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Which series do you consider to be "canon?" (cartoon and/or comic)

Postby Delicon » Mon Jan 30, 2012 12:30 pm

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Transformers history is a wacky thing. In the 1980's it seemed pretty simple as there was only the one show, although the Marvel comic definitely had some major differences. Beast Wars followed in the mid to late 90's and actually did a nice job creating new characters and backstory while staying pretty darn true to the G1 80's incarnations. Since then though, there have been a lot of different "Transformers Universes" and even when you're talking about something like the G1-verse, the Japanese cartoons and Dreamwave and IDW comics have spun that lore on its head at times.

My question is, in your own opinion, what Transformers cartoons or comics do you think represent the "real story" or the "primary universe?"

For me, as a child of G1, I still consider the old Sunbow cartoon to be the definitive source of what is "true and real" about Transformers. Sure, some aspects may seem a little goofy looking back now but for me the G1 cartoon is the real thing, along with Beast Wars because it stayed pretty true to that story and direction. I enjoyed the Marvel comic as well but between the 2 different writers and the fact that they had to tapdance around the animated movie, I felt the storyline spun into too many different directions at times.

When I see the modern stuff, even the stuff based on G1, I sometimes feel they take way too many liberties on it. For instance, since when is Galvatron a totally different Transformer from Megatron? There are a lot more, but that's just one example.

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Re: Which series do you consider to be "canon?" (cartoon and/or comic)

Postby TulioDude » Mon Jan 30, 2012 1:47 pm

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I consider everthing that Hasbro or Takara release canon,but each in their own continuity:the cartoon is the cartoon,the comics are the comics and IDW continuity is their own.
But in my opinion both the cartoon and Marvel comics are good,but sice comics presents concepts that have not appeared in the cartoon i would consider that to be the "main" one.
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Re: Which series do you consider to be "canon?" (cartoon and/or comic)

Postby Chaoslock » Mon Jan 30, 2012 2:36 pm

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All of them are canon to me, but they are in separate continuities - though my personal favourite is Marvel US G1 comics.
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Re: Which series do you consider to be "canon?" (cartoon and/or comic)

Postby Slashercon » Mon Jan 30, 2012 8:59 pm

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As others have stated before, they are all canon. Just in their own continuities.
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Re: Which series do you consider to be "canon?" (cartoon and/or comic)

Postby Blurrz » Mon Jan 30, 2012 9:23 pm

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Re: Which series do you consider to be "canon?" (cartoon and/or comic)

Postby Delicon » Mon Jan 30, 2012 10:16 pm

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I agree that in some instances you can just say "well, in an alternate universe it was like this" but some things, like who created the Transformers, etc. aren't exactly things that should be greatly varying from one to the other.
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Re: Which series do you consider to be "canon?" (cartoon and/or comic)

Postby Sabrblade » Tue Jan 31, 2012 12:38 am

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For the longest time, I was a cartoon's-only thinker. As a kid, I was under the false belief that whatever happened in the cartoons and movies mattered, and that the comics/books/video games/etc. were of little importance.

BOY was I stupid wrong! I missed out on SO MUCH thinking that. :oops:

But even when I thought that, I still knew that RiD and the Unicron Trilogy (the Movies weren't yet out at that time) were separate universes from the G1/Beast Era cartoons. I just took those three universe as being the main ones, despite their being three instead of one.

Now, I know wholeheartedly that that simply isn't the case. There isn't one or three or any specific number of true continuities in the Transformers canon (though, they've counted as high as 75,890,008 ;) ), but millions and millions! And all of which hold weight to their validity in the canon.

Basically, anything made by or under the license of Hasbro and/or TakaraTomy is canon. There may be a few other exceptions to this, but that's how it is.

Delicon wrote:Transformers history is a wacky thing. In the 1980's it seemed pretty simple as there was only the one show, although the Marvel comic definitely had some major differences.
Especially consdering how it came first ad outlived the cartoon by four years. ;)

Delicon wrote:I enjoyed the Marvel comic as well but between the 2 different writers and the fact that they had to tapdance around the animated movie, I felt the storyline spun into too many different directions at times.
It was well more coherent a story than the cartoon was.

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Delicon wrote:For instance, since when is Galvatron a totally different Transformer from Megatron? There are a lot more, but that's just one example.
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Blurrz wrote:To me, everything is game... it's all part of the Transformers multiverse.
Not the Aligned stuff (WFC/Exodus/Prime/Exiles/FOC/etc.). It's "outside" the multiverse (but still canon). ;)

Delicon wrote:I agree that in some instances you can just say "well, in an alternate universe it was like this" but some things, like who created the Transformers, etc. aren't exactly things that should be greatly varying from one to the other.
Different worlds can have differing mechanics. Though, Primus is still credited as being the TF's creator-god throughout the multitude of continuities. The Quints in the cartoon can still be the ones who built them, but also could have been unknowingly doing exactly what Primus wanted by building the TFs. :-B
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Re: Which series do you consider to be "canon?" (cartoon and/or comic)

Postby Delicon » Tue Jan 31, 2012 8:58 am

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Re: Which series do you consider to be "canon?" (cartoon and/or comic)

Postby DrLegend » Tue Jan 31, 2012 10:28 am

I always like to consider the G1 cartoon/Beast Wars as the main story with everything else a veritable "spin-off" of it. And that's not to say a spin-off is a bad thing but so far all of the shows have pulled from the original G1 show as a source of inspiration for the newer version.

After watching all of the episodes of Transformers Prime, I was very pleasantly surprised. It reminded me of the G1 stories in a lot of ways and in others it stood on its own. For me, that's very validating because it almost feels like they took my childhood, updated it, and repackaged it all nice, new, and shiny.
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Re: Which series do you consider to be "canon?" (cartoon and/or comic)

Postby Sabrblade » Tue Jan 31, 2012 11:46 am

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DrLegend wrote:I always like to consider the G1 cartoon/Beast Wars as the main story with everything else a veritable "spin-off" of it. And that's not to say a spin-off is a bad thing but so far all of the shows have pulled from the original G1 show as a source of inspiration for the newer version.
Having finally sat down and read all of the Marvel G1 stuff, I now see more references to it in later cartoons than I see references to the Sunbow cartoon. At least, in regards to the cosmological and religious aspects (i.e. - the Primus/Unicron myth and such).

DrLegend wrote:After watching all of the episodes of Transformers Prime, I was very pleasantly surprised. It reminded me of the G1 stories in a lot of ways and in others it stood on its own. For me, that's very validating because it almost feels like they took my childhood, updated it, and repackaged it all nice, new, and shiny.
Even though it seems to make more callbacks to post-G1 material? Image
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