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Re: Which series do you consider to be "canon?" (cartoon and/or comic)

Postby Sabrblade » Wed Feb 01, 2012 10:46 am

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Re: Which series do you consider to be "canon?" (cartoon and/or comic)

Postby RK_Striker_JK_5 » Wed Feb 01, 2012 10:46 am

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Re: Which series do you consider to be "canon?" (cartoon and/or comic)

Postby Delicon » Wed Feb 01, 2012 10:54 am

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Delicon wrote:Btw, it's funny how the TCC comics reference War Dawn one moment and War Within the next, like the 2 somehow jive.
Huh? They do what? :???:


In the Elite Guard stories, they have Dion as a character which obviously is a reference to War Dawn. In the Shattered Glass stories, they mention how SG Optimus was Optotronix from War Within. Correct me if I'm wrong (which I know you will) but they have also tied both comic threads into their Classicsverse universe. One doesn't work with the other.
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Re: Which series do you consider to be "canon?" (cartoon and/or comic)

Postby Sabrblade » Wed Feb 01, 2012 11:07 am

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Delicon wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
Delicon wrote:Btw, it's funny how the TCC comics reference War Dawn one moment and War Within the next, like the 2 somehow jive.
Huh? They do what? :???:


In the Elite Guard stories, they have Dion as a character which obviously is a reference to War Dawn. In the Shattered Glass stories, they mention how SG Optimus was Optotronix from War Within. Correct me if I'm wrong (which I know you will) but they have also tied both comic threads into their Classicsverse universe. One doesn't work with the other.
Oh, now I see what's going on. See, the Elite Guard ones take place in a world, the "Wings Universe" if you will, that based on the G1 cartoon's past.

Whereas the Shattered Glass comics take place in another world that, while making references to several G1 stuff, is mostly an inverse of the Classics comics world, which itself is a splinter timeline of the Marvel G1 comics.

The TCC fiction takes place in multiple continuities, hence it being called "Transformers: Timelines". Of the worlds we've seen in that fiction, we've seen...
  • The Cybertron cartoon
  • An intermediate point in time between G1 and the Beast Era (but set in its own world)
  • The Beast Era
  • The Classicverse (itself splintered off from the Marvel G1 comics)
  • The world of TransTech
  • The Shatteredverse
  • The Wings Universe (both the past and the future)
  • The Animated cartoon

Some of the stories are connected, but those that span multiple continuities do so via characters dimension-hopping.
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Re: Which series do you consider to be "canon?" (cartoon and/or comic)

Postby Mat001 » Fri Feb 03, 2012 5:22 pm

In terms of stories, I keep them separate which they are. But if certain stories from other points work well in some form, then I'm all for that. I like that the origin for Deszaras/Deathsaurus in the "Wings Of Honor" series works well with "Victory" and can easily see them interlocked. I like that Primus and Unicron are the origins of the Transformers, but I also like the Quintessons and like the combined aspects.
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Re: Which series do you consider to be "canon?" (cartoon and/or comic)

Postby Judge Deliberata » Sat Feb 11, 2012 12:09 am

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As someone said: Everything's canon. I of course grew up with the cartoon as a kid, so when I think of G1 TF, it's the first image that comes to mind. Nothing wrong with that.

But when Titan put out all of the Marvel series in TPB form, of which I had never read more than a select few issues back during my youth, I felt like a kid again, discovering them for the first time. I wished (and still do) for a world in which Sunbow and Marvel Comics had worked together to make some elements common across both depictions; I would have loved to see Shockwave get a few cartoon episodes trying to usurp control from Megatron, or Buster Witwicky being introduced, just as I would have liked to see Quintessons in the Marvel US comic, and some real presence for most of the season 3 cast (though of course we have Marvel UK for that).

While I have a respect for Headmasters and beyond, I just can't watch them and think of them as continuations of the same cartoon I grew up with; it just feels too different. The most I can say is they're outside of my "personal canon". It ends with Rebirth for me (and then of course rewinds with Beast Wars!).
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Re: Which series do you consider to be "canon?" (cartoon and/or comic)

Postby Sabrblade » Sat Feb 11, 2012 12:17 am

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Judge Deliberata wrote:While I have a respect for Headmasters and beyond, I just can't watch them and think of them as continuations of the same cartoon I grew up with; it just feels too different. The most I can say is they're outside of my "personal canon". It ends with Rebirth for me (and then of course rewinds with Beast Wars!).
Well, it's a good thing that Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers and Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers 2010 aren't the same exact shows as The Transformers. ;)
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Re: Which series do you consider to be "canon?" (cartoon and/or comic)

Postby Tuxedo Mark » Mon Feb 13, 2012 8:52 am

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They all happened. They just happened "over there".
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Re: Which series do you consider to be "canon?" (cartoon and/or comic)

Postby Sabrblade » Mon Feb 13, 2012 9:57 am

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Tuxedo Mark wrote:They all happened. They just happened "over there".
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Re: Which series do you consider to be "canon?" (cartoon and/or comic)

Postby Dagon » Tue Feb 14, 2012 4:06 pm

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I more or less build my own canon out of what I like from different continuities and what seems to make sense together. For instance, I'm not a fan of the movies, so I can just write that stuff out of my personal canon, while including elements I do like. Sentinal Prime is fairly cool, so his DOTM incarnation is the one a young Megatron kills at the end of Origin, which then beings the War Within, through to G1 but stopping after The Rebirth and then having BW/BM as the ending point. Various things like the Club fiction or IDW/DW comics fill in spaces between shows, like the DW G1 series that ended with Sunstorm and all of that fills gaps in the G1 show or are things that happen around the events of the show.
I don't know, it's complicated to explain but it makes pretty good sense to me, and then I can ignore the stupid parts of the fiction insomuch as I know they exist and I know what they entail, but I don't have to try reconciling them with the parts I do like.
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Re: Which series do you consider to be "canon?" (cartoon and/or comic)

Postby Shadowman » Tue Feb 14, 2012 5:24 pm

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Dagon wrote:I more or less build my own canon


That's fanon, not canon. Big difference. Fanon is personal, canon is official.

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Re: Which series do you consider to be "canon?" (cartoon and/or comic)

Postby Dagon » Tue Feb 14, 2012 7:05 pm

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Shadowman wrote:
Dagon wrote:I more or less build my own canon


That's fanon, not canon. Big difference. Fanon is personal, canon is official.



Well then, in response to the question posed by the thread, I suppose my canon is my own personal fanon.
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Re: Which series do you consider to be "canon?" (cartoon and/or comic)

Postby Shadowman » Wed Feb 15, 2012 2:52 am

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Dagon wrote:
Shadowman wrote:
Dagon wrote:I more or less build my own canon


That's fanon, not canon. Big difference. Fanon is personal, canon is official.



Well then, in response to the question posed by the thread, I suppose my canon is my own personal fanon.


Well, of course your personal canon is fanon, that's how fanon works. Like I said, canon is official, fanon is, as the name suggest, unofficial and made by fans.
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Re: Which series do you consider to be "canon?" (cartoon and/or comic)

Postby Dagon » Wed Feb 15, 2012 10:22 am

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Shadowman wrote:
Dagon wrote:
Shadowman wrote:
Dagon wrote:I more or less build my own canon


That's fanon, not canon. Big difference. Fanon is personal, canon is official.



Well then, in response to the question posed by the thread, I suppose my canon is my own personal fanon.


Well, of course your personal canon is fanon, that's how fanon works. Like I said, canon is official, fanon is, as the name suggest, unofficial and made by fans.



Just in case we're being far too literal here, I understand the difference between the two. I'm saying that I treat my own constructed canon, or "fanon" in the parlance of our time, as superceeding what is "Official canon." I am aware of the "official" canon and am able to use it in conversation with others, but I'm more interested in my own version, mainly because I'm a thug like that.
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Re: Which series do you consider to be "canon?" (cartoon and/or comic)

Postby Marcdachamp » Wed Feb 15, 2012 12:14 pm

Well, I like the whole tapestry of the Transformers Universe. I love the multiple continuities. I'm a big fan of the '07 movie continuity, Armada, Animated and Beast Wars.

As far as G1 goes, my "canon" would be the UK comic. It blends elements from the G1 comic (which I grew up on) and the classic movie, while phasing out silly things like Primacron. In my opinion, that's the best of the G1 continuities. I really love what IDW has done with the brand, though.
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Re: Which series do you consider to be "canon?" (cartoon and/or comic)

Postby Delicon » Wed Feb 15, 2012 2:11 pm

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Marcdachamp wrote:As far as G1 goes, my "canon" would be the UK comic. It blends elements from the G1 comic (which I grew up on) and the classic movie, while phasing out silly things like Primacron. In my opinion, that's the best of the G1 continuities.


Am I the only one who thinks Furman's UK work is far better than his US work?
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Re: Which series do you consider to be "canon?" (cartoon and/or comic)

Postby Va'al » Wed Feb 15, 2012 3:56 pm

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Re: Which series do you consider to be "canon?" (cartoon and/or comic)

Postby RK_Striker_JK_5 » Wed Feb 15, 2012 8:44 pm

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Re: Which series do you consider to be "canon?" (cartoon and/or comic)

Postby Sabrblade » Thu Feb 16, 2012 8:42 pm

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Delicon wrote:
Marcdachamp wrote:As far as G1 goes, my "canon" would be the UK comic. It blends elements from the G1 comic (which I grew up on) and the classic movie, while phasing out silly things like Primacron. In my opinion, that's the best of the G1 continuities.


Am I the only one who thinks Furman's UK work is far better than his US work?
I personally think it was mostly just as good as his U.S. G1 work. Though, his best stories above all, IMO, were "The Legacy of Unicron", "Target: 2006", and "Time Wars".

Though, I still don't get why he had to write out his UK Megatron as being a fake. He could have had Megatron's return in the U.S. run say that he was blown by the Space Bridge to a location on Earth, and decided to lay low for a while before eventually returning to Cybertron. Unless there was some internal reason for it, he didn't need to write off UK Megatron as being a Straxus-made clone and bring in a second Megatron as the real one.
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Re: Which series do you consider to be "canon?" (cartoon and/or comic)

Postby craggy » Sat Feb 18, 2012 4:55 pm

the Straxus clone was fun though
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Re: Which series do you consider to be "canon?" (cartoon and/or comic)

Postby Sabrblade » Sat Feb 18, 2012 4:59 pm

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craggy wrote:the Straxus clone was fun though
Yeah, but the post-Time Wars future shows a Galvatron made from the Straxus clone instead of the real Megatron.
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