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Re: Would you be okay with a Transformers series that was about a new generation of Transformers?

Postby Dead Metal » Tue Jun 05, 2012 2:59 pm

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DJrasmo wrote:Beast Wars being "fail" is simply an expression of my own opinion. As 3rd grade dictionary learnin' taught us, an "opinion" is not a "fact", and therefore wether or not BW "fails" cannot be proved or disproved as true/false.

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"You mean the importing of G1 to Japan, right?"

Um, not really...considering the whole ideology was originally created IN JAPAN as Microman and Diaclone. The idea of transforming robot toys was popular with kids in Japan, and the show was created afterwards to help provide a small boost to sales.
Upon import to America, however, the toys proved to not be so much of a hit with our slightly-less-fascinated-with-technology kids and the show was used (in typical American media-saturating fashion) to push the toys, including the addition of new characters, new series, and re-dubbing for more interesting dialogue.

That is all utter BS.
Hasbro bought the rights to sell the toys in America and their other markets.
Then they went and asked Marvel Comics to create all the fiction (comics, cartoon, character bios and names) to better market them to kids, something almost every toy line did back then, oh and it was also done as a bit of an answer to the GoBots.

All Takara did was design the original toys, then after seeing how successful Transformers was in the US they killed the original lines, and imported the Transformers.
And no G1 is not anime, save for the stuff produced in Japan like Zone, Headmasters, etc.

That's basic Transformers knowledge.
And yes, I agree with that last part...importing people like Rodimus and Ironhide as cameos in Animated actually lessed the show a bit for me. I much preferred it the way it was...as a small core of central characters who progress and grow throughout the show. They could have just as easily introduced NEW characters to fill the same purpose...but chose instead to try and re-saturate us with old characters.

Team Rodimus was introduced in Season 3 so that they could later take over the show for the fourth and final season, Rodimus was supposed to be the "Chosen One" in this and become the hero at the end. But those plans died when Hasbro terminated their partnership with CN to focus more on the Hub and TF Prime. A lot of footage was cut from Animated season 3 that was meant to lead into Season 4.
Being such a large Animated fan you should know this.

Also Optimus was a completely different character in this, sharing only the name and basic character design. There will always be an Optimus and a Megatron in some way, Hasbro wants to protect their Trademarks after all.
Also Animated was also made to sell toys, just here the show was developed at the same time as the toys. The toys only got delayed because Hasbro and toy retailers wanted more of that sweet sweet Movie toys cash.

It is also weird that you bring Animated up as an example of a show that has nothing in common with the old stuff and is so "fanboi" unfriendly.

Animated was the definition of fanwank, almost everything in there was there to appeal to fans, mostly due tot he guys behind it being fans themselves, Isenberg to a much lesser extent though.
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Re: Would you be okay with a Transformers series that was about a new generation of Transformers?

Postby Shadowman » Tue Jun 05, 2012 4:00 pm

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Dead Metal wrote:Team Rodimus was introduced in Season 3 so that they could later take over the show for the fourth and final season, Rodimus was supposed to be the "Chosen One" in this and become the hero at the end.


I actually didn't know that, I knew there was going to be some of a cast change up in the next season, like Ironhide and jazz taking the places of Bulkhead and Prowl on Team Optimus.

Dead Metal wrote:But those plans died when Hasbro terminated their partnership with CN to focus more on the Hub and TF Prime. A lot of footage was cut from Animated season 3 that was meant to lead into Season 4.
Being such a large Animated fan you should know this.


The way I heard it, it was done so as not to deflect attention away from Revenge of the Fallen.

Dead Metal wrote:Also Animated was also made to sell toys, just here the show was developed at the same time as the toys. The toys only got delayed because Hasbro and toy retailers wanted more of that sweet sweet Movie toys cash.


The writers are on record saying that if they had known Laserbeak transformed into a guitar for Soundwave, they'd have included it in Soundwave's first appearance.

Dead Metal wrote:It is also weird that you bring Animated up as an example of a show that has nothing in common with the old stuff and is so "fanboi" unfriendly.


Animated did do a few things differently; a more realistically futuristic environment with a greater emphasis on robotics, more prominent human villains, most characters were given entirely new characterizations, etc.

But yeah, the show itself was all about the G1 references, as many as they could pack in per episode, stuff only the long-time fans would catch. Even getting as many voice actors to reprise their roles as they can. (Corey Burton voicing Shockwave and Spike, Susan Blu voicing Arcee, Judd Nelson voicing Rodimus, etc. etc.)
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Re: Would you be okay with a Transformers series that was about a new generation of Transformers?

Postby Dead Metal » Tue Jun 05, 2012 4:18 pm

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Shadowman wrote:
Dead Metal wrote:But those plans died when Hasbro terminated their partnership with CN to focus more on the Hub and TF Prime. A lot of footage was cut from Animated season 3 that was meant to lead into Season 4.
Being such a large Animated fan you should know this.


The way I heard it, it was done so as not to deflect attention away from Revenge of the Fallen.

They terminated their contract with Cartoon Network, with whom they had an exclusive working agreement with, CN also produced the Unicron trilogy, adding to that they stated they wanted to do their own thing or soemthing the like so I say it's safe to say that it was in favour of the Hub. Especially since the Hub deputed just a year after the CN partnership ended.

Dead Metal wrote:Also Animated was also made to sell toys, just here the show was developed at the same time as the toys. The toys only got delayed because Hasbro and toy retailers wanted more of that sweet sweet Movie toys cash.


The writers are on record saying that if they had known Laserbeak transformed into a guitar for Soundwave, they'd have included it in Soundwave's first appearance.
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They also said that about Oil Slick, thing is though that the character models and the toys where designed at almost the same time, the designs would be sent to Hasbro and then changed should they not work as toys, that's how Prowls wheels ended up in his legs.
The TFA team probably didn't even think of using Laserbeak, and Hasbro just thought of saving the name, plus that mistake was taken care of later with electrostatic Soundwave and his Ratbat appearing in an episode before the toy got cancelled.

Dead Metal wrote:It is also weird that you bring Animated up as an example of a show that has nothing in common with the old stuff and is so "fanboi" unfriendly.


Animated did do a few things differently; a more realistically futuristic environment with a greater emphasis on robotics, more prominent human villains, most characters were given entirely new characterizations, etc.

But yeah, the show itself was all about the G1 references, as many as they could pack in per episode, stuff only the long-time fans would catch. Even getting as many voice actors to reprise their roles as they can. (Corey Burton voicing Shockwave and Spike, Susan Blu voicing Arcee, Judd Nelson voicing Rodimus, etc. etc.)[/quote]
Shockwave was put in due to Corey Burton telling the team how he was his favourite character and how he would love to reprise the role.
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Re: Would you be okay with a Transformers series that was about a new generation of Transformers?

Postby Random » Sat Jun 09, 2012 3:34 pm

I'm going to take this from where the current comics are headed:

If so many Cybertronians are scattered all over the universe, why are we not aware of their stories? Something had to happen. There has to be some kind of material there.

Make a show based on them and I'd give it a shot.
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Re: Would you be okay with a Transformers series that was about a new generation of Transformers?

Postby Noideaforaname » Sat Jun 09, 2012 5:13 pm

I'd love something like DC Nation's shorts starring lesser-known characters.
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Re: Would you be okay with a Transformers series that was about a new generation of Transformers?

Postby OptiMagnus » Sat Jun 09, 2012 11:28 pm

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Does it actually matter what I think of a new generation of Transformers? I'm not a true fan already, so embracing that would be lighting TNT in the hole I dug myself in by liking the movies. A new generation of Transformers is a change, and therefore inherently evil. Right?

Here's the deal: I remember discussing this a looooooooong time ago, and I said I would love to see something totally new. However, I think "the fans" would find it completely repulsive because it would have absolutely no character connections with G1, possibly worse than the complaints about the movie characters compared to their G1 counterparts. It would probably start more flame wars over...names. I would personally enjoy a whole new generation of characters rebuilt from the bottom up, but I just see fuel for trolls and death threats to the writers. Maybe I'm paranoid, but you can't say this won't happen. The movies took enough crap from the new aesthetic and changing alt-modes and colors alone, so what would happen if the current basis is scrapped and something new is put there?
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Re: Would you be okay with a Transformers series that was about a new generation of Transformers?

Postby G1 Smoketreader » Sat Jun 16, 2012 1:45 pm

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Yes from me.

I like the idea mentioned of Optimus (or even Rodimus) appearing as an academy head somewhere, but that's not exactly necessary, tho it would be nice.

I would very much enjoy seeing a new colony of TFs or a group of either hatchlings or protoforms within a seperate colony setting out just to explore- no need to run into any Megatron or threat of another ressurected Unicron, tho ruins from past Unicron battles,Beast Wars and Beast machines battles and so on shouldn't need to never be walked by or known about.

I typed in a similar thread ages ago that the four (known) planet-key planets from Armada are good places to start something like this, and that Animated could have been the story of the rise of Ultra Magnus and some G2 bots instead of being yet another rewrite of the rewrite of the perfectly excellent Orion Pax story.
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Re: Would you be okay with a Transformers series that was about a new generation of Transformers?

Postby -Kanrabat- » Sun Jun 17, 2012 8:10 am

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LordScourge wrote:I'm sure it was done with Beast Wars and what not but I'm talking about a Transformers series that's about two completely different factions from the Autobots and Decepticons. I'm not suggesting factions descended from the two and inherited the roles of Autobots and Decepticons either I'm refering to another war breaking out generations after the war between Autobots and Decepticons and just to switch things up some of the Protagonists could be descended(or created from) from Megatron (this would be the main character), Starcream, Soundwave etc... as well as Autobots and the main villain and his lackey's could be descended or created from Optimus and other autobots as well as Decepticons.

Also with this idea the Two main characters aren't named after Optimus and Megatron (I think that would be a little awkward given the lineage)


You know, it somehow already happenned around 25 years ago.

You should defenitely take a look at Transformers Masterforce. It's a Japan exclusive series from the late 1980's. The action take place on Earth, when the :BOT: and :CON: left the planet to continue their war in space. Optimus Prime is dead at that time.

The main protagonists are a bunch of kids that become the heads of ancient Transtechtor bodies that were found hidden on earth. The leader, Ginrai, found a body that is some kind of Optimus Prime hommage. They are mentored by a few :BOT: pretenders. Giant robots that transform in planes and such that somehow, succeed at disguising themselves as normal humans!

Of course, some bad guys stayed behind, who are litterally monsters.

Check out the few videos below. If you want to see the whole thing, fansubs should be easely found.

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Here's the Youtube link for the first part of episode one.
You should normally be able to find the rest on your own. Enjoy!

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Re: Would you be okay with a Transformers series that was about a new generation of Transformers?

Postby sto_vo_kor_2000 » Sun Jun 17, 2012 3:56 pm

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DJrasmo wrote:Yes, Yes, a thousand times YES.

The reason G1-Movie-G2 torch passing didnt work was it wasn't handled the right way. It was like all of a sudden "BAM!" lots of dead old guys..."BAM!" lots of new guys...and a lot of stuff crammed down our throats as viewers (and consumers) made the whole thing feel "forced".

I can agree with you there

2. Smooth transition from "last-gen" to "next-gen". The movie and G2 failed at this, and Animated did okay...turning Ratchet into a "Kup-esque" character and constantly reminiscing about the Great War was a great bit...but it was totally washed by having ANOTHER Optimus Prime paradoxically present.

what other Optimus are you talking about?

3. Re-invent, but dont OVER-reinvent. AkA "The reason Beast Wars failed".


Beast Wars far from failed.

I know...this reverses everything that Transformers has ever been based on since the importing of G1 from Japan..


G1, as a franchise, was not imported from Japan.Toys from a few unconected toylines were imported from Japan, but the concept that became G1 is American made.
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Re: Would you be okay with a Transformers series that was about a new generation of Transformers?

Postby Shadowman » Sun Jun 17, 2012 4:30 pm

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Man, sto, you are way late to the party here. I already made a few of the points you did.

Somehow I missed that he keeps referring to Season 3 as G2, though.
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Re: Would you be okay with a Transformers series that was about a new generation of Transformers?

Postby sto_vo_kor_2000 » Sun Jun 17, 2012 4:40 pm

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Shadowman wrote:Man, sto, you are way late to the party here. I already made a few of the points you did.

Somehow I missed that he keeps referring to Season 3 as G2, though.

yeah, I've been out of commission, learning to walk with my new leg.Its kept me very buzy for the last few months.
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Re: Would you be okay with a Transformers series that was about a new generation of Transformers?

Postby Shadowman » Sun Jun 17, 2012 9:13 pm

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Shadowman wrote:Man, sto, you are way late to the party here. I already made a few of the points you did.

Somehow I missed that he keeps referring to Season 3 as G2, though.

yeah, I've been out of commission, learning to walk with my new leg.Its kept me very buzy for the last few months.


I meant more along the lines of, you're kind of beating a dead horse here.
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Re: Would you be okay with a Transformers series that was about a new generation of Transformers?

Postby sto_vo_kor_2000 » Sun Jun 17, 2012 9:36 pm

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sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
Shadowman wrote:Man, sto, you are way late to the party here. I already made a few of the points you did.

Somehow I missed that he keeps referring to Season 3 as G2, though.

yeah, I've been out of commission, learning to walk with my new leg.Its kept me very buzy for the last few months.


I meant more along the lines of, you're kind of beating a dead horse here.



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Re: Would you be okay with a Transformers series that was about a new generation of Transformers?

Postby d_sel1 » Thu Jun 21, 2012 6:52 pm

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Settings: 4 Million from now

:BOT: : Scattered throughout the galaxy after all of the war. The main fighting factions are now by a Prime based one of the smaller "younger" characters (probably Bumblebee) with now aged veterans (Wheelie?!?!?, some former Decepticons) and a new generation of very overpowered characters (after a few million years of military there is probably some quantum leaps of enhancement). For instance, I thought of four sisters that manipulates the four basic forces of nature, gravity (can also warp space-time for transportation), electro-magnetic, weak nuclear force (can transmutate materials), and strong nuclear force (can disintegrate :CON: into quarks). In addition, the rechared Matrix now has spirits of Optimus, Rodimus, and other TF's past, present, and future

:CON: : After eons of side conquests and bickering, evolved into three types
Milder :CON: : Basically after years of fighting, they evolved into more or less more ammoral :BOT: , more like drunks or bullies than killing machines, but do have racist tendencies. I considering making one younger one eventually join the :BOT: and turn into a future last Prime.
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In addition I want to mix in various :CON: as mercenaries, assassins, etc. including a necromancer (Mindwipe?) led a certain :CON: ghosts and that can control over TF's spirits.
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Re: Would you be okay with a Transformers series that was about a new generation of Transformers?

Postby robotmel » Fri Jul 06, 2012 7:21 am

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I could go for that!

It would surely only make the brand stronger, more exposure and of course more toy lines.
I would like to see...

A future version which builds on the original animation artwork, especially the style used in the '86 movie.
We might see an aged Optimus, all battle scarred and grumpy, seen as a story teller or advice giver rather than heading into battle to save the day (yet again)!
We could have the immediate focus on the 2nd/3rd in command, be it Rodimus or another successor and a host of new Autobots with a smattering of old survivors, also battle scarred and crusty!

As Megatron was reconfigured into Galvatron, if the love for Galvy has diminished then perhaps a past Megatron could travel to the future or be brought 'back to the future' ;) to take the mantle once again as the character we all know and hate!
Again a select few survivors could be Megatrons minions but with fresh new characters taking centre stage over the older guys.
I feel Megatron would still want to lead (of course) but only gets involved when he has to out on the field, perhaps to clean up the mess the various new Decepticons make!
The old guys, say the odd seeker, could have had their wings 'clipped' during an epic battle which left them base bound, kicking around and getting in Megatrons way?

The idea of this new series set off-world appeals, yet a tie in with Earth, perhaps via a 'Space Bridge' would be needed to keep the kids interested?
Talking of kids, I would guess they writers couldnt go too dark, as marketing this would have to be aimed at the limited age range Hasbro specifies for their IP?

Taking an 'everything old is new again' approach gives license to classic (aged & grumpy) character toys with their familiar looks being produced which will appeal to older fans whilst the all new characters would be welcomed to the younger new fans?

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Re: Would you be okay with a Transformers series that was about a new generation of Transformers?

Postby Sargent » Thu Jul 19, 2012 5:16 am

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Random wrote:I'm going to take this from where the current comics are headed:

If so many Cybertronians are scattered all over the universe, why are we not aware of their stories? Something had to happen. There has to be some kind of material there.

Make a show based on them and I'd give it a shot.

This.

Or take an approach similar to Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic, taking place waay back in the past, only that it's not on Earth 10 million B.C. but on Cybertron (or other planets as well). Revolve the show around HOW things went awry with the factions. Sort of a prequel, which could also detail some lesser known or unknown characters. Kup's got some cool war stories to tell, yeah? Why not let us see what happened exactly? Just an example, but you get the idea...

The only downside is you won't have any human characters in there, but it worked for Beast Wars, so, why not? :D
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