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Treetop Maximus wrote:

shamone wrote:

Treetop Maximus wrote:The unique selling point is that they come wih humans, obviously. Hasbro is selling toys of humans under the Transformers brand name. Robots are not their main focus.

the USP of the tranformers movies are selling robot toys, thats hasbros goal.

the humans are just another way to sell a slightly different toy

Another way to sell something? Oh, kind of like a unique selling point, AMIRITE?

Stov, if it's not important, why mention it?

the point was that haasbro would prefer more robot time than human time, considering kids want to buy the robots

i dont remember seeing many action figures of the humans on their own

Treetop Maximus wrote:
Another way to sell something? Oh, kind of like a unique selling point, AMIRITE?

Stov, if it's not important, why mention it?

Are you directing a question at me?

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:There is no difference between refusing the man and deciding his voice didnt fit.

Hasbro wanted him to use Welker, they tried him out and said no.Thats a refusal.

Sorry, i just don't see it that way. Hasbro wanted him. Bay tried his voice (Just like Cullen) and it was decided that it wouldn't work. Thats not a refusal.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:thats nonsense, we can choose to blame who we want for what we want.

Ultimately sure. But its not intirely fair if you know said party isn't responisble. (This isn't directed at Bay or anyone in particular, just generalizing)

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:And since Bay gets most of the accolades from those that loved trhe films, then its logical he gets most of the blame from those that didnt like the films.

He was the driving force behind the creative teams for the films.

It was his vision, his messege, its a Michel Bay film, as it says in most of the promos, praise or blame,the credit is Bays.

Again, thats one of the points for this thread. To attempt to see how much say Hasbro had in promoting their product and presumably, their highiest grosing product to date.

shamone wrote:the last part i agree with

a lot of pro bay fans are all about gving him the credit and blaming other forces for the failure

So what about Non bay fans? Are you saying they never give Bay any credit for anything they like and asume that it must be the result of other parties intervining?
Do you hold Bay 100% responisble for the end result of the movies? If there are parts of the movie you like, no matter how small, then do you give Bay credit?

5150 Cruiser wrote:Sorry, i just don't see it that way. Hasbro wanted him. Bay tried his voice (Just like Cullen) and it was decided that it wouldn't work. Thats not a refusal.

Hasbro wanted him. Bay tried his voice (Just like Cullen) and it was decided that it wouldn't work. Thats is a refusal by definition.

Now you may feel its too strong a word, but it still applies.

Definition of REFUSAL

1: the act of refusing or denying
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/refusal

Ultimately sure. But its not intirely fair if you know said party isn't responisble. (This isn't directed at Bay or anyone in particular, just generalizing)

Well in this case the one being blame does bear the weight of the responsibility.

Again, thats one of the points for this thread. To attempt to see how much say Hasbro had in promoting their product and presumably, their highiest grosing product to date.

Again, its a Michel Bay film, based on a toyline.

5150 Cruiser wrote:Do you hold Bay 100% responisble for the end result of the movies?

For the most part Yes.

He was in the drivers seat.

Sure the writers and others were involved, but he ok'ed everything.

If there are parts of the movie you like, no matter how small, then do you give Bay credit?

yes

5150 Cruiser wrote:

shamone wrote:the last part i agree with

a lot of pro bay fans are all about gving him the credit and blaming other forces for the failure

So what about Non bay fans? Are you saying they never give Bay any credit for anything they like and asume that it must be the result of other parties intervining?
Do you hold Bay 100% responisble for the end result of the movies? If there are parts of the movie you like, no matter how small, then do you give Bay credit?

not at all, im saying nothing about non bay fans. im saying that most bay fans here look for any excuse for flaws in the movie other than blaming bay

i dont hold bay 100 per cent responsible for the movies. in my posts i have blamed spielberg and the producers and the scriptwriters.

shamone wrote:

5150 Cruiser wrote:

shamone wrote:the last part i agree with

a lot of pro bay fans are all about gving him the credit and blaming other forces for the failure

So what about Non bay fans? Are you saying they never give Bay any credit for anything they like and asume that it must be the result of other parties intervining?
Do you hold Bay 100% responisble for the end result of the movies? If there are parts of the movie you like, no matter how small, then do you give Bay credit?

not at all, im saying nothing about non bay fans. im saying that most bay fans here look for any excuse for flaws in the movie other than blaming bay

i dont hold bay 100 per cent responsible for the movies. in my posts i have blamed spielberg and the producers and the scriptwriters.

As long as you aknowledge the pengulum swings both ways. Non bay fans (just like Bay fans) have done their fair share pointing the finger were it didn't belong.

Has Bay ever even seen a TF cartoon? How the hell did he get it so wrong?? Optimus Prime a cold hearted murderer,that ruthlessly kills unarmed,injured opponents??? Yeah,right!! Starscream,, a seasoned warrior that has battled the Autobots for a thousand years,crying like a little girl when some insect pokes him in the eye???? Shit,,the Starscream I grew up with would've whipped out his sword and sliced Witwicky to pieces before he hit the freakin' ground!!! I hope Hasbro sells no toys, I certainly won't be buying any. This latest installment sucks balls bigtime,, grateful the latest cartoon series has stayed true.

Wow, you're pretty tense. Got off from the recharger with a wrong servo?

And no, I'm not kidding.