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Re: You Missed Out - Masterpiece Thundercracker Out Of Stock at ToysRUs.com

Postby mooncake623 » Tue Sep 11, 2012 12:28 pm

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Re: You Missed Out - Masterpiece Thundercracker Out Of Stock at ToysRUs.com
by xyl360 » Tue Sep 11, 2012 1:15 pm

mooncake623 wrote:
BBTS has him

They're cheaper on Ebay.......
Not after shipping. Some are being bid on (i.e. not Buy It Now) which are currently cheaper, but I bet they get higher than BBTS before they close out.

Besides, better BBTS gets my money than some scalper.


BBTS is around $119 shipped (US).

There are plenty of listings that finish below that on ebay. I mean I would rather support BBTS as well but cheapest price gets my money.

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Re: You Missed Out - Masterpiece Thundercracker Out Of Stock at ToysRUs.com

Postby ZenPrime » Tue Sep 11, 2012 2:12 pm

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mooncake623 wrote:
BBTS has him :KREMZEEK:


They're cheaper on Ebay.......

Not after shipping. Some are being bid on (i.e. not Buy It Now) which are currently cheaper, but I bet they get higher than BBTS before they close out.

Besides, better BBTS gets my money than some scalper.


I don't see the difference between what BBTS is doing and what the "scalpers" on ebay are doing...
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Re: You Missed Out - Masterpiece Thundercracker Out Of Stock at ToysRUs.com

Postby xyl360 » Tue Sep 11, 2012 3:01 pm

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mooncake623 wrote:
BBTS has him :KREMZEEK:


They're cheaper on Ebay.......

Not after shipping. Some are being bid on (i.e. not Buy It Now) which are currently cheaper, but I bet they get higher than BBTS before they close out.

Besides, better BBTS gets my money than some scalper.


I don't see the difference between what BBTS is doing and what the "scalpers" on ebay are doing...

BBTS is a business, has a license, and doesn't purchase products from a retail outlet to re-sell to consumers at a marked up price. Everything they sell that doesn't come second hand from people selling/trading in their own toys to them comes from actual wholesalers.

That's the difference. BBTS doesn't shorten the retail supply of an item in order to fill their own warehouses to sell the product for a profit.
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Re: You Missed Out - Masterpiece Thundercracker Out Of Stock at ToysRUs.com

Postby mooncake623 » Tue Sep 11, 2012 3:24 pm

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BBTS doesn't shorten the retail supply of an item in order to fill their own warehouses to sell the product for a profit.


You mean that's not what they (and other retailers) did at Botcon with the souvenir sets?
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Re: You Missed Out - Masterpiece Thundercracker Out Of Stock at ToysRUs.com

Postby RodimalToyota » Tue Sep 11, 2012 3:28 pm

xyl360 wrote:
ZenPrime wrote:
xyl360 wrote:
mooncake623 wrote:
BBTS has him :KREMZEEK:


They're cheaper on Ebay.......

Not after shipping. Some are being bid on (i.e. not Buy It Now) which are currently cheaper, but I bet they get higher than BBTS before they close out.

Besides, better BBTS gets my money than some scalper.


I don't see the difference between what BBTS is doing and what the "scalpers" on ebay are doing...

BBTS is a business, has a license, and doesn't purchase products from a retail outlet to re-sell to consumers at a marked up price. Everything they sell that doesn't come second hand from people selling/trading in their own toys to them comes from actual wholesalers.

That's the difference. BBTS doesn't shorten the retail supply of an item in order to fill their own warehouses to sell the product for a profit.



Bingo!

plus any extra money, factor in over-head, advertising, shipping costs.
BBTS is selling these for 9$ over MSRP.
Besides why wouldn't you want to support a business that caters to us!
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Re: You Missed Out - Masterpiece Thundercracker Out Of Stock at ToysRUs.com

Postby fordprefect294 » Tue Sep 11, 2012 4:12 pm

$39 over MSRP
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Re: You Missed Out - Masterpiece Thundercracker Out Of Stock at ToysRUs.com

Postby RodimalToyota » Tue Sep 11, 2012 4:30 pm

fordprefect294 wrote:$39 over MSRP


Actually MSRP is $99.99
TRU is selling it for the discounted price of $69.99
says so right on the website.

even still better then $79.99 over MSRP on eBay.
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Re: You Missed Out - Masterpiece Thundercracker Out Of Stock at ToysRUs.com

Postby ZenPrime » Tue Sep 11, 2012 4:32 pm

I could be wong but since this figure is exclusive to TRU the only way for BBTS to obtain stock is to send their staff/buyers into the local stores or stalk TRU.com. So some of these "scalpers" might be from BBTS or other web stores that are carrying this item. If I was still looking to purchase I would feel no loyalty to BBTS (altho I have given them plenty of my money over the years) just where I can get it the cheapest. Everyone is out to make a buck, including BBTS.
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Re: You Missed Out - Masterpiece Thundercracker Out Of Stock at ToysRUs.com

Postby ZenPrime » Tue Sep 11, 2012 4:59 pm

RodimalToyota wrote:
fordprefect294 wrote:$39 over MSRP


Actually MSRP is $99.99
TRU is selling it for the discounted price of $69.99
says so right on the website.

even still better then $79.99 over MSRP on eBay.


When the item was first listed on TRU.com it was 69.99 on sale for $55.00. When I purchased the item at TRU Time Square the price tag on the shelves stated $69.99.
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Re: You Missed Out - Masterpiece Thundercracker Out Of Stock at ToysRUs.com

Postby RodimalToyota » Tue Sep 11, 2012 5:31 pm

ZenPrime wrote:
RodimalToyota wrote:
fordprefect294 wrote:$39 over MSRP


Actually MSRP is $99.99
TRU is selling it for the discounted price of $69.99
says so right on the website.

even still better then $79.99 over MSRP on eBay.


When the item was first listed on TRU.com it was 69.99 on sale for $55.00. When I purchased the item at TRU Time Square the price tag on the shelves stated $69.99.


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Re: You Missed Out - Masterpiece Thundercracker Out Of Stock at ToysRUs.com

Postby ZenPrime » Tue Sep 11, 2012 6:40 pm

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ZenPrime wrote:
RodimalToyota wrote:
fordprefect294 wrote:$39 over MSRP


Actually MSRP is $99.99
TRU is selling it for the discounted price of $69.99
says so right on the website.

even still better then $79.99 over MSRP on eBay.


When the item was first listed on TRU.com it was 69.99 on sale for $55.00. When I purchased the item at TRU Time Square the price tag on the shelves stated $69.99.


MSRP is on the TRU website.


Technically on the TRU.com's webpage it's "List Price" and not MSRP and below is a photo of the price tag in the stores, so go figure...

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Re: You Missed Out - Masterpiece Thundercracker Out Of Stock at ToysRUs.com

Postby vectorA3 » Wed Sep 12, 2012 11:13 am

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I would say BBTS gets their supply from TRU directly. (Once a Hasbro item is a store exclusive, you can only get it from that store -I've asked H about this b4). Although BBTS costs more, I recommended them because they double box and ship with care. (At least the last MP I received was double boxed). Don't feed the scalpers!!!!!!!
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Re: You Missed Out - Masterpiece Thundercracker Out Of Stock at ToysRUs.com

Postby ZenPrime » Wed Sep 12, 2012 11:23 am

vectorA3 wrote:I would say BBTS gets their supply from TRU directly. (Once a Hasbro item is a store exclusive, you can only get it from that store -I've asked H about this b4). Although BBTS costs more, I recommended them because they double box and ship with care. (At least the last MP I received was double boxed). Don't feed the scalpers!!!!!!!


If that's the case, it makes it even worse. BBTS probably got their stock at wholesale price point lots lower than the MSRP of $69.99 and yet they mark it up to $100+ and in doing so also take stock away from TRU and TRU.com to be able to offer them to customer at the lower MSRP price. So how is that different than scalping?
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Re: You Missed Out - Masterpiece Thundercracker Out Of Stock at ToysRUs.com

Postby xyl360 » Wed Sep 12, 2012 1:31 pm

ZenPrime wrote:
vectorA3 wrote:I would say BBTS gets their supply from TRU directly. (Once a Hasbro item is a store exclusive, you can only get it from that store -I've asked H about this b4). Although BBTS costs more, I recommended them because they double box and ship with care. (At least the last MP I received was double boxed). Don't feed the scalpers!!!!!!!


If that's the case, it makes it even worse. BBTS probably got their stock at wholesale price point lots lower than the MSRP of $69.99 and yet they mark it up to $100+ and in doing so also take stock away from TRU and TRU.com to be able to offer them to customer at the lower MSRP price. So how is that different than scalping?

It's different because BBTS' supply of the figures will be factored in to what TRU requests/orders from Hasbro. Scalper supplies are not.
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Re: You Missed Out - Masterpiece Thundercracker Out Of Stock at ToysRUs.com

Postby ZenPrime » Wed Sep 12, 2012 1:47 pm

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ZenPrime wrote:
vectorA3 wrote:I would say BBTS gets their supply from TRU directly. (Once a Hasbro item is a store exclusive, you can only get it from that store -I've asked H about this b4). Although BBTS costs more, I recommended them because they double box and ship with care. (At least the last MP I received was double boxed). Don't feed the scalpers!!!!!!!


If that's the case, it makes it even worse. BBTS probably got their stock at wholesale price point lots lower than the MSRP of $69.99 and yet they mark it up to $100+ and in doing so also take stock away from TRU and TRU.com to be able to offer them to customer at the lower MSRP price. So how is that different than scalping?

It's different because BBTS' supply of the figures will be factored in to what TRU requests/orders from Hasbro. Scalper supplies are not.


so even if that is true, it's ok for BBTS to take a $70 item and mark it up to $100+ but it's not ok for others to do so? I see the double standard there...
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Re: You Missed Out - Masterpiece Thundercracker Out Of Stock at ToysRUs.com

Postby RodimalToyota » Wed Sep 12, 2012 1:50 pm

ZenPrime wrote:
xyl360 wrote:
ZenPrime wrote:
vectorA3 wrote:I would say BBTS gets their supply from TRU directly. (Once a Hasbro item is a store exclusive, you can only get it from that store -I've asked H about this b4). Although BBTS costs more, I recommended them because they double box and ship with care. (At least the last MP I received was double boxed). Don't feed the scalpers!!!!!!!


If that's the case, it makes it even worse. BBTS probably got their stock at wholesale price point lots lower than the MSRP of $69.99 and yet they mark it up to $100+ and in doing so also take stock away from TRU and TRU.com to be able to offer them to customer at the lower MSRP price. So how is that different than scalping?

It's different because BBTS' supply of the figures will be factored in to what TRU requests/orders from Hasbro. Scalper supplies are not.


so even if that is true, it's ok for BBTS to take a $70 item and mark it up to $100+ but it's not ok for others to do so? I see the double standard there...



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Re: You Missed Out - Masterpiece Thundercracker Out Of Stock at ToysRUs.com

Postby xyl360 » Wed Sep 12, 2012 1:57 pm

ZenPrime wrote:
xyl360 wrote:
ZenPrime wrote:
vectorA3 wrote:I would say BBTS gets their supply from TRU directly. (Once a Hasbro item is a store exclusive, you can only get it from that store -I've asked H about this b4). Although BBTS costs more, I recommended them because they double box and ship with care. (At least the last MP I received was double boxed). Don't feed the scalpers!!!!!!!


If that's the case, it makes it even worse. BBTS probably got their stock at wholesale price point lots lower than the MSRP of $69.99 and yet they mark it up to $100+ and in doing so also take stock away from TRU and TRU.com to be able to offer them to customer at the lower MSRP price. So how is that different than scalping?

It's different because BBTS' supply of the figures will be factored in to what TRU requests/orders from Hasbro. Scalper supplies are not.


so even if that is true, it's ok for BBTS to take a $70 item and mark it up to $100+ but it's not ok for others to do so? I see the double standard there...

My issue with scalpers was never the price. It's that they generate a false demand by reducing the retail availability of a product, thus preventing other actual consumers from purchasing the product from a valid retail source.

BBTS, regardless of price, is a valid retail source. It's just like the shared exclusive BBTS has with Amazon and the G2 Bruticus set. If BBTS had it marked up 200% of Amazon's price, that's their business, and they have every right to do so, but them getting those figures does not impact the retail availability of the product to the consumer. Scalpers do affect the retail availability of a product to the consumer and are acting as retailers by purchasing products at retail and then turning around and selling it for a profit. This turns TRU's stores in this case, into a supplier/wholesaler, which they are not and allows the scalpers to act like licensed retailers with exclusive stock of a product, again, which they are not (or at least they aren't supposed to be).
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Re: You Missed Out - Masterpiece Thundercracker Out Of Stock at ToysRUs.com

Postby ZenPrime » Wed Sep 12, 2012 2:04 pm

RodimalToyota wrote:
ZenPrime wrote:
xyl360 wrote:
ZenPrime wrote:
vectorA3 wrote:I would say BBTS gets their supply from TRU directly. (Once a Hasbro item is a store exclusive, you can only get it from that store -I've asked H about this b4). Although BBTS costs more, I recommended them because they double box and ship with care. (At least the last MP I received was double boxed). Don't feed the scalpers!!!!!!!


If that's the case, it makes it even worse. BBTS probably got their stock at wholesale price point lots lower than the MSRP of $69.99 and yet they mark it up to $100+ and in doing so also take stock away from TRU and TRU.com to be able to offer them to customer at the lower MSRP price. So how is that different than scalping?

It's different because BBTS' supply of the figures will be factored in to what TRU requests/orders from Hasbro. Scalper supplies are not.


so even if that is true, it's ok for BBTS to take a $70 item and mark it up to $100+ but it's not ok for others to do so? I see the double standard there...



They have to factor in re-shipping from TRU to BBTS, overhead for employees to unload and reload, Website costs, Box and packaging costs.


I imagine there are costs that these "scalpers" would have to cover as well, like the 10%+ ebay/paypal fees. Look I'm not defending the "scalpers" but in the end both are out to turn a profit which ever way they can so I see no difference in that. So as a consumer I will purchase from who ever offers the best price.
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Re: You Missed Out - Masterpiece Thundercracker Out Of Stock at ToysRUs.com

Postby RodimalToyota » Wed Sep 12, 2012 2:11 pm

ZenPrime wrote:
RodimalToyota wrote:
ZenPrime wrote:
xyl360 wrote:
ZenPrime wrote:
vectorA3 wrote:I would say BBTS gets their supply from TRU directly. (Once a Hasbro item is a store exclusive, you can only get it from that store -I've asked H about this b4). Although BBTS costs more, I recommended them because they double box and ship with care. (At least the last MP I received was double boxed). Don't feed the scalpers!!!!!!!


If that's the case, it makes it even worse. BBTS probably got their stock at wholesale price point lots lower than the MSRP of $69.99 and yet they mark it up to $100+ and in doing so also take stock away from TRU and TRU.com to be able to offer them to customer at the lower MSRP price. So how is that different than scalping?

It's different because BBTS' supply of the figures will be factored in to what TRU requests/orders from Hasbro. Scalper supplies are not.


so even if that is true, it's ok for BBTS to take a $70 item and mark it up to $100+ but it's not ok for others to do so? I see the double standard there...



They have to factor in re-shipping from TRU to BBTS, overhead for employees to unload and reload, Website costs, Box and packaging costs.


I imagine there are costs that these "scalpers" would have to cover as well, like the 10%+ ebay/paypal fees. Look I'm not defending the "scalpers" but in the end both are out to turn a profit which ever way they can so I see no difference in that. So as a consumer I will purchase from who ever offers the best price.



BBTS doesn't raise the price based upon checking "completed listings" on ebay. BBTS is not taking away current retail merchandise and artificially raising prices.

Your telling me, trucking cost + Employee cost, + boxes + Materials + website design + Advertising + sales tax + Needing to make a profit...

Is the same as paying a 7% Paypal fee, a 5% Ebay fee, and the gas in the car? then Artificially raising a 69$ toy to 140$ that's currently at retail outlets, just scarcer because too many damn scalpers are taking them?






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Re: You Missed Out - Masterpiece Thundercracker Out Of Stock at ToysRUs.com

Postby ZenPrime » Wed Sep 12, 2012 2:20 pm

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ZenPrime wrote:
RodimalToyota wrote:
ZenPrime wrote:
xyl360 wrote:
ZenPrime wrote:
vectorA3 wrote:I would say BBTS gets their supply from TRU directly. (Once a Hasbro item is a store exclusive, you can only get it from that store -I've asked H about this b4). Although BBTS costs more, I recommended them because they double box and ship with care. (At least the last MP I received was double boxed). Don't feed the scalpers!!!!!!!


If that's the case, it makes it even worse. BBTS probably got their stock at wholesale price point lots lower than the MSRP of $69.99 and yet they mark it up to $100+ and in doing so also take stock away from TRU and TRU.com to be able to offer them to customer at the lower MSRP price. So how is that different than scalping?

It's different because BBTS' supply of the figures will be factored in to what TRU requests/orders from Hasbro. Scalper supplies are not.


so even if that is true, it's ok for BBTS to take a $70 item and mark it up to $100+ but it's not ok for others to do so? I see the double standard there...



They have to factor in re-shipping from TRU to BBTS, overhead for employees to unload and reload, Website costs, Box and packaging costs.


I imagine there are costs that these "scalpers" would have to cover as well, like the 10%+ ebay/paypal fees. Look I'm not defending the "scalpers" but in the end both are out to turn a profit which ever way they can so I see no difference in that. So as a consumer I will purchase from who ever offers the best price.



BBTS doesn't raise the price based upon checking "completed listings" on ebay. BBTS is not taking away current retail merchandise and artificially raising prices.

Your telling me, trucking cost + Employee cost, + boxes + Materials + website design + Advertising + sales tax + Needing to make a profit...

Is the same as paying a 7% Paypal fee, a 5% Ebay fee, and the gas in the car? then Artificially raising a 69$ toy to 140$ that's currently at retail outlets, just scarcer because too many damn scalpers are taking them?






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Most consumers do not understand business and even if they do, prices is a deciding factor in their purchase and can you really prove that BBTS obtain stock directly from TRU? Neither can I, but I really don't have to. All I have to know is they're selling an item that I purchased from TRU for $69.99 at $109.99.
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Re: You Missed Out - Masterpiece Thundercracker Out Of Stock at ToysRUs.com

Postby vectorA3 » Wed Sep 12, 2012 3:00 pm

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vectorA3 wrote:I would say BBTS gets their supply from TRU directly. (Once a Hasbro item is a store exclusive, you can only get it from that store -I've asked H about this b4). Although BBTS costs more, I recommended them because they double box and ship with care. (At least the last MP I received was double boxed). Don't feed the scalpers!!!!!!!


If that's the case, it makes it even worse. BBTS probably got their stock at wholesale price point lots lower than the MSRP of $69.99 and yet they mark it up to $100+ and in doing so also take stock away from TRU and TRU.com to be able to offer them to customer at the lower MSRP price. So how is that different than scalping?

It's different because BBTS' supply of the figures will be factored in to what TRU requests/orders from Hasbro. Scalper supplies are not.


so even if that is true, it's ok for BBTS to take a $70 item and mark it up to $100+ but it's not ok for others to do so? I see the double standard there...


Didn't you read the prior posts? The MSRP on MP TC is 99.99. It is unknown what TRU paid Hasbro in a bulk deal for them, but BBTS probably isn't paying much less than that. They may have paid close to $100 for all we know. I don't consider BBTS scalpers. Calm down -seriously dude.

Btw, xyl360 made some excellent points in his last post on page 11. Couldn't agree more.

And if ZenPrime wants to talk about frustation - try buying MP TC full price at TRU, only to see it 4 or 5 days later on TRU.com for $15 less + free shipping. I was pissed, but now I'm over it. Especially if it was a mistake, which we still don't know 100% if it was. Some 20% off TF web sale could've been in effect -who knows?
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Re: You Missed Out - Masterpiece Thundercracker Out Of Stock at ToysRUs.com

Postby ZenPrime » Wed Sep 12, 2012 5:17 pm

Now I highly doubt that if the MSRP price is actually $100 that all the TRU stores across the country would price the item way below at $70 on their shelves from the start. That doesn't make much business sense does it? It's true that we don't know at what price BBTS obtain their stock for, it stands to reason that for it to be worth it for BBTS they would have to be making a decent profit for each sale. Anyway I'm done with this.
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Re: You Missed Out - Masterpiece Thundercracker Out Of Stock at ToysRUs.com

Postby daniel77 » Wed Sep 12, 2012 8:54 pm

I agree with what ZenPrime has said all above. But I don't blame BBTS, they have every right to price it whatever they want to price. Also they must've looked at market and their price reflects supply and demand. Isn't it true that their preorder is already sold out even at $109.99?
However, I don't believe a bit that BBTS got it at $100. I can bet $100 that they got it below $70 each! As much as i like them, in my opinion, in this particular case, they do act like EBay scalpers.
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Re: You Missed Out - Masterpiece Thundercracker Out Of Stock at ToysRUs.com

Postby DanaCornZine » Wed Sep 12, 2012 9:28 pm

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANYWAY, I got mine from TRU today. This looks and stands MUCH better than MP Starscream or Skywarp. The only think I don't like is that the wings won't stay in place if you try to bend them back a bit, like they're supposed to be.
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Re: You Missed Out - Masterpiece Thundercracker Out Of Stock at ToysRUs.com

Postby Cyberseven » Thu Sep 13, 2012 8:32 am

Weapon: Fusion Cannon
I picked mine up yesterday at my local TRU for $60.00. I had saved a Hasbro coupon I had just for this reason.. Unfortunately I can't share the coupon as it was some Hasbro one time cash coupon I had held onto for MP TC.
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