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BeastProwl wrote:

Snowy wrote:

BeastProwl wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Snowy wrote:But back to Bulkhead. I honestly see him dying since the last episode was so heavy on the finality of the situation,

This! Bulkhead really has no other choices but to die or be rendered comatose/out of commission for a while to let this episode have impact. Any quick revival would be cheapening to how well this episode was.

Snowy wrote:but I REALLY like the idea of using the Phase Shifter to steal back the other relics. As Jeff said, it'd be nice for these things to be more than just macguffins.

There's one hole in the idea of using the Phase shifter abroad the Nemesis. since it lets its pass through solid objects, the person wielding it would fall right through the floor of the the Nemesis and out of the ship. Plus, there's also the notion that the Autobots can barely ever find the Nemesis since it's always on the move and untraceable (save for a few rare special occasions).

If he jumps, Activates it, goes through the wall, and deactivates it, that gets rid of the hole in the idea.

Or maybe he can just run really, really fast.

you would still fall through the floor...

Sarcasm is lost on this one.

But in all seriousness, why did 'Bee not fall through the floor in the subway? It would be a major design flaw if you put one on and found yourself striking oil. From what Arcee and Megatron have said in response to the Phase Shifter, it seems to be a tool used during wartime, meaning its uses would be severely limited if you were restricted to only certain areas before you took a dirt-dive. And we don't even know what those areas are, we just know that the train went through 'Bee but 'Bee didn't go through the ground. There is currently insufficient data to make a proper analysis.

G1 Smoketreader wrote:1) That the Phase-Shifter relic Bumblebee won could (maybe) be used to walk through walls on the Nemesis until the treasury is found, from where the Hammer-Relic could be stolen and used to forge dead Bulkhead into something new.

I see a few things wrong with this. First of all, like Sabreblade said, the Nemesis is usually on the move and cloaked, so finding it is problematic. Second, even if the 'bots found her, where would they look for the Forge? The Nemesis is a big ship, and there's got to be more than one storage bay on it. Third, while I'm sure the Forge could heal Bulkhead's injures from his fight with Hardshell, there was nothing in "Operation Bumblebee" that hinted it was a cure all. And Bulkhead was suffering from Tox-En poisoning as well as his injuries, which will no doubt cause complications in his recovery.

G1 Smoketreader wrote:2) That there is at least one stasis field/pod in Autobot HQ which is confirmed to be operational by the story so far. This particular field/pod could be used to contain still-alive Bulkhead until a remedy is prepared to counter the creeping effects of the ToxEn in his system, but Airacchnid is currently occupying it. Tho she would have to be released quick-smart to get Bulk stabilized asap, she may wreck the pod in her escape effort (I know I would try to).

This one may be a more viable option. And there were plenty of statis "cacoons" lying around the old hive. There's no reason to think the Autobots didn't recover more than the one Airachnid was trapped in.

Archanubis wrote:

G1 Smoketreader wrote:1) That the Phase-Shifter relic Bumblebee won could (maybe) be used to walk through walls on the Nemesis until the treasury is found, from where the Hammer-Relic could be stolen and used to forge dead Bulkhead into something new.

I see a few things wrong with this. First of all, like Sabreblade said, the Nemesis is usually on the move and cloaked, so finding it is problematic. Second, even if the 'bots found her, where would they look for the Forge? The Nemesis is a big ship, and there's got to be more than one storage bay on it. Third, while I'm sure the Forge could heal Bulkhead's injures from his fight with Hardshell, there was nothing in "Operation Bumblebee" that hinted it was a cure all. And Bulkhead was suffering from Tox-En poisoning as well as his injuries, which will no doubt cause complications in his recovery.

G1 Smoketreader wrote:2) That there is at least one stasis field/pod in Autobot HQ which is confirmed to be operational by the story so far. This particular field/pod could be used to contain still-alive Bulkhead until a remedy is prepared to counter the creeping effects of the ToxEn in his system, but Airacchnid is currently occupying it. Tho she would have to be released quick-smart to get Bulk stabilized asap, she may wreck the pod in her escape effort (I know I would try to).

This one may be a more viable option. And there were plenty of statis "cacoons" lying around the old hive. There's no reason to think the Autobots didn't recover more than the one Airachnid was trapped in.

Re: The actual location of the Nemesis- I can't speak for how the A/bots might find it so I left it unsaid- they tend to find it easily enough when the writers want them to so I don't sincerely see it as an obstacle of possibility, just of time.

Re: The cureall- I was thinking along the lines of Optimus using the Hammer to reforge Bulkheads' corpse into some type of new Autobot on the grounds that they need the numbers and desperate times call for desperate measures etc. In other 'peacetime' situations it is my assumption that reforging Bulkheads' corpse could be considered something macabre- the equivalent of an act of atrocity.

G1 Smoketreader wrote:Re: The cureall- I was thinking along the lines of Optimus using the Hammer to reforge Bulkheads' corpse into some type of new Autobot on the grounds that they need the numbers and desperate times call for desperate measures etc. In other 'peacetime' situations it is my assumption that reforging Bulkheads' corpse could be considered something macabre- the equivalent of an act of atrocity.

Well, Wheeljack's still out there; loosing Bulkhead might be enough to bring him into the main cast. Of course, there's also the idea that Bulkhead's death leads to the introduction of a new character. They introduced Dreadwing just before killing off Breakdown, so it's possible they'd do the same on the side. We still have two confirmed voice actors whose characters have not been revealed yet. We'll see.

Sabrblade wrote:

Archanubis wrote:We still have two confirmed voice actors whose characters have not been revealed yet. We'll see.

Who?

He might've forgotten that David Kaye was introduced last episode. But there's still Nolan North

crazyjeffy wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Archanubis wrote:We still have two confirmed voice actors whose characters have not been revealed yet. We'll see.

Who?

He might've forgotten that David Kaye was introduced last episode. But there's still Nolan North

Nolan North was one. For awhile, the TFWiki reported that James Remar was coming to the show, but apparently that's been taken down. Or I was mistaken, one or the other.

Since this overall plotline tends to pass-the-parcel around the cast with relic ownership and status effects (sometimes making me feel like I'm watching the charlatan storytelling & tedious viewing of a home Gym or super slimmer shoe infomercial trying to convince me how hooked I am to something I'm completely disinterested in and saw again yesterday and the day before)... another consideration is that Bulkhead could just be left on life support for a dozen episodes in order to permit airtime for new characters.

I say this because the reported upcoming introduction of Shockwave (assuming he is a Decepticon loyalist and not a rogue agent like TFP Wheeljack or Hordak-style rival like Straxus or Airacchnid), combined with Megz' cannon & Soundwaves' blaster-thing, could relieve Starscream of the Apex armor, shifting power supremacy to the Cons for as long as Bulk is down & Airacchnid is out. (Let's ignore possibilities of salvaged cultures of ToxEn from multiple locations).

In this instance, leaving bulk in extended rehabilitation could permit time for new characters (unconfirmed but theoretically viable selection of which at this time is Hot Shot, Evac, Ironhide and Kup) to be fitted in to events. All this is hypothesis of course, but mathematical possibilities are there that Bulkhead eventually survives in the long run whilst multiple new & standing imports (eg. Kup, Arcee and Hot Shot) are killed in the mid-term.

Why am I ignoring Wheeljack? Because he's repairing the Jackhammer, which he never agreed to have carted back to Autobot HQ, and would take time in non-intelligence insulting storytelling- and because his overall "Behold: It's not Wheeljack: Worship him!" plotline sucks anyway. Spending 20 episodes keeping him away to have him unconditionally join team Prime now is just more charlatan storytelling & tedious viewing, at least from my point of view. I'm therefore ASSUMING something else, a little more variable, will happen around the Bulkhead plot hook.

Another consideration regarding Wheeljack replacing Bulkhead, before I forget:

Wheeljack is anticipated to replaced Bulkhead on team: Prime (permanently) with the idea of vengeance as a motive.

Wheeljack has reported/documented/confirmed/seen/learnt about/maybe even witnessed the deaths of MANY wreckers during his RECENT travels. He hunts Deceps who kill Wreckers for vengeance and for the sake of being a Wrecker, yes- but Wheeljack does not display affection towards Bulkhead; It is Bulkhead who has displayed brotherhood, friendship and the general sense of welcome towards Wheeljack.

This is who Bulkhead is, and it can-and-cannot be argued that Bulk is more gentle a being at heart than someone like Seaspray.So the expectation that Jack will go into a killing frenzy to vindicate 'his close personal friend Bulkhead, because Bulkhead was such a good guy', as opposed to 'yet another Wrecker I knew, this time the one called Bulkhead, who was too soft for his own good' can be made invalid.

Unless Jack is commanded by Prime to look after Miko (who is an honorary Wrecker) I don't see why Wheeljack would give the death of Bulkhead any special treatment in comparison to the death of any other Wrecker. If Wheeljack were to be the Samurai persona he appears to be, he might collaborate with Prime in the interim whilst gunning for Hardshell, in the name of vengeance, but to do that he must learn that Hardshell is essentially the one who killed Bulkhead. Otherwise I don't see a motive for him to join team: Prime unconditionally.

Of course, this whole scenario might be intended to make Miko a grizzled old veteran Wrecker who has lost multiple Autobot Wrecker partners over the years. Remember the chick in the Alien versus Predator comics who leaves with broken-Tusk and his clan and becomes not only a fully fledged hunt member but also a degree of veteran?

More hypothesis, of course...