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News Credits: 4 · by **SlyTF1** » Sun Jul 31, 2011 6:45 pm

dylansdad wrote:Sorry,my point of reference is the cartoons,I have never read the comics.I think the main issue that bothers me is:Transformers were created by Hasbro,wonderful toys aimed at boys,5 to 12 years old(by then we discover girls & the toys get forgotten!)Bay's movies are obviously aimed at teens to mature men,way too violent & sexualized for the original,younger audience.I took my 10 yr old son to see it, not really aware of the content(read a few reviews beforehand,no mention of extreme violence).The poor little guy was nearly in tears,people exploding,blood & guts flying everywhere,& afterwards,the questions."Why did Optimus kill Megatron after he helped him? Why did all the people die?"etc,etc. I have always used the cartoons as a moral guide for my son,they were something we could enjoy & relate to together.I feel betrayed.

Who cares? They're damn robots. I can relate to movie Optimus and I applaud his brutality. I cant stand TF Prime Optimus.

by **dylansdad** » Mon Aug 01, 2011 2:45 am

Watched the first two movies again over the weekend to get my act together.Sure,people died,but a young man doesn't tend to equate buidings,jets,cars exploding to people dying.In DOTM people were exploding(blood,guts,gore)in the foreground(thank **** we didn't see the 3D version!).I DID read rewiews,"what a blast,better than the others,etc,etc".No mention of people exloding! And I stand by my disgust of what Bay did to Optimus Prime. Heroes MUST be beyond reproach(Spiderman,Batman,Yoda,beware the darkside,anger,).They MUST be something to aspire to. When you start cold bloodedly killing unarmed,injured opponents,you become as bad as the oppressor.The scene where the autobots had been captured,& Shockwave got the word to "take no prisoners",made me cringe!Bay had Optimus do exactly the same thing!!!!!What the !!!!! NOT killing is a good thing,an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. What,,,he couldn't get Optimus to beat the crap out of the Decipticons,then convince them to change sides, he couldn't get Optimus to kick Megatron in the arse(after he saved him from Sentinal) & tell him to **** off back to Cybertron??? It could have been SO much better,so easily. And don't get me started on what he did to Starscream!!! Bay is a ****,,I hope someone like Burton takes the reigns for the next installment.

I need to watch DOTM again,bought the DVD in Bali 3 weeks ago,didn't watch it,(although my young bloke harrassed me daily since,didn't want to spoil the big screen experience),probably should have!!!!

News Credits: 1 · by **sto_vo_kor_2000** » Mon Aug 01, 2011 2:55 am

dylansdad wrote: And I stand by my disgust of what Bay did to Optimus Prime. Heroes MUST be beyond reproach(Spiderman,Batman,Yoda,beware the darkside,anger,).

Wow, I cant believe you just said "Heroes MUST be beyond reproach" and then cite Spiderman & Batman as if they fit the definition of being "beyond reproach".

Are you aware that in their long publication histories, Both Batman and spiderman have killed some of their enemies?

Spiderman didnt in the films, But Batman has.

hope someone like Burton takes the reigns for the next installment.

Burton's Batman killed.

by **dylansdad** » Mon Aug 01, 2011 3:29 am

I have a big truck, a cherry picker(elevating work platform)with an autobot logo on the nose,we call him 'Loftimus Prime',my car has Autobot logos front & rear, Autobot Rio, I've constantly tried to show my young bloke 'the right way' to live, I've used Optimus Prime as our example.In ALL the toons, he is honourable & compassionate to a fault. Now I'm sad.

You still don't get it,, Life is precious,irrespective of what they've done. The moment we lower ourselves to their lows,we become just as bad. Who the heck did Batman kill?? Trying to think,,did he do it knowingly? Or was it by inaction, or direct action? & Rodimus Prime is a bad example of thoughtless brutality,,just a soldier thrust into authority b4 he was ready.

News Credits: 1 · by **sto_vo_kor_2000** » Mon Aug 01, 2011 3:58 am

dylansdad wrote:You still don't get it,, Life is precious,irrespective of what they've done. The moment we lower ourselves to their lows,we become just as bad.

No, you dont get it.

Your passing off your opinions about the mater as facts.Fine, I get it, you didnt like it, you were disapointed.

None of that makes it wrong.

Who the heck did Batman kill??

A few in the comics in the almost 72 years of comics

In the films, lets just say Burtons 2 films, one guy he was fighting in the bell tower in the first film, in the 2nd film he killed one of Penguins gang members.

Trying to think,,did he do it knowingly?

certinly

Or was it by inaction, or direct action?

In delibrate direct action.

& Rodimus Prime is a bad example of thoughtless brutality,,just a soldier thrust into authority b4 he was ready.

Again, your confusing the toon and the comics.

comic Rodimus didnt have the same problems.

Comic Rodimus is a perfect example.

by **dylansdad** » Mon Aug 01, 2011 4:01 am

Hey,, st_vo_kor, you mention earlier in our discussion that you're "not a fan of the Bay films". What's your problem with them?

I did like the film,,,just thought it crossed the line.

News Credits: 1 · by **sto_vo_kor_2000** » Mon Aug 01, 2011 4:08 am

dylansdad wrote:Hey,, st_vo_kor, you mention earlier in our discussion that you're "not a fan of the Bay films". What's your problem with them?

My biggest complaint is that I feel they were badly written with very poor plots.

I dont like the designs much either.

by **Treetop Maximus** » Mon Aug 01, 2011 4:38 am

Three double posts in a row. Seibertron has an edit button for a reason, you know.

by **dylansdad** » Mon Aug 01, 2011 5:00 am

and it sits well with you that Optimus Prime is totally ruthless(ala Bin Laden) & Starscream is a blithering idiot, & Sentinal Prime is a wretched turncoat ???? Bad writing???? The whole thing sucks dog balls man!!!! not to mention our puny ,insect weapons do so much damage!!! I'm certain you,,or I,, would do the Transformers legend proud!!!!

News Credits: 1 · by **sto_vo_kor_2000** » Mon Aug 01, 2011 11:49 am

dylansdad wrote:and it sits well with you that Optimus Prime is totally ruthless(ala Bin Laden) & Starscream is a blithering idiot, & Sentinal Prime is a wretched turncoat ???? Bad writing???? The whole thing sucks dog balls man!!!! not to mention our puny ,insect weapons do so much damage!!! I'm certain you,,or I,, would do the Transformers legend proud!!!!

Your comparison of Optimus Prime with Bin Laden is a poor one.

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