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Re: Worst Character Representation in Films

Postby zenosaurus_x » Sun Aug 14, 2011 10:44 pm

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Hm, I'd say Kway/WheelJack...I sometimes pronounce the "Que" like that for no reason...
That's probably the one time I prefer the G1 appearance over the movies, no wait, second. Not a big fan of The Fallen's design. It wasn't bad, but his bulky G1 design was better in my opinion.
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Re: Worst Character Representation in Films

Postby RhA » Mon Aug 15, 2011 12:31 am

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Dreamwave Fallen has a horrible design IMO. At first, I was really bummed it turned out to be 'that' the Fallen.

IMO Sideswipe is a massive fail. ALl the hype, none of the, well, anything. Yeah, he splits Sideways. That's about it.
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Re: Worst Character Representation in Films

Postby Bonecrusher27 » Mon Aug 15, 2011 5:00 am

Mizuno wrote:I guess you could at least have developed ONE more if bay would have less "sexy" shots of either mikeala or carly, and ONE more for any jokes like "wheelie humping mikaelas leg" or showing an "kitchen-former in roft with a penis cannon" left out, and ONE for the unnecessary explosions (some are fine, but half the film of it, is just bad).


Exactly what I felt but more for the transformer-centric shots.

Michael Bay commented on when they ran out of time, or money, and how he's really like to have done more, for example in the final battle in ROTF.

And then I watch the movies again, and I see pointless stuff like the kitchen scene, leg humping Wheelie, and others I'd rather forget, and I'm mentally calculating this time/money/animation could have been saved
for this, for that, etc.

I have nothing against the scene with Mikaela bending over though... because it doesn't waste CGI-animation money :lol:
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Re: Worst Character Representation in Films

Postby Rodimus Prime » Mon Aug 15, 2011 6:14 am

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Starscream.

Shitty design, shitty character, nonexistent development. Total waste of screen time and CGI.

Shockwave at least looked cool. And Devastator had 1 single good thing to him, his combination. Right after he was together, though, he went straight to hell.

But Starscream was already there.
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Re: Worst Character Representation in Films

Postby zenosaurus_x » Mon Aug 15, 2011 9:23 pm

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RhA wrote:Dreamwave Fallen has a horrible design IMO. At first, I was really bummed it turned out to be 'that' the Fallen.

IMO Sideswipe is a massive fail. ALl the hype, none of the, well, anything. Yeah, he splits Sideways. That's about it.


Eh I don't know I liked it. I don't dislike ROTF's Fallen anyways, it's just...different.
Oddly, everyone seems to dislike StarScream's design, I really like it.
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Re: Worst Character Representation in Films

Postby Slashercon » Mon Aug 15, 2011 11:43 pm

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I cant decide, so i'm going to use a chart:

Worst Character Development: Megatron, Starscream, Jazz, Mirage.
Worst Screentime: Three way Tie between The Fallen (main antagonists my...), Shockwave, and Megatron
Worst Altmode: Alice (pretenders just don't fit in the movie-verse)
Worst Design (robot mode): Igor (WTF)and D@#$ Bot ( :BANG_HEAD: )
Worst Voice: Bumblebee (I wished he actually talked after the first movie)
Worst Role: Ratchet, and Shockwave
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Re: Worst Character Representation in Films

Postby -Kanrabat- » Tue Aug 16, 2011 4:19 am

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I hated Movie Starscream's desing at first. But when I got the HftD Leader Starscream, he quickly grew on me.
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My only regret is he did not have enough screen time and character devlopment. All of the movies should have focused less on humans and more on the 'bots.

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Re: Worst Character Representation in Films

Postby Mizuno » Tue Aug 16, 2011 7:49 am

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Kanrabat- wrote:My only regret is he did not have enough screen time and character devlopment. All of the movies should have focused less on humans and more on the 'bots.



even the humans have nearly none character development. (aside from sam, and even he just to a small degree) its sad, really ;_;
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Re: Worst Character Representation in Films

Postby shamone » Tue Aug 16, 2011 11:18 am

some driods in one scene in Star Wars have more character
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Re: Worst Character Representation in Films

Postby Dementian » Sat Oct 08, 2011 6:34 pm

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Sideways. I would of loved to see him mess around with the 'bots and the 'cons on which side he is on.
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Re: Worst Character Representation in Films

Postby LadyBug » Sat Oct 08, 2011 6:44 pm

I say Carly was the worst character ever. I mean, her personality wasn't even like it was in G1. She use to be such a nut for the Autobots. She didn't hate them like in the movies. She also would of ended up going out with Bumblebee if she had the chance, ever before Sam. And I'm sure she would of too. And she was actually smart, not some dumb model who is **** the director.
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Re: Worst Character Representation in Films

Postby SirSoundwaveIV » Sat Oct 08, 2011 7:30 pm

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Shockwave. Partially because he had no lines, partially because he was just so different from his awesome movie comics interpretation.
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Re: Worst Character Representation in Films

Postby SKYWARPED_128 » Thu Oct 13, 2011 12:25 am

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Shockwave, I guess.

He resembles his G1 look closely enough, but his characterization is about as flat as a can of opened beer from last week. The Driller does nothing to compliment the character at all.

While I know movieverse is it's own continuity does NOT have to follow G1 in any way, at least make his status and rank in the Decepticon army more prominent. If he's meant to be some bad-ass general/soldier/warrior, then have OP or some of the Autobots mention some of his past atrocities.

While there are certainly other TF's who were left unexplored, Shockwave is the most glaring example, as his inclusion in the movie has been hyped to such a point that you expect a lot from it. Sadly, he was just there for cosmetic reasons.

At least in the case of Soundwave, he was still the Decepticons' intelligence and communications officer.
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Re: Worst Character Representation in Films

Postby -Kanrabat- » Thu Oct 13, 2011 3:49 pm

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SKYWARPED_128 wrote:Shockwave, (...)

tl;dr

He sucked.


Yeah... He was very disapointing. I don't mind the way he died. But he should have transformed a few times and he should be made clear he was a commander of sort. Yet, he was just the fourth Dread.
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Re: Worst Character Representation in Films

Postby Screamfleet » Thu Oct 13, 2011 4:36 pm

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Frenzy. Turning him into a cybertronian version of looney tunes tazmanian devil was ridiculous.
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Re: Worst Character Representation in Films

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-Kanrabat- wrote:
SKYWARPED_128 wrote:Shockwave, (...)

tl;dr

He sucked.


Yeah... He was very disapointing. I don't mind the way he died. But he should have transformed a few times and he should be made clear he was a commander of sort. Yet, he was just the fourth Dread.


For me, the reason I was so disappointed in Shockwave was because of the way he died. Yeah, I was already unhappy with how small a role he played after they hyped him up as the big bad, but even in the movie, they described him as some big ol' monster that everyone was afraid of. But then, when it finally comes time for his big fight scene, he immediately gets blinded by a parachute, stumbling around like an idiot, waving his arms in the air, and then that small group of Nest agents starts firing at him through the windows, making it even more of an embarrassment to watch. Then Optimus comes in and punches out his gut, rips out his eye, and kills him without Shockwave getting in a single shot. Pathetic.

Don't get me wrong, despite its problems, I enjoyed the movie. But every time I watch that scene I go crazy. They did such a bad job with him, it makes me glad the original actor chose not to associate himself with it.

As for Starscream, surprisingly I enjoyed him in Dark of the Moon. They managed to get in (in my opinion) more characterization than they did in the entirety of the last two movies. Yeah, his death wasn't all that dignifying, all he did was whine and grovel, and he never really had his own big moment in that movie, but unlike Shockwave, that's kind of how Starscream's supposed to be. He's MEANT to be the sucky one, he's MEANT to be the one kicked around. He's a coward and a suck-up. That's the whole point of him.

And for some reason, during his final moments, I laughed so hard at his "I'm gonna KICK you!" line. Hehehe.

... tl;dr.
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Re: Worst Character Representation in Films

Postby SKYWARPED_128 » Fri Oct 14, 2011 1:48 am

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Um, what's tl;dr?
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Re: Worst Character Representation in Films

Postby -Kanrabat- » Fri Oct 14, 2011 4:16 am

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SKYWARPED_128 wrote:Um, what's tl;dr?


Idiotic internet slang for "too long, don't read".

It's funny when used as a joke. It's frustrating when that's the only responce to your long post.
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Re: Worst Character Representation in Films

Postby SKYWARPED_128 » Sat Oct 15, 2011 6:02 pm

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-Kanrabat- wrote:
SKYWARPED_128 wrote:Um, what's tl;dr?


Idiotic internet slang for "too long, don't read".

It's funny when used as a joke. It's frustrating when that's the only responce to your long post.


LOL! Half of what I wrote was made up of indirect disclaimers. Just in case a Bayverse uber-fan came across the post, and decided that all who speak against the movieverse must burn.
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Re: Worst Character Representation in Films

Postby KnightAero » Sat Oct 15, 2011 7:58 pm

To me this really goes down to which character was not built up enough in each movie. Or had an extreme lack of screen time.

TF 1 - Had decent balance of character building. *** Jazz probably lacked the most here, but still had a decent amount of screen time when compared to the rest.

TF 2 -
1) Jolt - shows up once or twice and then suddenly plops all of Jetfire's parts on to Optimus Prime... Worst Representation for sure...
2) Ratchet - Goes from having some dialog in the first movie to nearly almost none!
3) Arcee - Why even bring her into this if she doesn't even talk? It was neat intro, and decent moment at the ending of the movie, but a ton of holes.

TF 3 -
A ton of transformers missing from the previous movie. It would be better to explain what happened to them than to suddenly leave earth without them.
1) Que - Only one or two moments of character building, this left no room for me caring when he died.
2) Soundwave - Seriously one of the most badass Transformers of all time and is taken down by a bunch of humans... As said before not enough dialog with him as he had some what of a mouth in the cartoons. This is the guy that took down several of the planetary defense systems the Autobots setup. Now he is slain by a paratrooper?

Obviously there is more, but overall the movies had A LOT working against them. The first movie really did a good job balancing, but after that one TF2 had the writers strike. And not to mention with adding so many more transformers how they interact grow these characters from the previous TF1 with little time creates havok. In the cartoons development is done over several episodes and seasons so it is a little easier. But how to do this in a 2 & a half hour movie. Is anyones guess...

I think the movies served their purpose. Action, Hot Girls, and Robots that get the ripped to pieces...
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Re: Worst Character Representation in Films

Postby KingEmperor » Sat Oct 15, 2011 11:37 pm

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KnightAero wrote:To me this really goes down to which character was not built up enough in each movie. Or had an extreme lack of screen time.

TF 1 - Had decent balance of character building. *** Jazz probably lacked the most here, but still had a decent amount of screen time when compared to the rest.

TF 2 -
1) Jolt - shows up once or twice and then suddenly plops all of Jetfire's parts on to Optimus Prime... Worst Representation for sure...
2) Ratchet - Goes from having some dialog in the first movie to nearly almost none!
3) Arcee - Why even bring her into this if she doesn't even talk? It was neat intro, and decent moment at the ending of the movie, but a ton of holes.

TF 3 -
A ton of transformers missing from the previous movie. It would be better to explain what happened to them than to suddenly leave earth without them.
1) Que - Only one or two moments of character building, this left no room for me caring when he died.
2) Soundwave - Seriously one of the most badass Transformers of all time and is taken down by a bunch of humans... As said before not enough dialog with him as he had some what of a mouth in the cartoons. This is the guy that took down several of the planetary defense systems the Autobots setup. Now he is slain by a paratrooper?

Obviously there is more, but overall the movies had A LOT working against them. The first movie really did a good job balancing, but after that one TF2 had the writers strike. And not to mention with adding so many more transformers how they interact grow these characters from the previous TF1 with little time creates havok. In the cartoons development is done over several episodes and seasons so it is a little easier. But how to do this in a 2 & a half hour movie. Is anyones guess...

I think the movies served their purpose. Action, Hot Girls, and Robots that get the ripped to pieces...

Soundwave was killed by Bumblebee. And Arcee did talk, on her first scene and on the scene before the blue one dies (I consider the trio as Arcee).
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Re: Worst Character Representation in Films

Postby KnightAero » Sun Oct 16, 2011 7:11 am

Ah yes that is right I was referring to "Shockwave" not "Soundwave". Either way Arcee had very little screen time for character building.
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