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News Credits: 1 · by **adamassc** » Fri Jul 08, 2011 8:55 am

Master Renegade wrote:
Bleak5170 wrote:Man I think I am the only TF fan who has absolutely no use for Beast Wars. Tried watching a couple of episodes and I just couldn't wrap my head around the TFs being animals.

I can never understand why anyone would have a problem with that. I always wonder if the person saying that had a problem with Ravage, Laserbeak, Buzzsaw, the Dinobots, Ratbat, the Predacons, Slugfest, Overkill, Trypticon, the Terrorcons, the Decepticon Headmasters, the Seacons, Beastbox, Squawktalk, Sky Lynx, the Monster Pretenders, the Monsterbots....

The only difference I saw was they improved the technology for those kinds of forms. This is just curiosity, though, I'm not saying you're wrong.

My issue with Best Wars wasn't that they turned into animals, but how squishy those animal alt modes are. They seemed to take on fully organic animal shells in beast mode, while in bot mode those organic animals hung in chunks from their bodies.

Beast Wars is notable for being the only series to have Megatron defeated by flatulence.

News Credits: 35 · by **Sabrblade** » Fri Jul 08, 2011 9:02 am

adamassc wrote:My issue with Best Wars wasn't that they turned into animals, but how squishy those animal alt modes are. They seemed to take on fully organic animal shells in beast mode, while in bot mode those organic animals hung in chunks from their bodies.

Every Transformer has altmode kibble in their Robot Modes. That's something that can't be helped.

Plus, they do gain more G1-styled metallic beast forms in season 2, which come with vehicular forms to boot.

adamassc wrote:Beast Wars is notable for being the only series to have Megatron defeated by flatulence.

And yet that same Megatron is the only Megatron to have successfully conquered Cybertron.

by **RhA** » Fri Jul 08, 2011 9:14 am

Sabrblade wrote:
Kvbaby wrote:Also, where does Transformers: Prime fit in the story line or Timeline?
Oh, well, see, there isn't just one timeline in the grand scheme of the Transformers series, but rather, there are many timelines. All Transformers fiction (cartoons, movies, comics, games, toy bios, books, text stories, etc.) resides in an entire multiverse of millions and millions of realities and universes.

With just the English-language cartoons and movies alone, there are at least six different timelines to go by:
G1 seasons 1-2 --> G1 1986 movie --> G1 seasons 3-4 --> Beast Wars seasons 1-3 --> Beast Machines seasons 1-2
Robots in Disguise
Armada --> Energon --> Cybertron
2007 Movie --> Revenge of the Fallen --> Dark of the Moon
Animated
Prime
And that's only the basic stuff. There's more out there to see than we could ever dream of.

That's Hasbro's take, it's only fair to mention that Takara appllies brute force to everything and fits it all 'nicely' into a single timeline.

There's no japanese version of Prime, though. But if there would be one, it'd go in to the G1 timeline.

News Credits: 35 · by **Sabrblade** » Fri Jul 08, 2011 9:28 am

RhA wrote:That's Hasbro's take, it's only fair to mention that Takara appllies brute force to everything and fits it all 'nicely' into a single timeline.

No it does not. The Japanese keep all of the G1/Beast Era, Unicron Trilogy, and Movies/Animated stuff separate. The only things they have put together were Car Robots into G1 (which DOES work in a way) and their dub of Animated in with their dub of the Movies.

You REALLY don't want me to list the Japanese timelines. Trust me, it is best that it not come to that. It shall be greatly regretted should I have to list out the Japanese timelines. #-o

by **RhA** » Fri Jul 08, 2011 11:18 am

Sabrblade wrote:
RhA wrote:That's Hasbro's take, it's only fair to mention that Takara appllies brute force to everything and fits it all 'nicely' into a single timeline.
No it does not. The Japanese keep all of the G1/Beast Era, Unicron Trilogy, and Movies/Animated stuff separate. The only things they have put together were Car Robots into G1 (which DOES work in a way) and their dub of Animated in with their dub of the Movies.

You REALLY don't want me to list the Japanese timelines. Trust me, it is best that it not come to that. It shall be greatly regretted should I have to list out the Japanese timelines.

You, sir, have opened a can of worms. I'd really like to know how this works and it appears you're the man with the tools to do so.

I fear no regrets. Bombs away.

News Credits: 35 · by **Sabrblade** » Fri Jul 08, 2011 1:51 pm

RhA wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
RhA wrote:That's Hasbro's take, it's only fair to mention that Takara appllies brute force to everything and fits it all 'nicely' into a single timeline.
No it does not. The Japanese keep all of the G1/Beast Era, Unicron Trilogy, and Movies/Animated stuff separate. The only things they have put together were Car Robots into G1 (which DOES work in a way) and their dub of Animated in with their dub of the Movies.

You REALLY don't want me to list the Japanese timelines. Trust me, it is best that it not come to that. It shall be greatly regretted should I have to list out the Japanese timelines.

You, sir, have opened a can of worms. I'd really like to know how this works and it appears you're the man with the tools to do so.

I fear no regrets. Bombs away.

Okay, but you have been warned. Prepare yourself.

Though, a few notes first:

I'll only be listing the timelines that relate to the cartoons. There are more non-cartoon timelines that the Japanese have created aside from what's listed below.
I will be placing each piece of fiction where it chronologically takes place in regards to the present day. So, I will be placing Beast Wars somewhere in the list before G1 since it takes place in the prehistoric past (even though the characters themselves hail from the future).
I'll be referring to each series by their Japanese names.
Additional notes are in Italics.

Generation 1/Beast Series

"64 Cybertron Urban Defense Robot GADEP" manga chapter
Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers anime episode 1 (from the beginning of the episode to the crash-landing on Earth)
Beast Wars: Super Lifeform Transformers anime episodes 1-21
Transformers: Beast Wars Diorama Story
Beast Wars: Super Lifeform Transformers anime episodes 22-26
Super Lifeform Transformers: Beast Wars Metals anime episodes 1-7
Beast Wars Special: Super Lifeform Transformers – Beast Wars: Super Lifeform Transformers ~ Metals (movie)
Super Lifeform Transformers: Beast Wars Metals anime episodes 8-16
Beast Wars: Super Lifeform Transformers ~ Metals – Convoy's Great Transformation! (movie)
Super Lifeform Transformers: Beast Wars Metals anime episodes 17-26
3 million years (4 million after the original crash-landing, though) later...
The Transformers: Micromaster manga chapters 1-5
Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers anime episode 1 (from the awakening on Earth to the end of the episode) to 74
"Decepticon Leader Megatron Black Ver." manga chapter (actually takes place somewhere within the above cartoon's events)
"Decepticon Aerospace Warrior Sunstorm" manga chapter (actually takes place somewhere within the above cartoon's events)
Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers manga
"Scramble City Hatsudō Hen" OVA
"Scramble Power Zenkai!" manga story
Chijo Saikyo no Expert Team G.I. Joe anime
Transformers: The Battle of the Star Gate manga
Transformers: Car Robots anime
e-Hobby Crosscut's toy bio
Super Spy Changers catalog
The Story of Binaltech comes into play here, along with the Binaltech Asterisk Story, but it eventually branches off into its own splinter timeline, in which it is followed by Alternity.
RobotMasters fiction
Information Administration Teletraan 15 Go! Go! manga
e-Hobby Clamp Down's toy bio and Deep Cover's toy bio
The Transformers: The Movie (Japanese dub)
Transformers: Kiss Players radio drama and manga
Pepsi Convoy's toy bio (actually takes place somewhere within the above radio drama's early events)
Transformers: Kiss Players Position radio drama
Transformers: Music Label
"Destron Doppelgänger Black Rodimus Convoy" manga chapter
Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers 2010 anime
The Story of Super Robot Lifeforms: The Transformers manga (actually takes place at various points within the above cartoon's early events)
The Great Transformer War manga issues 1-2 (actually take place at various points within the above cartoon's later events)
The Great Transformer War manga issue 3 (takes place after the 2010 cartoon)
Transformers: The Headmasters animw
Transformers: The Headmasters manga issues 1-6 and "Beast-sei no Daiketteisen" manga special (all take place at various points within the above cartoon's events)
Transformers: The Headmasters manga issue 8 (takes place after The Headmasters cartoon; issue 7 is out of continuity with the cartoon)
Transformers: Chōjin Masterforce anime
Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers: Victory anime
HERO SET toy packaging blurb
Transformers: Zone catalog story page 1 (catalog story page 2 is out of continuity)
Transformers: Zone story pages 1-3
Transformers: Zone anime episode OR manga chapter (both tell different versions of the same story)
Transformers: Zone story pages 4-12
Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers: Return of Convoy - The Battlestars story pages 1-6
Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers: Return of Convoy - The Battlestars manga chapter
Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers: Return of Convoy - The Battlestars story pages 7-10
Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers: Operation Combination story pages
Nucleon Quest Super Convoy's toy bio
Transformers: G-2 pack-in manga and story pages
According to at least one timeline table, Machine Wars occurs after G-2, which is then followed by e-Hobby Black Starscream's toy bio, but this timeline shows them going in a different direction than what ultimately would lead to the Beast Series. And so, apparently, another splinter timeline branches off from here.
e-Hobby Galvatron II's toy bio
e-Hobby Laser Ultra Magnus's toy bio
"Hybrid Style Convoy Black Version" manga chapter
Masterpiece Convoy Black Version's toy bio
"MP-1B Cybertron Commander / Convoy Black Ver." manga chapter
"MP-3G Destron Air Commander / Starscream Ghost Ver." manga chapter
Approximately 300 years later comes the future from which the Beast Wars cast hails from.
Super Lifeform Transformers: Beast Wars Returns anime
Beast Wars Reborn
Tens of thousands of years later...
Beast Wars II: Super Lifeform Transformers anime
"Cybertron Sennō Keikaku" manga story (seems to take place at some point during the above cartoon's events. note that "Cybertron" = "Maximal" in this case)
Beast Wars Special: Super Lifeform Transformers - Lio Convoy in Imminent Danger! (movie, takes place at some point between episodes 32 and 38 of the above cartoon)
Super Lifeform Transformers: Beast Wars Neo anime

Micron Trilogy

Super Robot Lifeform Transformers: Legends of the Microns anime
The Transformers Legends of the Microns "Linkage" manga (takes place at various points within the above cartoon's events)
Transformers: Super Link anime
Transformers: Galaxy Force anime

Movies

Transformers (2007 movie)
Transformers: Revenge
Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen: Unite for the Universe manga
Transformers: Darkside Moon

Animated

Transformers: Animated anime (Japanese dub)

by **Wing Saber II** » Mon Jul 11, 2011 7:07 pm

Sabrblade wrote:Generation 1/Beast Era
64 Cybertron Urban Defense Robot GADEP manga
Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers episode 1 (from the beginning of the episode to the crash-landing on Earth)
Beast Wars: Super Lifeform Transformers episodes 1-21
Transformers: Beast Wars Diorama Story
Beast Wars: Super Lifeform Transformers epsisodes 22-26
Super Lifeform Transformers: Beast Wars Metals episodes 1-7
Beast Wars Special: Super Lifeform Transformers – Beast Wars: Super Lifeform Transformers ~ Metals (movie)
Super Lifeform Transformers: Beast Wars Metals episodes 8-16
Beast Wars: Super Lifeform Transformers ~ Metals – Convoy's Great Transformation! (movie)
Super Lifeform Transformers: Beast Wars Metals episodes 17-26
3 million years (4 million after the original crash-landing, though) later...
The Transformers: Micromaster chapters 1-5
Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers episode 1 (from the awakening on Earth to the end of the episode) to 74
Decepticon Leader Megatron Black Ver. manga (actually takes place somewhere within the above cartoon's events)
Decepticon Aerospace Warrior Sunstorm manga (actually takes place somewhere within the above cartoon's events)
Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers manga
Scramble City: Mobilization
Transformers: The Stargate Battles manga
Transformers: Car Robots
e-Hobby Crosscut's toy bio
Super Spy Changers catalog
The Story of Binaltech comes into play here, along with the Binaltech Asterisk Story, but it eventually branches off into its own splinter timeline, in which it is followed by Alternity.
RobotMasters fiction
Information Administration Teletraan 15 Go! Go! manga
e-Hobby Clamp Down's toy bio and Deep Cover's toy bio
The Transformers: The Movie (Japanese dub)
Transformers: Kiss Players radio drama and manga
Pepsi Convoy's toy bio (actually takes place somewhere within the above radio drama's early events)
Transformers: Kiss Players Position radio drama
Transformers: Music Label
Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers 2010
The Story of Super Robot Lifeforms: The Transformers manga (actually takes place at various points within the above cartoon's early events)
The Great Transformer War manga issues 1-2 (actually take place at various points within the above cartoon's later events)
The Great Transformer War manga issue 3 (takes place after the 2010 cartoon)
Transformers: The Headmasters
Transformers: The Headmasters manga issues 1-6 and "Great Decisive Battle of Planet Beast!" special issue (all take place at various points within the above cartoon's events)
Transformers: The Headmasters manga issue 8 (takes place after The Headmasters cartoon; issue 7 is out of continuity with the cartoon)
Transformers: Super-God Masterforce
Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers: Victory
HERO SET toy packaging blurb
Transformers: Zone catalog story page 1 (catalog story page 2 is out of continuity)
Transformers: Zone story pages 1-3
Transformers: Zone episode OR manga chapter (both tell different versions of the same story)
Transformers: Zone story pages 4-12
Transformers: Return of Convoy - The Battlestars story pages 1-6
Transformers: Return of Convoy - The Battlestars manga chapter
Transformers: Return of Convoy - The Battlestars story pages 7-10
Transformers: Operation Combination story pages
Nucleon Quest Super Convoy's toy bio
Transformers: G-2 manga and story pages
According to at least one timeline table, Machine Wars occurs after G-2, which is then followed by e-Hobby Black Starscream's toy bio, but this timeline shows them going in a different direction than what ultimately would lead to the Beast Series. And so, apparently, another splinter timeline branches off from here.
e-Hobby Galvatron II's toy bio
e-Hobby Laser Ultra Magnus's toy bio
e-Hobby Hybrid Style Convoy Black Version manga
Masterpiece Convoy Black Version's toy bio
MP-1B Cybertron Commander / Convoy Black Ver. manga
MP-3G Destron Air Commander / Starscream Ghost Ver. manga
Approximately 300 years later comes the future from which the Beast Wars cast hails from.
Super Lifeform Transformers: Beast Wars Returns
Beast Wars Reborn
Tens of thousands of years later...
Beast Wars II: Super Lifeform Transformers
The Maximal Brainwashing Operation manga (seems to take place at some point during the above cartoon's events)
Beast Wars Special: Super Lifeform Transformers - Lio Convoy in Imminent Danger! (takes place at some point between episodes 32 and 38 of the above cartoon)
Super Lifeform Transformers: Beast Wars Neo

Unicron Trilogy
Super Robot Lifeform Transformers: Legends of the Microns
The Transformers Legends of the Microns "Linkage" manga (takes place at various points within the above cartoon's events)
Transformers: Super Link
Transformers: Galaxy Force

Movies/Animated
Transformers: Animated (Japanese dub)
Transformers (2007 movie)
Transformers: Revenge
Unite for the Universe manga
Transformers: Darkside Moon