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by **chivesbot20** » Wed Aug 06, 2014 1:53 pm

Oh and war for cybertron and fall of cybertron ties with G1 and beast wars

News Credits: 251 · by **Mindmaster** » Wed Aug 06, 2014 7:17 pm

chivesbot20 wrote:Oh and war for cybertron and fall of cybertron ties with G1 and beast wars

Actually, both War for Cybertron and Fall of Cybertron are not part of the Generation One continuity family, but rather share the same family as Prime. It's not quite airtight, but it is what it is.

More can be read here: http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Aligned_continuity_family

News Credits: 1 · by **sto_vo_kor_2000** » Wed Aug 06, 2014 8:45 pm

chivesbot20 wrote:Oh and war for cybertron and fall of cybertron ties with G1 and beast wars

sorry, but thats a big NOPE

by **RSDADDIMUS2** » Wed Aug 06, 2014 9:03 pm

chivesbot20 wrote:Oh and war for cybertron and fall of cybertron ties with G1 and beast wars

Unfortunately,it's not.I think that's what the gamemakers were going for,but Hasbro aligned it with Prime. 8-}

News Credits: 1 · by **sto_vo_kor_2000** » Wed Aug 06, 2014 9:45 pm

RSDADDIMUS2 wrote:
chivesbot20 wrote:Oh and war for cybertron and fall of cybertron ties with G1 and beast wars

Unfortunately,it's not.I think that's what the gamemakers were going for,but Hasbro aligned it with Prime.

I can agree, they wanted a "g1" feel.
But useing characters not created till they came to earth put them outside any pre-existing G1 continuity.

it could have been a new g1 continuity, like IDW if they wanted it to be.

News Credits: 2 · by **xyl360** » Wed Aug 06, 2014 10:28 pm

My favorite must be G1/Beast Wars (and yeah, Beast Machines too as it has its merits even though I take issue with certain aspects of it but at least it wraps things up for the continuity well enough). Second would have to be the video games. The stories are great and getting to actually take part in them rather than just observing (reading, watching etc., i.e. comics, TV shows and movies) makes a big difference and helps you to really care about what's going on and the fates of the characters involved.

News Credits: 435 · by **Sabrblade** » Wed Aug 06, 2014 10:46 pm

Honestly, Beast Machines is the most highbrow and most tightly-written series we've ever gotten. From start to finish, it feels like the writers knew exactly what they were doing going into it with very little of anything feeling like it was forced in at the 11th hour (there are traces of such things in there, but it's exceedingly minor). It took its audience seriously and engaged us on an intellectual and philosophical level (You know, for kids!

), asking and exploring big questions and high-minded concepts that no other series (let alone other kids cartoons of the time) were willing to ask and explore. It dug deep into the soil of the lore to plant the seeds of its own mythos to add to all that came before. It took risks and pushed itself to show just how far it could go with its potential, revolutionizing the brand's mythology and forever changing it for years to come.

News Credits: 1 · by **sto_vo_kor_2000** » Thu Aug 07, 2014 2:14 am

Sabrblade wrote:Honestly, Beast Machines is the most highbrow and most tightly-written series we've ever gotten. From start to finish, it feels like the writers knew exactly what they were doing going into it with very little of anything feeling like it was forced in at the 11th hour (there are traces of such things in there, but it's exceedingly minor). It took its audience seriously and engaged us on an intellectual and philosophical level (You know, for kids! ), asking and exploring big questions and high-minded concepts that no other series (let alone other kids cartoons of the time) were will to ask and explore. It dug deep into the soil of the lore to plant the seeds of its own mythos to add to all that came before. It took risks and pushed itself to show just how far it could go with its potential, revolutionizing the brand's mythology and forever changing it for years to come.

News Credits: 293 · by **shajaki** » Thu Aug 07, 2014 10:00 am

Sabrblade wrote:Honestly, Beast Machines is the most highbrow and most tightly-written series we've ever gotten. From start to finish, it feels like the writers knew exactly what they were doing going into it with very little of anything feeling like it was forced in at the 11th hour (there are traces of such things in there, but it's exceedingly minor). It took its audience seriously and engaged us on an intellectual and philosophical level (You know, for kids! ), asking and exploring big questions and high-minded concepts that no other series (let alone other kids cartoons of the time) were willing to ask and explore. It dug deep into the soil of the lore to plant the seeds of its own mythos to add to all that came before. It took risks and pushed itself to show just how far it could go with its potential, revolutionizing the brand's mythology and forever changing it for years to come.

that sums up my beast machines essay from page 1 :lol:

by **Blast Cannon** » Thu Aug 07, 2014 11:26 am

In reply to the original question, G1 is the only continuity for me. I'm an avid fan of the original cartoon and Marvel UK comics. I've also been impressed by the standard set by IDW despite it losing its way a little recently.

The strength of G1 is the sense of nostalgia from a certain generation. Typified by the commerical and critical success of the Regeneration One series.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
tfparodies wrote:G1 for me. But I have a pretty narrow definition of what G1 is. For me, G1 starts and ends with the cartoon.

I'm sure you are awatr that "G1" did not start with the cartoon right?

I don't even consider headmasters to be fully part of G1 even though they showed up at the very end (and in my opinion, helped kill the cartoon).

I dont mean to insult you but your opinion is sadly misinformed.

Season 3 killed the cartoon.The show was dropped/canceled in some markets before season 3 finished airing all its episodes.Some network even moved the airing of new episodes to early school day mornings, which is pretty evident of low ratings.

In his defence, he did clearly state that he has a pretty narrow definition of what G1 is.

It's sad that the Headmasters storyline was never given a fair crack at the whip because the animation and voice talent showed a marked improvement on Season 3.

News Credits: 1350 · by **ZeroWolf** » Thu Aug 07, 2014 11:50 am

When you say Headmasters, you are talking about Rebirth aren't you? Or did you want to watch the Star dubs after season 3

Though if the cartoon continued I wonder how they would of treat the Pretenders and Action Masters

by **Blast Cannon** » Thu Aug 07, 2014 12:01 pm

ZeroWolf wrote:When you say Headmasters, you are talking about Rebirth aren't you? Or did you want to watch the Star dubs after season 3 Though if the cartoon continued I wonder how they would of treat the Pretenders and Action Masters

Probably the same way in which they treat all their creations: money making transforming prostitutes to be killed off the moment that particular corporate cash cow has milked its last penny. >:oP

News Credits: 1350 · by **ZeroWolf** » Thu Aug 07, 2014 1:00 pm

Soooo they wouldn't of bothered with Action Masters :lol:

by **Blast Cannon** » Thu Aug 07, 2014 1:56 pm

ZeroWolf wrote:Soooo they wouldn't of bothered with Action Masters

Safe to say no.

News Credits: 1 · by **sto_vo_kor_2000** » Thu Aug 07, 2014 1:58 pm

Blast Cannon wrote:In his defence, he did clearly state that he has a pretty narrow definition of what G1 is.

It's sad that the Headmasters storyline was never given a fair crack at the whip because the animation and voice talent showed a marked improvement on Season 3.

I would say the stories on season 3 were also a step up.
Not sure I agree on the animation.

by **Blast Cannon** » Thu Aug 07, 2014 2:10 pm

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
Blast Cannon wrote:In his defence, he did clearly state that he has a pretty narrow definition of what G1 is.

It's sad that the Headmasters storyline was never given a fair crack at the whip because the animation and voice talent showed a marked improvement on Season 3.

I would say the stories on season 3 were also a step up.
Not sure I agree on the animation.

Carnage in C-Minor. >:oP

News Credits: 1350 · by **ZeroWolf** » Thu Aug 07, 2014 2:35 pm

Blast Cannon wrote:
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
Blast Cannon wrote:In his defence, he did clearly state that he has a pretty narrow definition of what G1 is.

It's sad that the Headmasters storyline was never given a fair crack at the whip because the animation and voice talent showed a marked improvement on Season 3.

I would say the stories on season 3 were also a step up.
Not sure I agree on the animation.

Carnage in C-Minor.

Wait, isn't that evidence against season 3 having good animation? That and well thats one of the worst eps since b.o.t. In terms of writing.

News Credits: 1 · by **sto_vo_kor_2000** » Thu Aug 07, 2014 3:52 pm

Blast Cannon wrote:
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
Blast Cannon wrote:In his defence, he did clearly state that he has a pretty narrow definition of what G1 is.

It's sad that the Headmasters storyline was never given a fair crack at the whip because the animation and voice talent showed a marked improvement on Season 3.

I would say the stories on season 3 were also a step up.
Not sure I agree on the animation.

Carnage in C-Minor.

was that the new thing called sarcasm?

by **Blast Cannon** » Thu Aug 07, 2014 4:05 pm

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
Blast Cannon wrote:
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
Blast Cannon wrote:In his defence, he did clearly state that he has a pretty narrow definition of what G1 is.

It's sad that the Headmasters storyline was never given a fair crack at the whip because the animation and voice talent showed a marked improvement on Season 3.

I would say the stories on season 3 were also a step up.
Not sure I agree on the animation.

Carnage in C-Minor.

was that the new thing called sarcasm?

I don't even know the meaning of the word. :-$

News Credits: 34 · by **Superwheeljack** » Thu Aug 07, 2014 5:09 pm

Movies, but the aligned continuity is close.
Carnage in C-minor was bull. End of story.

by **chivesbot20** » Fri Aug 08, 2014 8:45 am

Mindmaster wrote:
chivesbot20 wrote:Oh and war for cybertron and fall of cybertron ties with G1 and beast wars

Actually, both War for Cybertron and Fall of Cybertron are not part of the Generation One continuity family, but rather share the same family as Prime. It's not quite airtight, but it is what it is.

More can be read here: http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Aligned_continuity_family

No im not saying that the continuities connect. I mean for my favorite continuity. :HEADHURTS:

News Credits: 435 · by **Sabrblade** » Fri Aug 08, 2014 8:50 am

chivesbot20 wrote:
Mindmaster wrote:
chivesbot20 wrote:Oh and war for cybertron and fall of cybertron ties with G1 and beast wars

Actually, both War for Cybertron and Fall of Cybertron are not part of the Generation One continuity family, but rather share the same family as Prime. It's not quite airtight, but it is what it is.

More can be read here: http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Aligned_continuity_family

No im not saying that the continuities connect. I mean for my favorite continuity.

A continuity in which WFC and FOC tie in with G1 and Beast Wars doesn't exist.

News Credits: 1350 · by **ZeroWolf** » Fri Aug 08, 2014 9:36 am

Sabrblade wrote:
chivesbot20 wrote:
Mindmaster wrote:
chivesbot20 wrote:Oh and war for cybertron and fall of cybertron ties with G1 and beast wars

Actually, both War for Cybertron and Fall of Cybertron are not part of the Generation One continuity family, but rather share the same family as Prime. It's not quite airtight, but it is what it is.

More can be read here: http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Aligned_continuity_family

No im not saying that the continuities connect. I mean for my favorite continuity.
A continuity in which WFC and FOC tie in with G1 and Beast Wars doesn't exist.

Actually I don't think that's what he means.

To put it simply, this is how chivesbot20 sees it.

1st place: G1 and Beast Wars
1st place: WoC and FoC
3rd place: etc

He's basically saying they're tied for the number one slot

News Credits: 1 · by **sto_vo_kor_2000** » Fri Aug 08, 2014 7:16 pm

chivesbot20 wrote:
Mindmaster wrote:
chivesbot20 wrote:Oh and war for cybertron and fall of cybertron ties with G1 and beast wars

Actually, both War for Cybertron and Fall of Cybertron are not part of the Generation One continuity family, but rather share the same family as Prime. It's not quite airtight, but it is what it is.

More can be read here: http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Aligned_continuity_family

No im not saying that the continuities connect. I mean for my favorite continuity.

what you are saying doesnt jive with the facts.

WFC and FOC do not connect to G1 any established D1 continuity.

unless you are talking about your fanmade continuity

News Credits: 435 · by **Sabrblade** » Fri Aug 08, 2014 10:19 pm

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
chivesbot20 wrote:
Mindmaster wrote:
chivesbot20 wrote:Oh and war for cybertron and fall of cybertron ties with G1 and beast wars

Actually, both War for Cybertron and Fall of Cybertron are not part of the Generation One continuity family, but rather share the same family as Prime. It's not quite airtight, but it is what it is.

More can be read here: http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Aligned_continuity_family

No im not saying that the continuities connect. I mean for my favorite continuity.

what you are saying doesnt jive with the facts.

WFC and FOC do not connect to G1 any established D1 continuity.

unless you are talking about your fanmade continuity

See the post ZeroWolk wrote above yours. Chivesbot20 might have meant "ties" in a competitive manner rather than a familial/relational one.