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Postby Predaprince » Tue Feb 06, 2007 7:44 am

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1.) Despite the fact that a good-sized amount of us do not like how the TFs look in the movie, if the movie flops because of other reasons we will all be happy that Bay and Co. didn't use the original G1 designs and destroy the G1 nostalgia.

2.) This movie will, in no way, affect my views on Transformers in general nor any of the specific TF shows/genres respectively.
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Postby Ironhidensh » Tue Feb 06, 2007 10:20 am

I sincerely hope that anyone who illegally downloads this movie is caught, and heavily fined or thrown in jail. I suppose in the vast list of criminal offenses, this isn't that severe, but I cannot stand thieves. If you aren't willing to pay for something others have worked hard on, they you don't get to see it. Period. By the way, I hope your parents are all happy with being failures at raising children.
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Postby Senor Hugo » Tue Feb 06, 2007 10:34 am

Ironhidensh wrote:I sincerely hope that anyone who illegally downloads this movie is caught, and heavily fined or thrown in jail. I suppose in the vast list of criminal offenses, this isn't that severe, but I cannot stand thieves. If you aren't willing to pay for something others have worked hard on, they you don't get to see it. Period. By the way, I hope your parents are all happy with being failures at raising children.


Hey, if it was worth seeing it in theatres. We'd see it in theatres.

When I watch it on my computer and believe that it's worth seeing in the theatre. I'll go and see it.

I'm a pirate, and proud of it. The whole 'boo hoo you're stealing stuff that people worked hard on' schpeel is old. Obviously they didn't work hard enough on it for us to not pay to see it. Not to mention the only people getting hurt would be the crew, but then the studio already paid them.

So Bay won't be able to own his second helicopter like he wanted. It'll teach him to make better movies.
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Postby Alex Kingdom » Tue Feb 06, 2007 11:29 am

Ironhidensh wrote:I sincerely hope that anyone who illegally downloads this movie is caught, and heavily fined or thrown in jail. I suppose in the vast list of criminal offenses, this isn't that severe, but I cannot stand thieves. If you aren't willing to pay for something others have worked hard on, they you don't get to see it. Period. By the way, I hope your parents are all happy with being failures at raising children.


And I assume you've never illegally downloaded a thing in you life? Get real. The reason people here are downloading the movie first is because they are worried that if the pay to see it, it will a) be crap, b) Send the message to the guys that made to continue making crap movies, and c) contribute to spawning a crap sequel.

I will no doubt go and see it at the cinema, because I personally wont feel like I've really experienced it properly sat in front of my PC, but I don't hold anything against those who want to try before they buy. If those that download it find they like it I'm sure many will go see it at the cinema for the full experience and they'll go knowing they wont be waisting their money.

Edit: Oops I broke the say something positive rule there. I hope no one saw :wink:

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Postby Ironhidensh » Tue Feb 06, 2007 12:50 pm

Fine. Maybe the comment on parents was a little harsh and un-called for. If you are going to download, fine do it. Don't try and act like there is nothing wrong with what you are doing, or that you are some sort of modern day Robin Hood, righting the wrongs and whatnot. I still say if you aren't willing to pay for it, you shouldn't get to see it. It isn't protest, its being a spoiled little child.


Alex Kingdom wrote:Positive things about this movie looking like crap?
- I'll spend less time on this site and the internet in general and do something more worthwhile with my life.

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Perhaps something we should all take to heart.
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Postby Leonardo » Tue Feb 06, 2007 12:53 pm

Alex Kingdom wrote:Edit: Oops I broke the say something positive rule there. I hope no one saw :wink:


I think the "I'll most likely pay to see it at the theatre" comment counts. It's a big step for someone who loathes this feature so much!
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Postby Milanion » Tue Feb 06, 2007 12:54 pm

I like that he's at least honest about it. That counts for a lot.
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Postby Alex Kingdom » Tue Feb 06, 2007 1:02 pm

Leonardo wrote:
Alex Kingdom wrote:Edit: Oops I broke the say something positive rule there. I hope no one saw :wink:


I think the "I'll most likely pay to see it at the theatre" comment counts. It's a big step for someone who loathes this feature so much!


What can I say, I'm a Transformers fan and despite all appearances this is a Transformers movie. Besides how will I ever know for sure its as bad as I think it's going to be if I never see it? I know one thing for sure tho, I wont be going to see this 2, 3, or 4 times like I will Spider-man 3. That is were the makes of this movie will be losing out on fan revenue.

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Postby Predaprince » Tue Feb 06, 2007 1:03 pm

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Alex Kingdom wrote:What can I say, I'm a Transformers fan and despite all appearances this is a Transformers movie. Besides how will I ever know for sure its as bad as I think it's going to be if I never see it? I know one thing for sure tho, I wont be going to see this 2, 3, or 4 times like I will Spider-man 3. That is were the makes of this movie will be losing out on fan revenue.

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Postby NewFoundStarscreamLuv » Tue Feb 06, 2007 11:15 pm

1) there will be a movie with robots smashing things....
2) some of my friends who "don't understand" think the movie looks cool
3) it looks better than a lot of other movies did at this stage (FF *cough*, ghost rider *cough*)
4) some girls might be interested in my transformers movie and toys

I dont download movies or anything, but anytime anyone gets mad about people "stealing" movies etc I always think of southpark....

"look at lars ulrich...he wanted a gold plated shark tank to put next to his swim up bar...but because you downloaded his CD, he will have to wait several more weeks...."

besides its the production/recording companies who produce nothing who make most of the money, not the artists.

I wont go further, I don't want to deviate the thread topic.
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Postby Stormrider » Wed Feb 07, 2007 4:16 am

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NewFoundStarscreamLuv wrote:3) it looks better than a lot of other movies did at this stage (FF *cough*, ghost rider *cough*)



Yeah, the special effects for Ghostrider look pretty bad.
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Postby War Hammer » Wed Feb 07, 2007 9:31 am

Something positive about the Transforming robots movie …… It has Cullen as Prime again, erm that’s all I can think of :lol:
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Postby Leonardo » Wed Feb 07, 2007 1:05 pm

You may jest, but presently Cullen's tones are the only reason I really want to see this movie.
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Postby SeekerInAFakeMoustache » Wed Feb 07, 2007 8:40 pm

Even though I cannot stand most of what I've seen...

...I do think Shia will make a decent Spike.
...I like the objectformers.

Alex Kingdom wrote:Positive things about this movie looking like crap?

- If it's slightly better than crap I'll be pleasently suprised.
- I'll save money by not buying the toys/Mechendise
- I'll spend less time on this site and the internet in general and do something more worthwhile with my life.


I second those, too.
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Postby AbsumZer0 » Wed Feb 07, 2007 9:28 pm

Meh. I'm not going to be downloading it but only because at this point I really don't care enough to see it to bother with finding it and tying-up my connection. As of now I'm only interested in seeing whether it'll make enough to be considered 'critic-proof' and whether it'll move merchandise. I'll just catch it on HBO or borrow it from a friend who buys the dvd.

Positive things:

1) Some of the toys do look semi-appealing to me (granted, one of my all-time favorite tfs is Beast Machines Hammerstrike, simply because it's so damn goofy).

2) Takara/Tomy is still free to do their own thing.

3) It saves me the cost of a ticket/ $7 soda/ frustration from cell phones ringing and people talking/ hearing loss/ from being compelled to see it in theaters.

4) If by some chance it doesn't do well in theaters it'll be one more thing to mock Don Murphy over.

5) It might make the upcoming Evangelion film look slightly less disappointing by comparison.
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Postby Phategod1 » Wed Feb 07, 2007 9:49 pm

Senor Hugo wrote:
Ironhidensh wrote:I sincerely hope that anyone who illegally downloads this movie is caught, and heavily fined or thrown in jail. I suppose in the vast list of criminal offenses, this isn't that severe, but I cannot stand thieves. If you aren't willing to pay for something others have worked hard on, they you don't get to see it. Period. By the way, I hope your parents are all happy with being failures at raising children.


Hey, if it was worth seeing it in theatres. We'd see it in theatres.

When I watch it on my computer and believe that it's worth seeing in the theatre. I'll go and see it.

I'm a pirate, and proud of it. The whole 'boo hoo you're stealing stuff that people worked hard on' schpeel is old. Obviously they didn't work hard enough on it for us to not pay to see it. Not to mention the only people getting hurt would be the crew, but then the studio already paid them.

So Bay won't be able to own his second helicopter like he wanted. It'll teach him to make better movies.


ARGH MATEY, I have a question If I borrow a Bootleg Copy or a real DVD and I didn't pay for it do I still deserve to watch it. My one Positive is the 360 Video Game coming out in June, based on the Movie Most Licensed game suck but I guarantee it will be better then the movie Unless it's like that catwoman game.
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Postby AbsumZer0 » Wed Feb 07, 2007 10:11 pm

Phategod1 wrote:
Senor Hugo wrote:
Ironhidensh wrote:I sincerely hope that anyone who illegally downloads this movie is caught, and heavily fined or thrown in jail. I suppose in the vast list of criminal offenses, this isn't that severe, but I cannot stand thieves. If you aren't willing to pay for something others have worked hard on, they you don't get to see it. Period. By the way, I hope your parents are all happy with being failures at raising children.


Hey, if it was worth seeing it in theatres. We'd see it in theatres.

When I watch it on my computer and believe that it's worth seeing in the theatre. I'll go and see it.

I'm a pirate, and proud of it. The whole 'boo hoo you're stealing stuff that people worked hard on' schpeel is old. Obviously they didn't work hard enough on it for us to not pay to see it. Not to mention the only people getting hurt would be the crew, but then the studio already paid them.

So Bay won't be able to own his second helicopter like he wanted. It'll teach him to make better movies.


ARGH MATEY, I have a question If I borrow a Bootleg Copy or a real DVD and I didn't pay for it do I still deserve to watch it.


The current per-ticket take of a summer flick during the first few weeks is currently over 95%, around 20% more than it was a decade ago. Meaning the theater makes less than 5% of the ticket sale. The only reason theaters can still afford to operate (and there are far fewer of them than there used to be) is because they charge a markup of around 500%-700% on their concessions. Less than 1/10th of attendees actually purchase concessions because they (necessarily) cost far more than they would outside. Because the theaters can't afford to pay competitive wages they're primarily (under)staffed by desperate teenagers without job experience who don't really know how to operate a projector and are afraid to tell people talking on cell-phones or with screaming babies to quit it.

The reason theater attendance has declined so dramatically according to the MPAA? Digital piracy.
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Postby Emperor Primacron the 1st » Thu Feb 08, 2007 1:46 am

Anyone saying downloading it is illegal and so on.....


I am sure everyone at some time had taken a casette tape and recorded music off the radio, same thing witl file sharing.

and the reason theater attendences are lower these days are:

1: Near 10 bucks a ticket, especially when no one has money to spend these days in the era of Bushinomics.:-(

2: Paying insane prices for overpriced junkfood and popcorn covered in glop resembling the stuff plastic surgeons suck out of fat people's asses. :?

3: Carpetting that has not been washed since 1982. :-P

4: COUNTLESS NUMBERS OF SMEGGING PREVIEWS!!!!! :P

5: Ending up sitting next to some fat, sweaty she-hag. :shock:

6: People talking at the film.:roll:

7: Seats are covered in some bodily fluids I am not in a hurry to know what they are. :MAD:

8: DVD's come with the stuff laying on the cutting room floor. :wink:

9: People only go to theaters nowadays to make out, anyhow. :-?

10: Having to duck your head when the fellow with the camcorder is behind you. :lol:
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Postby kjeevah » Thu Feb 08, 2007 4:18 am

Zuko wrote:Considering downloading it in the first place is a negative, anyone who answers has already failed at answering this thread correctly.


you misunderstand. the point of the the thread is 'you already have plenty of negative stuff about it, is there anything positive at all'

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although having said that personally i have no problem with downloading, and know that soon it will be perfectly legal and acceptable.. even the current model of pay-per-download i-tunes style is outdated. it's the quivalent of every channel on tv being pay-per-view for every single program, or even pay-per-listen radio, its ridiculous.

already (in england at least) most tv channels now broadacst everything for free over the internet, and allow you to download the programs too. i work for the bbc so i know all of the ins and outs and rights issues with this.

for expensive things like new release movies and music, ISPs will simply buy distribution rights, and this cost will be included in your monthly fee. exactly the same as cable/satellite tv currently works - you want access to all the latest sports coverage and movies, then you get a more expensive package. soon there will be no distinction between TV and internet, there wil just be content provision and viewing.

the only reason downloading does any harm at the moment is because companies are too slow to catch on, simple fact is that people WANT to download stuff, and ISPs are idiots for not cottoning on to the most simple business model in the book, supply and demand.
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Postby kjeevah » Thu Feb 08, 2007 4:21 am

Emperor Primacron the 1st wrote:anyone saying downloading it is illegal and so on.....


I am sure everyone at some time had taken a casette tape and recorded music off the radio, same thing witl file sharing.

and the reason theater attendences are lower these days are:

1: Near 10 bucks a ticket, especially when no one has money to spend these days in the era of Bushinomics.:-(

2: Paying insane prices for overpriced junkfood and popcorn covered in glop resembling the stuff plastic surgeons suck out of fat people's asses. :?

3: Carpetting that has not been washed since 1982. :-P

4: COUNTLESS NUMBERS OF SMEGGING PREVIEWS!!!!! :P

5: Ending up sitting next to some fat, sweaty she-hag. :shock:

6: People talking at the film.:roll:

7: Seats are covered in some bodily fluids I am not in a hurry to know what they are. :MAD:

8: DVD's come with the stuff laying on the cutting room floor. :wink:

9: People only go to theaters nowadays to make out, anyhow. :-?

10: Having to duck your head when the fellow with the camcorder is behind you. :lol:


you missed off what i think is the key point in the death of cinema -

HOME CINEMA

why go pay megabucks to see a film on what is a lesser experience than getting some mates around to watch a film on your 7.1 dolby HD projector setup. but personally i cant afford a home cinema setup so i'll be going to see it at the cinema on launch day to see the effects in all their glory, and also downloading it the same day so i dont waste hundreds on repeat viewings. in 10 years time when every singlemovie is released direct-to-download in full HD, it'll be a different story.

BACK ON TOPIC......

i coulnt possibly say one positive thing about the movie, because there are two damn many. to quickly sum up what i think though...

when i saw that dancing transformer citroen advert, i thought.. man. this would make an amazing movie. shortly afterwards, my prayers were answered. my primary concern is seeing a movie of real-life giant transforming robots stomping around the place. if the story is any good, thats a bonus, and if it has some of my old favourite transformers characters in, then, well, thats an even bigger bonus.
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Postby Riotflea » Thu Feb 08, 2007 5:33 am

Emperor Primacron the 1st wrote:Anyone saying downloading it is illegal and so on.....


I am sure everyone at some time had taken a casette tape and recorded music off the radio, same thing witl file sharing.

and the reason theater attendences are lower these days are:

3: Carpetting that has not been washed since 1982. :-P

4: COUNTLESS NUMBERS OF SMEGGING PREVIEWS!!!!! :P

5: Ending up sitting next to some fat, sweaty she-hag. :shock:

6: People talking at the film.:roll:

7: Seats are covered in some bodily fluids I am not in a hurry to know what they are. :MAD:

8: DVD's come with the stuff laying on the cutting room floor. :wink:



You know...Every one of those is right.

I mean, people who like to act all condescending towards movie downloaders (Hi, Ironhidensh!) are missing the MAJOR fact that going to see a movie... you're not even seeing the whole movie anymore.

A DVD comes out, there's more footage, there's fun extras... and it's yours forever.

All seeing it in a stupid, smelly, stanky, sticky theatre is to watch a really long preview.
Problem is, you're paying a good few bucks to do so.

I used to watch movies ALOT. And now that I think about it, the experiences often sucked, for one or more reasons.
The projector would be screwed up, newborns would be crying through it, bratty kids running up and down the aisle while fatass parents sat there yelling, people licking and tossing jujube's at the screen to see if they stick, flows of sugary liquid spilling all over your shoes from further up, people talking, people who already saw it giving away everything to friends, ushers swinging flashlights around just because some goofy kids were making out... silently, your limbs falling asleep, bad audio, idiots not dimming the lights until everyone in the theater's yelling, smelly people, people squishing by you, people kicking your chair, tall people blocking your view, improper heating / cooling, can't pause the movie to pee... which leads to people "adding" to the spilled soda on the floor, the smell of excrement, "EXIT" sign distracting your vision, cellphones going off, creaky doors as people exit and enter, shitty picture quality to begin with, losing your EXPENSIVE concession stand goodies to folding seats because there was nowhere else to put them, and the lines, lines, LINES!

So really...
Illegaly downloading a movie before you waste time/money/whatever on it is "bad"?
Technically, but so is jaywalking. And like jaywalking, it's just UNREASONABLE to adhere to that law.

If one chooses to be so ANAL as to say people downloading movies should be "heavily fined or thrown in jail", then I applaud them for never having jaywalked, loitered out in a parking lot, downloaded or saved ANYTHING from online they didn't have permission to, etc etc.

We're BOUND in laws these days. Getting in your car and going out shopping almost certainly involves some unseen, outdated law being broken.

Ironhidensh, aside from me observing time and again that you're PROBABLY a plant for promotion of this movie, that you often have to jump in whenever the word "download" appears or someone says anything even remotely negative, I do want to know who you think is being hurt by seeing the movie before deciding to support it.

And have you EVER broken a law because it was outdated, unjustified, or too bothersome to adhere to?
You can PM me that answer, for this topic's already been pooped on once.

Anyway, one positive side effect to this movie could be studios realizing that accessing the mind of the fans better (but not completely) for help on large projects is PROBABLY a good idea.
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Postby Phategod1 » Thu Feb 08, 2007 6:05 am

i know a very law abiding citizen that enjoys movies but he absolutely refuses to step foot in theater he waits for DVD because the theather experience has turned into crap plus with a home theater unit whats the point plus the marked up ticket and concession prices and movies that when compared to the golden age of cenima just plain suck these are real reason why theaters are declining not piracy.
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Postby Leonardo » Thu Feb 08, 2007 6:17 am

Riotflea wrote:I mean, people who like to act all condescending towards movie downloaders (Hi, Ironhidensh!) are missing the MAJOR fact that going to see a movie... you're not even seeing the whole movie anymore.


While I see what you're saying, I just wanted to pick up on this one sentence. Audiences never saw an entire film; there's always been footage (nearly 80%, apparently) left on the cutting room floor! Audiences have consistently missed out on extra footage; the extra features on DVD's are just that: extra. They're bonuses.

I see what you're saying, though, as the majority of my cinema-going experiences have been less than enjoyable.
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Postby TheMuffin » Thu Feb 08, 2007 7:08 am

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Man I'd really hate to see some of the theaters you people describe. The one I go to has inclined rows so even tall people don't block your view. Rows are spaced nicely so you don't have to stand up to let someone by. Competent employees and ushers who I've actually seen remove someone for talking on a phone. Clean floors and handrails. Excellent picture and sound quality. $6.50 for a matinee and the best of all...Reclining seats.

For people like me who only have an LCD screen and some crappy speakers, the theater is wonderful.
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Postby Leonardo » Thu Feb 08, 2007 8:08 am

Cleanliness and space aren't issues for me. It's the disturbing noise of chatter that puts me off cinemas. Some people can be so rude.
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