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Re: What's Wrong With FoC Jazz?

Postby Convotron » Wed Nov 07, 2012 10:58 am

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JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:I must be one of the few who likes him for what he is. Of course, I'm willing to bet some will make a 180 turn of opinion once the Sideswipe retool is out :lol:


I agree!

I think FoC Jazz is a fun TF toy. I am eager to see the differences in the Sideswipe version for myself.

The issue for me in alt mode is the visible hands at the rear of the vehicle. In humanoid bot mode, there are issues like the space in the chest and minor hollow areas like the inner forearms and back of the lower legs. However, I don't see how the most vocal critics view these issues as so egregious that it warrants outrage.

The alt mode looks good to me and the bot mode is wide shouldered but that's due to having the front end of a car like form being the upper torso. The sculpted detail for this mold is intricate and a simple panel line wash would bring out much more detail. We've seen some customizers take full advantage of the sculpt in their custom work using this mold.

Downsizing is consistent for current TF toys. It's one thing if one or two toys were singled out but all new TF toys are smaller than what we've seen in several years.

Hollowed parts are also a consistent detail, which I've seen started a few years ago.

The plastic quality is not different from what I've experienced. I think the perception of fragility comes from use of thinner areas of plastic in current TF toys. The combination of flexibility and strength of the plastic seem just as good as any TF toy before FoC Jazz.

Ultimately, the most significant problem with the toy for me is the face sculpt. It just comes off like Mickey Rourke's puckered visage cast in plastic.
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Re: What's Wrong With FoC Jazz?

Postby JelZe GoldRabbit » Wed Nov 07, 2012 11:02 am

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Speaking of size issues, it can actually work wonderfully in a Classics-themed display: Just put the smaller Cybertronian mode in front of the Earth Mode :lol:
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Re: What's Wrong With FoC Jazz?

Postby RAcast » Wed Nov 07, 2012 11:06 am

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JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:I must be one of the few who likes him for what he is. Of course, I'm willing to bet some will make a 180 turn of opinion once the Sideswipe retool is out :lol:

As much as I dislike the mold, I've got a lot of love for Sideswipe, so I plan to get him, but not for more than $10-12. The BFG makes makes it at least reasonably justifiable.
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Re: What's Wrong With FoC Jazz?

Postby RK_Striker_JK_5 » Wed Nov 07, 2012 11:46 am

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As others have said, he's gappy, small, cheap-feeling, the plastic is bad. He's lost articulation compared to RTS Jazz. His face looks bad.
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Re: What's Wrong With FoC Jazz?

Postby Blurrz » Wed Nov 07, 2012 3:26 pm

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He's actually a really good toy considering the obvious drop in production funding. He just needs a new paint job.
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Re: What's Wrong With FoC Jazz?

Postby Valandar » Wed Nov 07, 2012 5:10 pm

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My big problem is the proportions. The torso and arms are about the size of RTS Jazz, but his legs are only 2/3 the length. This means he's perilously close to apelike proportions, rather than the heroic proportions of RTS Jazz, and most of the Classics Transformers. He just looks, well, goofy in person.

And no, it's not obvious in pictures - it wasn't until I had him in my hands that I saw just how sadly proportioned he was.
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Re: What's Wrong With FoC Jazz?

Postby warzon3 » Wed Nov 07, 2012 7:09 pm

Anyone see the Japanese version of FOC jazz he looks soooo much better. Better color choices... Now I would buy that FOC Jazz!

Also, forgive me because I'm new to this, but why does the US get that cheap offwhite semi transparent white plastic on all figures when the United line is nice, bright, and opaque????
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Re: What's Wrong With FoC Jazz?

Postby RAcast » Wed Nov 07, 2012 7:17 pm

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warzon3 wrote:Anyone see the Japanese version of FOC jazz he looks soooo much better. Better color choices... Now I would buy that FOC Jazz!

Also, forgive me because I'm new to this, but why does the US get that cheap offwhite semi transparent white plastic on all figures when the United line is nice, bright, and opaque????

Simple, Hasbro is cheap.
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Re: What's Wrong With FoC Jazz?

Postby craggy » Wed Nov 07, 2012 7:37 pm

FOC Jazz looks like a pretty nice little Scout class toy. I still say he reminds me of Pretender Jazz. He's nowhere near as cool an alt mode as MTMTE part 1 Cybertron mode Jazz and the robot mode is a step or 3 down from the RTS Jazz. I've no need for him, really. Might get "Sideswipe" as my Classics Lightspeed.
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Re: What's Wrong With FoC Jazz?

Postby SKYWARPED_128 » Wed Nov 07, 2012 8:48 pm

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warzon3 wrote:Anyone see the Japanese version of FOC jazz he looks soooo much better. Better color choices... Now I would buy that FOC Jazz!

Also, forgive me because I'm new to this, but why does the US get that cheap offwhite semi transparent white plastic on all figures when the United line is nice, bright, and opaque????

Simple, Hasbro is cheap.


True, in both senses of the word. The Takara versions cost more but a full-painted.

When I first saw FOC Jazz in Hasbro's promo pics, I hated him. He just look cheap and over-simplified. But after seeing the Takara version as well as the many customized versions, he doesn't look half bad.

He's not a great toy by any means, but the lack of paint just makes him look utterly horrible.
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