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Postby Stormrider » Wed Feb 07, 2007 4:16 am

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NewFoundStarscreamLuv wrote:3) it looks better than a lot of other movies did at this stage (FF *cough*, ghost rider *cough*)



Yeah, the special effects for Ghostrider look pretty bad.
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Postby War Hammer » Wed Feb 07, 2007 9:31 am

Something positive about the Transforming robots movie …… It has Cullen as Prime again, erm that’s all I can think of :lol:
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Postby Leonardo » Wed Feb 07, 2007 1:05 pm

You may jest, but presently Cullen's tones are the only reason I really want to see this movie.
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Postby SeekerInAFakeMoustache » Wed Feb 07, 2007 8:40 pm

Even though I cannot stand most of what I've seen...

...I do think Shia will make a decent Spike.
...I like the objectformers.

Alex Kingdom wrote:Positive things about this movie looking like crap?

- If it's slightly better than crap I'll be pleasently suprised.
- I'll save money by not buying the toys/Mechendise
- I'll spend less time on this site and the internet in general and do something more worthwhile with my life.


I second those, too.
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Postby AbsumZer0 » Wed Feb 07, 2007 9:28 pm

Meh. I'm not going to be downloading it but only because at this point I really don't care enough to see it to bother with finding it and tying-up my connection. As of now I'm only interested in seeing whether it'll make enough to be considered 'critic-proof' and whether it'll move merchandise. I'll just catch it on HBO or borrow it from a friend who buys the dvd.

Positive things:

1) Some of the toys do look semi-appealing to me (granted, one of my all-time favorite tfs is Beast Machines Hammerstrike, simply because it's so damn goofy).

2) Takara/Tomy is still free to do their own thing.

3) It saves me the cost of a ticket/ $7 soda/ frustration from cell phones ringing and people talking/ hearing loss/ from being compelled to see it in theaters.

4) If by some chance it doesn't do well in theaters it'll be one more thing to mock Don Murphy over.

5) It might make the upcoming Evangelion film look slightly less disappointing by comparison.
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Postby Phategod1 » Wed Feb 07, 2007 9:49 pm

Senor Hugo wrote:
Ironhidensh wrote:I sincerely hope that anyone who illegally downloads this movie is caught, and heavily fined or thrown in jail. I suppose in the vast list of criminal offenses, this isn't that severe, but I cannot stand thieves. If you aren't willing to pay for something others have worked hard on, they you don't get to see it. Period. By the way, I hope your parents are all happy with being failures at raising children.


Hey, if it was worth seeing it in theatres. We'd see it in theatres.

When I watch it on my computer and believe that it's worth seeing in the theatre. I'll go and see it.

I'm a pirate, and proud of it. The whole 'boo hoo you're stealing stuff that people worked hard on' schpeel is old. Obviously they didn't work hard enough on it for us to not pay to see it. Not to mention the only people getting hurt would be the crew, but then the studio already paid them.

So Bay won't be able to own his second helicopter like he wanted. It'll teach him to make better movies.


ARGH MATEY, I have a question If I borrow a Bootleg Copy or a real DVD and I didn't pay for it do I still deserve to watch it. My one Positive is the 360 Video Game coming out in June, based on the Movie Most Licensed game suck but I guarantee it will be better then the movie Unless it's like that catwoman game.
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Postby AbsumZer0 » Wed Feb 07, 2007 10:11 pm

Phategod1 wrote:
Senor Hugo wrote:
Ironhidensh wrote:I sincerely hope that anyone who illegally downloads this movie is caught, and heavily fined or thrown in jail. I suppose in the vast list of criminal offenses, this isn't that severe, but I cannot stand thieves. If you aren't willing to pay for something others have worked hard on, they you don't get to see it. Period. By the way, I hope your parents are all happy with being failures at raising children.


Hey, if it was worth seeing it in theatres. We'd see it in theatres.

When I watch it on my computer and believe that it's worth seeing in the theatre. I'll go and see it.

I'm a pirate, and proud of it. The whole 'boo hoo you're stealing stuff that people worked hard on' schpeel is old. Obviously they didn't work hard enough on it for us to not pay to see it. Not to mention the only people getting hurt would be the crew, but then the studio already paid them.

So Bay won't be able to own his second helicopter like he wanted. It'll teach him to make better movies.


ARGH MATEY, I have a question If I borrow a Bootleg Copy or a real DVD and I didn't pay for it do I still deserve to watch it.


The current per-ticket take of a summer flick during the first few weeks is currently over 95%, around 20% more than it was a decade ago. Meaning the theater makes less than 5% of the ticket sale. The only reason theaters can still afford to operate (and there are far fewer of them than there used to be) is because they charge a markup of around 500%-700% on their concessions. Less than 1/10th of attendees actually purchase concessions because they (necessarily) cost far more than they would outside. Because the theaters can't afford to pay competitive wages they're primarily (under)staffed by desperate teenagers without job experience who don't really know how to operate a projector and are afraid to tell people talking on cell-phones or with screaming babies to quit it.

The reason theater attendance has declined so dramatically according to the MPAA? Digital piracy.
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Postby Emperor Primacron the 1st » Thu Feb 08, 2007 1:46 am

Anyone saying downloading it is illegal and so on.....


I am sure everyone at some time had taken a casette tape and recorded music off the radio, same thing witl file sharing.

and the reason theater attendences are lower these days are:

1: Near 10 bucks a ticket, especially when no one has money to spend these days in the era of Bushinomics.:-(

2: Paying insane prices for overpriced junkfood and popcorn covered in glop resembling the stuff plastic surgeons suck out of fat people's asses. :?

3: Carpetting that has not been washed since 1982. :-P

4: COUNTLESS NUMBERS OF SMEGGING PREVIEWS!!!!! :P

5: Ending up sitting next to some fat, sweaty she-hag. :shock:

6: People talking at the film.:roll:

7: Seats are covered in some bodily fluids I am not in a hurry to know what they are. :MAD:

8: DVD's come with the stuff laying on the cutting room floor. :wink:

9: People only go to theaters nowadays to make out, anyhow. :-?

10: Having to duck your head when the fellow with the camcorder is behind you. :lol:
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Postby kjeevah » Thu Feb 08, 2007 4:18 am

Zuko wrote:Considering downloading it in the first place is a negative, anyone who answers has already failed at answering this thread correctly.


you misunderstand. the point of the the thread is 'you already have plenty of negative stuff about it, is there anything positive at all'

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although having said that personally i have no problem with downloading, and know that soon it will be perfectly legal and acceptable.. even the current model of pay-per-download i-tunes style is outdated. it's the quivalent of every channel on tv being pay-per-view for every single program, or even pay-per-listen radio, its ridiculous.

already (in england at least) most tv channels now broadacst everything for free over the internet, and allow you to download the programs too. i work for the bbc so i know all of the ins and outs and rights issues with this.

for expensive things like new release movies and music, ISPs will simply buy distribution rights, and this cost will be included in your monthly fee. exactly the same as cable/satellite tv currently works - you want access to all the latest sports coverage and movies, then you get a more expensive package. soon there will be no distinction between TV and internet, there wil just be content provision and viewing.

the only reason downloading does any harm at the moment is because companies are too slow to catch on, simple fact is that people WANT to download stuff, and ISPs are idiots for not cottoning on to the most simple business model in the book, supply and demand.
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Postby kjeevah » Thu Feb 08, 2007 4:21 am

Emperor Primacron the 1st wrote:anyone saying downloading it is illegal and so on.....


I am sure everyone at some time had taken a casette tape and recorded music off the radio, same thing witl file sharing.

and the reason theater attendences are lower these days are:

1: Near 10 bucks a ticket, especially when no one has money to spend these days in the era of Bushinomics.:-(

2: Paying insane prices for overpriced junkfood and popcorn covered in glop resembling the stuff plastic surgeons suck out of fat people's asses. :?

3: Carpetting that has not been washed since 1982. :-P

4: COUNTLESS NUMBERS OF SMEGGING PREVIEWS!!!!! :P

5: Ending up sitting next to some fat, sweaty she-hag. :shock:

6: People talking at the film.:roll:

7: Seats are covered in some bodily fluids I am not in a hurry to know what they are. :MAD:

8: DVD's come with the stuff laying on the cutting room floor. :wink:

9: People only go to theaters nowadays to make out, anyhow. :-?

10: Having to duck your head when the fellow with the camcorder is behind you. :lol:


you missed off what i think is the key point in the death of cinema -

HOME CINEMA

why go pay megabucks to see a film on what is a lesser experience than getting some mates around to watch a film on your 7.1 dolby HD projector setup. but personally i cant afford a home cinema setup so i'll be going to see it at the cinema on launch day to see the effects in all their glory, and also downloading it the same day so i dont waste hundreds on repeat viewings. in 10 years time when every singlemovie is released direct-to-download in full HD, it'll be a different story.

BACK ON TOPIC......

i coulnt possibly say one positive thing about the movie, because there are two damn many. to quickly sum up what i think though...

when i saw that dancing transformer citroen advert, i thought.. man. this would make an amazing movie. shortly afterwards, my prayers were answered. my primary concern is seeing a movie of real-life giant transforming robots stomping around the place. if the story is any good, thats a bonus, and if it has some of my old favourite transformers characters in, then, well, thats an even bigger bonus.
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Postby Riotflea » Thu Feb 08, 2007 5:33 am

Emperor Primacron the 1st wrote:Anyone saying downloading it is illegal and so on.....


I am sure everyone at some time had taken a casette tape and recorded music off the radio, same thing witl file sharing.

and the reason theater attendences are lower these days are:

3: Carpetting that has not been washed since 1982. :-P

4: COUNTLESS NUMBERS OF SMEGGING PREVIEWS!!!!! :P

5: Ending up sitting next to some fat, sweaty she-hag. :shock:

6: People talking at the film.:roll:

7: Seats are covered in some bodily fluids I am not in a hurry to know what they are. :MAD:

8: DVD's come with the stuff laying on the cutting room floor. :wink:



You know...Every one of those is right.

I mean, people who like to act all condescending towards movie downloaders (Hi, Ironhidensh!) are missing the MAJOR fact that going to see a movie... you're not even seeing the whole movie anymore.

A DVD comes out, there's more footage, there's fun extras... and it's yours forever.

All seeing it in a stupid, smelly, stanky, sticky theatre is to watch a really long preview.
Problem is, you're paying a good few bucks to do so.

I used to watch movies ALOT. And now that I think about it, the experiences often sucked, for one or more reasons.
The projector would be screwed up, newborns would be crying through it, bratty kids running up and down the aisle while fatass parents sat there yelling, people licking and tossing jujube's at the screen to see if they stick, flows of sugary liquid spilling all over your shoes from further up, people talking, people who already saw it giving away everything to friends, ushers swinging flashlights around just because some goofy kids were making out... silently, your limbs falling asleep, bad audio, idiots not dimming the lights until everyone in the theater's yelling, smelly people, people squishing by you, people kicking your chair, tall people blocking your view, improper heating / cooling, can't pause the movie to pee... which leads to people "adding" to the spilled soda on the floor, the smell of excrement, "EXIT" sign distracting your vision, cellphones going off, creaky doors as people exit and enter, shitty picture quality to begin with, losing your EXPENSIVE concession stand goodies to folding seats because there was nowhere else to put them, and the lines, lines, LINES!

So really...
Illegaly downloading a movie before you waste time/money/whatever on it is "bad"?
Technically, but so is jaywalking. And like jaywalking, it's just UNREASONABLE to adhere to that law.

If one chooses to be so ANAL as to say people downloading movies should be "heavily fined or thrown in jail", then I applaud them for never having jaywalked, loitered out in a parking lot, downloaded or saved ANYTHING from online they didn't have permission to, etc etc.

We're BOUND in laws these days. Getting in your car and going out shopping almost certainly involves some unseen, outdated law being broken.

Ironhidensh, aside from me observing time and again that you're PROBABLY a plant for promotion of this movie, that you often have to jump in whenever the word "download" appears or someone says anything even remotely negative, I do want to know who you think is being hurt by seeing the movie before deciding to support it.

And have you EVER broken a law because it was outdated, unjustified, or too bothersome to adhere to?
You can PM me that answer, for this topic's already been pooped on once.

Anyway, one positive side effect to this movie could be studios realizing that accessing the mind of the fans better (but not completely) for help on large projects is PROBABLY a good idea.
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Postby Phategod1 » Thu Feb 08, 2007 6:05 am

i know a very law abiding citizen that enjoys movies but he absolutely refuses to step foot in theater he waits for DVD because the theather experience has turned into crap plus with a home theater unit whats the point plus the marked up ticket and concession prices and movies that when compared to the golden age of cenima just plain suck these are real reason why theaters are declining not piracy.
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Postby Leonardo » Thu Feb 08, 2007 6:17 am

Riotflea wrote:I mean, people who like to act all condescending towards movie downloaders (Hi, Ironhidensh!) are missing the MAJOR fact that going to see a movie... you're not even seeing the whole movie anymore.


While I see what you're saying, I just wanted to pick up on this one sentence. Audiences never saw an entire film; there's always been footage (nearly 80%, apparently) left on the cutting room floor! Audiences have consistently missed out on extra footage; the extra features on DVD's are just that: extra. They're bonuses.

I see what you're saying, though, as the majority of my cinema-going experiences have been less than enjoyable.
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Postby TheMuffin » Thu Feb 08, 2007 7:08 am

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Man I'd really hate to see some of the theaters you people describe. The one I go to has inclined rows so even tall people don't block your view. Rows are spaced nicely so you don't have to stand up to let someone by. Competent employees and ushers who I've actually seen remove someone for talking on a phone. Clean floors and handrails. Excellent picture and sound quality. $6.50 for a matinee and the best of all...Reclining seats.

For people like me who only have an LCD screen and some crappy speakers, the theater is wonderful.
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Postby Leonardo » Thu Feb 08, 2007 8:08 am

Cleanliness and space aren't issues for me. It's the disturbing noise of chatter that puts me off cinemas. Some people can be so rude.
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Postby ScorpoMax » Thu Feb 08, 2007 1:53 pm

Emperor Primacron the 1st wrote:Anyone saying downloading it is illegal and so on.....


I am sure everyone at some time had taken a casette tape and recorded music off the radio, same thing witl file sharing.

and the reason theater attendences are lower these days are:

1: Near 10 bucks a ticket, especially when no one has money to spend these days in the era of Bushinomics.:-(

2: Paying insane prices for overpriced junkfood and popcorn covered in glop resembling the stuff plastic surgeons suck out of fat people's asses. :?

3: Carpetting that has not been washed since 1982. :-P

4: COUNTLESS NUMBERS OF SMEGGING PREVIEWS!!!!! :P

5: Ending up sitting next to some fat, sweaty she-hag. :shock:

6: People talking at the film.:roll:

7: Seats are covered in some bodily fluids I am not in a hurry to know what they are. :MAD:

8: DVD's come with the stuff laying on the cutting room floor. :wink:

9: People only go to theaters nowadays to make out, anyhow. :-?

10: Having to duck your head when the fellow with the camcorder is behind you. :lol:



You forgot one: Crappy movie making.

Still a good list though.

I just want to step out and say IMHO it's pretty dumb to come out in the open and admit you intend to bootleg something. Right reasons for doing so or not, it's still illegal. If you want to do something like that, the safest thing to do is to just keep it to yourself.

You guys do what you want. Me, I'm probably going to boycott this movie on its opening weekend, see how it does, and maybe go see it in theaters the weekend after its release.
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Postby TheMuffin » Thu Feb 08, 2007 6:38 pm

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Leonardo wrote:Cleanliness and space aren't issues for me. It's the disturbing noise of chatter that puts me off cinemas. Some people can be so rude.


Come live in Ohio. The corn growing is louder than the people in the theater. It's great!
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Postby Shadowman » Thu Feb 08, 2007 7:27 pm

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Zuko wrote:Man I'd really hate to see some of the theaters you people describe. The one I go to has inclined rows so even tall people don't block your view. Rows are spaced nicely so you don't have to stand up to let someone by. Competent employees and ushers who I've actually seen remove someone for talking on a phone. Clean floors and handrails. Excellent picture and sound quality. $6.50 for a matinee and the best of all...Reclining seats.

For people like me who only have an LCD screen and some crappy speakers, the theater is wonderful.


Yeah, the theater where I live is really nice. Nice incline for the seats, it's always clean, previews aren't TOO bad, and people generally shut up. And prices are not half bad.

Also, downloading a movie is one thing (Although you have to wodner what happens when they catch you. I had my internet shut off once for it!), but downloading to prove a point (Such as to discourage a director) is all kinds of stupid.
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Postby Alex Kingdom » Fri Feb 09, 2007 1:30 am

Leonardo wrote:
Riotflea wrote:I mean, people who like to act all condescending towards movie downloaders (Hi, Ironhidensh!) are missing the MAJOR fact that going to see a movie... you're not even seeing the whole movie anymore.


While I see what you're saying, I just wanted to pick up on this one sentence. Audiences never saw an entire film; there's always been footage (nearly 80%, apparently) left on the cutting room floor! Audiences have consistently missed out on extra footage; the extra features on DVD's are just that: extra. They're bonuses.


There is also a reason that footage gets cut, most of it is rubbish. It either doesnt work visually, doesnt really fit the continuity of the story or slows down the pace of the movie too much. It only when directors are given strict guidelines on how long their movie can be that the good stuff gets cut. However it is nice to get that material as part of a DVD just so you can make you own mind about whether it should have been in the movie or not.

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Postby metalslugx1942 » Fri Feb 09, 2007 5:53 pm

I will watch this movie at home, then the big screen if its worth it. I like the toylines for the most part. A little on the box office demise for a minute whom seem to think movies at the theaters are loosing steam....

Da Vinci Code
Released in US May 19, 2006

Total US Gross $217,536,138
Production Budget $125,000,000
Worldwide Gross $756,236,138

Released in US December 22, 2006
Total US Gross $226,395,996
Worldwide Gross $438,395,996
MPAA Rating PG-13 for mild action, language and brief rude humor

Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest

Released in US July 7, 2006

Total US Gross $423,416,000
Production Budget $150,000,000
Worldwide Gross $1,064,516,000
MPAA Rating PG-13 for intense sequences of adventure violence, including frightening images
TV Rights (USA, sold July, 2006): Undisclosed. Estimated at $20 million - $25 million
Running Time: 151 minutes

The Queen

Released in US September 30, 2006 (limited)
Total US Gross $46,524,527
Production Budget $15,000,000
Worldwide Gross $70,524,527
MPAA Rating PG-13 for brief strong language.
Budget Source: Screen International, 9/8/2006

MI 3
Released in US May 5, 2006
October 30, 2006 (DVD Sale)
October 30, 2006 (HD-DVD Sale)
October 30, 2006 (Blu-Ray Sale)
Total US Gross $133,501,348
Production Budget $150,000,000
Worldwide Gross $395,695,255
MPAA Rating PG-13 for intense sequences of frenetic violenc

And our movie...
Released in US July 4, 2007
Total US Gross $0
Production Budget $150,000,000
Highest Combined Star Gross 146 (see full chart)
Distributed by Dreamworks SKG
Source Based on TV
Major Genre Action
Country United States
Production Method Live Action
Creative Type Science Fiction
Director Michael Bay
Cast
Shia Labeouf Spike Witwicky
John Turturro Simmons
Jon Voight Keller
Bernie Mac Bobby Bolivia
Josh Duhamel Commander Lennox
Michael Clarke Duncan Officer Figueroa
Kevin Dunn Sparkplug Witwicky
Megan Fox Mikaela
Tyrese Gibson Epps
Zack Ward Donnely
Chris Ellis Admiral Brigham
Rachael Taylor Maggie
Anthony Anderson Glen
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Postby AbsumZer0 » Fri Feb 09, 2007 6:27 pm

metalslugx1942 wrote:I will watch this movie at home, then the big screen if its worth it. I like the toylines for the most part. A little on the box office demise for a minute whom seem to think movies at the theaters are loosing steam....

(Box Office data)


Gross and ticket sales are not one and the same. You're not taking into account increased price of tickets or even comparative data or even averages. If I wanted to be a jerk I could simply post the box-office data of Titanic which came out over a decade ago and made more than all those films but it wouldn't be a fair comparison either.
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Postby metalslugx1942 » Fri Feb 09, 2007 7:09 pm

Not all ticket prices are uniform around the USA, nor aroundthe world, but when you look at the numbers, of budget needed to complete, and gross numbers at the end of the life of the film in theaters you will see that it far exceed the first numbers. And that is all taken into account our current economic standings with inflation. So, in essence, is the average ticket price is 10$, and a movie makes 300 million USA wide, thats 30 million ticket sales. So seeing as how in some cases ticket sales are lower in certain states, its well possible that it could far exceed that number. My point is, the movie industry is not suffering, just bad movies are. And that statement to me was to show that piracy has not really dented anything too much, is just Hollywood wants as much as it can get.

Titanic Data
Released in US December 19, 1997
Total US Gross $600,788,188(ticket sales, not including rentals)
Production Budget $200,000,000
Prints and Advertising Budget $20,000,000
Rentals $324,425,000
Worldwide Gross $1,835,400,000
MPAA Rating PG-13 for disaster related peril and violence, nudity, sensuality and brief language
Running Time: 194 minutes
TV Rights (NBC/HBO): $55,000,000
Worldwide video and DVD sales and rentals: $1,200,000,000
2nd most total weekends at top of charts: 15 (ET: The Extra-Terrestrial holds the record with 16 weeks)
Holds record for longest run at top of charts: 15
All-Time Box Office Rank 1
Equal-fastest movie to $400m gross 66 days - equal with Spider-Man (see full chart)
Fastest movie to $500m gross 98 days (December 19th, 1997 - March 26th, 1998)
Fastest movie to $600m gross 252 days (December 19th, 1997 - August 25th, 1998)
Academy Award Winner, 1997 Best Picture
Highest Combined Star Gross 106 (see full chart)
Keywords Visual Effects, Disaster, Cross-Class Romance
Distributed by 20th Century Fox
Music Composed By James Horner
Source Based on Real Life Events
Award Best Picture Oscar
Major Genre Drama
Production Method Live Action
Creative Type Dramatization
Time Frame 1910-1920
Director James Cameron

So as you can see, Titanic was not as successful as some might have thought, and the average ticket sale then, atleast in major cities was 9.00 and the estimated nationwide prices were 4.68. This years average ticket prices believe it or not, is 6.58 nationwide according to boxofficemojo.com

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/about/adjuster.htm
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Postby Gameovermus Prime » Fri Feb 09, 2007 7:34 pm

I've cut down my time here a lotin the last few months. I'm guessing the film will put me over the age. I guess I just lost interest.
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Postby AbsumZer0 » Fri Feb 09, 2007 9:22 pm

metalslugx1942 wrote:Not all ticket prices are uniform around the USA, nor aroundthe world, but when you look at the numbers, of budget needed to complete, and gross numbers at the end of the life of the film in theaters you will see that it far exceed the first numbers. And that is all taken into account our current economic standings with inflation. So, in essence, is the average ticket price is 10$, and a movie makes 300 million USA wide, thats 30 million ticket sales. So seeing as how in some cases ticket sales are lower in certain states, its well possible that it could far exceed that number. My point is, the movie industry is not suffering, just bad movies are. And that statement to me was to show that piracy has not really dented anything too much, is just Hollywood wants as much as it can get.


Apologies, I was typing as I went out the door. What I was trying to say was the the stats you provided alone aren't evidence of anything besides Hollywood films being a multibillion dollar industry. While you obviously meant to show that Hollywood is making increased profits, which I don't argue with, the numbers you provided alone weren't proof of that.

The theaters, on the other hand, aren't profiting as well as the production companies/distributors and it's their floundering that the MPAA blames on piracy. Ticket prices do indeed vary, not just by location but time as well (matinees, 2-for-1s, etc). But, on average, theater attendance has been steadily declining. If you want proof of that you can get a rough idea by dividing the top-grossing films of each year http://www.boxofficemojo.com/yearly/ or yearly total (including indie/unrated films) http://www.boxofficemojo.com/yearly/?vi ... ate&p=.htm by that year's average ticket price http://www.natoonline.org/statisticstickets.htm . It doesn't account for factors like market competition or quality of films, of course, but the decline as a whole is there either way.

Coupled with declining ticket sales the theaters themselves are allowed to keep smaller and smaller percentages of per-ticket sales so, while the number of screens has increased (in part because of theaters replacing their old cinemas with the newer, smaller, arena-type that can fit more attendees per showing) http://www.natoonline.org/statisticsscreens.htm the theater industry itself has only recently begun to stabilize as seen by the number of theaters lost over the past decade http://www.natoonline.org/statisticssites.htm . How long this small upswing will last is anyone's guess.

So, in short, while people in Hollywood continue to make money the theater industry is suffering be it whether you believe it's due to Hollywood, piracy, or their own failures.
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Postby metalslugx1942 » Fri Feb 09, 2007 10:54 pm

Well, you make a very good arguement there with your post. I do see the point of alot more venues closing down, but being replaced with more seaters, and so forth. And I think we are at an in between point in both our arguements and I'm sticking with that...lol. I think that soon, they(theaters)will be gone, and more affordable home theaters will replace them as we will be able to order the films via our homes. I hope not, because I love the whole theater thing, and if one thing came out of this new TF movie, is that we have educated ourselves more about the movie industry and maybe some of our friends here, maybe even more so than they would have like to know. :grin:
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