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I've asked this proabably a dozen times now in various threads and no one has given a response. For those that hate/dislike the live action movies, you put majority of the blame on Bay, and a small fraction on the writers, but i have yet to see anyone hold Hasbro accountable for the end results of the movies. In the end, Hasbro owns Transformers. They will be selling the toys an its there products that are being represented on screen. evertthing from character designs, to character development, it all comes donw to hasbro giving the yay, or ney. Yes, i understand that bay and others throw in their idea's, but in the end, Hasbro is the one that will either succeed, or fail in the long run as a result of the movies. When ever they decide for a reboot, i would think directing some of those coments towards hasbro and telling them how you would like to see your favorite character represented on screen would go alot further then the director.

Does it matter? It's foolish to take the haters seriously since most of them are just butthurt geewunners.

MOST OF THEM.

NOT ALL.

Treetop Maximus wrote:Does it matter? It's foolish to take the haters seriously since most of them are just butthurt geewunners.

MOST OF THEM.

NOT ALL.

Where's you get that sig? I found others, but I wand that Bumblebee one.

And yes, I hate that everyone blames Bay. All he does is record what's written on paper, and turns words into visions.

Does Hasbro really have much control? I just thought they said. "Okay, Mike and Steve, we want a Transformers movie so we can make millions on our toys and assorted licensed merchandise. Here is some background information, TV series to watch, and some guidelines and limitations. The rest is up to you. Just make it successful. Now go."
Do they really have much more than this. I'm speaking as a huge fan of the movies, but I thought the film team itself made most of the decisions, and Hasbro just initiated the launch sequence.
If one feels the need to "blame", then blame freaking everyone that used any creativity, effort, or imagination in this thing.

OptiMagnus wrote:Does Hasbro really have much control? I just thought they said. "Okay, Mike and Steve, we want a Transformers movie so we can make millions on our toys and assorted licensed merchandise. Here is some background information, TV series to watch, and some guidelines and limitations. The rest is up to you. Just make it successful. Now go."
Do they really have much more than this. I'm speaking as a huge fan of the movies, but I thought the film team itself made most of the decisions, and Hasbro just initiated the launch sequence.
If one feels the need to "blame", then blame freaking everyone that used any creativity, effort, or imagination in this thing.

Oh, no. I'm a fan of the movies myself. Just that when those that don't like the film generaly put all the movie faults on Bay and after looking at the big picture, i don't think thats fair.

as far as hasbro's control, i don't believe thats how it went down. It couldn't have gone down that way. While yes, they are the experts on filming and such, at the end of the day, how the characters are portrayed and designs, hasbro has to aprove. I just don;t see them handing everything over to the film and production crew and entrusting them to make something good. Now as i said, i'm a fan of the movies. So if they did just hand over the relmes then i'm all good with that. But either way, you either have Hasbro to thank, or blame!

blame hasbro, some calls hasbro hitler, hasbro locks the transformers franchise for a hundred years, fans pay through the nose importing creating a booming transformer black market.

micheal bay is transformer's joe quesada and vince russo. everyone blames them even if it's not their fault.

5150 Cruiser wrote: Oh, no. I'm a fan of the movies myself. Just that when those that don't like the film generaly put all the movie faults on Bay and after looking at the big picture, i don't think thats fair.

as far as hasbro's control, i don't believe thats how it went down. It couldn't have gone down that way. While yes, they are the experts on filming and such, at the end of the day, how the characters are portrayed and designs, hasbro has to aprove. I just don;t see them handing everything over to the film and production crew and entrusting them to make something good. Now as i said, i'm a fan of the movies. So if they did just hand over the relmes then i'm all good with that. But either way, you either have Hasbro to thank, or blame!

Oh I know you're a fan, too. What I'm saying is that there is, from whichever view one has of the movie universe, multiple individuals/parties to either thank or blame.
But, of course every poster or advertisement for these movies doesn't say "A Hasbro film" or "Directed by Hasbro". While it's not fair at all to credit or blame everything on him, his name has been put out there, so people are going to naturally bring up his name. And, maybe, that's what Hasbro wants. That way, they don't get wrapped up in all the bashing, but still quietly make millions.

Treetop Maximus wrote:Does it matter? It's foolish to take the haters seriously since most of them are just butthurt geewunners.

MOST OF THEM.

NOT ALL.

well you have discounted yourself from any serious conversation


To blame Hasbro we need to know how much impact Hasbro had on the movies themselves. Did they have script approval, did they create personality templates to be adhered to, or did they jsut approve the physical design of the transformers.

Did they insist on all that time on human chararcters. Surely that would go against their marketing ploy, which should be more transformers time, more transformers time, less stupid semi retarded "adult" humour which will persuade parents to not bring their kids to the movies, kids, Hasbro's target market

shamone wrote:

Treetop Maximus wrote:Does it matter? It's foolish to take the haters seriously since most of them are just butthurt geewunners.

MOST OF THEM.

NOT ALL.

well you have discounted yourself from any serious conversation


To blame Hasbro we need to know how much impact Hasbro had on the movies themselves. Did they have script approval, did they create personality templates to be adhered to, or did they jsut approve the physical design of the transformers.

Did they insist on all that time on human chararcters. Surely that would go against their marketing ploy, which should be more transformers time, more transformers time, less stupid semi retarded "adult" humour which will persuade parents to not bring their kids to the movies, kids, Hasbro's target market

Treetop Maximus wrote:Does it matter? It's foolish to take the haters seriously since most of them are just butthurt geewunners.

MOST OF THEM.

NOT ALL.

Do you have anything to back up that claim?