of yeas ago, but I can't let go of it. What they did was disgusting. They sold the love of God to make their own benefit, and that is truly a **** up thing to do. And yeah, they may have "reformed," but that was to win back popularity from the Europeans who'd accepted the teachings of Luther and Calvin.

But some of you may say, "If you don't like Catholicism so much, then why don't you become Protestant?" The answer, too much trouble. I believe in the same concepts both denominations do, so I see no reason to go through all thaat trouble.

And to answer the question. So what? If I died and find out Zeus and Athen ruled the universe, I really wouldn't care. At least I lived my life believing in something.

Autobot032 wrote:
I talk directly to God

and this is very scarey for us faithless, as we can't distinguish between this behaviour and insanity, when this is backed up with an inabilty to reason or think critically, in a person of power or responsibility it's terrorfying.

would you give moral authority to someone who see's invisble pink unicorns everywhere he goes, and beleives the earth is flat? or would you call him a sandwich short of a picnic.

There's the other question: What if Christianity is only HALF right?

Christianity is real, let's pose that scenario. But what if EVERY OTHER deity is also real? And when you die, you get to choose which after life you'd want.

Christian Heaven, Elysium, Valhalla, and whatever else you'd want. You can go anywhere!

Personally, I'd pick Valhalla. Plenty of booze and food, the whole place is just one party every day!

And one more question: What if EVERY religion is wrong? What if there's some deity we haven't thought of yet? A different afterlife, different "Right and Wrong," all that.

That would be wacky.

Tammuz wrote:

Autobot032 wrote:
I talk directly to God

and this is very scarey for us faithless, as we can't distinguish between this behaviour and insanity, when this is backed up with an inabilty to reason or think critically, in a person a person of power or responsibility it's terrorfying.

would you give moral authority to someone who see's invisble pink unicorns everywhere he goes, and beleives the earth is flat? or would you call him a sandwich short of a picnic.

How close-minded. How very, very close-minded. People can't tell if they're talking to God or not, once again, it's a matter of faith. Don't put him down for that.

Salazaar wrote:I'm a Christian (Born Catholic, baptized Catholic). But, I'm not devout nor do I go to church, reason being they're a bunch of money-grubbing fundamentalists, who care more about politics and money than they do about they survival of the religion they supposedly "believe" in.

I also tend to sometimes doubt the Bible and the teachings of the Catholic Church. Which is why I think the Bible is made up of several stories to help you learn life lessons and so on. But, I truly believe that Jesus is the son of God. That's pretty much it.

And there's always that one thing that I hate about Catholicism: indulgences. Sure, it happened hundreds of yeas ago, but I can't let go of it. What they did was disgusting. They sold the love of God to make their own benefit, and that is truly a **** up thing to do. And yeah, they may have "reformed," but that was to win back popularity from the Europeans who'd accepted the teachings of Luther and Calvin.

But some of you may say, "If you don't like Catholicism so much, then why don't you become Protestant?" The answer, too much trouble. I believe in the same concepts both denominations do, so I see no reason to go through all thaat trouble.

And to answer the question. So what? If I died and find out Zeus and Athen ruled the universe, I really wouldn't care. At least I lived my life believing in something.

And that's your right. That's my whole point. No one should be able to take it from you, even if they want to. And past a certain point you should be able to believe how you want, in peace.

You don't have to convert from being Catholic, or anything of that nature. As you said, you believe Christ is the son of God. That's more than a lot of people (I.E. Christian/Catholic, etc) can say. So if they try and step on you or your beliefs, screw 'em. You tell 'em to kiss your ass and to go face God for what they've done, not what you've done.

People need their heads checked.

Shadowman wrote:There's the other question: What if Christianity is only HALF right?

Christianity is real, let's pose that scenario. But what if EVERY OTHER deity is also real? And when you die, you get to choose which after life you'd want.

Christian Heaven, Elysium, Valhalla, and whatever else you'd want. You can go anywhere!

Personally, I'd pick Valhalla. Plenty of booze and food, the whole place is just one party every day!

And one more question: What if EVERY religion is wrong? What if there's some deity we haven't thought of yet? A different afterlife, different "Right and Wrong," all that.

That would be wacky.

You cetainly think outside the box, don't you.

Salazaar wrote:

Tammuz wrote:

Autobot032 wrote:
I talk directly to God

and this is very scarey for us faithless, as we can't distinguish between this behaviour and insanity, when this is backed up with an inabilty to reason or think critically, in a person a person of power or responsibility it's terrorfying.

would you give moral authority to someone who see's invisble pink unicorns everywhere he goes, and beleives the earth is flat? or would you call him a sandwich short of a picnic.

How close-minded. How very, very close-minded. People can't tell if they're talking to God or not, once again, it's a matter of faith. Don't put him down for that.

You can't call someone crazy when they say they talk to God.

You can when God talks back, though.

The kind of person who talks back and forth to God regularly is called a Prophet, and you are not one. And if you are, and you don't preach the word, you are obviously not a very good Prophet.

Shadowman wrote:

Salazaar wrote:

Tammuz wrote:

Autobot032 wrote:
I talk directly to God

and this is very scarey for us faithless, as we can't distinguish between this behaviour and insanity, when this is backed up with an inabilty to reason or think critically, in a person a person of power or responsibility it's terrorfying.

would you give moral authority to someone who see's invisble pink unicorns everywhere he goes, and beleives the earth is flat? or would you call him a sandwich short of a picnic.

How close-minded. How very, very close-minded. People can't tell if they're talking to God or not, once again, it's a matter of faith. Don't put him down for that.

You can't call someone crazy when they say they talk to God.

You can when God talks back, though.

The kind of person who talks back and forth to God regularly is called a Prophet, and you are not one. And if you are, and you don't preach the word, you are obviously not a very good Prophet.

Very well put.

Salazaar wrote:

Tammuz wrote:

Autobot032 wrote:
I talk directly to God

and this is very scarey for us faithless, as we can't distinguish between this behaviour and insanity, when this is backed up with an inabilty to reason or think critically, in a person a person of power or responsibility it's terrorfying.

would you give moral authority to someone who see's invisble pink unicorns everywhere he goes, and beleives the earth is flat? or would you call him a sandwich short of a picnic.

How close-minded. How very, very close-minded. People can't tell if they're talking to God or not, once again, it's a matter of faith. Don't put him down for that.

I'm not. faith is a very bad reason to do anything. it's devoid of reason by definition. there is no possible way he can be sure that he's talking to god, yet no matter the evidence he beleives he is. that is the problem. a guy blew up an abortion clinic becuase he beleived god told him to do it, is that right? was that a good reason to blow up an abortion clinic full of people? I don't think so, a good reason would be be becuase they where killing lots of children and the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, not becuase the voice in my head told me to do it.

reasoning needs to be based on reason not faith, or any insane git can get away with doing anything.

Tammuz wrote: a guy blew up an abortion clinic becuase he beleived god told him to do it

Once again, if God talks back, you have an issue. Also, isn't a little FAITH called Deism based around reason?

Salazaar wrote:

Tammuz wrote:

Autobot032 wrote:
I talk directly to God

and this is very scarey for us faithless, as we can't distinguish between this behaviour and insanity, when this is backed up with an inabilty to reason or think critically, in a person a person of power or responsibility it's terrorfying.

would you give moral authority to someone who see's invisble pink unicorns everywhere he goes, and beleives the earth is flat? or would you call him a sandwich short of a picnic.

How close-minded. How very, very close-minded. People can't tell if they're talking to God or not, once again, it's a matter of faith. Don't put him down for that.

This is why Tammuz disgusts me as a person. He basically calls me insane for believing in God, yet he's clearly showing signs of insanity himself with his unrelenting hatred and malice towards those who wish to believe. I can understand him being angry with God and the idea of God because he doesn't believe, or whatever. That's his right. I don't agree with it, but it's his right. I can't understand him going after someone like me, or let's say Mother Teresa who was a woman of God and gave 100% of herself completely to the people, and not once thought cruelly of those she helped, nor did she believe their lives were crap due to some sort of punishment from God. He'd drag her into the street and beat God out of her (or me) if he could, because he's just as insane as Robertson. (And yes I like to lump him in with Robertson repeatedly, because they're both whack-a-loons with an insane vendetta, for no real reason.)

You have no good points Tammuz, there's no rationale behind it, just inane (and insane) random ramblings of hatred and anger.

Tammuz, people like you say Christians promote a climate of violence, yet your ramblings clearly show that if you could, you'd do what you think is right to take our beliefs away and persecute us. You scare me, you frighten me to my core, because people like you create people like Hitler and Stalin.

And that attitude of your's goes well beyond a religious difference, you're scary in general. When this crusade of your's is over, what will it be next? Because people say the sky is blue, and you want it to be purple? When will you ever just say "You know what? It's just not worth it. I think he/she is an idiot. Let them deal with it, I ain't gonna get involved. It's not worth my health to let it get to me like that."? When? And yeah, I know you're going to say I'm a hypocrite and should do the same. Well, you just have to stoke the fires and push and prod until people can't take it anymore. You have the right to speak and be heard, but there are times you should just shut up and let things go. I don't always open my mouth, and it's something you should consider doing yourself.

I could say plenty more and be a bigger problem, but I find no need for it. You just bring the worst out in me, because you're an example of one of the worst kinds of people.

Hateful.

Salazaar wrote:

Tammuz wrote: a guy blew up an abortion clinic becuase he beleived god told him to do it

Once again, if God talks back, you have an issue. Also, isn't a little FAITH called Deism based around reason?

Also, Atheism takes as much faith as being a Devout Christian.

And people aren't crazy for hating organized religion, people are crazy for hating because of organized religion.