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Website · by **RK_Striker_JK_5** » Tue Feb 22, 2011 4:56 pm

The biggest problem with RID Magnus is his legs are a bit too long, but he can combine well with Prime and his trailer can be configured in multiple ways.

And ROTF Prime's ultra-hard and frustrating transformation puts it below MP Prime, who looks like he stepped off the TV screen and isn't frustrating to transform.

News Credits: 35 · by **Goldbug794** » Tue Feb 22, 2011 6:49 pm

Don't know if I can choose 1. But I'm a big fan of the classics line at the moment. All the classics figures I have have great articulation, they look fantastic in both modes, and a couple ingenius ideas on how to get things in (bumblebee's jetpack turns into a jet ski on a trailer, GENIUS, but I do wish his feet weren't so klunky).

by **Trigaba** » Tue Sep 04, 2012 3:35 pm

Animated Prowl

Motorcycle mode is almost completely free of kibble from every angle, only the fingertips are visible from the rear, that's it. Robot mode is also extremely free of kibble, where the usual motorcycle bots have nose blocks that become hunchback growths or wheels that become extra appendages, all of those elements have been integrated cleanly and beautifully into robot mode. The only thing that can even be construed as kibble are the back fins, and even those flow nicely.

This flows right into the posability, this being one of the most posable bots ever made. Not only is he all ball joints, but the side effect of the wheel integration is that his knees are double-jointed, making him one of the few transformers that can crouch.

With perks like show accuracy and little extras like his ninja star hubcaps, I would qualify Animated Prowl as not just the best motorcycle tranformer ever designed, but one of the best transformer designs ever.

(Yes, MP Prime is a much more engenious design and transformation, but this is one of the few bots whose posability rivals MP Prime.)

News Credits: 6 · by **TulioDude** » Tue Sep 04, 2012 4:34 pm

Leader Class Optimus :michaelbay:

alldarker wrote:This of course also applies to the live action movie Transformers toys, with RotF Optimus as the 'prime' example of taking screen imaginations to a relatively small scale toy and recreating it almost perfectly. Same goes for a lot of the other movie line toys, of course: I don't own RotF OP myself but I do enjoy the intricacies of Ice Cream Mudflap and Skids, Bumblebee and Sideswipe.

This.These guy get overlooked too much.
ROTF Optimus is only scary the first time,once you get the hang of it,is alot easier.

News Credits: 95 · by **-Kanrabat-** » Tue Sep 04, 2012 9:00 pm

icenemesis wrote:Out of curiosity what toy do you think has the best design and transformation. No bashing on movie, animated or unicron trilogy please.

I just HATE when people ask what is the "best" something. There's too many variables to consider, most of them being personal tastes.

News Credits: 2 · by **Nemesis Destron** » Tue Sep 04, 2012 11:04 pm

Kibble wrote:
icenemesis wrote:Out of curiosity what toy do you think has the best design and transformation. No bashing on movie, animated or unicron trilogy please.

Can we still bash Beast Wars?

News Credits: 2 · by **Banjo-Tron** » Wed Sep 05, 2012 1:56 am

Why are people reacting to this thread with horror? Yes it is subjective but I'm sure that the OP knows that and isn't trying to start WWIII. Opinions are like arseholes - everyone has one. Let's embrace that and move on

Anyway without further ado, here are my bestest ones.

Supreme: Armada Unicron - it's Unicron, nuff said.
Ultra: Masterpiece Grimlock - Simplistic transformation, awesome aesthetics
Voyager: Cybertron Vector Prime - Beautifully detailed, well proportioned, badass
Deluxe: 'Battle in Space' Cyclonus - Superb from pointy ears to toe
Scout: ROTF Air Raid - a really neat, poseable figure
Legends: Perfect Effect Reflector - perfect being the operative word

by **Rushie** » Wed Sep 05, 2012 3:41 am

I'm surprised nobody has mentioned Primus yet. He's superior to Unicron in alt-mode, transformation scheme (love that key system) and robot detaling. Sure, the character was designed as a toy and hasn't existed for as long as Unicron, but the figure is just incredible. His Cybertron mode also manages to fit in any universe you'd like, from G1 all the way to Aligned.

News Credits: 10 · by **gavinfuzzy** » Wed Sep 05, 2012 4:25 am

Buster Prime, or the ROTF Optimus mold.

IMO, it seriously must have taken alot of work to get it that accurate to the movie in both modes. Plus, buster has great paint, down to the pinstriping on the flames. I cant be 100% sure, but it could very well be the TF with the most paint apps. The whole body is silver paint!

:lol:

by **RAcast** » Wed Sep 05, 2012 7:51 am

gavinfuzzy wrote:Buster Prime, or the ROTF Optimus mold.

IMO, it seriously must have taken alot of work to get it that accurate to the movie in both modes. Plus, buster has great paint, down to the pinstriping on the flames. I cant be 100% sure, but it could very well be the TF with the most paint apps. The whole body is silver paint!

HA Jazz is also slathered in silver paint.

For me, based on my collection,

Leader- Rotf Optimus Prime for all of the Previously mentioned reasons
//honorable mention to Beast Machines Ultra Jetstorm, he's great on both modes, his geared gimmickry is superb (and awesome!) and he just looks really good overall, if not totally screen accurate.

Voyager- this one is tougher, but I think I have to give HA Jazz the edge over the original Optimus Primal. Primal is objectively pretty great, but a lot of love(and paint) went into Jazz's design, and his joints are top notch.

Deluxe- tie between Generations Drift and Warpath. They're both awesome in both modes, and are just designed really nicely. Drift has swords, swords man! And Warpath was one of my favorite toys when I was a kid, it's such a great update of the character.

Scout- Easily, Rotf Breacher. I love his modes, transformation, and I immediately fell in love with his head sculpt. His only real flaw are the chunks of arm kibble, but that's completely ignorable.

Legends- Megatron loses points for being difficult to transform, Cybertron Jetfire is pretty cool, but his articulation leaves you wanting a bit more... I'd have to give it to Prime cyber verse Cliffjumper. I really like this mold, it's so well articulated for the size class, and it just looks good.

News Credits: 6 · by **BeastProwl** » Wed Sep 05, 2012 8:21 am

Battle in Space Cyclonus (Or any other version of this mold)

Great alt mode
Kibble free bot mode
Awesome articulation
Genius transformation
Wonderful paint job
Awesome light piping
Targetmaster

Can he get any better?

News Credits: 2 · by **Banjo-Tron** » Wed Sep 05, 2012 8:51 am

BeastProwl wrote:Battle in Space Cyclonus (Or any other version of this mold)

Great alt mode
Kibble free bot mode
Awesome articulation
Genius transformation
Wonderful paint job
Awesome light piping
Targetmaster

Can he get any better?

Hopefully, I am painting his Shapeways gun soon. I much prefer the original gun he had as opposed to Nightstick. Cyclonus is my favourite deluxe as well.

News Credits: 10 · by **gavinfuzzy** » Wed Sep 05, 2012 10:09 am

Hmm... Lets do a personal opinion on every size then. :lol:

Leader: ROTF Prime, Cybertron prime is a close 2nd...

Alternators: Jaguar Ravage. Yep, going with the only animal one.

Ultra/HA : I don't own alot... I'll say HA Jazz/Barricade.

Voyager: I would like to say HFTD Prime, but that's the same as the leader... So, I;ll go with 1st Edition Optimus. Yep, there are many great voyagers out there, but this one is my favorite in terms of mold and look/design.

Deluxe: Alot from the classics line were great. Drift, Jazz, Tracks... But I'm going with the most repaint one of them all. Starscream. IMO this thing really looks like it's G1 self, and looks almost like a mini-MP.

Scout: HFTD Breacher or the Energon Bruticus Helicopter. Something about that vortex-guy is just great. Breacher wins all scouts in terms of design though, IMO. Windcharger is amazing too, but I was a lil disappointed in the transformation.

Cyberverse: People collect these? :lol:

Okay, DOTM Guzzel? Maybe...

Well, that was a long post. :lol:

News Credits: 9 · by **Mykltron** » Thu Sep 06, 2012 8:10 am

First Edition TFP Optimus and RotF voyager Optimus.

Robot modes are amazingly accurate to the animation, truck modes are very realistic with very few giveaways that they're Transformers. Poseability is amazing. Sword(s) AND gun(s).

Why did I pick voyager RotF Optimus over the leader? He comes with swords and guns where the leader has just swords, the voyager's blades dont' get in the way as much and are easyish to remove and he has better articulation. The leader has limited ankles and no real thigh rotation due to an internal limiter (which is easily removed if you take his legs apart).

News Credits: 9 · by **Mykltron** » Thu Sep 06, 2012 8:17 am

BeastProwl wrote:Battle in Space Cyclonus (Or any other version of this mold)

Great alt mode
Kibble free bot mode
Awesome articulation
Genius transformation
Wonderful paint job
Awesome light piping
Targetmaster

Can he get any better?

He could have had a bicep swivel, and a ball joint neck wouldn't hurt.

News Credits: 95 · by **-Kanrabat-** » Sat Sep 08, 2012 2:09 am

All right, might as well play along.

For me, a PERFECT Transformers is one that is great looking in all it's modes, is fun and easy to transform without any partforming (weapons dont count) and it dont have parts flying everywhere during transformations. All the Transformers I'm going to name here made me go "wow" and dont have a single serious flaw. Buy them now.
In no particular order:

Alternators Skids

Voyager Animated Bulkhead

TF Prime first Edition Deluxe Megatron

Armada Tidawave

TF Prime RiD Deluxe Wheeljack

TF Prime Cyberverse Legion Cliffjumper

Animated Deluxe Oilslick

RtS Voyager Lugnut

HftD Leader Starscream

G1 Optimus Prime with trailer

G2 Optimus Prime with trailer

Leader Energon Megatron

Marvel Crossover Warmachine (car)

DotM Bumblebee

Alternator Rodimus

HftD Human Alliance Jazz

Special exception: Best partformer ever, God Ginrai A.K.A Powermaster Optimus Prime with Apex Armor.

Over and out.

by **daniel77** » Sat Sep 08, 2012 8:09 am

1. Masterpiece Megatron: although plastic quality is so bad, since we are talking about design only, it's on top of my list. He's still the most complex in terms of transformation in my mind.
2. ROTF leader OP, hands down, movie accurate bot and alt modes, complex transformation.
3. Masterpiece OP, both MP1 and MP10. Absolutely love them, and they are durable!

News Credits: 1 · by **RhA** » Sat Sep 08, 2012 9:55 am

United Megatron Cybertron mode.

Why?

Well, he's big and has a big gun (haha), a simple transformation and even gets an ajusted alt mode. The robot mode is solid as a rock and is brimming with detail. What puts him above his Hasbro counterpart is his paintscheme. Very GEEWUN and the metallic red is just fantastic.

His robotmode is very poseable, ankles, big, stable feet. Good articulation in his arms and elbows and he can carry his gun on both arms. His knees bend alsmost 180 degrees and he completely lacks balljoints.

That, people, is a solid deluxe.

News Credits: 4 · by **freaky777** » Sat Sep 08, 2012 8:51 pm

Mykltron wrote:First Edition TFP Optimus and RotF voyager Optimus.

Robot modes are amazingly accurate to the animation, truck modes are very realistic with very few giveaways that they're Transformers. Poseability is amazing. Sword(s) AND gun(s).

Why did I pick voyager RotF Optimus over the leader? He comes with swords and guns where the leader has just swords, the voyager's blades dont' get in the way as much and are easyish to remove and he has better articulation. The leader has limited ankles and no real thigh rotation due to an internal limiter (which is easily removed if you take his legs apart).

You mean HFTD OP right? ROTF OP is the repaint from the first movie line.

For me I am currently in love with RID Arcee, especially now that I have the Arcee sword with her, she looks really cool just posing.

by **Dean ML** » Sat Sep 08, 2012 10:04 pm

RotF Leader Prime. It amazes me that even his back kibble is model accurate (though I often see it mistransformed, like it is out of the box, along with his ankle wheels and calf panels). Anothing thing that I love about the figure is that he has pieces and panels that overlap simply for visual depth, like the panels on the back and insides of his calves. There is nothing lazy or phoned in about this mold.

HftD Starscream is almost as good, but OP trumps him in having accurate back kibble.

Masterpiece Grimlock, Rodimus Prime (the Takara release), and the new MP Prime mold all look perfect to me (reported quality issues aside). I don't own any of them but it's very tempting.