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Sabrblade wrote:

_Anshin_ wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

_Anshin_ wrote:That and Bumblebee. I can not stand how this character is everywhere and is in almost every universe.

And yet, there was a point where we had no Bumblebee whatsoever for about 10 years (1996-2006).

Hence the words Almost. Then again I still read the comics between 96-2006, so my despise is still there, but I guess I should have kept it to just the cartoons. Sorry... still you can not help but to despise him.

Except that each Bumblebee is different.

You got:

• The typical bland young guy from G1.
• The mute, irritating dude from the Movies
• The cold-hearted drifter/Seeker Commander from Shattered Glass
• The young, lively, energetic, full-of-life, ball of energy from Animated
• And the "Johnny Young Bosch"-turned-"silent killer" from WFC/Exodus/Prime.

You forgot the Promoted to leader in IDW, and the whiny, trying to prove himself version in Marvel-UK.

However they all share the same (except for SG) basic Bumblebee persona, the same way Prime shares his personas with the other Primes (even primal).
Bumblebee = Humans in transformers.

Every human is different (Spike is not the same as Sam who is not the same as Carlos). Yet they are all equally annoying and droll as a character. With the exception of SG, they are all suppose to be inspiration markers and relational points so that the youths of today have a character they can relate to. Time changes all the characters but not their intended purpose and basic purpose for story development and demographic relational points.

_Anshin_ wrote:Every human is different (Spike is not the same as Sam who is not the same as Carlos). Yet they are all equally annoying and droll as a character.

And my Masterforce argument still holds up since every human in that series was epic. Almost god-like in power, even.

Sabrblade wrote:

_Anshin_ wrote:Every human is different (Spike is not the same as Sam who is not the same as Carlos). Yet they are all equally annoying and droll as a character.

And my Masterforce argument still holds up since every human in that series was epic. Almost god-like in power, even.

I guess it still holds up similar to the way an vertical ejection seat works on a helicopter. Sure your out, but are you in any better shape?

All joking aside, this is just my opinion versus yours. I respect it and can see why you would like some of the characters I despise.

_Anshin_ wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

_Anshin_ wrote:Every human is different (Spike is not the same as Sam who is not the same as Carlos). Yet they are all equally annoying and droll as a character.

And my Masterforce argument still holds up since every human in that series was epic. Almost god-like in power, even.

I guess it still holds up similar to the way an vertical ejection seat works on a helicopter. Sure your out, but are you in any better shape?

All joking aside, this is just my opinion versus yours. I respect it and can see why you would like some of the characters I despise.

Unless you've actually seen Masterforce, you can't comment without having experienced it.

The humans were the Autobots and Deceptcions of that series (that's right, Decepticon humans!), and each one of them was made a better character than the entire G1 cartoon cast combined.

Why, that whole series was so good that I rank it almost as high as Beast Wars, Animated, and Beast Machines (higher than BM, actually) in terms of quality, effort, and sheer competence.

Sabrblade wrote:

_Anshin_ wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

_Anshin_ wrote:Every human is different (Spike is not the same as Sam who is not the same as Carlos). Yet they are all equally annoying and droll as a character.

And my Masterforce argument still holds up since every human in that series was epic. Almost god-like in power, even.

I guess it still holds up similar to the way an vertical ejection seat works on a helicopter. Sure your out, but are you in any better shape?

All joking aside, this is just my opinion versus yours. I respect it and can see why you would like some of the characters I despise.

Unless you've actually seen Masterforce, you can't comment without having experienced it.

The humans were the Autobots and Deceptcions of that series (that's right, Decepticon humans!), and each one of them was made a better character than the entire G1 cartoon cast combined.

Why, that whole series was so good that I rank it almost as high as Beast Wars, Animated, and Beast Machines (higher than BM, actually) in terms of quality, effort, and sheer competence.

Then I am safe to comment as I still have them recorded on VHS straight from the Japanese Airways

_Anshin_ wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

_Anshin_ wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

_Anshin_ wrote:Every human is different (Spike is not the same as Sam who is not the same as Carlos). Yet they are all equally annoying and droll as a character.

And my Masterforce argument still holds up since every human in that series was epic. Almost god-like in power, even.

I guess it still holds up similar to the way an vertical ejection seat works on a helicopter. Sure your out, but are you in any better shape?

All joking aside, this is just my opinion versus yours. I respect it and can see why you would like some of the characters I despise.

Unless you've actually seen Masterforce, you can't comment without having experienced it.

The humans were the Autobots and Deceptcions of that series (that's right, Decepticon humans!), and each one of them was made a better character than the entire G1 cartoon cast combined.

Why, that whole series was so good that I rank it almost as high as Beast Wars, Animated, and Beast Machines (higher than BM, actually) in terms of quality, effort, and sheer competence.

Then I am safe to comment as I still have them recorded on VHS straight from the Japanese Airways

Awful English dub or superior Japanese sub?

_Anshin_ wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

_Anshin_ wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

_Anshin_ wrote:Every human is different (Spike is not the same as Sam who is not the same as Carlos). Yet they are all equally annoying and droll as a character.

And my Masterforce argument still holds up since every human in that series was epic. Almost god-like in power, even.

I guess it still holds up similar to the way an vertical ejection seat works on a helicopter. Sure your out, but are you in any better shape?

All joking aside, this is just my opinion versus yours. I respect it and can see why you would like some of the characters I despise.

Unless you've actually seen Masterforce, you can't comment without having experienced it.

The humans were the Autobots and Deceptcions of that series (that's right, Decepticon humans!), and each one of them was made a better character than the entire G1 cartoon cast combined.

Why, that whole series was so good that I rank it almost as high as Beast Wars, Animated, and Beast Machines (higher than BM, actually) in terms of quality, effort, and sheer competence.

Then I am safe to comment as I still have them recorded on VHS straight from the Japanese Airways

Awful English dub or superior Japanese sub?

To be brutally honest I had to get the dubbed version because I don't understand the Japanese versions (Never learned Japanese). A close friend of mine was deployed out there and picked up both sets for me. I can understand some of it, but a majority of it I couldn't understand. There were no subtitles on the VHS and I have yet to find the Japanese versions on dvd/blu-ray that have subtitles or fan sub sites.

_Anshin_ wrote:To be brutally honest I had to get the dubbed version because I don't understand the Japanese versions (Never learned Japanese).

The English dub of Masterforce =

It was an absolute FAIL! It's not even worth watching as it's just so PATHETIC! Fandubs are better than that atrocity!

_Anshin_ wrote:A close friend of mine was deployed out there and picked up both sets for me. I can understand some of it, but a majority of it I couldn't understand. There were no subtitles on the VHS and I have yet to find the Japanese versions on dvd/blu-ray that have subtitles or fan sub sites.

All the episodes in Japanese w/ English subtitles can be downloaded easily from TV-Nihon. They subtitled every episode and in about as good as (or better than) the quality of the official DVD subs. They also subbed The Headmasters, Victory, RobotMasters, Super Link, Galaxy Force, and the first few episodes of Car Robots. And the Japanese openings/endings/promos of Animated. They are the fansub group to go to when it comes to the Transformers anime. All you have to do is ask where to find them.

Also, aside from the Bay movies, Blu-Ray = nonexistent for any TF series.

Yeah, I know getting any anime unless its like Ex Machina in blu-ray is pretty much not worth it, however I always look to try to get better quality than what the VHS offers.