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Fortress Rodimus wrote:Not true Primal although the leader of the ship was not the Prime like all the others. But we saw him grow into a true Prime. And I grew up on G1 still love it and i love wheeljack but heck i like the Prime Wheeljack looks cool and kicked butt.

Different case as Optimus Primal =/= Optimus Prime. When I said every "Optimus" was perfect, I was intentionality referring to every "Optimus Prime". Fixed it now.

And Primal never became a Prime in that series. He may have been a Maximal leader (something like a general, even), but he was never the Maximal Leader. Time and again Beast Wars/Machines referred to the highest ranking of all Maximals being the Council of Maximal Elders.

Granted, he was still a true hero, but he was never at the same level of rank as a Supreme Commander as far as the American cartoons were concerned (Japan is their own thing).

Very true Saberbade. Well said.

here are a few annoyances out of my memories

Annoying Humans: literally any human ever introduced but the top ones are all of the unicron trilogy series kids and Daniel from G1.

Annoying Robots: Jolt from Transformers Cybertron, Energon Ironhide(he´s just so dimwitted at times).

Finnally im not saying that Grimlock is a bad character but i just dont like how he´s portrayed as having a faulty glitch in his creation resulting in how stupidly he acts and talks. He´s shown a lot of character and and awesomeness in marvel and dreamwave comics but every cartoon incarnation of him just kills his chances of being more awesome.

Lets just agree that any human character pretty much gave Transformers a negative point. That and Bumblebee. I can not stand how this character is everywhere and is in almost every universe. It has come to the point that I actually want to start kicking children I see dressed up as Bumblebee. I usually feel bad for people that I see being pulled over for being tickets, but thanks to Bayverse Bumblebee I actually cheer as I drive by........... I watch Prime just to see the off chance that they will melt bumblebee down or destroy him like they did cliff jumper. Hell I would be happy if they did to him what IDW did to Sun Streaker, except have his human die and Bumblebee explode and melt into a toxic pool.

Carlos from Armada, he is so bad he make Leo from ROTF look good.

TheBigToyAuction wrote:The worst was Astoria Carlton-Ritz.

Good god, few things are this bad

the ones i think are very annoying

any human in a series(kicker is an acceptation cus he actually fought.)
huffer in G1
ironhide in energon
that hunk of scrap bumblebee! i hate him!!!!! over used, no character! over rated! i would do anything to get him out of the movies.
sam in the movies
snowcat in energon, he could get realllllllly annoying
leo in ROTF

Autobot-Hellstriker wrote:Annoying Humans: literally any human ever introduced but the top ones are all of the unicron trilogy series kids and Daniel from G1.

_Anshin_ wrote:Lets just agree that any human character pretty much gave Transformers a negative point.

Doubledealer25 wrote:any human in a series(kicker is an acceptation cus he actually fought.)

*sigh* Apparently, Masterforce is still as obscure a series as it was twenty years ago, it seems.

_Anshin_ wrote:That and Bumblebee. I can not stand how this character is everywhere and is in almost every universe.

And yet, there was a point where we had no Bumblebee whatsoever for about 10 years (1996-2006).

Sabrblade wrote:

_Anshin_ wrote:That and Bumblebee. I can not stand how this character is everywhere and is in almost every universe.

And yet, there was a point where we had no Bumblebee whatsoever for about 10 years (1996-2006).

Hence the words Almost. Then again I still read the comics between 96-2006, so my despise is still there, but I guess I should have kept it to just the cartoons. Sorry... still you can not help but to despise him.

_Anshin_ wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

_Anshin_ wrote:That and Bumblebee. I can not stand how this character is everywhere and is in almost every universe.

And yet, there was a point where we had no Bumblebee whatsoever for about 10 years (1996-2006).

Hence the words Almost. Then again I still read the comics between 96-2006, so my despise is still there, but I guess I should have kept it to just the cartoons. Sorry... still you can not help but to despise him.

Except that each Bumblebee is different.

You got:

• The typical bland young guy from G1.
• The mute, irritating dude from the Movies
• The cold-hearted drifter/Seeker Commander from Shattered Glass
• The young, lively, energetic, full-of-life, ball of energy from Animated
• And the "Johnny Young Bosch"-turned-"silent killer" from WFC/Exodus/Prime.