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Emperor Primacron the 1st wrote:Anyone saying downloading it is illegal and so on.....


I am sure everyone at some time had taken a casette tape and recorded music off the radio, same thing witl file sharing.

and the reason theater attendences are lower these days are:

3: Carpetting that has not been washed since 1982.

4: COUNTLESS NUMBERS OF SMEGGING PREVIEWS!!!!!

5: Ending up sitting next to some fat, sweaty she-hag.

6: People talking at the film.

7: Seats are covered in some bodily fluids I am not in a hurry to know what they are.

8: DVD's come with the stuff laying on the cutting room floor.

You know...Every one of those is right.

I mean, people who like to act all condescending towards movie downloaders (Hi, Ironhidensh!) are missing the MAJOR fact that going to see a movie... you're not even seeing the whole movie anymore.

A DVD comes out, there's more footage, there's fun extras... and it's yours forever.

All seeing it in a stupid, smelly, stanky, sticky theatre is to watch a really long preview.
Problem is, you're paying a good few bucks to do so.

I used to watch movies ALOT. And now that I think about it, the experiences often sucked, for one or more reasons.
The projector would be screwed up, newborns would be crying through it, bratty kids running up and down the aisle while fatass parents sat there yelling, people licking and tossing jujube's at the screen to see if they stick, flows of sugary liquid spilling all over your shoes from further up, people talking, people who already saw it giving away everything to friends, ushers swinging flashlights around just because some goofy kids were making out... silently, your limbs falling asleep, bad audio, idiots not dimming the lights until everyone in the theater's yelling, smelly people, people squishing by you, people kicking your chair, tall people blocking your view, improper heating / cooling, can't pause the movie to pee... which leads to people "adding" to the spilled soda on the floor, the smell of excrement, "EXIT" sign distracting your vision, cellphones going off, creaky doors as people exit and enter, poopy picture quality to begin with, losing your EXPENSIVE concession stand goodies to folding seats because there was nowhere else to put them, and the lines, lines, LINES!

So really...
Illegaly downloading a movie before you waste time/money/whatever on it is "bad"?
Technically, but so is jaywalking. And like jaywalking, it's just UNREASONABLE to adhere to that law.

If one chooses to be so ANAL as to say people downloading movies should be "heavily fined or thrown in jail", then I applaud them for never having jaywalked, loitered out in a parking lot, downloaded or saved ANYTHING from online they didn't have permission to, etc etc.

We're BOUND in laws these days. Getting in your car and going out shopping almost certainly involves some unseen, outdated law being broken.

Ironhidensh, aside from me observing time and again that you're PROBABLY a plant for promotion of this movie, that you often have to jump in whenever the word "download" appears or someone says anything even remotely negative, I do want to know who you think is being hurt by seeing the movie before deciding to support it.

And have you EVER broken a law because it was outdated, unjustified, or too bothersome to adhere to?
You can PM me that answer, for this topic's already been pooped on once.

Anyway, one positive side effect to this movie could be studios realizing that accessing the mind of the fans better (but not completely) for help on large projects is PROBABLY a good idea.

i know a very law abiding citizen that enjoys movies but he absolutely refuses to step foot in theater he waits for DVD because the theather experience has turned into crap plus with a home theater unit whats the point plus the marked up ticket and concession prices and movies that when compared to the golden age of cenima just plain suck these are real reason why theaters are declining not piracy.

Riotflea wrote:I mean, people who like to act all condescending towards movie downloaders (Hi, Ironhidensh!) are missing the MAJOR fact that going to see a movie... you're not even seeing the whole movie anymore.

While I see what you're saying, I just wanted to pick up on this one sentence. Audiences never saw an entire film; there's always been footage (nearly 80%, apparently) left on the cutting room floor! Audiences have consistently missed out on extra footage; the extra features on DVD's are just that: extra. They're bonuses.

I see what you're saying, though, as the majority of my cinema-going experiences have been less than enjoyable.

Man I'd really hate to see some of the theaters you people describe. The one I go to has inclined rows so even tall people don't block your view. Rows are spaced nicely so you don't have to stand up to let someone by. Competent employees and ushers who I've actually seen remove someone for talking on a phone. Clean floors and handrails. Excellent picture and sound quality. $6.50 for a matinee and the best of all...Reclining seats.

For people like me who only have an LCD screen and some crappy speakers, the theater is wonderful.

Cleanliness and space aren't issues for me. It's the disturbing noise of chatter that puts me off cinemas. Some people can be so rude.

Emperor Primacron the 1st wrote:Anyone saying downloading it is illegal and so on.....


I am sure everyone at some time had taken a casette tape and recorded music off the radio, same thing witl file sharing.

and the reason theater attendences are lower these days are:

1: Near 10 bucks a ticket, especially when no one has money to spend these days in the era of Bushinomics.

2: Paying insane prices for overpriced junkfood and popcorn covered in glop resembling the stuff plastic surgeons suck out of fat people's asses.

3: Carpetting that has not been washed since 1982.

4: COUNTLESS NUMBERS OF SMEGGING PREVIEWS!!!!!

5: Ending up sitting next to some fat, sweaty she-hag.

6: People talking at the film.

7: Seats are covered in some bodily fluids I am not in a hurry to know what they are.

8: DVD's come with the stuff laying on the cutting room floor.

9: People only go to theaters nowadays to make out, anyhow.

10: Having to duck your head when the fellow with the camcorder is behind you.

You forgot one: Crappy movie making.

Still a good list though.

I just want to step out and say IMHO it's pretty dumb to come out in the open and admit you intend to bootleg something. Right reasons for doing so or not, it's still illegal. If you want to do something like that, the safest thing to do is to just keep it to yourself.

You guys do what you want. Me, I'm probably going to boycott this movie on its opening weekend, see how it does, and maybe go see it in theaters the weekend after its release.

Leonardo wrote:Cleanliness and space aren't issues for me. It's the disturbing noise of chatter that puts me off cinemas. Some people can be so rude.

Come live in Ohio. The corn growing is louder than the people in the theater. It's great!

Zuko wrote:Man I'd really hate to see some of the theaters you people describe. The one I go to has inclined rows so even tall people don't block your view. Rows are spaced nicely so you don't have to stand up to let someone by. Competent employees and ushers who I've actually seen remove someone for talking on a phone. Clean floors and handrails. Excellent picture and sound quality. $6.50 for a matinee and the best of all...Reclining seats.

For people like me who only have an LCD screen and some crappy speakers, the theater is wonderful.

Yeah, the theater where I live is really nice. Nice incline for the seats, it's always clean, previews aren't TOO bad, and people generally shut up. And prices are not half bad.

Also, downloading a movie is one thing (Although you have to wodner what happens when they catch you. I had my internet shut off once for it!), but downloading to prove a point (Such as to discourage a director) is all kinds of stupid.

Leonardo wrote:

Riotflea wrote:I mean, people who like to act all condescending towards movie downloaders (Hi, Ironhidensh!) are missing the MAJOR fact that going to see a movie... you're not even seeing the whole movie anymore.

While I see what you're saying, I just wanted to pick up on this one sentence. Audiences never saw an entire film; there's always been footage (nearly 80%, apparently) left on the cutting room floor! Audiences have consistently missed out on extra footage; the extra features on DVD's are just that: extra. They're bonuses.

There is also a reason that footage gets cut, most of it is rubbish. It either doesnt work visually, doesnt really fit the continuity of the story or slows down the pace of the movie too much. It only when directors are given strict guidelines on how long their movie can be that the good stuff gets cut. However it is nice to get that material as part of a DVD just so you can make you own mind about whether it should have been in the movie or not.

Yours AK

I will watch this movie at home, then the big screen if its worth it. I like the toylines for the most part. A little on the box office demise for a minute whom seem to think movies at the theaters are loosing steam....

Da Vinci Code
Released in US May 19, 2006

Total US Gross $217,536,138
Production Budget $125,000,000
Worldwide Gross $756,236,138

Released in US December 22, 2006
Total US Gross $226,395,996
Worldwide Gross $438,395,996
MPAA Rating PG-13 for mild action, language and brief rude humor

Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest

Released in US July 7, 2006

Total US Gross $423,416,000
Production Budget $150,000,000
Worldwide Gross $1,064,516,000
MPAA Rating PG-13 for intense sequences of adventure violence, including frightening images
TV Rights (USA, sold July, 2006): Undisclosed. Estimated at $20 million - $25 million
Running Time: 151 minutes

The Queen

Released in US September 30, 2006 (limited)
Total US Gross $46,524,527
Production Budget $15,000,000
Worldwide Gross $70,524,527
MPAA Rating PG-13 for brief strong language.
Budget Source: Screen International, 9/8/2006

MI 3
Released in US May 5, 2006
October 30, 2006 (DVD Sale)
October 30, 2006 (HD-DVD Sale)
October 30, 2006 (Blu-Ray Sale)
Total US Gross $133,501,348
Production Budget $150,000,000
Worldwide Gross $395,695,255
MPAA Rating PG-13 for intense sequences of frenetic violenc

And our movie...
Released in US July 4, 2007
Total US Gross $0
Production Budget $150,000,000
Highest Combined Star Gross 146 (see full chart)
Distributed by Dreamworks SKG
Source Based on TV
Major Genre Action
Country United States
Production Method Live Action
Creative Type Science Fiction
Director Michael Bay
Cast
Shia Labeouf Spike Witwicky
John Turturro Simmons
Jon Voight Keller
Bernie Mac Bobby Bolivia
Josh Duhamel Commander Lennox
Michael Clarke Duncan Officer Figueroa
Kevin Dunn Sparkplug Witwicky
Megan Fox Mikaela
Tyrese Gibson Epps
Zack Ward Donnely
Chris Ellis Admiral Brigham
Rachael Taylor Maggie
Anthony Anderson Glen
Frank Welker Megatron

metalslugx1942 wrote:I will watch this movie at home, then the big screen if its worth it. I like the toylines for the most part. A little on the box office demise for a minute whom seem to think movies at the theaters are loosing steam....

(Box Office data)

Gross and ticket sales are not one and the same. You're not taking into account increased price of tickets or even comparative data or even averages. If I wanted to be a jerk I could simply post the box-office data of Titanic which came out over a decade ago and made more than all those films but it wouldn't be a fair comparison either.

Not all ticket prices are uniform around the USA, nor aroundthe world, but when you look at the numbers, of budget needed to complete, and gross numbers at the end of the life of the film in theaters you will see that it far exceed the first numbers. And that is all taken into account our current economic standings with inflation. So, in essence, is the average ticket price is 10$, and a movie makes 300 million USA wide, thats 30 million ticket sales. So seeing as how in some cases ticket sales are lower in certain states, its well possible that it could far exceed that number. My point is, the movie industry is not suffering, just bad movies are. And that statement to me was to show that piracy has not really dented anything too much, is just Hollywood wants as much as it can get.

Titanic Data
Released in US December 19, 1997
Total US Gross $600,788,188(ticket sales, not including rentals)
Production Budget $200,000,000
Prints and Advertising Budget $20,000,000
Rentals $324,425,000
Worldwide Gross $1,835,400,000
MPAA Rating PG-13 for disaster related peril and violence, nudity, sensuality and brief language
Running Time: 194 minutes
TV Rights (NBC/HBO): $55,000,000
Worldwide video and DVD sales and rentals: $1,200,000,000
2nd most total weekends at top of charts: 15 (ET: The Extra-Terrestrial holds the record with 16 weeks)
Holds record for longest run at top of charts: 15
All-Time Box Office Rank 1
Equal-fastest movie to $400m gross 66 days - equal with Spider-Man (see full chart)
Fastest movie to $500m gross 98 days (December 19th, 1997 - March 26th, 1998)
Fastest movie to $600m gross 252 days (December 19th, 1997 - August 25th, 1998)
Academy Award Winner, 1997 Best Picture
Highest Combined Star Gross 106 (see full chart)
Keywords Visual Effects, Disaster, Cross-Class Romance
Distributed by 20th Century Fox
Music Composed By James Horner
Source Based on Real Life Events
Award Best Picture Oscar
Major Genre Drama
Production Method Live Action
Creative Type Dramatization
Time Frame 1910-1920
Director James Cameron

So as you can see, Titanic was not as successful as some might have thought, and the average ticket sale then, atleast in major cities was 9.00 and the estimated nationwide prices were 4.68. This years average ticket prices believe it or not, is 6.58 nationwide according to boxofficemojo.com

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/about/adjuster.htm

I've cut down my time here a lotin the last few months. I'm guessing the film will put me over the age. I guess I just lost interest.

metalslugx1942 wrote:Not all ticket prices are uniform around the USA, nor aroundthe world, but when you look at the numbers, of budget needed to complete, and gross numbers at the end of the life of the film in theaters you will see that it far exceed the first numbers. And that is all taken into account our current economic standings with inflation. So, in essence, is the average ticket price is 10$, and a movie makes 300 million USA wide, thats 30 million ticket sales. So seeing as how in some cases ticket sales are lower in certain states, its well possible that it could far exceed that number. My point is, the movie industry is not suffering, just bad movies are. And that statement to me was to show that piracy has not really dented anything too much, is just Hollywood wants as much as it can get.

Apologies, I was typing as I went out the door. What I was trying to say was the the stats you provided alone aren't evidence of anything besides Hollywood films being a multibillion dollar industry. While you obviously meant to show that Hollywood is making increased profits, which I don't argue with, the numbers you provided alone weren't proof of that.

The theaters, on the other hand, aren't profiting as well as the production companies/distributors and it's their floundering that the MPAA blames on piracy. Ticket prices do indeed vary, not just by location but time as well (matinees, 2-for-1s, etc). But, on average, theater attendance has been steadily declining. If you want proof of that you can get a rough idea by dividing the top-grossing films of each year http://www.boxofficemojo.com/yearly/ or yearly total (including indie/unrated films) http://www.boxofficemojo.com/yearly/?vi ... ate&p=.htm by that year's average ticket price http://www.natoonline.org/statisticstickets.htm . It doesn't account for factors like market competition or quality of films, of course, but the decline as a whole is there either way.

Coupled with declining ticket sales the theaters themselves are allowed to keep smaller and smaller percentages of per-ticket sales so, while the number of screens has increased (in part because of theaters replacing their old cinemas with the newer, smaller, arena-type that can fit more attendees per showing) http://www.natoonline.org/statisticsscreens.htm the theater industry itself has only recently begun to stabilize as seen by the number of theaters lost over the past decade http://www.natoonline.org/statisticssites.htm . How long this small upswing will last is anyone's guess.

So, in short, while people in Hollywood continue to make money the theater industry is suffering be it whether you believe it's due to Hollywood, piracy, or their own failures.

Well, you make a very good arguement there with your post. I do see the point of alot more venues closing down, but being replaced with more seaters, and so forth. And I think we are at an in between point in both our arguements and I'm sticking with that...lol. I think that soon, they(theaters)will be gone, and more affordable home theaters will replace them as we will be able to order the films via our homes. I hope not, because I love the whole theater thing, and if one thing came out of this new TF movie, is that we have educated ourselves more about the movie industry and maybe some of our friends here, maybe even more so than they would have like to know.

Last I paid for a movie was 12.50, and that's was something, lucky me, it was a good movie. Well, I want to watch this movie early morning, because I don't like heads in front of me or a neck pain by sitting in the front, or lastly, I don't want to paid more money in the evening, bad parking, just to find out that it was all waste of time. I'll see how my luck goes, that's life.

NightFall wrote:Last I paid for a movie was 12.50, and that's was something, lucky me, it was a good movie. Well, I want to watch this movie early morning, because I don't like heads in front of me or a neck pain by sitting in the front, or lastly, I don't want to paid more money in the evening, bad parking, just to find out that it was all waste of time. I'll see how my luck goes, that's life.

12.50 for one ticket!?

Phategod1 wrote:

NightFall wrote:Last I paid for a movie was 12.50, and that's was something, lucky me, it was a good movie. Well, I want to watch this movie early morning, because I don't like heads in front of me or a neck pain by sitting in the front, or lastly, I don't want to paid more money in the evening, bad parking, just to find out that it was all waste of time. I'll see how my luck goes, that's life.

12.50 for one ticket!?

Yeah, really. Matinees are your friend. Especially early Sunday when it's typically quiet.

I've always had an overall positive outlook on this movie. The new toys, the possibilities of my favorite franchise hitting the big-time. I've enjoyed just about every part of it outside of the early Megatron redesign pics from last year. I mean, c'mon, who wouldn't want an Optimus Prime transforming pillow?

Alex Kingdom wrote:

Leonardo wrote:

Riotflea wrote:I mean, people who like to act all condescending towards movie downloaders (Hi, Ironhidensh!) are missing the MAJOR fact that going to see a movie... you're not even seeing the whole movie anymore.

While I see what you're saying, I just wanted to pick up on this one sentence. Audiences never saw an entire film; there's always been footage (nearly 80%, apparently) left on the cutting room floor! Audiences have consistently missed out on extra footage; the extra features on DVD's are just that: extra. They're bonuses.

There is also a reason that footage gets cut, most of it is rubbish. It either doesnt work visually, doesnt really fit the continuity of the story or slows down the pace of the movie too much. It only when directors are given strict guidelines on how long their movie can be that the good stuff gets cut. However it is nice to get that material as part of a DVD just so you can make you own mind about whether it should have been in the movie or not.

Yours AK

Actually, in my Lord of the Rings DVD's, which have over half hour each of extra footage, the extra footage should have been left in the orginal cut, since it either explained stuff, or made the film better to watch.

Emperor Primacron the 1st wrote:

Alex Kingdom wrote:

Leonardo wrote:

Riotflea wrote:I mean, people who like to act all condescending towards movie downloaders (Hi, Ironhidensh!) are missing the MAJOR fact that going to see a movie... you're not even seeing the whole movie anymore.

While I see what you're saying, I just wanted to pick up on this one sentence. Audiences never saw an entire film; there's always been footage (nearly 80%, apparently) left on the cutting room floor! Audiences have consistently missed out on extra footage; the extra features on DVD's are just that: extra. They're bonuses.

There is also a reason that footage gets cut, most of it is rubbish. It either doesnt work visually, doesnt really fit the continuity of the story or slows down the pace of the movie too much. It only when directors are given strict guidelines on how long their movie can be that the good stuff gets cut. However it is nice to get that material as part of a DVD just so you can make you own mind about whether it should have been in the movie or not.

Yours AK

Actually, in my Lord of the Rings DVD's, which have over half hour each of extra footage, the extra footage should have been left in the orginal cut, since it either explained stuff, or made the film better to watch.

Indeed but thats your opinion, a lot of people complained that at 3 hours plus the LOTR movies were way too long. Imaging how long each would have been if they include all that footage! Most average movie goers would have been turned off by having to sit there for 3-4 hours.

Yours AK

Alex Kingdom wrote:

Emperor Primacron the 1st wrote:

Alex Kingdom wrote:

Leonardo wrote:

Riotflea wrote:I mean, people who like to act all condescending towards movie downloaders (Hi, Ironhidensh!) are missing the MAJOR fact that going to see a movie... you're not even seeing the whole movie anymore.

While I see what you're saying, I just wanted to pick up on this one sentence. Audiences never saw an entire film; there's always been footage (nearly 80%, apparently) left on the cutting room floor! Audiences have consistently missed out on extra footage; the extra features on DVD's are just that: extra. They're bonuses.

There is also a reason that footage gets cut, most of it is rubbish. It either doesnt work visually, doesnt really fit the continuity of the story or slows down the pace of the movie too much. It only when directors are given strict guidelines on how long their movie can be that the good stuff gets cut. However it is nice to get that material as part of a DVD just so you can make you own mind about whether it should have been in the movie or not.

Yours AK

Actually, in my Lord of the Rings DVD's, which have over half hour each of extra footage, the extra footage should have been left in the orginal cut, since it either explained stuff, or made the film better to watch.

Indeed but thats your opinion, a lot of people complained that at 3 hours plus the LOTR movies were way too long. Imaging how long each would have been if they include all that footage! Most average movie goers would have been turned off by having to sit there for 3-4 hours.

Yours AK

I would've been put off, I think.

One thing I like about the movie is that there are no "clones" or "repaint" characters. As much as I would've liked to have seen Thundercracker and Skywarp, I can't imagine watching three of the same robot on screen. For my liking they would've had to give each different alt.modes, but not including them at all works just as well.

Heavens, that was a garbled paragraph.

um... positive......hmm.... maybe this crapfest film will cause a backlash against the movie style and get Classics restarted as dozens of TF fans see their childhoods figuratively get rear-ended with a broom handle on screen on July 4th... No, not bitter at all.

Scaleface wrote:um... positive......hmm.... maybe this crapfest film will cause a backlash against the movie style and get Classics restarted as dozens of TF fans see their childhoods figuratively get rear-ended with a broom handle on screen on July 4th... No, not bitter at all.

Actualy I'd like to see this movie and the toy line die on it's ass, and the Transformers brand to take a massive nose dive forcing Hasbro(and Takara) to get off their asses and do something inovative and intelligent with the line to save it. Rather than relying on G1 nostalgia as a back up plan as they have for the last 5+ years. to paraphrase good friend of mine, Through desperation and adversity comes ingenuity, though complatency things become stagnated and apathetic. Case in point: crummy sales led to the renaissance of Transformers via Beast Wars.

Yours AK

Alex Kingdom wrote: to paraphrase good friend of mine, Through desperation and adversity comes ingenuity, though complatency things become stagnated and apathetic.

Ugh, "that" guy. Whatever happened to him?