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Age Of Extinction Was ILM's Biggest Data Project To Date

Transformers News: Age Of Extinction Was ILM's Biggest Data Project To Date

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FXGuide has posted an in depth article that takes you behind the scenes of the creation of the all brand new Transformers for Age Of Extinction. This was not an easy process as they had to utilize new methods to do facial motion capture to bring the Autobots and Decepticons to life like they never had before.

ILM visual effects supervisor Scott Farrar describes the show as the “heaviest data wrangling picture I’ve ever done, the largest in ILM’s history. It was the largest crew I’ve ever had – 500 people. It was IMAX and 3D so you’re rendering twice as much at least. Our work is about 90 minutes worth of the movie.”


One of the most expressive, and complicated, robot faces in the film was Lockdown’s, who was voiced by Mark Ryan. “We used Mark Ryan’s face as a heavy anchor on how his face should move,” explains O’Connor. “Using his face as reference, we got a pretty bang-on match to the actor and I think that adds a heck of a lot of detail to the performance because we’re pulling up nuances to what the actor did.”


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Re: Age Of Extinction Was ILM's Biggest Data Project To Date (1586793)
Posted by Autobot032 on June 30th, 2014 @ 2:40am CDT
SamYarbrough77 wrote:Hoi Chummers
I'm the biggest G1 Decepticon fan, Galvatron plays 2nd fiddle to Lockdown? If my memory serves right with the prior movies, This means Galvatron maybe get's one line to say in the whole movie? I was hoping to hear more g1 Galvy. Wonder if he is true to the character or is a brand new character. Sorry Admin is this is a reoccurring thread.


We do have a pre-existing discussion thread, which is located here: age-of-extinction-discussion-thread-t100662.php (it has spoilers, so if you don't want to know more than this, be careful when perusing it.)

As for Galvatron, he doesn't receive nearly the screentime he deserves, but the scenes that he's in, he dominates them. He's quite a powerful presence and looks to be shaping up to be quite a worrisome problem for the Autobots.

He has several lines to say and some of them are really cool. (I won't repeat them here unless you want to know.) I can tell you this, he does not sound like G1 Galvatron. He's voiced by Frank Welker, but it's not the Galvatron voice you're used to.
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Posted by SamYarbrough77 on June 30th, 2014 @ 2:51am CDT
Autobot032 wrote:
SamYarbrough77 wrote:Hoi Chummers
I'm the biggest G1 Decepticon fan, Galvatron plays 2nd fiddle to Lockdown? If my memory serves right with the prior movies, This means Galvatron maybe get's one line to say in the whole movie? I was hoping to hear more g1 Galvy. Wonder if he is true to the character or is a brand new character. Sorry Admin is this is a reoccurring thread.


We do have a pre-existing discussion thread, which is located here: age-of-extinction-discussion-thread-t100662.php (it has spoilers, so if you don't want to know more than this, be careful when perusing it.)

As for Galvatron, he doesn't receive nearly the screentime he deserves, but the scenes that he's in, he dominates them. He's quite a powerful presence and looks to be shaping up to be quite a worrisome problem for the Autobots.

He has several lines to say and some of them are really cool. (I won't repeat them here unless you want to know.) I can tell you this, he does not sound like G1 Galvatron. He's voiced by Frank Welker, but it's not the Galvatron voice you're used to.

Aw, cool anyway. They deviated his look so much. I will have to check it out thank you. I thought they would let Welker just go ahead and do G1 Galvy.
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Posted by Shuttershock on June 30th, 2014 @ 3:11am CDT
SamYarbrough77 wrote:
Autobot032 wrote:
SamYarbrough77 wrote:Hoi Chummers
I'm the biggest G1 Decepticon fan, Galvatron plays 2nd fiddle to Lockdown? If my memory serves right with the prior movies, This means Galvatron maybe get's one line to say in the whole movie? I was hoping to hear more g1 Galvy. Wonder if he is true to the character or is a brand new character. Sorry Admin is this is a reoccurring thread.


We do have a pre-existing discussion thread, which is located here: age-of-extinction-discussion-thread-t100662.php (it has spoilers, so if you don't want to know more than this, be careful when perusing it.)

As for Galvatron, he doesn't receive nearly the screentime he deserves, but the scenes that he's in, he dominates them. He's quite a powerful presence and looks to be shaping up to be quite a worrisome problem for the Autobots.

He has several lines to say and some of them are really cool. (I won't repeat them here unless you want to know.) I can tell you this, he does not sound like G1 Galvatron. He's voiced by Frank Welker, but it's not the Galvatron voice you're used to.

Aw, cool anyway. They deviated his look so much. I will have to check it out thank you. I thought they would let Welker just go ahead and do G1 Galvy.


He sounded a lot like Frank Welker's "new Megatron" voice. I remember during either Prime or one of the games, Welker talked about how he had to evolve his performance from a shouty G1 voice to a more low-pitched rasp, like he's exhaling pure evil and it hurts just to be him.

All in all it's a nice voice, he just doesn't get many lines (again). All they want is a generic monster, so the throaty rasp is fine. I'd be more angry if they got David Kaye to do it, but still gave him no time to be eloquent.
Re: Age Of Extinction Was ILM's Biggest Data Project To Date (1586806)
Posted by noctorro on June 30th, 2014 @ 3:53am CDT
To hell with Rotten Tomatoes,

all these guys want is everyone to watch Amélie and The Godfather 2
Re: Age Of Extinction Was ILM's Biggest Data Project To Date (1586816)
Posted by Sub-Prime on June 30th, 2014 @ 5:55am CDT
No matter who directs TF there will always be someone who isn't satisfied. A new director would probably give the humans as much screen time or more over the bots than most of you guys would like. The only TF movie that will be loved by everyone on here is a War For Cybertron type movie.
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Posted by ZeroWolf on June 30th, 2014 @ 6:26am CDT
Sub-Prime wrote:No matter who directs TF there will always be someone who isn't satisfied. A new director would probably give the humans as much screen time or more over the bots than most of you guys would like. The only TF movie that will be loved by everyone on here is a War For Cybertron type movie.

Even then there would be someone who wouldn't be happy.

Here's a thought though, to all those who feel strongly about the story the film used, what would you have done? I'm not being sarcastic or anything, it's a genuine question. Of course, I know that the story is one of many criticisms with the franchise but one thing at a time.
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Posted by ZeroWolf on June 30th, 2014 @ 6:27am CDT
Sub-Prime wrote:No matter who directs TF there will always be someone who isn't satisfied. A new director would probably give the humans as much screen time or more over the bots than most of you guys would like. The only TF movie that will be loved by everyone on here is a War For Cybertron type movie.

Even then there would be someone who wouldn't be happy.

Here's a thought though, to all those who feel strongly about the story the film used, what would you have done? I'm not being sarcastic or anything, it's a genuine question. Of course, I know that the story is one of many criticisms with the franchise but one thing at a time.
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Posted by Burn on June 30th, 2014 @ 6:37am CDT
How about someone answer me this?

Why does the director get all the blame and not the script writer(s)?
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Posted by Sub-Prime on June 30th, 2014 @ 6:45am CDT
I ask this question to Micheal Bay haters everyday! They seems to think he writes the films. It's just commonplace to hate the guy now-a-days.
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Posted by Burn on June 30th, 2014 @ 6:52am CDT
Sub-Prime wrote:I ask this question to Micheal Bay haters everyday! They seems to think he writes the films. It's just commonplace to hate the guy now-a-days.


Exactly!

Don't like the new TMNT? Blame Michael Bay! Even though he's JUST the Producer. He's not the Director, he's not the Script Writer, just the producer.

The same role he's done MORE TIMES than director, but is he criticised for I Am Number Four? The Friday the 13th, Texas Chainsaw Massacre and Nightmare on Elm Street remakes? Nope.

What makes me laugh though? He's Michael Bay, he doesn't care if you hate him.
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Posted by noctorro on June 30th, 2014 @ 6:56am CDT
Hate is such an overused word nowadays anyway.

Nobody seems to praise anything, I think the action sequences are freaking awesome and never seen before. But oh noo, some sex jokes and toilet humor and 'everything' about the movie is a total waste of time.

okay, negative Nancy mode off.
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Posted by Rodimus Prime on June 30th, 2014 @ 6:58am CDT
Toralei_De_Nile wrote:To me it seemed like Optimus was moments away from death in that barn... Apparently he just had a tooth ache.


I don't know about you, but sometimes when I get a tooth ache it feels like I'm moments away from death...

R.I.P. Ratchet T_T


Yes. The hardest part of the movie for me. The 1st time was kinda sad, then I saw the movie again and knew it was coming, and it actually depressed me for a little bit. I was the same way with Ironhide, but at least Ironhide got it quick and relatively painless. Ratchet was chased down, shot a bunch of times, had 1 leg and 1 arm severed, the whole time begging the humans to stop, and then finally his "soul" gets ripped out. But, he never gave up Prime, and went out with backbone. However, it begs the question: what did Lockdown do with his spark? Is it on the ship somewhere? If so, can he be brought back with a new body? I hope so.

Anyway, things I loved about the film:

- Hound. Everything about him. My favorite character in AoE. Good lines, good voice actor, and I loved the fact that they made him fat, yet he kicked the most ass in the whole movie. Even more than the "Dinobots," Prime and Bee.

- NO MILITARY. For me, the previous 3 films were ruined somewhat by Bay being on the military's ballz so much. This time, it was bot-on-bot action, the way it should be.

- Galvatron. And the fact that he's not a completely new character, but Megatron "reborn." Technically that's Megatron's mind in a new body. And he has no spark, not inside him anyway.

The above also made me think of something else. Did Megatron survive Prime's onslaught at the end of DoTM because he already didn't have a spark? It would also explain why he kept deteriorating throughout the movies. He didn't have that "lifeforce" (as explained in AoE) inside him. At the end of the 1st film, Sam uses the Allspark to beat Megatron by putting it into his spark, and effectively destroying it, as Optimus had explained it earlier in that movie. So in RoTF, did he just awaken because of the shard? He couldn't have used the spark of the Constructicon whose body was used to rebuild him, because then it wouldn't have been Megatron. So does that mean Megatron was without a spark ever since the end of the 1st film?

Things I didn't like about the film:

- Still too much human drama. The father/daughter/boyfriend thing could have been cut down by half the time, and it would have been an actual positive on the film, as well as cut back on the enormously long running time. Wahlberg's acting made a big difference as opposed to Shia, but the daughter character was too damn annoying with her constant badgering of her father not being able to take care of her.

- The man-made Transformers' transformation. I do like Galvatron, and the fact that he's a truck, but that form of transformation is just way out there. I am trying to understand why they did it that way, because they learned to manipulate "Transformium" but I hope once Galvatron became self-aware, he would revert to actual transformation by shifting body parts.

- As I said above, Ratchet's death. Honestly, they could have gotten rid of either Crosshairs or Drift, and kept Ratchet as the 5th Bot. I think he and Hound would have had a great chemistry. But I understand, gotta sell the new toys.

I will reiterate, overall I liked the film very much, I give it a 3/5, simply due to the misuse of the "Dinobots" and the overdoing of the human drama. I have yet to see it in 3D, so I will probably do that this coming weekend.
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Posted by Burn on June 30th, 2014 @ 6:59am CDT
noctorro wrote:Hate is such an overused word nowadays anyway.


Yeah, it is. There were a few things I disliked about the movie, but there's no point in hating on it. Too negative, I try to keep positive.
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Posted by Sub-Prime on June 30th, 2014 @ 7:16am CDT
Did anybody notice that Joshua Joyce wanted to turn Galvatron into looking like Nemesis Prime? He wanted to create a controlled version of Optimus! I found that part cool in the movie when he was mad about Galvatron looking evil.
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Posted by Bleak5170 on June 30th, 2014 @ 7:18am CDT
Rodimus Prime wrote:
Toralei_De_Nile wrote:To me it seemed like Optimus was moments away from death in that barn... Apparently he just had a tooth ache.


I don't know about you, but sometimes when I get a tooth ache it feels like I'm moments away from death...

R.I.P. Ratchet T_T


Yes. The hardest part of the movie for me. The 1st time was kinda sad, then I saw the movie again and knew it was coming, and it actually depressed me for a little bit. I was the same way with Ironhide, but at least Ironhide got it quick and relatively painless. Ratchet was chased down, shot a bunch of times, had 1 leg and 1 arm severed, the whole time begging the humans to stop, and then finally his "soul" gets ripped out. But, he never gave up Prime, and went out with backbone. However, it begs the question: what did Lockdown do with his spark? Is it on the ship somewhere? If so, can he be brought back with a new body? I hope so.



Highly unlikely Hasbro will bring back a "dead", relatively minor character, but OMG I would be the happiest person ever if they did this. Just can't see it happening though as once a TF is dead they usually stay that way, (major characters not included of course).
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Posted by Cyber Bishop on June 30th, 2014 @ 7:34am CDT
Mindmaster wrote:Just a quick reminder, fellas: it's alright to voice opinions, but please tone down the language. We have a wide demographic that visits the site, and we'd like to maintain a positive vibe. Thanks! ;)



:roll:
>:oP


I finally saw DOTM on Sunday and I have to say that I enjoyed it. It was so much better than I anticipated too and maybe the set up for the next movie will provide more TF and less humans.

I can see the 5th one split between the autobots on earth with Cade working for Joshua's company and the Autobots while Prime meets up with other space faring Autobots in a quest to confront the creators.
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Posted by dragons on June 30th, 2014 @ 7:38am CDT
Burn wrote:
Sub-Prime wrote:I ask this question to Micheal Bay haters everyday! They seems to think he writes the films. It's just commonplace to hate the guy now-a-days.


Exactly!

Don't like the new TMNT? Blame Michael Bay! Even though he's JUST the Producer. He's not the Director, he's not the Script Writer, just the producer.

The same role he's done MORE TIMES than director, but is he criticised for I Am Number Four? The Friday the 13th, Texas Chainsaw Massacre and Nightmare on Elm Street remakes? Nope.

What makes me laugh though? He's Michael Bay, he doesn't care if you hate him.



not fan of freddy but I liked it, Friday 13th was good remake on character, I like number four wanted sequel how it would turn out, tmnt I look forwad to it,.

the last ship on tnt looks god to see but Idont watch a lot of tv to see it.

people should think if there was another yes as another memebe said would give humans more screen time and less bots in it, but not all directors do there work when making movie bay did and twist things around he added g1 to live action bits and picecs of g1 and rid series, first gijoe didn't turn out well characters look sigma 6 exo suites, but sequel did director like series he know how chARACTERS should look and act, batman 3 and 4 not directed by tim burton it made batman movies colorful in city with lights neon, city kept getting bigger and bigge with each sequel and bat nipples on costumes, with batmobile look more of hotrod with out roof that's all im naming for any other movie for director who has made movies.

fans don't like how bots look in bay movies don't watch series directors have some say how characters look and act in scenes.

good movie understood everything except galvarton having hole in his chest part I didn't get hah nemesis prime trying to look like prime evil double like that.
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Posted by Gurgintius Maximus on June 30th, 2014 @ 7:46am CDT
Burn wrote:
Sub-Prime wrote:I ask this question to Micheal Bay haters everyday! They seems to think he writes the films. It's just commonplace to hate the guy now-a-days.


Exactly!

Don't like the new TMNT? Blame Michael Bay! Even though he's JUST the Producer. He's not the Director, he's not the Script Writer, just the producer.

The same role he's done MORE TIMES than director, but is he criticised for I Am Number Four? The Friday the 13th, Texas Chainsaw Massacre and Nightmare on Elm Street remakes? Nope.

What makes me laugh though? He's Michael Bay, he doesn't care if you hate him.


I by no means hate Bay. He obviously is a successful director and even though I would struggle to remember a film of his I was a fan of without looking at his body of work, I am sure one or two exist. As far as him being the director and taking most of the heat, I think it in the same vein as a goalie or a quarterback getting a disproportionate amount of blame for a teams "failure". Not always justified but reality just the same.

That being said, I don't think its arguable that his signature is not all over the films, most of his movies follow the same basic formula. He doesn't always use the same writers but the movies still share a common theme. He obviously has a lot of input on the writing team, add this, take out that etc.

I don't think there is anything wrong with you staying positive about things, thats generally a good quality but on the same token it isn't wrong to not enjoy something and to say so. Not everybody enjoys Andy Worhol as an artist, are detractors just not as enlightened as fans? I think it would be kinda creepy if everything that was ever made by a "professional" anything was universally liked simply because I or we could not do it better.

I will fully admit that some of my distaste for all the films stems from my inability or unwillingness to ignore the source material and my desire for any movie based on it to stay a bit more true. I am also glad that Transformers is big right now largely in part of these movies.

Are the movies bad imo? No. Emotionally satisfying for me personally? No. Am I glad people enjoy them? Yes, even though the films success means I will likely go unsatisfied. A worse fate would be the material never got attention and Transformers as a brand suffered, so I will take it.

If I may pose a question to you Burn, Do you enjoy the new Spiderman movies? Did you enjoy the old Spiderman movies?
If yes to the new and no to the old, did your opinion toward the old change once the new was made? Assuming you like Spiderman at all that is...

I ask because I thought the old ones were decent but lacking something I could not put my finger on. But with the same source material and a new director (and writers) I found the reboots very satisfying as a fan. Same holds true for me with the Batman franchise (excluding 3)
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Posted by FortyDeuce on June 30th, 2014 @ 7:47am CDT
-Kanrabat- wrote:My reaction when the dinobots only showed up at the end only to fight without any character devlopment.


Image


Exactly how I felt.
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Posted by TurboMMaster on June 30th, 2014 @ 8:42am CDT
Skywarp64 wrote:
SlyTF1 wrote:He was a joke in G1. What's changed?


Nah, G1 Megs got shit DONE. I mean, by 2005, he successfully conquered Cybertron.
Almost each Megatron (including thi one) conquered Cybertron or much of it at some point, except fo Animated. And most of them was able to do so without beign Prime's punching bag all the time.

He then succeeded in killing Optimus Prime, albeit being incapacitated in the process
Onky because of Hot Rod, and this didn't last long.

- Galvatron. And the fact that he's not a completely new character, but Megatron "reborn." Technically that's Megatron's mind in a new body. And he has no spark, not inside him anyway.
It is not so "new body" since it was builded from Megatron remains, with addition of Transforium. Also, it is possible that he have Ratchet parts in it, witch makes him kinda creppy. But isn't lack of Spark makes him kinda Cybertronian equivalent of inteligent undead? I like to thing that he is kinda like a Lich, since he lives without "soul" in his body, have his own mind and free will and is able to create army of mooks to aid him in combat.

And yeah, beign exposed to Allspark's pure energy twice could have a side effect of making Megatron immortal. This could be the answer about "How he surived in Chicago stuff."

- The man-made Transformers' transformation. I do like Galvatron, and the fact that he's a truck, but that form of transformation is just way out there. I am trying to understand why they did it that way, because they learned to manipulate "Transformium" but I hope once Galvatron became self-aware, he would revert to actual transformation by shifting body parts.
Isn't this of of his greatest adventages? Ability to turn into floating cloud of metal makes him virtually unstopable.

Also, I'm kinda suprised that Joshua didn't paid in any way for what he did. I now that he wasn't a bad guy, but all what he did should cost him.

Burn wrote:Don't like the new TMNT? Blame Michael Bay! Even though he's JUST the Producer. He's not the Director, he's not the Script Writer, just the producer.

The same role he's done MORE TIMES than director, but is he criticised for I Am Number Four? The Friday the 13th, Texas Chainsaw Massacre and Nightmare on Elm Street remakes? Nope.
Isn't producer the guy who puts his money on a table? If so, he seems to be quite powerfull person to me. It's hard to make commertial movie without money, you know. And if you have the money, why don't use it to turn movie your way?
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Posted by Shuttershock on June 30th, 2014 @ 9:31am CDT
FortyDeuce wrote:
-Kanrabat- wrote:My reaction when the dinobots only showed up at the end only to fight without any character devlopment.


Image


Exactly how I felt.


The hell are "Dinobots?" All I saw were "Brave Warriors", who just happened to be on the ship we stole and had no foreshadowing whatsoever.

If machine robots are involved, does that make it a literal Deus Ex Machina?
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Posted by Cthulhunicron on June 30th, 2014 @ 9:49am CDT
noctorro wrote:To hell with Rotten Tomatoes,

all these guys want is everyone to watch Amélie and The Godfather 2


That really isn't true. X-Men Days of Future Past got a 92% rating. Pacific Rim got a 72%. Rotten Tomatoes (and lots of other people) dislike the Transformers movies because they are bad movies. I don't find them to be representative of good sci-fi/action filmmaking.
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Posted by 5150 Cruiser on June 30th, 2014 @ 9:58am CDT
SamYarbrough77 wrote:
Autobot032 wrote:
He has several lines to say and some of them are really cool. (I won't repeat them here unless you want to know.) I can tell you this, he does not sound like G1 Galvatron. He's voiced by Frank Welker, but it's not the Galvatron voice you're used to.

Aw, cool anyway. They deviated his look so much. I will have to check it out thank you. I thought they would let Welker just go ahead and do G1 Galvy.


Correct me if i'm wrong, but didn't Lenord Nemoy Voice Galvatron in the G1 movie? Frank Welker only voiced Megatron if i remember right.

As for the movie i really liked it. Easily the most screen time and personality for the bots in this movie than probably the first three put together. Even rachet who died proabaly had more lines than any of the previous 3 movies. Hound, Drift, Crosshairs, Brains, Prime, and BB. All the autobots had great chemistry. Very happy.
Lockdown was bad ass. Best villain to date. Just his presence was dominating. Good screen time, alt mode was bad ass, and mark Ryan's voice was perfect.
Galvatron to me was more of a setup for the upcoming movies. I'm good with that.
But the dinobots...
To me they were just there so hasbro can sell toys. no other reason. They served no other point really. Truly disappointed.
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Posted by Shuttershock on June 30th, 2014 @ 10:06am CDT
5150 Cruiser wrote:
SamYarbrough77 wrote:
Autobot032 wrote:
He has several lines to say and some of them are really cool. (I won't repeat them here unless you want to know.) I can tell you this, he does not sound like G1 Galvatron. He's voiced by Frank Welker, but it's not the Galvatron voice you're used to.

Aw, cool anyway. They deviated his look so much. I will have to check it out thank you. I thought they would let Welker just go ahead and do G1 Galvy.


Correct me if i'm wrong, but didn't Lenord Nemoy Voice Galvatron in the G1 movie? Frank Welker only voiced Megatron if i remember right.

As for the movie i really liked it. Easily the most screen time and personality for the bots in this movie than probably the first three put together. Even rachet who died proabaly had more lines than any of the previous 3 movies. Hound, Drift, Crosshairs, Brains, Prime, and BB. All the autobots had great chemistry. Very happy.
Lockdown was bad ass. Best villain to date. Just his presence was dominating. Good screen time, alt mode was bad ass, and mark Ryan's voice was perfect.
Galvatron to me was more of a setup for the upcoming movies. I'm good with that.
But the dinobots...
To me they were just there so hasbro can sell toys. no other reason. They served no other point really. Truly disappointed.


As with most of the voice cast for the 80's movie, Galvatron's voice actor did not stay on for the subsequent third season. Frank Welker stepped in to voice Galvatron for that period, his voice being noticeably more nasally and high-pitched than Nemoy's, akin to a robotic Skeletor.
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Posted by TurboMMaster on June 30th, 2014 @ 11:06am CDT
5150 Cruiser wrote:
SamYarbrough77 wrote:
Autobot032 wrote:
He has several lines to say and some of them are really cool. (I won't repeat them here unless you want to know.) I can tell you this, he does not sound like G1 Galvatron. He's voiced by Frank Welker, but it's not the Galvatron voice you're used to.

Aw, cool anyway. They deviated his look so much. I will have to check it out thank you. I thought they would let Welker just go ahead and do G1 Galvy.


Correct me if i'm wrong, but didn't Lenord Nemoy Voice Galvatron in the G1 movie? Frank Welker only voiced Megatron if i remember right.

Nemoy voiced Galvatron only in 86's movie. In third and fourth seazons Galvatron was voiced by Frank Welker. However, I must say, I'm glad that Welker changed the way he impersonanted Megatron/Galvatron. I don't see AOE Galvatron or Prime Megatron with original Megatron's screetchy voice of smoker.
Cthulhunicron wrote:That really isn't true. X-Men Days of Future Past got a 92% rating. Pacific Rim got a 72%. Rotten Tomatoes (and lots of other people) dislike the Transformers movies because they are bad movies. I don't find them to be representative of good sci-fi/action filmmaking.
I agree with that, there is no kind of conspiracy to undermine Michael Bay's work. People don't like his movies becase he failed so many times, it is hard to count.

However, I don't understand how this movie could be consider than DOTM. Except fot the 2007 movie, Bayformers were a abominations. Age of Extinction is a decent summer action movie for cash that didn't ruined Transformers in any way. This is a great improvement.
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Posted by Rodimus Prime on June 30th, 2014 @ 11:13am CDT
TurboMMaster wrote:However, I don't understand how this movie could be consider than DOTM.


Because it's your opinion. Just because you think the movies aren't good, doesn't make them so. Most people can find both good and bad about the movies. If it was all bad, it wouldn't have made it past RoTF, because nobody would have paid to see them.
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Posted by Sub-Prime on June 30th, 2014 @ 11:29am CDT
One thing a lot of people overlook is the Transformers is naturally a compromise. There's 4 ways it could go and I'll explain why all of them would lead to mass hate.

1. Human story focused and minimal robot story and action. This one would probably be loved by critics but hated by many TF lovers. It would probably have a high score but end up being like Godzilla where the last 10 minutes is when he arrives.

2. Robot focused story with minimal amounts of human story. This I would love because it would be like the TV series. Robot personalities and big action without worrying much about human interference. The critics would hate this badly! But real fans would love it the most. So essentially it would fail again.

3. Then there is the possibility of a strong human story and a strong robot story. Also fans would love more characters from the transformers perspective which would mean a ton of human and robot character development. This film would also be hated on. Why? Easy it would be a solid 3 and half hour film. There's a reason the tv series gets high praises. More episodes to flesh it out perfectly.

4. A war for cybertron type movie that completely eradicates every human actor. This won't sit well with critics or fans of the human cast.

In short you will never get a perfect Transformer film.
Re: Age Of Extinction Was ILM's Biggest Data Project To Date (1586881)
Posted by Bleak5170 on June 30th, 2014 @ 11:48am CDT
Well said Sub-Prime. It amazes me that so many people fail to realize that a Transformers movie with no humans simply wouldn't bring in as much money. The more money these movies make, the more movies we will get. They may not be the perfect Transformers fanoby's dream, but we never would have made it to 4 flicks otherwise.
Re: Age Of Extinction Was ILM's Biggest Data Project To Date (1586883)
Posted by Sub-Prime on June 30th, 2014 @ 12:03pm CDT
I'm happy to know other folks understand how compromising it is. I will always choose number 2 and 4. Why? Real Transformers lover.
Re: Age Of Extinction Was ILM's Biggest Data Project To Date (1586892)
Posted by Bleak5170 on June 30th, 2014 @ 12:36pm CDT
Sub-Prime wrote:I'm happy to know other folks understand how compromising it is. I will always choose number 2 and 4. Why? Real Transformers lover.


People need to remember they have to completely disconnect their childhood love of a franchise from it's movie adaptations, otherwise you're only going to be disappointed. At least TF fans have it better than G.I. Joe fans as those movies are even worse!

While an all-Transformer movie would be cool, I think we need some human element in order for people to relate to the story. In the cartoons I would have no problem with zero human element, but I think you need it in these big blockbuster movies.
Re: Age Of Extinction Was ILM's Biggest Data Project To Date (1586898)
Posted by Sub-Prime on June 30th, 2014 @ 1:20pm CDT
If another director steps in I hope it's a Transformers fan director. I hope it's not Nolan. A non fan director will be human bias in my opinion.
Re: Age Of Extinction Was ILM's Biggest Data Project To Date (1586901)
Posted by SFXPrime on June 30th, 2014 @ 1:46pm CDT
It looks like the next film will based mostly in space which would be super cool! Hopefully they put at least one actual female Autobot in it. I can totally see Windblade next to Drift since they both share that Japanese theme. My mind would be blown if she was also a triple changer like Drift. She can be a V-Tol aircraft, a black and red Lamborghini Egoista, and her robot mode. I would totally love to have Maggie Q voice her! She has an incredible voice.
Re: Age Of Extinction Was ILM's Biggest Data Project To Date (1586904)
Posted by ZeroWolf on June 30th, 2014 @ 2:09pm CDT
Sub-Prime wrote:I'm happy to know other folks understand how compromising it is. I will always choose number 2 and 4. Why? Real Transformers lover.

When I first saw this post I thought you were saying that Revenge of the Fallen and Age of Extinction were your favourites :lol:

There was three female Autobots in RotF, Arcee, Elita 1 and Chromia. Of course given their screen time you could be forgiven for forgetting about them.
Re: Age Of Extinction Was ILM's Biggest Data Project To Date (1586906)
Posted by Bloodlust on June 30th, 2014 @ 2:21pm CDT
So I saw AOE this past Saturday, but being a good 31 year old student I needed to finish my homework before I could play on this thread :P

Let me say that I have viscously loved all the movies in the Live Action continuity, and by the way, I love G1 as well, hell I love ALL Transformers media (except Energon and Cybertron).

So let me just say this movie was exactly why I watch, giant space robots running around causing mayhem and destruction! =P~

Lockdown was just absolutely bad ass. Nothing to add, I mean what can you add, his FACE is the Swiss Army Knife of Transformers, your argument is invalid.

I feel for Ratchet, reminds of the scene in the Last of the Mohicans when the General gets his heart cut out and eaten, painful to the last moment.

The humans are a vast improvement over the previous series, of course maybe I am slightly immature for my age, but I found myself chuckling at quite a few parts.

The humor was appropriate and came at the right time. Personally, I would probably be a little crazy if I found out I was carrying the equivalent of a tactical nuclear missile on my back, and who hasn't been in the situation where a bunch of old ladies just won't get the F*** out of the way?

I loved the new team of bots, and I am a Decepticon lover through and through, but Hound took it for me. Fat Ballerina = spitting out my coke. I also enjoyed the conflict between the Autobots without Prime around, it really sold us on how important Prime really is to that faction.

I could care less about Bumblebee's regression, since I never liked him in the first place (braces for s***storm), but his reaction to the Stinger model was appropriate.

Now, I am sure I will catch a BUNCH of flak for this, but I love the new and more pissed off Prime. I'm sorry, but after all the crap he's been through, I don't blame him for saying f*** humanity. His reaction when seeing Ratchet killed and melted down was priceless and probably one of the most emotional scenes. I never thought I would hear the words "He will die" come out of his mouth and it made the hair on my neck stand up, which is what I have always wanted out of Prime. Not to mention that his motivational speech to the Dinobots was incredible. The Navy should use Prime as a motivational speaker.

Crosshairs, interesting to see a dickhead Autobot.

Drift, not bad would of liked to of seen some more sword wielding action.

Galvatron, can't wait to see what he's going to be like in the next few films.

Dinobots? Pure Awesome. Would it of been nice if they spoke? Sure but just seeing them tear down through Hong Kong was good enough for me.

Best line in the movie? "I was expecting a giant car."

Run time? Didn't care, was to absorbed in watching this.

Once again, just my .02 and nobody is going to change it for me. I was glad I got to see it in the theaters though. I would defintely see it again.

Forgot the one thing that bothered me, where the HELL is the Matrix of Leadership? I understand the quasi-reboot but if you're going to bring in Chicago from DOTM, then give us SOMETHING on where the Matrix is. That is my ONLY complaint.
Re: Age Of Extinction Was ILM's Biggest Data Project To Date (1586908)
Posted by Sub-Prime on June 30th, 2014 @ 2:23pm CDT
It's funny I like all 4 movies even though I have gripes with all of them. Rotf which is hated on mainly for the twins and the so called racist humor paired with some wacky human characters was actually good when those things weren't apparent enough. If you watch ROTF and skim through certain parts it's not bad. I also loved the robot action in that movie a lot.
Re: Age Of Extinction Was ILM's Biggest Data Project To Date (1586910)
Posted by Sub-Prime on June 30th, 2014 @ 2:35pm CDT
Bloodlust wrote:So I saw AOE this past Saturday, but being a good 31 year old student I needed to finish my homework before I could play on this thread :P

Let me say that I have viscously loved all the movies in the Live Action continuity, and by the way, I love G1 as well, hell I love ALL Transformers media (except Energon and Cybertron).

So let me just say this movie was exactly why I watch, giant space robots running around causing mayhem and destruction! =P~

Lockdown was just absolutely bad ass. Nothing to add, I mean what can you add, his FACE is the Swiss Army Knife of Transformers, your argument is invalid.

I feel for Ratchet, reminds of the scene in the Last of the Mohicans when the General gets his heart cut out and eaten, painful to the last moment.

The humans are a vast improvement over the previous series, of course maybe I am slightly immature for my age, but I found myself chuckling at quite a few parts.

The humor was appropriate and came at the right time. Personally, I would probably be a little crazy if I found out I was carrying the equivalent of a tactical nuclear missile on my back, and who hasn't been in the situation where a bunch of old ladies just won't get the F*** out of the way?

I loved the new team of bots, and I am a Decepticon lover through and through, but Hound took it for me. Fat Ballerina = spitting out my coke. I also enjoyed the conflict between the Autobots without Prime around, it really sold us on how important Prime really is to that faction.

I could care less about Bumblebee's regression, since I never liked him in the first place (braces for s***storm), but his reaction to the Stinger model was appropriate.

Now, I am sure I will catch a BUNCH of flak for this, but I love the new and more pissed off Prime. I'm sorry, but after all the crap he's been through, I don't blame him for saying f*** humanity. His reaction when seeing Ratchet killed and melted down was priceless and probably one of the most emotional scenes. I never thought I would hear the words "He will die" come out of his mouth and it made the hair on my neck stand up, which is what I have always wanted out of Prime. Not to mention that his motivational speech to the Dinobots was incredible. The Navy should use Prime as a motivational speaker.

Crosshairs, interesting to see a dickhead Autobot.

Drift, not bad would of liked to of seen some more sword wielding action.

Galvatron, can't wait to see what he's going to be like in the next few films.

Dinobots? Pure Awesome. Would it of been nice if they spoke? Sure but just seeing them tear down through Hong Kong was good enough for me.

Best line in the movie? "I was expecting a giant car."

Run time? Didn't care, was to absorbed in watching this.

Once again, just my .02 and nobody is going to change it for me. I was glad I got to see it in the theaters though. I would defintely see it again.


Your post mirrors my exact feelings on the movie!
Re: Age Of Extinction Was ILM's Biggest Data Project To Date (1586913)
Posted by Autobot tap out on June 30th, 2014 @ 2:41pm CDT
Bloodlust wrote:So I saw AOE this past Saturday, but being a good 31 year old student I needed to finish my homework before I could play on this thread :P

Let me say that I have viscously loved all the movies in the Live Action continuity, and by the way, I love G1 as well, hell I love ALL Transformers media (except Energon and Cybertron).

So let me just say this movie was exactly why I watch, giant space robots running around causing mayhem and destruction! =P~

Lockdown was just absolutely bad ass. Nothing to add, I mean what can you add, his FACE is the Swiss Army Knife of Transformers, your argument is invalid.

I feel for Ratchet, reminds of the scene in the Last of the Mohicans when the General gets his heart cut out and eaten, painful to the last moment.

The humans are a vast improvement over the previous series, of course maybe I am slightly immature for my age, but I found myself chuckling at quite a few parts.

The humor was appropriate and came at the right time. Personally, I would probably be a little crazy if I found out I was carrying the equivalent of a tactical nuclear missile on my back, and who hasn't been in the situation where a bunch of old ladies just won't get the F*** out of the way?

I loved the new team of bots, and I am a Decepticon lover through and through, but Hound took it for me. Fat Ballerina = spitting out my coke. I also enjoyed the conflict between the Autobots without Prime around, it really sold us on how important Prime really is to that faction.

I could care less about Bumblebee's regression, since I never liked him in the first place (braces for s***storm), but his reaction to the Stinger model was appropriate.

Now, I am sure I will catch a BUNCH of flak for this, but I love the new and more pissed off Prime. I'm sorry, but after all the crap he's been through, I don't blame him for saying f*** humanity. His reaction when seeing Ratchet killed and melted down was priceless and probably one of the most emotional scenes. I never thought I would hear the words "He will die" come out of his mouth and it made the hair on my neck stand up, which is what I have always wanted out of Prime. Not to mention that his motivational speech to the Dinobots was incredible. The Navy should use Prime as a motivational speaker.

Crosshairs, interesting to see a dickhead Autobot.

Drift, not bad would of liked to of seen some more sword wielding action.

Galvatron, can't wait to see what he's going to be like in the next few films.

Dinobots? Pure Awesome. Would it of been nice if they spoke? Sure but just seeing them tear down through Hong Kong was good enough for me.

Best line in the movie? "I was expecting a giant car."

Run time? Didn't care, was to absorbed in watching this.

Once again, just my .02 and nobody is going to change it for me. I was glad I got to see it in the theaters though. I would defintely see it again.


Read this ... liked it agreed with what you said exchange coca cola for Dr pepper

And I wish more of the cons had names besides junkheap Galvatron and stinger thank goodness they killed of a shelf warmer and his twin but why some of the cooler characters... >=(. though considering jazz & game exclusive create a bot died in the first movie. hate it when they kill if good characters.
Re: Age Of Extinction Was ILM's Biggest Data Project To Date (1586917)
Posted by ZeroWolf on June 30th, 2014 @ 2:48pm CDT
Wait, what do you mean create a bot character?
Re: Age Of Extinction Was ILM's Biggest Data Project To Date (1586924)
Posted by Burn on June 30th, 2014 @ 3:09pm CDT
Sub-Prime wrote:If another director steps in I hope it's a Transformers fan director. I hope it's not Nolan. A non fan director will be human bias in my opinion.


I disagree. I think a "fan" of the series would be far too biased and would create something that would appeal to a small demographic rather than the larger demographic which is what brings in all the money.
Re: Age Of Extinction Was ILM's Biggest Data Project To Date (1586928)
Posted by Sub-Prime on June 30th, 2014 @ 3:33pm CDT
Burn wrote:
Sub-Prime wrote:If another director steps in I hope it's a Transformers fan director. I hope it's not Nolan. A non fan director will be human bias in my opinion.


I disagree. I think a "fan" of the series would be far too biased and would create something that would appeal to a small demographic rather than the larger demographic which is what brings in all the money.


No I was saying that a director fan would be more bias towards the robots vs human. I prefer the robots get 60-70% of the running time dedicated to them and the humans 30-40%. That's why I love AOE because it comes the closes to what I consider perfect. It only needed more decepticon and dinobot dialogue and personality to be just that.
Re: Age Of Extinction Was ILM's Biggest Data Project To Date (1586929)
Posted by Chronos One on June 30th, 2014 @ 3:34pm CDT
The movie would've been much better if it had less human to human interaction. The Dinobots should've had more time to build up their characters and at the very least, spoke. The movie would've been better if prime was killed by Galvatron, shortly after killing lockdown. Also, maybe seeing the Quintessons somewhere in the movie woulda jazzed things up a bit. Where did Prime get the ability to fly without his trailer? Very long movie that could have been much better and shorter without all the human character building. Was hoping that the seed woulda been used by Galvatron shortly after killing Prime (or Prime being still alive, flys off as if abandoning Earth) and thus with the seed, turned a city into Trypticon. Then the Dinobots could go against Trypticon. Then in the next movie Prime, could of killed the quintessons and brought Fort Max and the headmasters to Earth (if he was not to be killed by Galvatron). I give it a C-.
Re: Age Of Extinction Was ILM's Biggest Data Project To Date (1586930)
Posted by Skywarp64 on June 30th, 2014 @ 3:41pm CDT
Sub-Prime wrote:In short you will never get a perfect Transformer film.


Then I guess it's a good thing we already have one, isn't it?

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Re: Age Of Extinction Was ILM's Biggest Data Project To Date (1586932)
Posted by Sub-Prime on June 30th, 2014 @ 3:42pm CDT
If only that could count as a live action film..lol
Re: Age Of Extinction Was ILM's Biggest Data Project To Date (1586934)
Posted by Mindmaster on June 30th, 2014 @ 3:43pm CDT
Skywarp64 wrote:
Sub-Prime wrote:In short you will never get a perfect Transformer film.


Then I guess it's a good thing we already have one, isn't it?

Image


To you, it may be perfect. As the saying goes, "Nothing is perfect." In fact, when this movie first debuted, it was one of the worst animated films out there (at least, that's what critics back then said).
Re: Age Of Extinction Was ILM's Biggest Data Project To Date (1586935)
Posted by Skywarp64 on June 30th, 2014 @ 3:46pm CDT
Mindmaster wrote:
Skywarp64 wrote:
Sub-Prime wrote:In short you will never get a perfect Transformer film.


Then I guess it's a good thing we already have one, isn't it?

Image


To you, it may be perfect. As the saying goes, "Nothing is perfect." In fact, when this movie first debuted, it was one of the worst animated films out there (at least, that's what critics back then said).


To hell with the critics.
Re: Age Of Extinction Was ILM's Biggest Data Project To Date (1586936)
Posted by Skywarp64 on June 30th, 2014 @ 3:48pm CDT
Mindmaster wrote:
Skywarp64 wrote:
Sub-Prime wrote:In short you will never get a perfect Transformer film.


Then I guess it's a good thing we already have one, isn't it?

Image


To you, it may be perfect. As the saying goes, "Nothing is perfect." In fact, when this movie first debuted, it was one of the worst animated films out there (at least, that's what critics back then said).


To hell with the critics.
Re: Age Of Extinction Was ILM's Biggest Data Project To Date (1586938)
Posted by SlyTF1 on June 30th, 2014 @ 3:50pm CDT
Skywarp64 wrote:
Sub-Prime wrote:In short you will never get a perfect Transformer film.


Then I guess it's a good thing we already have one, isn't it?

Image


That movie was nothing more than an excuse for Hasbro to kill off all the badass Transformers and replace them all with stupid ones, so they could make and sell new toys. It's far from perfect.
Re: Age Of Extinction Was ILM's Biggest Data Project To Date (1586945)
Posted by Burn on June 30th, 2014 @ 4:01pm CDT
Sub-Prime wrote:
Burn wrote:
Sub-Prime wrote:If another director steps in I hope it's a Transformers fan director. I hope it's not Nolan. A non fan director will be human bias in my opinion.


I disagree. I think a "fan" of the series would be far too biased and would create something that would appeal to a small demographic rather than the larger demographic which is what brings in all the money.


No I was saying that a director fan would be more bias towards the robots vs human. I prefer the robots get 60-70% of the running time dedicated to them and the humans 30-40%. That's why I love AOE because it comes the closes to what I consider perfect. It only needed more decepticon and dinobot dialogue and personality to be just that.


I stand by what I said. A "fan" director would create something that would appeal to the small demographic (fans) rather than the larger demographic (the general movie going public).

Chronos One wrote:Very long movie that could have been much better and shorter without all the human character building.


Actually it was needed to establish the new characters. Admittedly, we could have done without the boyfriend. He served one purpose and that was to add banter between boyfriend and girlfriends over-protective father.

Chronos One wrote:Was hoping that the seed woulda been used by Galvatron shortly after killing Prime (or Prime being still alive, flys off as if abandoning Earth) and thus with the seed, turned a city into Trypticon. Then the Dinobots could go against Trypticon. Then in the next movie Prime, could of killed the quintessons and brought Fort Max and the headmasters to Earth (if he was not to be killed by Galvatron). I give it a C-.


No offense but ... too much fan wank.
Re: Age Of Extinction Was ILM's Biggest Data Project To Date (1586946)
Posted by SFXPrime on June 30th, 2014 @ 4:03pm CDT
I don't get all the praise for the 80's animated movie, that movie was terrible to say the least. Seriously, Hot Rod, the chosen one, really? There is a reason why the G1 series quickly died not too long after that. I think the only good thing that came out of that movie was Unicron.
Re: Age Of Extinction Was ILM's Biggest Data Project To Date (1586948)
Posted by Skywarp64 on June 30th, 2014 @ 4:07pm CDT
SFXPrime wrote:I don't get all the praise for the 80's animated movie, that movie was terrible to say the least. Seriously, Hot Rod, the chosen one, really? There is a reason why the G1 series quickly died not too long after that. I think the only good thing that came out of that movie was Unicron.


I could be wrong about this, but I think it gets a lot more praise now than it used to because the Michael Bay films have made it brilliant by comparison.

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