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Re: What we learned from Michael Bay with the 3 movies and beyond

Postby Shadowman » Sun Sep 11, 2011 10:09 pm

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I still don't get how that movie was "confusing".


Not confusing. Just poorly written, full of lame jokes, annoying characters, and overused clichés.

So was Crash, but it won best picture at the Oscars.


I saw Crash in high school. I remember it being a good movie.
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Re: What we learned from Michael Bay with the 3 movies and beyond

Postby Evil_the_Nub » Sun Sep 11, 2011 10:35 pm

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Blurrz wrote:Orci and Kurtzman aren't half bad. Many seem to forget that ROTF was produced while the majority of the script was written under fire during the Writer's Guild strike.


I still don't get how that movie was "confusing".


Not confusing. Just poorly written, full of lame jokes, annoying characters, and overused clichés.

So was Crash, but it won best picture at the Oscars.


I saw Crash in high school. I remember it being a good movie.

I hated it myself. Everyone kept running their mouths and wouldn't listen, which was annoying. Then they had stupid stuff like the guys door getting broken. It was clear the door was broken and he needed a new one but he wouldn't listen to the locksmith. I could go on and on about why I hated that movie, but I don't want to derail the thread.
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Re: What we learned from Michael Bay with the 3 movies and beyond

Postby SlyTF1 » Mon Sep 12, 2011 2:10 pm

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Blurrz wrote:Orci and Kurtzman aren't half bad. Many seem to forget that ROTF was produced while the majority of the script was written under fire during the Writer's Guild strike.


I still don't get how that movie was "confusing".


Not confusing. Just poorly written, full of lame jokes, annoying characters, and overused clichés.


No one annoyed me. And what cleches? The script for all 3 movies seemed really unique. With every movie I saw this year, I knew exactly what everyone was going to day. I never felt that way with any of the TF movies.
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Re: What we learned from Michael Bay with the 3 movies and beyond

Postby Burn » Mon Sep 12, 2011 2:47 pm

Yeah but none of the other movies had bright shiney objects that distracted you so easily.
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Re: What we learned from Michael Bay with the 3 movies and beyond

Postby Biddybot » Mon Sep 12, 2011 4:47 pm

What I learned is that when Michael Bay makes a movie, you can pretty much count on him to use the exact same directing style and to focus on his same favourite motifs--heroism, romance, stuff blowing up--regardless of the movie's subject matter.

That's based strictly on what Michael Bay's actually done, on what he's created, by the way. I've bever paid any attention to what the guy says.
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Re: What we learned from Michael Bay with the 3 movies and beyond

Postby SlyTF1 » Mon Sep 12, 2011 5:14 pm

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Burn wrote:Yeah but none of the other movies had bright shiney objects that distracted you so easily.


Battle LA did. Captain America sorta did. Especially Rise of the Planet of the Apes. The stole a line DIRECTLY FROM DOTM!

"We only have one shot."
"One shot's all we need."

That movie stole 2 lines right from DOTM's script. The writers of that movie are thieves!!!
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Re: What we learned from Michael Bay with the 3 movies and beyond

Postby Shadowman » Mon Sep 12, 2011 8:05 pm

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SlyTF1 wrote:Battle LA did. Captain America sorta did. Especially Rise of the Planet of the Apes. The stole a line DIRECTLY FROM DOTM!

"We only have one shot."
"One shot's all we need."

That movie stole 2 lines right from DOTM's script. The writers of that movie are thieves!!!


Wow, they stole one fairly generic line from a movie that wasn't even out when the script was written. Damn them! Damn them all to hell!

You want to go over all the lines DOTM "stole" from other movies as well?
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Re: What we learned from Michael Bay with the 3 movies and beyond

Postby SlyTF1 » Mon Sep 12, 2011 8:14 pm

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SlyTF1 wrote:Battle LA did. Captain America sorta did. Especially Rise of the Planet of the Apes. The stole a line DIRECTLY FROM DOTM!

"We only have one shot."
"One shot's all we need."

That movie stole 2 lines right from DOTM's script. The writers of that movie are thieves!!!


Wow, they stole one fairly generic line from a movie that wasn't even out when the script was written. Damn them! Damn them all to hell!

You want to go over all the lines DOTM "stole" from other movies as well?



...yeah.
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Re: What we learned from Michael Bay with the 3 movies and beyond

Postby Shadowman » Mon Sep 12, 2011 8:27 pm

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SlyTF1 wrote:Battle LA did. Captain America sorta did. Especially Rise of the Planet of the Apes. The stole a line DIRECTLY FROM DOTM!

"We only have one shot."
"One shot's all we need."

That movie stole 2 lines right from DOTM's script. The writers of that movie are thieves!!!


Wow, they stole one fairly generic line from a movie that wasn't even out when the script was written. Damn them! Damn them all to hell!

You want to go over all the lines DOTM "stole" from other movies as well?



...yeah.


Well tough, I don't have its script on hand. If I did, this would be a longer post. Still, calling people "thieves" for using a line from a movie that didn't even exist when they were writing their own script is really silly.
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Re: What we learned from Michael Bay with the 3 movies and beyond

Postby SlyTF1 » Mon Sep 12, 2011 8:29 pm

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SlyTF1 wrote:Battle LA did. Captain America sorta did. Especially Rise of the Planet of the Apes. The stole a line DIRECTLY FROM DOTM!

"We only have one shot."
"One shot's all we need."

That movie stole 2 lines right from DOTM's script. The writers of that movie are thieves!!!


Wow, they stole one fairly generic line from a movie that wasn't even out when the script was written. Damn them! Damn them all to hell!

You want to go over all the lines DOTM "stole" from other movies as well?



...yeah.


Well tough, I don't have its script on hand. If I did, this would be a longer post. Still, calling people "thieves" for using a line from a movie that didn't even exist when they were writing their own script is really silly.


Exactly! You've no proof! "Raise your hand if you had a psycho, flying ninja, copier try to kill you today". I bet that wasn't in another movie. :P
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Re: What we learned from Michael Bay with the 3 movies and beyond

Postby Shadowman » Mon Sep 12, 2011 8:55 pm

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SlyTF1 wrote:Exactly! You've no proof!


Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Though, in this case, I simply don't have the evidence on hand. It doesn't mean you're right--you're extremely wrong, in fact--it just means I can't list the myriad of ways you're wrong. Yet.
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Re: What we learned from Michael Bay with the 3 movies and beyond

Postby SlyTF1 » Mon Sep 12, 2011 9:06 pm

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Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Though, in this case, I simply don't have the evidence on hand. It doesn't mean you're right--you're extremely wrong, in fact--it just means I can't list the myriad of ways you're wrong. Yet.


That's my line! I always use that line, you stole that from me. I wasn't serious any way; I mean of course they stole the line from DOTM, there's just no need to call the police about it. :P
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Re: What we learned from Michael Bay with the 3 movies and beyond

Postby TulioDude » Mon Sep 12, 2011 9:12 pm

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The movies were preety cool,even with some small flaws,are still awesome.


Small flaws? Lots of flaws. The only thing that Bay got right was getting Peter Cullen's to voice Optimus.

Depends on what you see as flaws.What you mean by got right?Was Hugo Weaving an Jess Harnell on the movie was wrong?Having Optimus as a Peterbuilt with flames was wrong?
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Re: What we learned from Michael Bay with the 3 movies and beyond

Postby Shadowman » Tue Sep 13, 2011 12:14 am

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SlyTF1 wrote:Exactly! You've no proof!


Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Though, in this case, I simply don't have the evidence on hand. It doesn't mean you're right--you're extremely wrong, in fact--it just means I can't list the myriad of ways you're wrong. Yet.


That's my line! I always use that line, you stole that from me.


And you stole it from an episode of the Boondocks.

SlyTF1 wrote:I wasn't serious any way; I mean of course they stole the line from DOTM, there's just no need to call the police about it. :P


No, they didn't. It's a very generic line. And DOTM hadn't even come out when they were writing Rise of the Planet of the Apes.They'd be ripping off a movie they hadn't seen yet.
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Re: What we learned from Michael Bay with the 3 movies and beyond

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Re: What we learned from Michael Bay with the 3 movies and beyond

Postby Burn » Tue Sep 13, 2011 2:23 pm

BeastProwl wrote:This topic is de-railing....just saying...


And this post of yours was on topic?
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Re: What we learned from Michael Bay with the 3 movies and beyond

Postby Cthulhunicron » Wed Sep 14, 2011 11:49 am

I learned that America is becoming more and more like the society depicted in Idiocracy.
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Re: What we learned from Michael Bay with the 3 movies and beyond

Postby Evil_the_Nub » Wed Sep 14, 2011 12:33 pm

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Cthulhunicron wrote:I learned that America is becoming more and more like the society depicted in Idiocracy.

I agree, the things I've heard people complain about makes me wonder if they're capable of paying attention.
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Re: What we learned from Michael Bay with the 3 movies and beyond

Postby Shadowman » Wed Sep 14, 2011 12:58 pm

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Cthulhunicron wrote:I learned that America is becoming more and more like the society depicted in Idiocracy.

I agree, the things I've heard people complain about makes me wonder if they're capable of paying attention.


I could easily say the opposite is true.
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Re: What we learned from Michael Bay with the 3 movies and beyond

Postby Evil_the_Nub » Wed Sep 14, 2011 1:03 pm

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Cthulhunicron wrote:I learned that America is becoming more and more like the society depicted in Idiocracy.

I agree, the things I've heard people complain about makes me wonder if they're capable of paying attention.


I could easily say the opposite is true.

Have you ever made a post that wasn't just to disagree with someone?
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Re: What we learned from Michael Bay with the 3 movies and beyond

Postby Shadowman » Wed Sep 14, 2011 1:40 pm

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Cthulhunicron wrote:I learned that America is becoming more and more like the society depicted in Idiocracy.

I agree, the things I've heard people complain about makes me wonder if they're capable of paying attention.


I could easily say the opposite is true.

Have you ever made a post that wasn't just to disagree with someone?


I think one time, maybe. I may have started it with "I agree with you" but then went off on how they were wrong.

That said, saying people who don't like the movies are a sign that we're headed towards a massive outbreak of mental ****** doesn't make your side of things look any better.
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Re: What we learned from Michael Bay with the 3 movies and beyond

Postby Evil_the_Nub » Wed Sep 14, 2011 5:51 pm

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Cthulhunicron wrote:I learned that America is becoming more and more like the society depicted in Idiocracy.

I agree, the things I've heard people complain about makes me wonder if they're capable of paying attention.


I could easily say the opposite is true.

Have you ever made a post that wasn't just to disagree with someone?


I think one time, maybe. I may have started it with "I agree with you" but then went off on how they were wrong.

That said, saying people who don't like the movies are a sign that we're headed towards a massive outbreak of mental ****** doesn't make your side of things look any better.

He was implying people who like the movies are stupid, I was sarcastically pointing out that stupidity is on both sides.
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Re: What we learned from Michael Bay with the 3 movies and beyond

Postby Shadowman » Wed Sep 14, 2011 7:11 pm

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Evil_the_Nub wrote:
Shadowman wrote:
Evil_the_Nub wrote:
Cthulhunicron wrote:I learned that America is becoming more and more like the society depicted in Idiocracy.

I agree, the things I've heard people complain about makes me wonder if they're capable of paying attention.


I could easily say the opposite is true.

Have you ever made a post that wasn't just to disagree with someone?


I think one time, maybe. I may have started it with "I agree with you" but then went off on how they were wrong.

That said, saying people who don't like the movies are a sign that we're headed towards a massive outbreak of mental ****** doesn't make your side of things look any better.

He was implying people who like the movies are stupid, I was sarcastically pointing out that stupidity is on both sides.


Poe's Law strikes again. Sarcasm doesn't translate well into text. I thought you were talking about people who complained about the movies. You could have made it a bit more obvious you didn't actually agree with him.
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Re: What we learned from Michael Bay with the 3 movies and beyond

Postby Evil_the_Nub » Wed Sep 14, 2011 7:55 pm

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Evil_the_Nub wrote:
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Evil_the_Nub wrote:
Cthulhunicron wrote:I learned that America is becoming more and more like the society depicted in Idiocracy.

I agree, the things I've heard people complain about makes me wonder if they're capable of paying attention.


I could easily say the opposite is true.

Have you ever made a post that wasn't just to disagree with someone?


I think one time, maybe. I may have started it with "I agree with you" but then went off on how they were wrong.

That said, saying people who don't like the movies are a sign that we're headed towards a massive outbreak of mental ****** doesn't make your side of things look any better.

He was implying people who like the movies are stupid, I was sarcastically pointing out that stupidity is on both sides.


Poe's Law strikes again. Sarcasm doesn't translate well into text. I thought you were talking about people who complained about the movies. You could have made it a bit more obvious you didn't actually agree with him.

yeah, it wasn't as obvious as I thought.
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Re: What we learned from Michael Bay with the 3 movies and beyond

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Cthulhunicron wrote:I learned that America is becoming more and more like the society depicted in Idiocracy.

I agree, the things I've heard people complain about makes me wonder if they're capable of paying attention.


I could easily say the opposite is true.

Have you ever made a post that wasn't just to disagree with someone?


I think one time, maybe. I may have started it with "I agree with you" but then went off on how they were wrong.

That said, saying people who don't like the movies are a sign that we're headed towards a massive outbreak of mental ****** doesn't make your side of things look any better.

He was implying people who like the movies are stupid, I was sarcastically pointing out that stupidity is on both sides.


Poe's Law strikes again. Sarcasm doesn't translate well into text. I thought you were talking about people who complained about the movies. You could have made it a bit more obvious you didn't actually agree with him.

yeah, it wasn't as obvious as I thought.

That's like saying, "honestly oshifer, I'm not punk in drublic". Lol.
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