crazyjeffy wrote: Sabrblade wrote:
Snowy wrote:but I REALLY like the idea of using the Phase Shifter to steal back the other relics. As Jeff said, it'd be nice for these things to be more than just macguffins.
There's one hole in the idea of using the Phase shifter abroad the Nemesis. since it lets its pass through solid objects, the person wielding it would fall right through the floor of the the Nemesis and out of the ship. Plus, there's also the notion that the Autobots can barely ever find the Nemesis since it's always on the move and untraceable (save for a few rare special occasions).
Well I can see where you're coming from and it might be stretching it, but maybe it doesn't go through whatever you're standing on? Possibly only through objects and walls. Maybe not even walls. We never saw what the phase shifter could do besides make a train go through Bee and Arcee's hand.
And it might have to be in another special occasion, such as when the Nemesis was downed. Of course, that was caused by Bulk who will be out of commission this time around, but who knows? Maybe Knock Out will mutiny and paralyze the ship or something.
I don't know. I'm tired. Leave me alone :'(
I was going to mention the sinking phenomenon in the opening quote but a Phase-Shifted item/bot can be argued to be outside of the local gravitic influence, so won't sink into floors OR float off planet during a regular phase shift (-BUT a shifted item will move in the direction it was moving before the phase shift).
Furthermore if the phaseshift is a shift that happens in phases (as opposed to any number of other, subtly different enough interpretations that could incite any number of fan bases into civil war), then at least the relic can control which parts of the user phase when and to where.
It stands to reason someone who used the relic for a long time in the past (SHOULD they decide to grace TFP with a visit!) can do trickier tricks with it (the equivalent of having higher 'mastery levels' with the item as far as an onlooker would be concerned- meaning Bee, Arcee & co can't use the thing to walk through walls *TODAY* 'cuz they don't get how to get the mechanism to make it happen at the moment, but some other bloke can punch right through the Apex Armor with it and tear out Starscream, or reach through a Stasis field AND the Bulkhead in that field and pluck the ToxEn out of his internals grain by stasis frozen grain, phase-splitting it in his hand back into Energon and the Tox element as he does so,for extreme but not unrealistic example
Should any of these relics be semi/intelligent enough to effect outside forces via their own decision? Of course some should. Even the bridges in Cybertron transform along with those crossing them! So the shifter thing either detects Bee is in trouble via his 'heart rate analog' and shifts him out of phase, or else sees the train coming on its own and moves Bee out of the way. My point is that a Cybertronian, at least (if not a Human, Quintesson or whatever else) just has to 'tell' the Phase Shifter "Phase me now" in a transformable list of ways, once he has passed the learning curb and gotten the general gist of things with the relic.