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Postby Anonymous. » Sun Jun 05, 2011 8:35 pm

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Re: X-Men First Class

Postby Burn » Sun Jun 05, 2011 9:20 pm

Wasn't overly impressed, in fact I left feeling disappointed.

The only high point for me was Hugh Jackman's brief appearance.
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Re: X-Men First Class

Postby Starscream GaGa » Mon Jun 06, 2011 4:35 am

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I actually loved it. The plot line was great, dialogue was comic-bookesque without being cheesy, character relationships were well-done and didn't feel tacked on and rushed and the casting was very good (except Moria McTaggart). It was really well-paced, too and was fun and interesting from beginning to end.
I feel that it was on par, maybe even a little better then X2.

And also it has the highlight of pretty much ruining X-Men 3's compatibility with the other movies; The first scene of X-Men 3 can now no longer have occurred. My mind has now happily retconned X-Men 3 out of existence :).
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Re: X-Men First Class

Postby Aluus » Mon Jun 06, 2011 12:20 pm

More importantly, the scene with Xavier near the end of Wolverine origins could not have occurred following your logic, so THAT abomination of a movie is retconned out of existance as well
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Re: X-Men First Class

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Burn wrote:The only high point for me was Hugh Jackman's brief appearance.


I love that scene!!

But as far as a "prequel" I don't know.. It kind of kills some of the things that have been established as well as screwing the "Wolverine origins" movie..

No one seems to know if this is a prequel, reboot or some kind of re-imagining using some of the elements from the other movies (ravens look, etc..)

It was James Bondish and fun though.

*edit*
It actually seems like a reboot to me..
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Re: X-Men First Class

Postby Starscream GaGa » Mon Jun 06, 2011 8:12 pm

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Cyber Bishop wrote:
Burn wrote:The only high point for me was Hugh Jackman's brief appearance.


I love that scene!!

But as far as a "prequel" I don't know.. It kind of kills some of the things that have been established as well as screwing the "Wolverine origins" movie..

No one seems to know if this is a prequel, reboot or some kind of re-imagining using some of the elements from the other movies (ravens look, etc..)

It was James Bondish and fun though.

*edit*
It actually seems like a reboot to me..


I think, considering it had the exact same first scenes as the first movie, it can be considered a prequel to at least X-Men and X2.

I think its possible that the writers acknowledged the first two movies as the movies that are generally loved, while Wolverine and X-Men 3 are both generally disliked and (in X-Men 3s case) widely regarded as having suffered from dodgy writing and decided to roll with it. There are no inconsistencies between this and the first two movies.

Wolverine and X-Men 3 however just are 100% incompatible. Emma Frost is completely different in First Class, Xavier and Magneto's situation makes the starting of X-Men 3 impossible, Xavier's cameo in Wolverine could not have happened, Scott Summers was seen during the Cerebro search at an age that cannot work with his age in Wolverine Origins, etc.
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Re: X-Men First Class

Postby The Happy Locust » Mon Jun 06, 2011 10:17 pm

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Starscream GaGa wrote:
Cyber Bishop wrote:
Burn wrote:The only high point for me was Hugh Jackman's brief appearance.


I love that scene!!

But as far as a "prequel" I don't know.. It kind of kills some of the things that have been established as well as screwing the "Wolverine origins" movie..

No one seems to know if this is a prequel, reboot or some kind of re-imagining using some of the elements from the other movies (ravens look, etc..)

It was James Bondish and fun though.

*edit*
It actually seems like a reboot to me..


I think, considering it had the exact same first scenes as the first movie, it can be considered a prequel to at least X-Men and X2.

I think its possible that the writers acknowledged the first two movies as the movies that are generally loved, while Wolverine and X-Men 3 are both generally disliked and (in X-Men 3s case) widely regarded as having suffered from dodgy writing and decided to roll with it. There are no inconsistencies between this and the first two movies.

Wolverine and X-Men 3 however just are 100% incompatible. Emma Frost is completely different in First Class, Xavier and Magneto's situation makes the starting of X-Men 3 impossible, Xavier's cameo in Wolverine could not have happened, Scott Summers was seen during the Cerebro search at an age that cannot work with his age in Wolverine Origins, etc.


At this point, Wolverine's movie really has to just be written off as far as continuity goes. Caught Scott's appearance, but wouldn't that make Havok in his late 40's or 50's by the present day?

Just got back from seeing First class. Wasn't even planning on it but I got to the theater too late for the showing of Pirates 4 (hold your comments, please) so picked the next movie playing. Surprisingly good, though I had to do research to figure out who Azazel and Riptide were. Definitely got Deja vu from a lot of scenes but generally it was suitably epic for a movie with this much happening. For as long as it was, thought it was well paced and presented.

Heard promos about it being as good as the Dark knight. Not even close! But still pretty damn good.
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Re: X-Men First Class

Postby Just Negare » Tue Jun 07, 2011 6:54 am

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Yip, defintely liked it better than X1, X3 and WO. I found it better than I expected it to be, and I felt the pacing was decent, although there were moments where it felt rushed, and I wished the end battles were longer.

As much as people might not like this, I think they could have hashed this plot out over two movies.

Magneto was cool, though - even if I did think the part in the camp was a bit far fetched and didn't seem so realistic that he could trash an entire room of metal and not find a way to kill Kevin Bacon - but at least we have another movie for the 6 degrees game
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Re: X-Men First Class

Postby Doctor McGrath » Tue Jun 07, 2011 12:18 pm

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It actually seems like a reboot to me..


This.

X-3 and the Wolverine: Origins movies were horrible. I'm guessing that's why the new Wolverine: Origines movie being filmed isnt even a continuation of the last.

I think First Class was exceptional. The characters stayed true to the originals for the most part, Magneto was excellent, and I thought the nods to Wolverine and Mystique were very cool. The action wasn't over the top and very believable and they managed to tell a decent story.

Only fail I can think of was Angel.
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Re: X-Men First Class

Postby The Happy Locust » Tue Jun 07, 2011 9:07 pm

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amcgrath929 wrote:Only fail I can think of was Angel.

All things considered, would you have preferred her as a mom with a bird boyfriend and six feathered fly babies?
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Re: X-Men First Class

Postby Doctor McGrath » Tue Jun 07, 2011 9:12 pm

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amcgrath929 wrote:Only fail I can think of was Angel.

All things considered, would you have preferred her as a mom with a bird boyfriend and six feathered fly babies?


Nah, they could have just given her a different name considering you know, she didn't resemble the Angel character whatsoever.
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Re: X-Men First Class

Postby Anonymous. » Tue Jun 07, 2011 9:35 pm

amcgrath929 wrote:Nah, they could have just given her a different name considering you know, she didn't resemble the Angel character whatsoever.


She's Angel Salvadore, or Angel, who is far different from Angel/Archangel. I believe it was a poor choice to have her in the movie considering she was a character who was created in 2001, but I guess they needed another female character to contrast with Raven. Anyhow I think Pixie > Angel Salvadore.
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Re: X-Men First Class

Postby Doctor McGrath » Tue Jun 07, 2011 9:38 pm

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amcgrath929 wrote:Nah, they could have just given her a different name considering you know, she didn't resemble the Angel character whatsoever.


She's Angel Salvadore, or Angel, who is far different from Angel/Archangel.


Wasn't the Angel/Archangel in the X-Men first class comics though?

I thought it was just an odd choice considering there are many others they could have chosen.
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Re: X-Men First Class

Postby Anonymous. » Tue Jun 07, 2011 10:04 pm

amcgrath929 wrote:
Blurrz wrote:
amcgrath929 wrote:Nah, they could have just given her a different name considering you know, she didn't resemble the Angel character whatsoever.


She's Angel Salvadore, or Angel, who is far different from Angel/Archangel.


Wasn't the Angel/Archangel in the X-Men first class comics though?

I thought it was just an odd choice considering there are many others they could have chosen.


Yes, he was a prominent character in the first beginnings of the X-Men. Cyclops, Beast, Iceman, Angel/Archangel and Jean Grey are the first five x-men.
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Re: X-Men First Class

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amcgrath929 wrote:
Blurrz wrote:
amcgrath929 wrote:Nah, they could have just given her a different name considering you know, she didn't resemble the Angel character whatsoever.


She's Angel Salvadore, or Angel, who is far different from Angel/Archangel.


Wasn't the Angel/Archangel in the X-Men first class comics though?

I thought it was just an odd choice considering there are many others they could have chosen.


Yes, he was a prominent character in the first beginnings of the X-Men. Cyclops, Beast, Iceman, Angel/Archangel and Jean Grey are the first five x-men.


That's what I thought.
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Re: X-Men First Class

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Yeah, the Angel in First class is named that because of her first name; Angel Salvadore, not because she's anything related to Warren Worthington's Angel/ArchAngel
I didn't mind her, I thought it was a completely random choice of character, I mean, not many people even liked New X-Men and Angel Salvadore isn't really important or well known, but I think they handled her well and by the end I didn't feel like I didn't want her to be there.

Personally though, I would've cast Kate Vernon as Emma Frost. I mean, she SCREAMS the role.
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Re: X-Men First Class

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I liked the movie much better than the last two entries into this series. LAst Stand and Wolverine were quite bad. Last Stand more so. Wolverine suffered most from what appeared to be unfinished special effects, specially noticeable in the bathroom scene.

But last stand was just very disjointed and incoherent in its story telling, and for no apparent reason kills off 2 of the major players in the franchise, and moves on as if nothing has happened.

I agree that the producers for this one simply made this movie to be a prequel to X-Men and X-Men United, and ignored Last Stand and Wolverine all together. Which is a good thing, a very good thing.

I think it was a very good movie, not on par with Dark Knight but that's a tough act to follow so no worries there.

The movie manages to intertwine actual historical events with the X-Men mythos quite well. I had fun overall even if it was a 2 and half hour movie.

As far as Angel Salvatore, yes she has nothing to do with the Warren Worthington Angel from the comics who was part of the original team.

I did enjoy the small cameos by Rebecca Romjin and Hugh Jackman, by the way his remark was just awesome.

My only real gripe is with the Alex Summers character, seeing as he is supposed to be Scott's younger brother it kind of kills off that relationship completely. Perhaps they'll turn him into a hybrid of Alex and Corsair a.k.a Christopher Summers (their father). Considering the first X-Men movie was released in 2000 as was supposed to be set in the near future. Lets call the near future 2005 maybe 2010 tops, and making Cyclops about 25 or 30 years old puts him to be born around 1980, ample time for Alex Summers from the 1960's to get a girlfriend and procreate.
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Re: X-Men First Class

Postby Anonymous. » Mon Jun 13, 2011 1:36 pm

IIRC, the Director stated that Alex won't be Scott's brother, but they'll be related in some fashion to show that they are 'related'. Or something like that.

Cousins, perhaps?
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Re: X-Men First Class

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Blurrz wrote:IIRC, the Director stated that Alex won't be Scott's brother, but they'll be related in some fashion to show that they are 'related'. Or something like that.

Cousins, perhaps?


That's a bummer really. It's a shame that out of all of the mutants inside of the Marvel Universe, they can't avoid things like this.
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Re: X-Men First Class

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Not the best in the series, but I liked it for what it was. I liked that it was set in the 60s (the same time humans were discovering TFs on the moon :P ) and the elaboration on Magneto's development. The best thing was, of course, Wolverine's scene, and my biggest gripe was Sebastian Shaw. Not Kevin bacon, he was awesome like he is in everything else, but I am a fan of the Dark Phoenix comic story, and Sebastian Shaw is NOT what he was portrayed as in the movie. Doesn't look like that or act like that. It's kind of a sticking point with me, because I am fond of him as a villain. I'll get over it. Overall, good summer fun, hell of a lot better than Thor.
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Re: X-Men First Class

Postby The Happy Locust » Mon Jun 13, 2011 10:42 pm

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Rodimus Prime wrote:Not the best in the series, but I liked it for what it was. I liked that it was set in the 60s (the same time humans were discovering TFs on the moon :P ) and the elaboration on Magneto's development. The best thing was, of course, Wolverine's scene, and my biggest gripe was Sebastian Shaw. Not Kevin bacon, he was awesome like he is in everything else, but I am a fan of the Dark Phoenix comic story, and Sebastian Shaw is NOT what he was portrayed as in the movie. Doesn't look like that or act like that. It's kind of a sticking point with me, because I am fond of him as a villain. I'll get over it. Overall, good summer fun, hell of a lot better than Thor.


Shaw didn't bother me that much. I can see your point about differences though. In comics, Shaw played the bigot while pushing his own agenda for power rather than racial rights or human extermination. Not to mention he never had a kinetic energy redirection power. Seemed more Gambit than Shaw but whatever works. At least they made a nod to the Hellfire club, albeit a conciliatory one.

And Thor was great! ;)
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Re: X-Men First Class

Postby Rodimus Prime » Tue Jun 14, 2011 1:29 am

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Shaw didn't bother me that much. I can see your point about differences though. In comics, Shaw played the bigot while pushing his own agenda for power rather than racial rights or human extermination. Not to mention he never had a kinetic energy redirection power. Seemed more Gambit than Shaw but whatever works. At least they made a nod to the Hellfire club, albeit a conciliatory one.


Yeah, exactly. His abilities were different, and he looked different. In the comics he was kinda short and stocky like Wolverine (and even had his hairstyle, IIRC) and his abilities included increasing a particular person's or object's weight to near infinity.

And Thor was great! ;)


To each his own, I guess. I thought that other than Anthony Hopkins's great performance, it was kinda boring with some comedy sprinkled around. The end was alright action-wise, but it's nowhere near at the top of this year's list for me, nor is it high on my Marvel list. Then again, I saw it as a general movie-goer, because other than the Secret Wars, I never got into his comics story.
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Re: X-Men First Class

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Burn wrote:The only high point for me was Hugh Jackman's brief appearance.


I love that scene!!

But as far as a "prequel" I don't know.. It kind of kills some of the things that have been established as well as screwing the "Wolverine origins" movie..

No one seems to know if this is a prequel, reboot or some kind of re-imagining using some of the elements from the other movies (ravens look, etc..)

It was James Bondish and fun though.

*edit*
It actually seems like a reboot to me..


I think, considering it had the exact same first scenes as the first movie, it can be considered a prequel to at least X-Men and X2.

I think its possible that the writers acknowledged the first two movies as the movies that are generally loved, while Wolverine and X-Men 3 are both generally disliked and (in X-Men 3s case) widely regarded as having suffered from dodgy writing and decided to roll with it. There are no inconsistencies between this and the first two movies.

Wolverine and X-Men 3 however just are 100% incompatible. Emma Frost is completely different in First Class, Xavier and Magneto's situation makes the starting of X-Men 3 impossible, Xavier's cameo in Wolverine could not have happened, Scott Summers was seen during the Cerebro search at an age that cannot work with his age in Wolverine Origins, etc.


Inconsistencies were very much evident in the 1st movie, when they are showing Scott and Jean as part of the 1st class. The new movie is stupid as the characters are crap. How can Havok and Scott be brothers when Havok is about 16 in 1967 and Cyclops is about 15 in Wolverine which is set decades later? The fact that they actually picked Angel Salvatore as a character in the film is ridicious. Her character sucks. As does Darwin. I can think of many other X-men that they could have used over those flakes. The new movie is a rental at best.


Anyone who thinks First Class is better than Wolverine is off their meds.....
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Re: X-Men First Class

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Burn wrote:The only high point for me was Hugh Jackman's brief appearance.


I love that scene!!

But as far as a "prequel" I don't know.. It kind of kills some of the things that have been established as well as screwing the "Wolverine origins" movie..

No one seems to know if this is a prequel, reboot or some kind of re-imagining using some of the elements from the other movies (ravens look, etc..)

It was James Bondish and fun though.

*edit*
It actually seems like a reboot to me..


I think, considering it had the exact same first scenes as the first movie, it can be considered a prequel to at least X-Men and X2.

I think its possible that the writers acknowledged the first two movies as the movies that are generally loved, while Wolverine and X-Men 3 are both generally disliked and (in X-Men 3s case) widely regarded as having suffered from dodgy writing and decided to roll with it. There are no inconsistencies between this and the first two movies.

Wolverine and X-Men 3 however just are 100% incompatible. Emma Frost is completely different in First Class, Xavier and Magneto's situation makes the starting of X-Men 3 impossible, Xavier's cameo in Wolverine could not have happened, Scott Summers was seen during the Cerebro search at an age that cannot work with his age in Wolverine Origins, etc.


Inconsistencies were very much evident in the 1st movie, when they are showing Scott and Jean as part of the 1st class. The new movie is stupid as the characters are crap. How can Havok and Scott be brothers when Havok is about 16 in 1967 and Cyclops is about 15 in Wolverine which is set decades later? The fact that they actually picked Angel Salvatore as a character in the film is ridicious. Her character sucks. As does Darwin. I can think of many other X-men that they could have used over those flakes. The new movie is a rental at best.


Anyone who thinks First Class is better than Wolverine is off their meds.....


I've been off them for a while now.
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Re: X-Men First Class

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