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I was very upset, still am. The whole movie was so wrong on so many levels. Ultra violent, smutty, humourless. It should not have carried the Transformers name, if it was called 'Robot Maniac Attack' it would have been passable as a summer timewaster. Sentinel Prime sell out to the Decepticons? Yeah,right, & Obi Wan just went over to the Dark side!!!

dylansdad wrote:I was very upset, still am. The whole movie was so wrong on so many levels. Ultra violent, smutty, humourless. It should not have carried the Transformers name, if it was called 'Robot Maniac Attack' it would have been passable as a summer timewaster. Sentinel Prime sell out to the Decepticons? Yeah,right, & Obi Wan just went over to the Dark side!!!

So your equating Sentinel Prime with Obi Wan???

Thats a big stretch.

Sorry,should have been Qui Jon,, & Optimus as Obi Wan.Don't you get what I'm on about? In all the cartoon series,from G1 to Animated, the Autobot leaders have always been noble & compassionate,I can't remember them ever killing an unarmed,injured opponent.

dylansdad wrote:Sorry,should have been Qui Jon,, & Optimus as Obi Wan.

I still dont see the comparison.But that doesnt matter.

Don't you get what I'm on about? In all the cartoon series,from G1 to Animated, the Autobot leaders have always been noble & compassionate,I can't remember them ever killing an unarmed,injured opponent.

I get what your talking about but it seems your only useing the toons as a refrance, which is quit limiting.

The toons need to be marketed twards kids, so they arent going to show the realities of war.

The comics on the other hand.............

Rodimus Primes shoots and kills an injured unarmed opponent.




Thats from the G1 Marvel comics.

Sorry,my point of reference is the cartoons,I have never read the comics.I think the main issue that bothers me is:Transformers were created by Hasbro,wonderful toys aimed at boys,5 to 12 years old(by then we discover girls & the toys get forgotten!)Bay's movies are obviously aimed at teens to mature men,way too violent & sexualized for the original,younger audience.I took my 10 yr old son to see it, not really aware of the content(read a few reviews beforehand,no mention of extreme violence).The poor little guy was nearly in tears,people exploding,blood & guts flying everywhere,& afterwards,the questions."Why did Optimus kill Megatron after he helped him? Why did all the people die?"etc,etc. I have always used the cartoons as a moral guide for my son,they were something we could enjoy & relate to together.I feel betrayed.

dylansdad wrote:Sorry,my point of reference is the cartoons,I have never read the comics.I think the main issue that bothers me is:Transformers were created by Hasbro,wonderful toys aimed at boys,5 to 12 years old(by then we discover girls & the toys get forgotten!)Bay's movies are obviously aimed at teens to mature men,way too violent & sexualized for the original,younger audience.I took my 10 yr old son to see it, not really aware of the content(read a few reviews beforehand,no mention of extreme violence).The poor little guy was nearly in tears,people exploding,blood & guts flying everywhere,& afterwards,the questions."Why did Optimus kill Megatron after he helped him? Why did all the people die?"etc,etc. I have always used the cartoons as a moral guide for my son,they were something we could enjoy & relate to together.I feel betrayed.

I'm sorry you feel betrayed, and I'm not a fan of the Bay TF films, but I'm not sure why you were shocked by the violent & sexualized nature of this last film.

I mean really?After the first 2 films of the series, with all the sex jokes and violence you were really surprised by the same from the 3rd film?

Sorry if this sounds rude but.........Seems to me that if you son want ready for that type of images its something you should have researched before going to the movies.

The "PG" stands for Parental Guidance.

dylansdad wrote: Sorry,my point of reference is the cartoons,I have never read the comics.I think the main issue that bothers me is:Transformers were created by Hasbro,wonderful toys aimed at boys,5 to 12 years old(by then we discover girls & the toys get forgotten!)Bay's movies are obviously aimed at teens to mature men,way too violent & sexualized for the original,younger audience.I took my 10 yr old son to see it, not really aware of the content(read a few reviews beforehand,no mention of extreme violence).The poor little guy was nearly in tears,people exploding,blood & guts flying everywhere,& afterwards,the questions."Why did Optimus kill Megatron after he helped him? Why did all the people die?"etc,etc. I have always used the cartoons as a moral guide for my son,they were something we could enjoy & relate to together.I feel betrayed.

I think the main point sto_vo_kor_2000 was making is Optimus Prime's "Behavior" is nothing new in TF. You just haven't seen it till now.
I am a fan of the movies, but i do understand where your coming from. I'd love to take my nephew to see DOTM, but being 9 himself, i know its not for his age bracket. SO for time being, we watch TF: Prime instead.
You say you did research before hand.... yet you didn't find any reviews stating about the violence. Not sure were you read your reviews because the violence aspect as well as Optimus Primes behavior seems to be the main focus of nearly every critic review. (That and the 3D). But to be honest, you don't need to look any further than the rating system. Its rated PG-13 for a reason. Not to be rude myself, but as a parent, the PG-13 should of sent up an immediate red flag. And like sto_vo_kor_2000 said; considering the last two movies, you can't honestly say your surprised by DOTM. If you hadn't seen them and if you say you couldn't find an reviews, then i might have been a good idea to view them so you had a good idea to what you were taking your son to.
I can understand using cartoons as a moral guide. There made for kids, marketed for kids. The movies are made for the general audience and marketed as so.

5150 Cruiser wrote: I think the main point sto_vo_kor_2000 was making is Optimus Prime's "Behavior" is nothing new in TF. You just haven't seen it till now.

exactly.

Disregard this post. I let my inner troll take over.

dylansdad wrote:Sorry,my point of reference is the cartoons,I have never read the comics.I think the main issue that bothers me is:Transformers were created by Hasbro,wonderful toys aimed at boys,5 to 12 years old(by then we discover girls & the toys get forgotten!)Bay's movies are obviously aimed at teens to mature men,way too violent & sexualized for the original,younger audience.I took my 10 yr old son to see it, not really aware of the content(read a few reviews beforehand,no mention of extreme violence).The poor little guy was nearly in tears,people exploding,blood & guts flying everywhere,& afterwards,the questions."Why did Optimus kill Megatron after he helped him? Why did all the people die?"etc,etc. I have always used the cartoons as a moral guide for my son,they were something we could enjoy & relate to together.I feel betrayed.

Who cares? They're damn robots. I can relate to movie Optimus and I applaud his brutality. I cant stand TF Prime Optimus.

Watched the first two movies again over the weekend to get my act together.Sure,people died,but a young man doesn't tend to equate buidings,jets,cars exploding to people dying.In DOTM people were exploding(blood,guts,gore)in the foreground(thank **** we didn't see the 3D version!).I DID read rewiews,"what a blast,better than the others,etc,etc".No mention of people exloding! And I stand by my disgust of what Bay did to Optimus Prime. Heroes MUST be beyond reproach(Spiderman,Batman,Yoda,beware the darkside,anger,).They MUST be something to aspire to. When you start cold bloodedly killing unarmed,injured opponents,you become as bad as the oppressor.The scene where the autobots had been captured,& Shockwave got the word to "take no prisoners",made me cringe!Bay had Optimus do exactly the same thing!!!!!What the !!!!! NOT killing is a good thing,an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. What,,,he couldn't get Optimus to beat the crap out of the Decipticons,then convince them to change sides, he couldn't get Optimus to kick Megatron in the arse(after he saved him from Sentinal) & tell him to **** off back to Cybertron??? It could have been SO much better,so easily. And don't get me started on what he did to Starscream!!! Bay is a ****,,I hope someone like Burton takes the reigns for the next installment.

I need to watch DOTM again,bought the DVD in Bali 3 weeks ago,didn't watch it,(although my young bloke harrassed me daily since,didn't want to spoil the big screen experience),probably should have!!!!

dylansdad wrote: And I stand by my disgust of what Bay did to Optimus Prime. Heroes MUST be beyond reproach(Spiderman,Batman,Yoda,beware the darkside,anger,).

Wow, I cant believe you just said "Heroes MUST be beyond reproach" and then cite Spiderman & Batman as if they fit the definition of being "beyond reproach".

Are you aware that in their long publication histories, Both Batman and spiderman have killed some of their enemies?

Spiderman didnt in the films, But Batman has.

hope someone like Burton takes the reigns for the next installment.

Burton's Batman killed.

I have a big truck, a cherry picker(elevating work platform)with an autobot logo on the nose,we call him 'Loftimus Prime',my car has Autobot logos front & rear, Autobot Rio, I've constantly tried to show my young bloke 'the right way' to live, I've used Optimus Prime as our example.In ALL the toons, he is honourable & compassionate to a fault. Now I'm sad.

You still don't get it,, Life is precious,irrespective of what they've done. The moment we lower ourselves to their lows,we become just as bad. Who the heck did Batman kill?? Trying to think,,did he do it knowingly? Or was it by inaction, or direct action? & Rodimus Prime is a bad example of thoughtless brutality,,just a soldier thrust into authority b4 he was ready.

dylansdad wrote:You still don't get it,, Life is precious,irrespective of what they've done. The moment we lower ourselves to their lows,we become just as bad.

No, you dont get it.

Your passing off your opinions about the mater as facts.Fine, I get it, you didnt like it, you were disapointed.

None of that makes it wrong.

Who the heck did Batman kill??

A few in the comics in the almost 72 years of comics

In the films, lets just say Burtons 2 films, one guy he was fighting in the bell tower in the first film, in the 2nd film he killed one of Penguins gang members.

Trying to think,,did he do it knowingly?

certinly

Or was it by inaction, or direct action?

In delibrate direct action.

& Rodimus Prime is a bad example of thoughtless brutality,,just a soldier thrust into authority b4 he was ready.

Again, your confusing the toon and the comics.

comic Rodimus didnt have the same problems.

Comic Rodimus is a perfect example.

Hey,, st_vo_kor, you mention earlier in our discussion that you're "not a fan of the Bay films". What's your problem with them?

I did like the film,,,just thought it crossed the line.

dylansdad wrote:Hey,, st_vo_kor, you mention earlier in our discussion that you're "not a fan of the Bay films". What's your problem with them?

My biggest complaint is that I feel they were badly written with very poor plots.

I dont like the designs much either.

Three double posts in a row. Seibertron has an edit button for a reason, you know.

and it sits well with you that Optimus Prime is totally ruthless(ala Bin Laden) & Starscream is a blithering idiot, & Sentinal Prime is a wretched turncoat ???? Bad writing???? The whole thing sucks dog balls man!!!! not to mention our puny ,insect weapons do so much damage!!! I'm certain you,,or I,, would do the Transformers legend proud!!!!

dylansdad wrote:and it sits well with you that Optimus Prime is totally ruthless(ala Bin Laden) & Starscream is a blithering idiot, & Sentinal Prime is a wretched turncoat ???? Bad writing???? The whole thing sucks dog balls man!!!! not to mention our puny ,insect weapons do so much damage!!! I'm certain you,,or I,, would do the Transformers legend proud!!!!

Your comparison of Optimus Prime with Bin Laden is a poor one.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

dylansdad wrote:and it sits well with you that Optimus Prime is totally ruthless(ala Bin Laden) & Starscream is a blithering idiot, & Sentinal Prime is a wretched turncoat ???? Bad writing???? The whole thing sucks dog balls man!!!! not to mention our puny ,insect weapons do so much damage!!! I'm certain you,,or I,, would do the Transformers legend proud!!!!

Your comparison of Optimus Prime with Bin Laden is a poor one.

Yes, Optimus is more like Seal Team 6 and Bin Laden is Megatron.

dylansdad wrote:I have a big truck, a cherry picker(elevating work platform)with an autobot logo on the nose,we call him 'Loftimus Prime',my car has Autobot logos front & rear, Autobot Rio, I've constantly tried to show my young bloke 'the right way' to live, I've used Optimus Prime as our example.In ALL the toons, he is honourable & compassionate to a fault. Now I'm sad.

1.- This is not a cartoon. This is a live action movie rated PG-13.

2.- You say you saw reviews.. What about the PG-13 rating? It says right in the description that there are intense action scene and violence. So please don't act like you had no warning.

3.- And sorry if this seems harsh. You say you use Optimus Prime as an example for your son. how about you be the example? Optimus is a fictional character who will always be under the control of someone else. I don't have kids, but the day i do, I'l be the one rasiing them. Not a fictional cartoon character.

4.- You blame Bay? To be honest, some of the blame goes to this fandom. We asked for a darker toned more serious story. Well we got it. And now look. People still find things they don't like.

Directed by Michael bay
produced by Michael bay
Military hardon by Michael bay
noseberg throwing tons of money at the film till its better demanded by Michael bay
co-written by Michael bay

FFS if Michael bay could he would basically have a 3 hour film starring the US army which he loves to masterbate to so much about, THEN voice all the characters himself and write the script himself and add tons of pointless explosions and no plot

this is generally why people hold bay to account on why the films are so god awful and full of messed up mistakes

if you gave bay toilet paper and told him you use it to clean yourself after a no2...well even that asshole would get it wrong

Sorry guys,still struggling with'quoting'& all the other quirks of social media.Cruiser's last post,wait till you have kids man!!I used to be Catholic,but it turns out most priests are pedophiles,& the catholic CHURCH has killed thousands in the name off our Lord.This sucks.I have always tried to be an upstanding rolemodel for my son.I've always tried to teach him the Main rules of life,'forgive those that trespass against us,Life is precious,etc,etc,. Super Heroes are usually good to help enforce my beliefs, Optimus Prime(in the toons)embodied all things I tried to emphasize. Unfortunately the last Bay movie f#*ked me up the arse(I didn't like it,I'm straight!)And seriously,the people exploding in the foreground was gratuitous & unnessary. And upskirting the current wench as she walked up the stairs was distasteful & illegal in every state in Aus!(nice butt but!)

dylansdad wrote:Sorry guys,still struggling with'quoting'& all the other quirks of social media.Cruiser's last post,wait till you have kids man!!

I agree with everything he said, and I have 3 kids.

I used to be Catholic,but it turns out most priests are pedophiles,

Do you know how ignorant you just sounded?

"MOST Catholic priests are pedophiles"???

& the catholic CHURCH has killed thousands in the name off our Lord.

something shared by many religions.

Unfortunately the last Bay movie f#*ked me up the arse

He wasnt any different in the first 2 films, so I really dont see why you were so shocked.

And upskirting the current wench as she walked up the stairs was distasteful

So, you try to "be an upstanding role model for your son", teach him "the Main rules of life" and you feel up skirting a girl is "distasteful".

Yet, your ok with calling a woman a "WENCH" is ok?

I'm sorry but I think you have an odd view on whats an "upstanding role model" is.