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1. He's a liar
2. He did it his way
3. Because he is a liar, don't be surprised if he goes back on his word about wanting nothing to do with the new trilogy and decides to come back along with dragging Shia's corpse back into it
4. Proof of the above goes back to when articles came out about how he was against 3D in movies
5. More proof that either he doesn't have a lot of pull with Paramount or that he caves pretty easily and is a puppet under Spielberg's control

That's a bit harsh. And yes, not Fair. Without Bay we most likely wouldn't have the live action movies, whether we liked them or not. He made the Transformers come alive and more mainstream than they had ever been. He put 6 years of his life into something we treat as a hobby. Yeah, he got paid for it, but he still did it when he didn't have to. And I highly doubt the movies would have been what they were had it not been for him. Yeah, they all have their faults, especially RotF, but in the end, we should be thankful they were on the big screen to begin with.

whoa there hoss!

If i may interject..

We learned also that - no matter how much we wish for a big screen - modern take on the much hallowed Generation One - The Codex of transformerdom (yikes I ate a dictionary this morning!) We - the fans, will be met with a compromise that will have to suit not only the millions of TF Fans global - but also to appeal to the wider market - so we got a modern take - someone called it transtech at one time.

we also got a big showing that said that it can be done!

For the record. I don't hate Bay. Fact I enjoy some of his movies and I think TF 2007 was a fun movie.

Just saying he seemed to lie a little bit and the real mysterious part about the creative process is whether or not he actually had any say over Paramount on some things in the trilogy. Either his hand was forced or they were genuinely meh.


ROTF and DOTM are watchable but they both mirror each other more than they mirror TF 2007 with DOTM being a shade darker.

ReDPATH wrote:1. He's a liar

Most of humanity does that.

2. He did it his way

Wait ... a movie director directing HIS way? Stop the presses! Someone call TMZ!

3. Because he is a liar, don't be surprised if he goes back on his word about wanting nothing to do with the new trilogy and decides to come back along with dragging Shia's corpse back into it

People are allowed to change their minds. That doesn't make them liars.

4. Proof of the above goes back to when articles came out about how he was against 3D in movies

I seem to recall his reasoning being that he didn't fully understand the technology. Once he sat down and spoke to the experts of it he changed his mind.
Stop the presses again! Someone changed their mind!

5. More proof that either he doesn't have a lot of pull with Paramount or that he caves pretty easily and is a puppet under Spielberg's control

You don't know what went on behind the scenes.

So yeah, whatever.

dude, seriously....This is how it goes down.
TF 1-Experiment, therefor it's closest to G1, wich is why they liked it so much!
TF 2-Wow, TF 1 was so popular, I should branch out in part 2! Not the best move, but an awesome movie none the less, even with it's flaws
TF 3-Wow, the first two were VERY Popular, but the first one is supposedly better? Maybe I should go back to the basics, and branch out at the same time: Lesson learned. Also, 3D is kinda cool and makes more money and It's what the people love!
I was smart for making the wreckers different, they WERE Rednecks, but I listened to the people, and made them different at the last moment, and that turned out great!

Moral of the story is: Guy learned from what mistakes he made, made a few new ones along the way, Learned alot about his experience, and moved on, but if he decides to return, then more power to him for making a comeback! Honestly, With all he's learned, TF 4 by Michael Bay could be a good thing. DOTM Was not Flawless! Anything but! But with it's setbacks, it definantly opened up a new realm for Transformers in general! TF4 has so much to build on now because of bay. Three movies. all of them made so much money too! I think, that we, as the TF Fandom, owe him a dept of graditude for bringing this, dead thing, back to life, kicking and screaming and pulling in the dough! He's a director. He's hollywood. you want what is in your mind, a flawless transformers movie? Make it yourself! See how it stacks up. I await the final cut. Hell, if it looks good enough, I may go see it in theaters, like I did the first three transformers movies.

What i learned was that not everyone is gonna be pleased.

The movies were preety cool,even with some small flaws,are still awesome.

BeastProwl wrote:dude, seriously....This is how it goes down.
TF 1-Experiment, therefor it's closest to G1, wich is why they liked it so much!
TF 2-Wow, TF 1 was so popular, I should branch out in part 2! Not the best move, but an awesome movie none the less, even with it's flaws
TF 3-Wow, the first two were VERY Popular, but the first one is supposedly better? Maybe I should go back to the basics, and branch out at the same time: Lesson learned. Also, 3D is kinda cool and makes more money and It's what the people love!
I was smart for making the wreckers different, they WERE Rednecks, but I listened to the people, and made them different at the last moment, and that turned out great!

Moral of the story is: Guy learned from what mistakes he made, made a few new ones along the way, Learned alot about his experience, and moved on, but if he decides to return, then more power to him for making a comeback! Honestly, With all he's learned, TF 4 by Michael Bay could be a good thing. DOTM Was not Flawless! Anything but! But with it's setbacks, it definantly opened up a new realm for Transformers in general! TF4 has so much to build on now because of bay. Three movies. all of them made so much money too! I think, that we, as the TF Fandom, owe him a dept of graditude for bringing this, dead thing, back to life, kicking and screaming and pulling in the dough! He's a director. He's hollywood. you want what is in your mind, a flawless transformers movie? Make it yourself! See how it stacks up. I await the final cut. Hell, if it looks good enough, I may go see it in theaters, like I did the first three transformers movies.

TF 1 was NOT like G1 at all. The Autobots don't even show up until the end of the movie. ROTF was more like G1 than anything.

TulioDude wrote:What i learned was that not everyone is gonna be pleased.

The movies were preety cool,even with some small flaws,are still awesome.

Small flaws? Lots of flaws. The only thing that Bay got right was getting Peter Cullen's to voice Optimus. But over all, the movies were enjoyable and brought alot of new people into the fandom. We should just be happy with what we get. As much as we don't want to accept it.

What's this "as much as we don't want to accept it" garbage?

I accept it. YOU do NOT speak for me. So please stop make generalised comments like that as there's plenty of TF fans out there who actually enjoyed the movies.