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What if,Josh Duhamel,replaced shia,as the main star in the TF 4,5 & so forth TF movies.

Postby dinogeist » Sun Jan 22, 2012 7:01 pm

What if,Josh Duhamel,replaced shia,as the main star in the TF 4,5 & so forth TF movies.

Would anyone here care or mind?

would it be a good or bad move?

Instead of involving a civilian cast & making the human cast shorter/less in the TF 4,5 & So forth movie. how about just focusing on Josh Duhamel & his military crew.

Less of a human cast would involve giving the robots more screen time,more dialogue lines,more story/arcs/plots.

Personally,I think Josh Duhamel is a very talented man & he'd do a better job than shia as the main human star of the TF 4,5 & so forth live action movies.

In the 2007 TF Movie,the Josh duhamel/Lenox had a wife & baby. so the wife & baby can get added into the TF 4,5 & so forth TF live action movies.

IMHO,Shia la bouf's,Sam character has run it's course. their really isn't much for him to do in these TF 4,5 & So forth TF live action movies. Sam seemed to get in the way & have no real purpose in the TF 3 movie.

FWIW,What would shia la bouf's,Sam character do & learn in the TF 4,5 & so forth TF live action movies. does anyone really want to see Sam do & learn the following lessons in TF 4,5 & so forth like as follows: (1) get married,beome the "ULTIMATE" man. (2) Have a baby & be the "mega" man. (3)first day his kid goes to school.(4)get old & get his social security benefits & look back on his past achievements.

Personally,the worst part about shia la bouf's,sam character doing & learning stuff in these TF live action movies. is that sometimes it mirrors TF plots/stories/persona's. Which IMHO,Always comes off very cheesy,corny & forced.

Funny scenarios,of TF stuff that mirrors sam's life stuff in TF 4,5,6 & so forth.

(1)Optimus: "I remember the day,I first got married to Elita-one. Before that I was a boy,then I became a man & got handed the matrix of leadership.

(2)Optimus: "I remember the day bumblebee was born,he didn't say much,he just did a lot of beeping & honking."

(3)Optimus: "I remember when bumblebee first went to school,at iacon,he was so scarred & nervous,he cried/beeped the whole day.

(4)Optimus: "Remember when we were young,ah,the good o'l days,i use to love ripping off decepticons faces in battle. C'mon sam lets race lets down the ramp in our wheel chairs at the old age home." "hopefully my son rodimus is doing a decent job as the autobot supreme leader." shia: "hopefully my son,daniel isn't getting in the way,like I did back in the day."
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Re: What if,Josh Duhamel,replaced shia,as the main star in the TF 4,5 & so forth TF movies.

Postby SlyTF1 » Sun Jan 22, 2012 7:31 pm

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I wouldn't care...but what the hell happened to Lennox's wife and daughter from the first movie!? Everyone just disappears!
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Re: What if,Josh Duhamel,replaced shia,as the main star in the TF 4,5 & so forth TF movies.

Postby dinogeist » Sun Jan 22, 2012 7:37 pm

SlyTF1 wrote:but what the hell happened to Lennox's wife and daughter from the first movie!? Everyone just disappears!


Personally,I call it bad story writting/telling.

In the TF 2007 movie,some of the army/military/whatever guys had wives & family. yet in the DOTM movie,some of those army/military/whatever guys were living in shacks/hotels/whatever,without their familes. they were retired & all the army guys were hanging out/living with each other,minus their wives & kids & parents.
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Re: What if,Josh Duhamel,replaced shia,as the main star in the TF 4,5 & so forth TF movies.

Postby 5150 Cruiser » Mon Jan 23, 2012 12:46 am

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dinogeist wrote:
SlyTF1 wrote:but what the hell happened to Lennox's wife and daughter from the first movie!? Everyone just disappears!


Personally,I call it bad story writting/telling.

In the TF 2007 movie,some of the army/military/whatever guys had wives & family. yet in the DOTM movie,some of those army/military/whatever guys were living in shacks/hotels/whatever,without their familes. they were retired & all the army guys were hanging out/living with each other,minus their wives & kids & parents.


No it isn't bad story telling as the wear abouts of their familes didn't have any impact of the story. And none of them lived in shacks. They were houses and apartments.
Anyways I can hear all the bitching and moaning if they show the familes.

"Oh man, thats just more human time that could have gone to the TF's!!" haha, J/K. But really, the fact that they weren't meantioned again had no effect on the story what so ever.
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Re: What if,Josh Duhamel,replaced shia,as the main star in the TF 4,5 & so forth TF movies.

Postby Rodimus Prime » Mon Jan 23, 2012 8:18 am

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Your shitty grammar hurts my eyes...

Anyway, I like the Lennox character, I wouldn't mind him being the main character. By the 3rd film, Sam was becoming annoying to me. The new movies could have a core main plot about Lennox and Optimus being good friends against both the Decepticons and human government bureaucracy. Of course, the Decepticons (led by new leaders such as Thunderwing, Straxus and Jhiaxus, maybe Overlord) would still be the villains.
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Re: What if,Josh Duhamel,replaced shia,as the main star in the TF 4,5 & so forth TF movies.

Postby Sideswipe7 » Mon Jan 23, 2012 10:12 am

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Lennox as the starring character would be great, he knows the autobots well and have a deep bond with them. I can't see Sam continue in TF4 and 5 because that will be to much out of his character joinning the autobots in battle every time. The franchise could have a decent story if it was centered about Lennox, he's cool and agile.
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Re: What if,Josh Duhamel,replaced shia,as the main star in the TF 4,5 & so forth TF movies.

Postby Skywarp64 » Mon Jan 23, 2012 4:28 pm

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Rodimus Prime wrote:(led by new leaders such as Thunderwing, Straxus and Jhiaxus, maybe Overlord)


I don't know about anyone else, but I'm not ready to desert Megatron just yet.

That's right, I'm ready for Galvy.
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Re: What if,Josh Duhamel,replaced shia,as the main star in the TF 4,5 & so forth TF movies.

Postby Burn » Mon Jan 23, 2012 6:10 pm

Rodimus Prime wrote:Your shitty grammar hurts my eyes...

Please behave yourself.
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Re: What if,Josh Duhamel,replaced shia,as the main star in the TF 4,5 & so forth TF movies.

Postby Rodimus Prime » Tue Jan 24, 2012 7:45 am

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Burn wrote:
Rodimus Prime wrote:Your shitty grammar hurts my eyes...

Please behave yourself.


Too direct? My apologies.

As for Galvatron, it would have been perfect for him to come back in RoTF. I think we're kind of past the entire Megatron character and his reincarnations. In DotM, Bay made it a clear point that Megatron was utterly and totally destroyed. The only way he could come back was if any Decepticons still loyal to him somehow managed to take the Matrix from Prime and used it to revive him, but even then it might not work as Prime hacked his head in half, destroying whatever was left of his already malfunctioning cerebral circuits. There are no shards of the Cube left. It could happen, but it would require another strong leader of the Decepticons, such as the ones I mentioned before. I would like to see Cyclonus, but only if his personality is more like the insane Armada version, not the stoic G1, even if I like that alt mode better...
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Re: What if,Josh Duhamel,replaced shia,as the main star in the TF 4,5 & so forth TF movies.

Postby At0mic Cav3man » Fri Feb 24, 2012 10:18 pm

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If we're gonna end up stuck with Bay for another three movies, I'd LOVE to see Lennox take over as the new main human character. He's far less annoying than Sam, and he already has a built in relationship with the Autobots. The NEST team was the human part of the first three movies that I actually enjoyed. Heck, I even liked Epps, and I generally don't like Tyrese much in anything. It's entirely possible that The Beef was just so annoying that he made the other humans in the movie look good.
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Re: What if,Josh Duhamel,replaced shia,as the main star in the TF 4,5 & so forth TF movies.

Postby Fast_Magma » Sun Feb 26, 2012 10:05 pm

I believe Josh Duhamel would be a better star in the TF live action films if he was the main star NOT Shia LeBouf. Shia is a big douche.
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Re: What if,Josh Duhamel,replaced shia,as the main star in the TF 4,5 & so forth TF movies.

Postby KingEmperor » Mon Feb 27, 2012 7:03 am

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Fast_Magma wrote:I believe Josh Duhamel would be a better star in the TF live action films if he was the main star NOT Shia LeBouf. Shia is a big douche.

Haha. It's because when it all hits the fan in the movie, only one of these actors don't overact.
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Re: What if,Josh Duhamel,replaced shia,as the main star in the TF 4,5 & so forth TF movies.

Postby ReDPATH » Wed Feb 29, 2012 4:47 pm

Shia/Sam was fine for the first two movies. It was about a kid and his car which could have represented any kid in that situation for the first movie. For the second movie it was mostly about his relationship with Mikeala which further bonded after the battle in Egypt along with the Decepticons need to acquire him for the harvester.

That should have been the end for Shia/Sam as it was the end for Megan/Mikeala AND AND it would have been a great ending for us to believe they stuck together instead of splitting up by the third movie due to unprofessional drama on both sides.

Sam's character along with his parents and the new chick Rosie/Carly served very little purpose at all in the 3rd film. By now the Decepticons shouldn't have given a shit one way or another about Sam Witwicky and his surrounding life. They should only care about destroying the planet/autobots and enslaving humans to rebuild cybertron.

The first half of DOTM really demonstrated how unneeded and/or awkward it was for Shia/Sam to return again.

The good news is I think he's done with the franchise unless Spielberg forces him back into it if Bay ends up leaning that way.

It still so very early in the process. It could go any number of ways.
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Re: What if,Josh Duhamel,replaced shia,as the main star in the TF 4,5 & so forth TF movies.

Postby SlyTF1 » Wed Feb 29, 2012 4:58 pm

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ReDPATH wrote:Shia/Sam was fine for the first two movies. It was about a kid and his car which could have represented any kid in that situation for the first movie. For the second movie it was mostly about his relationship with Mikeala which further bonded after the battle in Egypt along with the Decepticons need to acquire him for the harvester.

That should have been the end for Shia/Sam as it was the end for Megan/Mikeala AND AND it would have been a great ending for us to believe they stuck together instead of splitting up by the third movie due to unprofessional drama on both sides.

Sam's character along with his parents and the new chick Rosie/Carly served very little purpose at all in the 3rd film. By now the Decepticons shouldn't have given a shit one way or another about Sam Witwicky and his surrounding life. They should only care about destroying the planet/autobots and enslaving humans to rebuild cybertron.

The first half of DOTM really demonstrated how unneeded and/or awkward it was for Shia/Sam to return again.

The good news is I think he's done with the franchise unless Spielberg forces him back into it if Bay ends up leaning that way.

It still so very early in the process. It could go any number of ways.


I agree Sam was pretty pointless in DOTM. If not for him, The Fallen would have destroyed the solar system in ROTF. Then in DOTM, his role was reduced to absolute dust. Carly was the only human who did anything. She talked Megatron into saving Prime's ass...then getting his ass kicked. Whenever I watch DOTM, I always skip his scenes and skip straight to the Autobots and Decepticons. There is no difference.
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Re: What if,Josh Duhamel,replaced shia,as the main star in the TF 4,5 & so forth TF movies.

Postby ReDPATH » Wed Feb 29, 2012 7:21 pm

Yep for me it was appropriate I suppose for Sam to end with the last entry of the original trilogy but the true end for him should have been the end with ROTF with him and Mikeala staying together and consequently being written out of the series.

That would have allowed them to work with Josh, Tyrese and John exclusively. I would have liked to see Jon Voight's character return from the first film as well. I always thought he gave a steady, serviceable performance in TF 2007. AND AND if they REALLLY needed that 'hot chick' again they could have just added the other british chick from the original though it wouldn't make much sense which is why I suppose her, Voight and the black hacker guy from the original didn't come back.
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Re: What if,Josh Duhamel,replaced shia,as the main star in the TF 4,5 & so forth TF movies.

Postby Spleenzorio » Fri Mar 02, 2012 1:05 am

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I guess it would work, although it's Sam's "destiny" to help the Autobots...... how would they just rule him out all of a sudden?
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Re: What if,Josh Duhamel,replaced shia,as the main star in the TF 4,5 & so forth TF movies.

Postby Rodimus Prime » Fri Mar 16, 2012 6:45 pm

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One thing they did in the trilogy is keep promoting Lennox. So if that trait stays, he'll be President by the end of the 2nd trilogy. (IF there will be 3 more.)
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