In Hand Images of MP-16 Frenzy and Buzzsaw
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Courtesy of ACToys.net, we have images of the upcoming March release of Masterpiece MP-16 Frenzy and Buzzsaw. Frenzy reuses the Masterpiece Rumble mold from the MP-15 set, while Buzzsaw uses the Lazerbeak mold that accompanies MP-15 Soundwave. Check out both of the cassettes in the images below!
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Re: In Hand Images of MP-16 Frenzy and Buzzsaw (1452695)
Posted by alldarker on January 7th, 2013 @ 5:14am EST
Posted by alldarker on January 7th, 2013 @ 5:14am EST
Looking good!
I'd prefer Frenzy's ball-joints to be less visible while wearing the piledrivers, but hopefully it is possible to turn the arms around. Also, the paint looks sloppy (especially on Frenzy's chest).
I'd prefer Frenzy's ball-joints to be less visible while wearing the piledrivers, but hopefully it is possible to turn the arms around. Also, the paint looks sloppy (especially on Frenzy's chest).
Re: In Hand Images of MP-16 Frenzy and Buzzsaw (1452696)
Posted by DPrime on January 7th, 2013 @ 5:17am EST
Posted by DPrime on January 7th, 2013 @ 5:17am EST
Hmmmmm...... $60, I don't know about this one. Looks cheap. 
Re: In Hand Images of MP-16 Frenzy and Buzzsaw (1452697)
Posted by CBratetron on January 7th, 2013 @ 5:20am EST
Posted by CBratetron on January 7th, 2013 @ 5:20am EST
Buzzsaw/Laserbeak's head still looks like a camera flips out of the forehead. Has anyone confirmed this?
I marvel at the lack of add-on bits for Laserbeak and Ravage.
I marvel at the lack of add-on bits for Laserbeak and Ravage.
Re: In Hand Images of MP-16 Frenzy and Buzzsaw (1452699)
Posted by alldarker on January 7th, 2013 @ 5:21am EST
These look pretty good to me price-quality wise, but then again, I have MP-16 (Frenzy and Buzzsaw) and MP-15 (Ravage and Rumble) pre-ordered at $34.81 each
Posted by alldarker on January 7th, 2013 @ 5:21am EST
DPrime wrote:Hmmmmm...... $60, I don't know about this one. Looks cheap.
These look pretty good to me price-quality wise, but then again, I have MP-16 (Frenzy and Buzzsaw) and MP-15 (Ravage and Rumble) pre-ordered at $34.81 each
Re: In Hand Images of MP-16 Frenzy and Buzzsaw (1452701)
Posted by Mykltron on January 7th, 2013 @ 5:27am EST
Posted by Mykltron on January 7th, 2013 @ 5:27am EST
This is the first MP release for which I'll await a Hasbro release.
Re: In Hand Images of MP-16 Frenzy and Buzzsaw (1452703)
Posted by CBratetron on January 7th, 2013 @ 5:32am EST
Posted by CBratetron on January 7th, 2013 @ 5:32am EST
For hiding those ball joints you'd turn the arms so the shoulders face forward and then hope the elbows can bend backwards as well as forwards. If that's not possible, you can always pop the arms of those ball joints and swap them.
Re: In Hand Images of MP-16 Frenzy and Buzzsaw (1452712)
Posted by alldarker on January 7th, 2013 @ 6:13am EST
Judging from the photo of Frenzy in tape-mode, the elbows cannot bend backward. And it looks like they have to be positioned in an upward position to slide on the pile-drivers, meaning the ball-joints will always point forward (which is also shown by the packaging photo). So, yeah, popping off the arms is the only way to possibly avond the ball-joints showing on the front: however, it will impede transformation, and he's going to look dumb with his arms back to front without the pile-drivers on them
. Oh, well... We're just going to have to manage. Anyone know if the pile-drivers are springloaded?
Posted by alldarker on January 7th, 2013 @ 6:13am EST
CBratetron wrote:For hiding those ball joints you'd turn the arms so the shoulders face forward and then hope the elbows can bend backwards as well as forwards. If that's not possible, you can always pop the arms of those ball joints and swap them.
Judging from the photo of Frenzy in tape-mode, the elbows cannot bend backward. And it looks like they have to be positioned in an upward position to slide on the pile-drivers, meaning the ball-joints will always point forward (which is also shown by the packaging photo). So, yeah, popping off the arms is the only way to possibly avond the ball-joints showing on the front: however, it will impede transformation, and he's going to look dumb with his arms back to front without the pile-drivers on them
. Oh, well... We're just going to have to manage. Anyone know if the pile-drivers are springloaded?Re: In Hand Images of MP-16 Frenzy and Buzzsaw (1452715)
Posted by daimchoc on January 7th, 2013 @ 6:17am EST
Posted by daimchoc on January 7th, 2013 @ 6:17am EST
Re: In Hand Images of MP-16 Frenzy and Buzzsaw (1452717)
Posted by Trikeboy on January 7th, 2013 @ 6:27am EST
Posted by Trikeboy on January 7th, 2013 @ 6:27am EST
I love the Lazerbeak and Buzzsaw toy. Couldn't they have made Frenzy and Rumble's head a bit smaller like the art work? It looks so much better with the smaller head.
Re: In Hand Images of MP-16 Frenzy and Buzzsaw (1452727)
Posted by Mindmaster on January 7th, 2013 @ 7:15am EST
Posted by Mindmaster on January 7th, 2013 @ 7:15am EST
I'll take the blue one for $30, Brian!
Re: In Hand Images of MP-16 Frenzy and Buzzsaw (1452728)
Posted by Mindmaster on January 7th, 2013 @ 7:20am EST
It's been known for a pretty long while. I remember when the news crew here at Seibertron posting test shots of Laserbeak with the deployed camera. More evidence is that there is a pin on the side of his head, but that could be for transforming him.
Posted by Mindmaster on January 7th, 2013 @ 7:20am EST
CBratetron wrote:Buzzsaw/Laserbeak's head still looks like a camera flips out of the forehead. Has anyone confirmed this?
It's been known for a pretty long while. I remember when the news crew here at Seibertron posting test shots of Laserbeak with the deployed camera. More evidence is that there is a pin on the side of his head, but that could be for transforming him.
Re: In Hand Images of MP-16 Frenzy and Buzzsaw (1452729)
Posted by wewyllenium on January 7th, 2013 @ 7:21am EST
Posted by wewyllenium on January 7th, 2013 @ 7:21am EST
I'm happy. I love being in South East Asia. These will be accessible day one.
Re: In Hand Images of MP-16 Frenzy and Buzzsaw (1452741)
Posted by Cyber Bishop on January 7th, 2013 @ 8:41am EST
Posted by Cyber Bishop on January 7th, 2013 @ 8:41am EST
What is the scale on these guys next to the classics figures?
Re: In Hand Images of MP-16 Frenzy and Buzzsaw (1452743)
Posted by AutoBorst on January 7th, 2013 @ 9:08am EST
Posted by AutoBorst on January 7th, 2013 @ 9:08am EST
Really gotta see Laserbeak/Buzzsaw first hand to see how they managed to incorporate the mounted guns into the full transformation. That's crazy.
Even crazier is that price though. Definitely waiting for the Hasbro release, prices on these and Soundwave are just ridiculous.
Even crazier is that price though. Definitely waiting for the Hasbro release, prices on these and Soundwave are just ridiculous.
Re: In Hand Images of MP-16 Frenzy and Buzzsaw (1452748)
Posted by kirbenvost on January 7th, 2013 @ 9:48am EST
Posted by kirbenvost on January 7th, 2013 @ 9:48am EST
These do look awesome, but yeah, at $60 for the two of them, we're kind of getting hosed.
Re: In Hand Images of MP-16 Frenzy and Buzzsaw (1452754)
Posted by mooncake623 on January 7th, 2013 @ 9:58am EST
Posted by mooncake623 on January 7th, 2013 @ 9:58am EST
What's up with the Paint job? it looks horrible. United figures have far better paint jobs. whats up with that?
Re: In Hand Images of MP-16 Frenzy and Buzzsaw (1452757)
Posted by Rated X on January 7th, 2013 @ 10:19am EST
Posted by Rated X on January 7th, 2013 @ 10:19am EST
It's Rumble dammit get it right !!! If they wanted to go the "toy accurate" route, then Buzzsaw should have come with Soundwave and Lazerbeak should have come with this guy. and yep, they did a crappy job with the silver paint apps going out of the lines. I think fatigue has finally set in to those poor Chinese factory workers that work 16 hours a day painting these things.
Re: In Hand Images of MP-16 Frenzy and Buzzsaw (1452764)
Posted by mooncake623 on January 7th, 2013 @ 10:41am EST
so you're saying these guys are hand painted?
Posted by mooncake623 on January 7th, 2013 @ 10:41am EST
I think fatigue has finally set in to those poor Chinese factory workers that work 16 hours a day painting these things.
so you're saying these guys are hand painted?
Re: In Hand Images of MP-16 Frenzy and Buzzsaw (1452776)
Posted by Rated X on January 7th, 2013 @ 11:14am EST
Im pretty sure all paint apps are hand painted. I dont think they have an assembly belt with robot arms that can be programmed to paint different apps on different figures.
Posted by Rated X on January 7th, 2013 @ 11:14am EST
mooncake623 wrote:I think fatigue has finally set in to those poor Chinese factory workers that work 16 hours a day painting these things.
so you're saying these guys are hand painted?
Im pretty sure all paint apps are hand painted. I dont think they have an assembly belt with robot arms that can be programmed to paint different apps on different figures.
Re: In Hand Images of MP-16 Frenzy and Buzzsaw (1452781)
Posted by JelZe GoldRabbit on January 7th, 2013 @ 11:22am EST
Tampographs and paint masks aren't in your dictionary then? Even then, machines can mess up at times
And in Japan, Frenzy is blue, Rumble is red. Always has been, even in their dub. Period
Posted by JelZe GoldRabbit on January 7th, 2013 @ 11:22am EST
Rated X wrote:mooncake623 wrote:I think fatigue has finally set in to those poor Chinese factory workers that work 16 hours a day painting these things.
so you're saying these guys are hand painted?
Im pretty sure all paint apps are hand painted. I dont think they have an assembly belt with robot arms that can be programmed to paint different apps on different figures.
Tampographs and paint masks aren't in your dictionary then? Even then, machines can mess up at times
And in Japan, Frenzy is blue, Rumble is red. Always has been, even in their dub. Period
Re: In Hand Images of MP-16 Frenzy and Buzzsaw (1452782)
Posted by mooncake623 on January 7th, 2013 @ 11:24am EST
I'm not sure either but you're just assuming. I don't see why they won't have an assembly belt painting figures that are being mass produced. doesn't matter how little you pay factory workers but if paint apps are being painted by hand... it's not cost effective and it'll take forever....
Also look at your figures... you think the paint apps are hand painted?
Posted by mooncake623 on January 7th, 2013 @ 11:24am EST
Rated X wrote:mooncake623 wrote:I think fatigue has finally set in to those poor Chinese factory workers that work 16 hours a day painting these things.
so you're saying these guys are hand painted?
Im pretty sure all paint apps are hand painted. I dont think they have an assembly belt with robot arms that can be programmed to paint different apps on different figures.
I'm not sure either but you're just assuming. I don't see why they won't have an assembly belt painting figures that are being mass produced. doesn't matter how little you pay factory workers but if paint apps are being painted by hand... it's not cost effective and it'll take forever....
Also look at your figures... you think the paint apps are hand painted?
Re: In Hand Images of MP-16 Frenzy and Buzzsaw (1452787)
Posted by SJ21 on January 7th, 2013 @ 11:37am EST
Posted by SJ21 on January 7th, 2013 @ 11:37am EST
I would like to have these guys, but I am not spending $60 on them. Hopefully Hasbro releases them. If not, I can do without them.
Re: In Hand Images of MP-16 Frenzy and Buzzsaw (1452825)
Posted by Sabrblade on January 7th, 2013 @ 1:36pm EST
The English-language version of the G1 cartoon is not the end-all, be-all, definitive version of Generation 1. No such thing exists.
If Hasbro releases this over here, they're probably label this figure "Rumble" since they seem to be in a "FIRRIB" mindset these days. But it was always "RIRFIB" from the very beginning before the cartoon came along and swapped their names/colors for some unspecified reason.
Posted by Sabrblade on January 7th, 2013 @ 1:36pm EST
They did. Dude, this is Takara, remember? In Japan. Frenzy was always the purple/blue one in the Japanese version, so they're just following how it's always been.Rated X wrote:It's Rumble dammit get it right !!!
The English-language version of the G1 cartoon is not the end-all, be-all, definitive version of Generation 1. No such thing exists.
If Hasbro releases this over here, they're probably label this figure "Rumble" since they seem to be in a "FIRRIB" mindset these days. But it was always "RIRFIB" from the very beginning before the cartoon came along and swapped their names/colors for some unspecified reason.
Re: In Hand Images of MP-16 Frenzy and Buzzsaw (1452831)
Posted by daimchoc on January 7th, 2013 @ 1:52pm EST
Posted by daimchoc on January 7th, 2013 @ 1:52pm EST
Re: In Hand Images of MP-16 Frenzy and Buzzsaw (1452879)
Posted by Rated X on January 7th, 2013 @ 5:03pm EST
Honestly I believe all apps are hand painted. Doing things by hand has always been something asian people are very talented at. They are masters at detail. And Chinese labor is dirt cheap. Thats why the Has/Tak factories are in China instead of Japan. But looking at the latest pics above this post, the paint apps are all screwed up on these. Just look at the silver on the left side of Rumble/Frenzy's chest ans the crotch as well...
Posted by Rated X on January 7th, 2013 @ 5:03pm EST
mooncake623 wrote:Rated X wrote:mooncake623 wrote:I think fatigue has finally set in to those poor Chinese factory workers that work 16 hours a day painting these things.
so you're saying these guys are hand painted?
Im pretty sure all paint apps are hand painted. I dont think they have an assembly belt with robot arms that can be programmed to paint different apps on different figures.
I'm not sure either but you're just assuming. I don't see why they won't have an assembly belt painting figures that are being mass produced. doesn't matter how little you pay factory workers but if paint apps are being painted by hand... it's not cost effective and it'll take forever....
Also look at your figures... you think the paint apps are hand painted?
Honestly I believe all apps are hand painted. Doing things by hand has always been something asian people are very talented at. They are masters at detail. And Chinese labor is dirt cheap. Thats why the Has/Tak factories are in China instead of Japan. But looking at the latest pics above this post, the paint apps are all screwed up on these. Just look at the silver on the left side of Rumble/Frenzy's chest ans the crotch as well...
Re: In Hand Images of MP-16 Frenzy and Buzzsaw (1452884)
Posted by Delta Magnus on January 7th, 2013 @ 5:22pm EST
Posted by Delta Magnus on January 7th, 2013 @ 5:22pm EST
Silly Takara, you got Frenzy's colours wrong. Also, Frenzy never used the Piledrivers (although seeing as this is actually Rumble, that doesn't really matter!)
Re: In Hand Images of MP-16 Frenzy and Buzzsaw (1452885)
Posted by KUMA-NIN Maximus on January 7th, 2013 @ 5:23pm EST
According to Marvel Comics, which was the publication that both created and started this franchise for Hasbro, Rumble is the red one. Hasbro has even made the original Generation 1 Rumble be the red one. And it was only Sunbow who disregarded this fact - As Frenzy did a lot of rumbling, and they felt that it would confuse the children who watched it.
However, even though Takara chose to go by the names used in both the comic and toyline, it does reflect why they chose to change Optimus Prime's name to "Convoy."
Actually, the Japanese version of Buzzsaw was never packaged with Soundwave. It was packaged in the VSZ set, which included Sunstreaker and Skids. Rumble was the one that came packaged with Soundwave (when it comes to the Japanese packaging).
Posted by KUMA-NIN Maximus on January 7th, 2013 @ 5:23pm EST
Rated X wrote:It's Rumble dammit get it right !!!
According to Marvel Comics, which was the publication that both created and started this franchise for Hasbro, Rumble is the red one. Hasbro has even made the original Generation 1 Rumble be the red one. And it was only Sunbow who disregarded this fact - As Frenzy did a lot of rumbling, and they felt that it would confuse the children who watched it.
However, even though Takara chose to go by the names used in both the comic and toyline, it does reflect why they chose to change Optimus Prime's name to "Convoy."
Rated X wrote:If they wanted to go the "toy accurate" route, then Buzzsaw should have come with Soundwave and Lazerbeak should have come with this guy.
Actually, the Japanese version of Buzzsaw was never packaged with Soundwave. It was packaged in the VSZ set, which included Sunstreaker and Skids. Rumble was the one that came packaged with Soundwave (when it comes to the Japanese packaging).
Re: In Hand Images of MP-16 Frenzy and Buzzsaw (1452888)
Posted by mooncake623 on January 7th, 2013 @ 5:36pm EST
Thanks completely untrue. And way to generalize Asian people. Also Has/Tak's factories are in Vietnam... its not the same...
Posted by mooncake623 on January 7th, 2013 @ 5:36pm EST
Honestly I believe all apps are hand painted. Doing things by hand has always been something asian people are very talented at. They are masters at detail. And Chinese labor is dirt cheap. Thats why the Has/Tak factories are in China instead of Japan. But looking at the latest pics above this post, the paint apps are all screwed up on these. Just look at the silver on the left side of Rumble/Frenzy's chest ans the crotch as well...
Thanks completely untrue. And way to generalize Asian people. Also Has/Tak's factories are in Vietnam... its not the same...
Re: In Hand Images of MP-16 Frenzy and Buzzsaw (1452890)
Posted by Blurrz on January 7th, 2013 @ 5:38pm EST
1) All applications are not hand painted. The majority of applications, like faction symbols or decals are applied via tampographs - applied through heat and pressure. If they were paint you would be able to chip it off. Of course there are some times where paint is applied, like in holes or in spots where chipping would likely not occur.
2) Doing things by hand is something that people are good at. Stop being ethnocentric.
3) It's not because Chinese labor is cheap, it's because countries like Japan and South Korea have unions, ethics committee - none of that exists in rural China. Corporations like Hasbro don't want to deal with all of that red tape, so they move to countries (Vietnam and China) where ethics is nonexistent.
4) Whether or not it's by hand or by machine, machines make mistakes too.
Posted by Blurrz on January 7th, 2013 @ 5:38pm EST
Rated X wrote:Honestly I believe all apps are hand painted. Doing things by hand has always been something asian people are very talented at. They are masters at detail. And Chinese labor is dirt cheap. Thats why the Has/Tak factories are in China instead of Japan. But looking at the latest pics above this post, the paint apps are all screwed up on these. Just look at the silver on the left side of Rumble/Frenzy's chest ans the crotch as well...
1) All applications are not hand painted. The majority of applications, like faction symbols or decals are applied via tampographs - applied through heat and pressure. If they were paint you would be able to chip it off. Of course there are some times where paint is applied, like in holes or in spots where chipping would likely not occur.
2) Doing things by hand is something that people are good at. Stop being ethnocentric.
3) It's not because Chinese labor is cheap, it's because countries like Japan and South Korea have unions, ethics committee - none of that exists in rural China. Corporations like Hasbro don't want to deal with all of that red tape, so they move to countries (Vietnam and China) where ethics is nonexistent.
4) Whether or not it's by hand or by machine, machines make mistakes too.
Re: In Hand Images of MP-16 Frenzy and Buzzsaw (1452953)
Posted by Stormrider on January 7th, 2013 @ 9:56pm EST
yes, a camera does flip out. I can't recall where the picture is but I have seen it.
I am really digging these guys. Strange that they are not showing more of what the pile drivers turn into when not actually pile driving. from the accessory that clips on, I am guessing they are turn into batteries? Can anyone else confirm?
Love the face on Frenzy. Does Rumble have a different face mold? The silver paint on Frenzy's chest is bothering me. Is there a way to fix it, paint it? What is the L2412 reference on Frenzy? Scale wise, I believe both are just slightly smaller than then the originals.
Strange to see that there is only one bio card for the two figures. That's a masterpiece first.
Posted by Stormrider on January 7th, 2013 @ 9:56pm EST
CBratetron wrote:Buzzsaw/Laserbeak's head still looks like a camera flips out of the forehead. Has anyone confirmed this?
I marvel at the lack of add-on bits for Laserbeak and Ravage.
yes, a camera does flip out. I can't recall where the picture is but I have seen it.
I am really digging these guys. Strange that they are not showing more of what the pile drivers turn into when not actually pile driving. from the accessory that clips on, I am guessing they are turn into batteries? Can anyone else confirm?
Love the face on Frenzy. Does Rumble have a different face mold? The silver paint on Frenzy's chest is bothering me. Is there a way to fix it, paint it? What is the L2412 reference on Frenzy? Scale wise, I believe both are just slightly smaller than then the originals.
Strange to see that there is only one bio card for the two figures. That's a masterpiece first.
Re: In Hand Images of MP-16 Frenzy and Buzzsaw (1452990)
Posted by El Duque on January 8th, 2013 @ 12:46am EST
Posted by El Duque on January 8th, 2013 @ 12:46am EST
A second set of images of Takara Tomy's MP-16 Frenzy and Buzzsaw have emerged over on ACToys. These images give an even better look at the dastardly Decepticon duo.
Additionally we also have a couple of shots of their instruction sheet from the poster who shared the earlier set of images. It appears the upcoming MP-13 Soundwave will be able to store Frenzy's weapons in alt mode and mount his pile drivers on his arm as a double barreled cannon of sorts.
Lastly we have yet another image from ACToys detailing MP-13 Soundwave's chest compartment where he can store up to three cassettes.
Images mirrored below.
Additionally we also have a couple of shots of their instruction sheet from the poster who shared the earlier set of images. It appears the upcoming MP-13 Soundwave will be able to store Frenzy's weapons in alt mode and mount his pile drivers on his arm as a double barreled cannon of sorts.
Lastly we have yet another image from ACToys detailing MP-13 Soundwave's chest compartment where he can store up to three cassettes.
Images mirrored below.
Re: In Hand Images of MP-16 Frenzy and Buzzsaw (1452996)
Posted by Trikeboy on January 8th, 2013 @ 12:58am EST
Posted by Trikeboy on January 8th, 2013 @ 12:58am EST
I love how the parts integrate into Soundwave. Next to MP Soundwave, that Lazerbeak/Buzzsaw mould could go down as the best mould of the year, and it's only January. I still say that the head on Frenzy/Rumble are too large and I hope a kit-basher makes replacement heads for them.
Re: In Hand Images of MP-16 Frenzy and Buzzsaw (1453000)
Posted by xyl360 on January 8th, 2013 @ 1:11am EST
Posted by xyl360 on January 8th, 2013 @ 1:11am EST
The more I see of these little guys, the more impressed I am with them, especially considering that in cassette mode, they're the same size as the original G1 cassettes. I can't imagine more perfect versions of these guys. Bravo Takara engineers, you knocked this one out of the park.
Now PLEASE do the same thing with Ratbat!
Now PLEASE do the same thing with Ratbat
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Posted by CBratetron on January 8th, 2013 @ 1:20am EST
Posted by CBratetron on January 8th, 2013 @ 1:20am EST
Not getting this MP-16 twin pack, just the other one.
All I need is Soundwave, Ravage and Laserbeak.
All I need is Soundwave, Ravage and Laserbeak.
Re: In Hand Images of MP-16 Frenzy and Buzzsaw (1453002)
Posted by Ultra Markus on January 8th, 2013 @ 1:22am EST
Posted by Ultra Markus on January 8th, 2013 @ 1:22am EST
i think they are very nice wouldn't change a thing
Re: In Hand Images of MP-16 Frenzy and Buzzsaw (1453046)
Posted by AutoBorst on January 8th, 2013 @ 7:46am EST
Posted by AutoBorst on January 8th, 2013 @ 7:46am EST
MP Soundwave is looking more impressive with each news posting. Very cool how they designed him to work with his minions besides only being able to store multiples (3!?! OMG!) in his chest. Still going to wait for the Hasbro release though.
Kinda' surprised there hasn't been a MP Soundblaster announcement yet.
Kinda' surprised there hasn't been a MP Soundblaster announcement yet.
Re: In Hand Images of MP-16 Frenzy and Buzzsaw (1453048)
Posted by Cyberpath on January 8th, 2013 @ 8:12am EST
Posted by Cyberpath on January 8th, 2013 @ 8:12am EST
Rumble looks pretty good. And Buzzsaw is spot-on; identical to the cartoon.
Re: In Hand Images of MP-16 Frenzy and Buzzsaw (1453053)
Posted by Doubledealer93 on January 8th, 2013 @ 9:00am EST
Posted by Doubledealer93 on January 8th, 2013 @ 9:00am EST
they spelled rumble wrong.
Re: In Hand Images of MP-16 Frenzy and Buzzsaw (1453054)
Posted by RiddlerJ on January 8th, 2013 @ 9:03am EST
Posted by RiddlerJ on January 8th, 2013 @ 9:03am EST
This whole set is so beautiful. I want one so bad
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Posted by Erailea on January 8th, 2013 @ 9:53am EST
Ditto. Lol.
If, by the off chance, this set goes on sale, I might snag it. I don't feel compelled to spend $60 on these guys.
Posted by Erailea on January 8th, 2013 @ 9:53am EST
CBratetron wrote:Not getting this MP-16 twin pack, just the other one.
All I need is Soundwave, Ravage and Laserbeak.
Ditto. Lol.
If, by the off chance, this set goes on sale, I might snag it. I don't feel compelled to spend $60 on these guys.
Re: In Hand Images of MP-16 Frenzy and Buzzsaw (1453085)
Posted by Rated X on January 8th, 2013 @ 11:26am EST
First time a compliment has ever been attacked as being "generalizing". I wouldnt be the first person to say Asian people have steady hands when it comes to painting. Im not saying others cant do it, Im just saying people in the asian hemisphere have mastered the craft.
Ive never heard of Tampographs and dont know what they are. But once again, I dont believe there is a machine with robot hands that can be programed to press paint apps on different shapes of plastic. Theyre not that high tech. Im sure these "Tampographs" must be laid on the plastic and centered by hand. Are they like stencils ? And Vient Nam, China, Taiwan, etc, the point is Hasbro wants to pay less. Blurrz had mentioned that they dont want to deal with ethics and it's cost. It makes sense for Hasbro since the figures will be shipped to the western hemisphere. But dont you find it kind of dishonorable that Takara chooses to outsource to a country only a few hundred miles away ? Rich Asians exploiting poor asians ? I know Im touching a very sensitive issue that will trigger some people on this site to go ape s**t. But looking at Frenzys messed up paint apps boggles the mind as to how the process is done and the human aspect behind it.
Posted by Rated X on January 8th, 2013 @ 11:26am EST
mooncake623 wrote:Honestly I believe all apps are hand painted. Doing things by hand has always been something asian people are very talented at. They are masters at detail. And Chinese labor is dirt cheap. Thats why the Has/Tak factories are in China instead of Japan. But looking at the latest pics above this post, the paint apps are all screwed up on these. Just look at the silver on the left side of Rumble/Frenzy's chest ans the crotch as well...
Thanks completely untrue. And way to generalize Asian people. Also Has/Tak's factories are in Vietnam... its not the same...
First time a compliment has ever been attacked as being "generalizing". I wouldnt be the first person to say Asian people have steady hands when it comes to painting. Im not saying others cant do it, Im just saying people in the asian hemisphere have mastered the craft.
Ive never heard of Tampographs and dont know what they are. But once again, I dont believe there is a machine with robot hands that can be programed to press paint apps on different shapes of plastic. Theyre not that high tech. Im sure these "Tampographs" must be laid on the plastic and centered by hand. Are they like stencils ? And Vient Nam, China, Taiwan, etc, the point is Hasbro wants to pay less. Blurrz had mentioned that they dont want to deal with ethics and it's cost. It makes sense for Hasbro since the figures will be shipped to the western hemisphere. But dont you find it kind of dishonorable that Takara chooses to outsource to a country only a few hundred miles away ? Rich Asians exploiting poor asians ? I know Im touching a very sensitive issue that will trigger some people on this site to go ape s**t. But looking at Frenzys messed up paint apps boggles the mind as to how the process is done and the human aspect behind it.
Re: In Hand Images of MP-16 Frenzy and Buzzsaw (1453086)
Posted by Sabrblade on January 8th, 2013 @ 11:36am EST
Posted by Sabrblade on January 8th, 2013 @ 11:36am EST
http://tfwiki.net/wiki/TampographRated X wrote:Ive never heard of Tampographs and dont know what they are.
Re: In Hand Images of MP-16 Frenzy and Buzzsaw (1453091)
Posted by F Prime on January 8th, 2013 @ 11:46am EST
I know nothing about how Transformer paint apps are applied, but I do know that robots can do this. I don't think it would be that difficult....if the majority of the process is assembly line robots the precision would be pretty incredible. The tampograph machine would simply need to know the coordinates for the tampograph(s). There are some pretty incredible videos out there for precision robotic assembly.
Posted by F Prime on January 8th, 2013 @ 11:46am EST
Rated X wrote:Ive never heard of Tampographs and dont know what they are. But once again, I dont believe there is a machine with robot hands that can be programed to press paint apps on different shapes of plastic. Theyre not that high tech. Im sure these "Tampographs" must be laid on the plastic and centered by hand. Are they like stencils ?
I know nothing about how Transformer paint apps are applied, but I do know that robots can do this. I don't think it would be that difficult....if the majority of the process is assembly line robots the precision would be pretty incredible. The tampograph machine would simply need to know the coordinates for the tampograph(s). There are some pretty incredible videos out there for precision robotic assembly.
Re: In Hand Images of MP-16 Frenzy and Buzzsaw (1453106)
Posted by Deruji on January 8th, 2013 @ 1:03pm EST
You can see the process explained, at 3:50 you can also see the mass production version: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yq24QaLArso
Posted by Deruji on January 8th, 2013 @ 1:03pm EST
Sabrblade wrote:http://tfwiki.net/wiki/TampographRated X wrote:Ive never heard of Tampographs and dont know what they are.
You can see the process explained, at 3:50 you can also see the mass production version: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yq24QaLArso
Re: In Hand Images of MP-16 Frenzy and Buzzsaw (1453117)
Posted by gothsaurus on January 8th, 2013 @ 1:51pm EST
Posted by gothsaurus on January 8th, 2013 @ 1:51pm EST
While these are just samples, the poor paint apps — coupled with what we saw out of Sideswipe — doesn't give me much hope. I hate the notion of dropping masterpiece prices and getting knock-off quality paint apps. It definitely needs to be addressed.
Re: In Hand Images of MP-16 Frenzy and Buzzsaw (1453119)
Posted by gothsaurus on January 8th, 2013 @ 1:54pm EST
Posted by gothsaurus on January 8th, 2013 @ 1:54pm EST
wait. I just read hold three cassettes. HOLDS THREE CASSETTES!!??? Wow. Nice job Takara. Nice job. 
Re: In Hand Images of MP-16 Frenzy and Buzzsaw (1453133)
Posted by Rated X on January 8th, 2013 @ 2:33pm EST
Very interesting. But if it's this easy, then that just opens the door for arguments on why Hasbro versions have SOME of the paint apps, but not ALL of the paint apps Takara versions have. I hate that American market vs. Japanese Market argument Hasbro always throws up in convention pannels. Theyre basically saying American kids are savages who destroy their toys and dont deserve the extra 50 cents worth of Tampo ink. Or are they saying Japanese kids dont buy toy robots, only Japanese adult collectors ? Either way, something seems lazy and cheap on Hasbro's part.
Posted by Rated X on January 8th, 2013 @ 2:33pm EST
Deruji wrote:Sabrblade wrote:http://tfwiki.net/wiki/TampographRated X wrote:Ive never heard of Tampographs and dont know what they are.
You can see the process explained, at 3:50 you can also see the mass production version: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yq24QaLArso
Very interesting. But if it's this easy, then that just opens the door for arguments on why Hasbro versions have SOME of the paint apps, but not ALL of the paint apps Takara versions have. I hate that American market vs. Japanese Market argument Hasbro always throws up in convention pannels. Theyre basically saying American kids are savages who destroy their toys and dont deserve the extra 50 cents worth of Tampo ink. Or are they saying Japanese kids dont buy toy robots, only Japanese adult collectors ? Either way, something seems lazy and cheap on Hasbro's part.
Re: In Hand Images of MP-16 Frenzy and Buzzsaw (1453135)
Posted by Mindmaster on January 8th, 2013 @ 2:46pm EST
Posted by Mindmaster on January 8th, 2013 @ 2:46pm EST
The fact that Soundwave can actually store/use the cassettes' accessories is just downright awesome. 
I wish Frenzy (Rumble!) came with Ravage instead, I'd much rather have those two over Rumble (Frenzy!) and Buzzsaw.
I wish Frenzy (Rumble!) came with Ravage instead, I'd much rather have those two over Rumble (Frenzy!) and Buzzsaw.
Re: In Hand Images of MP-16 Frenzy and Buzzsaw (1453136)
Posted by JelZe GoldRabbit on January 8th, 2013 @ 2:49pm EST
It's indeed Japanese vs. American market. Unlike Hasbro, TakaraTomy has to compete rather aggressively with big companies like Bandai. And I mean BIG: Bandai has I think the lion's share in the robot toy figure department and then some, in both the kids' and adult collector's market.
Posted by JelZe GoldRabbit on January 8th, 2013 @ 2:49pm EST
Rated X wrote:Deruji wrote:Sabrblade wrote:http://tfwiki.net/wiki/TampographRated X wrote:Ive never heard of Tampographs and dont know what they are.
You can see the process explained, at 3:50 you can also see the mass production version: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yq24QaLArso
Very interesting. But if it's this easy, then that just opens the door for arguments on why Hasbro versions have SOME of the paint apps, but not ALL of the paint apps Takara versions have. I hate that American market vs. Japanese Market argument Hasbro always throws up in convention pannels. Theyre basically saying American kids are savages who destroy their toys and dont deserve the extra 50 cents worth of Tampo ink. Or are they saying Japanese kids dont buy toy robots, only Japanese adult collectors ? Either way, something seems lazy and cheap on Hasbro's part.
It's indeed Japanese vs. American market. Unlike Hasbro, TakaraTomy has to compete rather aggressively with big companies like Bandai. And I mean BIG: Bandai has I think the lion's share in the robot toy figure department and then some, in both the kids' and adult collector's market.
Re: In Hand Images of MP-16 Frenzy and Buzzsaw (1453140)
Posted by gothsaurus on January 8th, 2013 @ 3:08pm EST
Posted by gothsaurus on January 8th, 2013 @ 3:08pm EST
From what I've heard, Hasbro has a budget for a number of paint apps PER wave of toys. Guessing the competition gives Takara a bigger paint app budget. Amazing what a few paint apps do for a toy, like comparing the FOC Prime and Jazz. Sigh.
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