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Bay Says "No Goofiness" in Transformers: Age of Extinction

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IGN caught up with director Michael Bay, and has posted a brief interview regarding his upcoming Transformers: Age of Extinction. Bay says seeing how excited fans were for Universal Studios Transformers: The Ride 3D is what brought him back to direct the forth live action movie. He goes on to say this film will not contain the "goofiness" found in the previous trilogy, and describes TF:AoE as "more cinematic". However, he follows that statement up by describing Mark Wahlberg's character as a "wacky inventor".

I wanted the first [three] Transformers to be very suburban and less cool," the director told Yahoo! Movies while talking about next year's fourth Transformers installment. "This is a much more cinematic one. I focused on keeping this one slick. There won't be any goofiness in this one. We went a bit too goofy [on the last one].


A bit of an odd statement since most fans consider Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen to be the least serious of the previous three films, with Transformers: Dark of the Moon [the last one] being far more ominous.
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Re: Bay Says "No Goofiness" in Transformers: Age of Extinction (1533623)
Posted by BeastProwl on December 6th, 2013 @ 12:19pm CST
Yay, no more dick joke.
Re: Bay Says "No Goofiness" in Transformers: Age of Extinction (1533624)
Posted by spiderbob007 on December 6th, 2013 @ 12:23pm CST
So it's not going to be a movie full of sidekicks and comic relief?

Honestly, the only reason I support these movies is that they eventually bring new (not movie line) toys.
Re: Bay Says "No Goofiness" in Transformers: Age of Extinction (1533628)
Posted by Megatron Wolf on December 6th, 2013 @ 12:44pm CST
guarantee its a lie, this is bay we're talking about after all
Re: Bay Says "No Goofiness" in Transformers: Age of Extinction (1533633)
Posted by dedcat on December 6th, 2013 @ 1:46pm CST
I absolutely believe this.

Unfortunately, Bay's idea of goofiness is well framed shots, rich character development and a cohesive story line.



:michaelbay:
Re: Bay Says "No Goofiness" in Transformers: Age of Extinction (1533634)
Posted by EunuchRon on December 6th, 2013 @ 1:47pm CST
Any time you see text in brackets, it's not a direct quote but implied and interpreted by the author. The [on the last one] was added by IGN; Those are not words from Bay himself. It's true there wasn't nearly as much silliness in the third film, though there was the stall-sharing scene and Wang's "chicken dinner" moment, plus Sam's parents were always just plain weird. I think a new cast gives a chance to fix that.

This does give me some hope for the Dinobots. During and after Transformers: The Movie, the Dinobots, especially Grimlock, went from being dangerous and lethal to being almost comic relief. They fixed this in a huge way in Fall of Cybertron. Playing as Grimlock is my favorite section. If silliness is out then perhaps the Dinobots will be utterly ruthless ass-kickers in the film. Hey, we can hope, right? 8)
Re: Bay Says "No Goofiness" in Transformers: Age of Extinction (1533637)
Posted by Convoy on December 6th, 2013 @ 2:24pm CST
My dream movie is an adaptation of the first three episodes of G1 "More than Meets the Eye." (and having nothing to do with Mike Bay, Alex or Roberto.) My dream trilogy would then probably include adaptations of The Ultimate Doom and Megatron's Master Plan. I'd have the next trilogy start with an adaptation of The Transformers: The Movie. Y'know, introduce Unicron, kill off Optimus, (at least don't bring him back from the dead in the same damn movie!) hand the reigns off to Magnus to have Hot Rod become the new Prime... you know the story. This all takes place in the 80's by the way. Like something that actually took place but nobody knew about because... disguises. At least up until the third film in the trilogy. Megatron's plan kind of reveals a lot to the population of Earth.


After all that? Beast Wars movies of course!
Re: Bay Says "No Goofiness" in Transformers: Age of Extinction (1533638)
Posted by RhA on December 6th, 2013 @ 2:40pm CST
'No more goofyness'.

I distinctly remember a giant robot riding a giant robot dinosaur.
Re: Bay Says "No Goofiness" in Transformers: Age of Extinction (1533643)
Posted by T-Macksimus on December 6th, 2013 @ 4:31pm CST
I hate having to check the bottom of my boots so often. Keeping thinking I stepped in something because I would swear I smell bull-s***. :P

Sorry but I'm just not buying into this. We got yanked around too much the first 3 times, why would we possibly believe that things are going to be drastically different.
The first 3 films, despite everyones varied opinions of them, raked in serious bank and put Bay into the billionaires club. NOBODY ever messes with a recipe that makes them serious cashola, even if half the people think the recipe tastes like crap.
This isn't like Lucas in the years of the original 3 Star Wars movies where he made them for the sake of telling his story and seeing his vision come to life (and HUGE success was just a pleasant side-effect). This is the 21st century and the ONLY driving force in Hollywood is greed, not art, not talent, not story.
Re: Bay Says "No Goofiness" in Transformers: Age of Extinction (1533645)
Posted by Blozor on December 6th, 2013 @ 4:34pm CST
Seriously? He has movies with Megatron, Starscream, Soundwave, The Fallen, Sentinel Prime, Shockwave, and he waits to introduce the Dinobots -- basically giant robot morons to promise no goofiness? Has he SEEN Transformers: The Movie from 1986?

Ah well, serious Dinobot barbarians are cool, too, which is basically what the Dinobots are. The main reason, I think, Shockwave is depicted as Grimlock's main nemesis, because if there was ever a Decepticon you could call a wizard, Shockwave would be it.

If Michael Bay could actually write situational humor that wasn't embarrassing to everybody watching it, I wouldn't mind a little goofiness. He should take cues from the likes of Joss Whedon or James Roberts or A Lee Matinez or Simon Pegg if he wants to add some humor to his scripts, not whatever junior high school he's apparently going to.
Re: Bay Says "No Goofiness" in Transformers: Age of Extinction (1533648)
Posted by Blozor on December 6th, 2013 @ 5:06pm CST
Seriously? He has movies with Megatron, Starscream, Soundwave, The Fallen, Sentinel Prime, Shockwave, and he waits to introduce the Dinobots -- basically giant robot morons to promise no goofiness? Has he SEEN Transformers: The Movie from 1986?

Ah well, serious Dinobot barbarians are cool, too, which is basically what the Dinobots are. The main reason, I think, Shockwave is depicted as Grimlock's main nemesis, because if there was ever a Decepticon you could call a wizard, Shockwave would be it.

If Michael Bay could actually write situational humor that wasn't embarrassing to everybody watching it, I wouldn't mind a little goofiness. He should take cues from the likes of Joss Whedon or James Roberts or A Lee Matinez or Simon Pegg if he wants to add some humor to his scripts, not whatever junior high school he's apparently going to.
Re: Bay Says "No Goofiness" in Transformers: Age of Extinction (1533650)
Posted by cruizerdave on December 6th, 2013 @ 5:31pm CST
The "goofiness" will be gone. However, the assaultive level of stupidity will remain.
Re: Bay Says "No Goofiness" in Transformers: Age of Extinction (1533657)
Posted by Mindmaster on December 6th, 2013 @ 6:06pm CST
What's that? No goofiness in Age of Extinction?

Image

We will see. >:oP
Re: Bay Says "No Goofiness" in Transformers: Age of Extinction (1533658)
Posted by datguy86 on December 6th, 2013 @ 6:11pm CST
cruizerdave wrote:The "goofiness" will be gone. However, the assaultive level of ignorance will remain.


Fixed that for you. I expect China to take a few hits below the nationality belt despite a good portion of the movie being set there.
Re: Bay Says "No Goofiness" in Transformers: Age of Extinction (1533663)
Posted by Ultra Markus on December 6th, 2013 @ 8:04pm CST
well in dotm prime getting hung up in the cables from the crane was pretty funny
so were the two little guys livin with sam
Re: Bay Says "No Goofiness" in Transformers: Age of Extinction (1533670)
Posted by Sabrblade on December 6th, 2013 @ 10:46pm CST
I'm not one to regularly defend the movies, but the following posts caught my eye:

Convoy wrote:My dream movie is an adaptation of the first three episodes of G1 "More than Meets the Eye." (and having nothing to do with Mike Bay, Alex or Roberto.) My dream trilogy would then probably include adaptations of The Ultimate Doom and Megatron's Master Plan. I'd have the next trilogy start with an adaptation of The Transformers: The Movie. Y'know, introduce Unicron, kill off Optimus, (at least don't bring him back from the dead in the same damn movie!) hand the reigns off to Magnus to have Hot Rod become the new Prime... you know the story. This all takes place in the 80's by the way.
If I wanted to watch the G1 cartoon, I would, you know, watch the G1 cartoon, instead of a slavish knock off of it that would essentially bring nothing new to the table. "But it's in live action!" So is Power Rangers, yet look how that show's films turned out by sticking so close to the TV series (and I LIKE Power Rangers). :roll:

Blozor wrote:Seriously? He has movies with Megatron, Starscream, Soundwave, The Fallen, Sentinel Prime, Shockwave, and he waits to introduce the Dinobots -- basically giant robot morons to promise no goofiness? Has he SEEN Transformers: The Movie from 1986?
You do realize that, in like 75% of G1 fiction, the Dinobots are intelligent, right? Grimlock was even the LEADER of the Autobots (twice!) after Optimus died (twice!). The big dumb oaf from the cartoon is far from Grimlock's only persona.
Re: Bay Says "No Goofiness" in Transformers: Age of Extinction (1533674)
Posted by Nemesis Maximo on December 6th, 2013 @ 11:33pm CST
RhA wrote:'No more goofyness'.

I distinctly remember a giant robot riding a giant robot dinosaur.

Yes. There is absolutely nothing goofy about that. That is a totally serious plot point, and a convenient way to shoehorn Dino-riders into this whole shebang. The Autobots should ride the Dinobots more often.
Re: Bay Says "No Goofiness" in Transformers: Age of Extinction (1533685)
Posted by Blozor on December 7th, 2013 @ 7:46am CST
Sabrblade wrote:I'm not one to regularly defend the movies, but the following posts caught my eye:

Blozor wrote:Seriously? He has movies with Megatron, Starscream, Soundwave, The Fallen, Sentinel Prime, Shockwave, and he waits to introduce the Dinobots -- basically giant robot morons to promise no goofiness? Has he SEEN Transformers: The Movie from 1986?
You do realize that, in like 75% of G1 fiction, the Dinobots are intelligent, right? Grimlock was even the LEADER of the Autobots (twice!) after Optimus died (twice!). The big dumb oaf from the cartoon is far from Grimlock's only persona.


Apparently my second paragrah failed to hold your attention.
Re: Bay Says "No Goofiness" in Transformers: Age of Extinction (1533695)
Posted by SlyTF1 on December 7th, 2013 @ 10:17am CST
Blozor wrote:Seriously? He has movies with Megatron, Starscream, Soundwave, The Fallen, Sentinel Prime, Shockwave, and he waits to introduce the Dinobots -- basically giant robot morons to promise no goofiness? Has he SEEN Transformers: The Movie from 1986?

Ah well, serious Dinobot barbarians are cool, too, which is basically what the Dinobots are. The main reason, I think, Shockwave is depicted as Grimlock's main nemesis, because if there was ever a Decepticon you could call a wizard, Shockwave would be it.

If Michael Bay could actually write situational humor that wasn't embarrassing to everybody watching it, I wouldn't mind a little goofiness. He should take cues from the likes of Joss Whedon or James Roberts or A Lee Matinez or Simon Pegg if he wants to add some humor to his scripts, not whatever junior high school he's apparently going to.


I'm not embarrassed by the humor when I watch it. I like most of it because it is just so weird and out of place. But I would prefer the movies to be super serious, though.
Re: Bay Says "No Goofiness" in Transformers: Age of Extinction (1533705)
Posted by Muscle Man on December 7th, 2013 @ 11:35am CST
I refuse to believe this film will not include a dog humping a mailbox or testicles on robots. I refuse, bro's.
Re: Bay Says "No Goofiness" in Transformers: Age of Extinction (1533706)
Posted by 5150 Cruiser on December 7th, 2013 @ 11:49am CST
EunuchRon wrote:Any time you see text in brackets, it's not a direct quote but implied and interpreted by the author. The [on the last one] was added by IGN; Those are not words from Bay himself.


Agreed. It seems the author just added in his own thoughts and are trying to pass it off as being said by Bay for the sake of discussion. So I'm not sure just how much merit I'd give this interview.

If i take anything from this interview, its that the over the top "goofiness" (such as the devastator testicles, S7 under ware, etc.) will be absent. This isn't "Aliens", its Transformers. Some sort of humor is bound to make its way in. And quite frankly it should.
Re: Bay Says "No Goofiness" in Transformers: Age of Extinction (1533710)
Posted by ishigoto on December 7th, 2013 @ 12:36pm CST
Hey, you guys remember when he said THE EXACT SAME FRICKING THING ABOUT DARK OF THE MOON?! And yet I'm still going to see it because I can't resist a good 3D explosion fest...*sigh*
Re: Bay Says "No Goofiness" in Transformers: Age of Extinction (1533714)
Posted by OptimusPrime273 on December 7th, 2013 @ 12:49pm CST
:CON: Of course there's going to be some goofyness....its been like that since movie 1, now were stepping into 4 and the masses haven't realized that this is director Bays style? I'm facepalming at the fact that I can never come onto these pages and be able to DISCUSS anything like a fan.....why? Because everyone has a short fuse and can't seem to respect an opinion or news that has the smallest percentage of difference from what they think. I love the movies, but I can't come onto a single film thread w/o bitching and more bitching....anddddd more bitching...about a movie like spoiled kid brats. The sad thing is the majority are grown adults. Complain complain complain about how much one doesn't something... then go and see it in theaters anyway when u supposedly know its gonna suck and call Michael Bay an idiot. Now tell me, whos the idiot again?..... :CON:
Re: Bay Says "No Goofiness" in Transformers: Age of Extinction (1533716)
Posted by Sabrblade on December 7th, 2013 @ 1:11pm CST
*sigh*

Well, it looks like this video might put a different spin on things:

Re: Bay Says "No Goofiness" in Transformers: Age of Extinction (1533729)
Posted by 5150 Cruiser on December 7th, 2013 @ 1:59pm CST
Taken from Micheal Bay's web site..

It is a drag talking to reporters on sets. Why? Because often times they take your words and skew things to their liking. Then the crazy, lazy game of reporting on what other writers story’s reported me saying and suddenly it becomes skewed Internet truth. So I waste my time to restate exactly what I did say, again.


No I did not ‘apologize’ for any Transformers movies. I did not say I shot the last three movies “less cool” than the new fourth installment. I was talking specifically about camera style and tone, of the first movie compared to how I shot the new installment with a very big scale, cinematic style. I was very specific in saying the first Transformers was shot in a ‘generic suburbia’ area, not trying to be cool with any cinematic flashes. I wanted it to feel like this could happen in any backyard in the United States.


So that brings me to letting Transformers fans know that we have completed our five and half month shoot. We got back from a month long shoot in China. My crew and I had a fantastic time shooting in Hong Kong and Mainland China. It was an amazing experience, and I love the country. My cast was absolutely fantastic, and a very fun group to work with. We are working hard cutting the movie right now. I think the first piece comes out for the Super Bowl and a teaser right after that.


And yes, I’m very excited about this new movie.


Source...http://www.shootfortheedit.com/forum/sh ... ers-Movies

Respect to Micheal Bay for taking the time to correct what was really said. Just goes to show you can't always go on a reporters word.
Re: Bay Says "No Goofiness" in Transformers: Age of Extinction (1533747)
Posted by Blozor on December 7th, 2013 @ 4:02pm CST
Muscle Man wrote:I refuse to believe this film will not include a dog humping a mailbox or testicles on robots. I refuse, bro's.


Don't be absurd. It won't have a dog humping a mailbox. That's not what this movie is about. It'll have a Dinobot humping a Volkswagon.
Re: Bay Says "No Goofiness" in Transformers: Age of Extinction (1533817)
Posted by TurboMMaster on December 8th, 2013 @ 4:13am CST
IMO Impossible, it is hard to create any mobie about Bayformers Optimus that isn't a bad comedy. He's appearance is the worst kind of goofiness at all!!!!
Re: Bay Says "No Goofiness" in Transformers: Age of Extinction (1533819)
Posted by njb902 on December 8th, 2013 @ 4:19am CST
TurboMMaster wrote:IMO Impossible, it is hard to create any mobie about Bayformers Optimus that isn't a bad comedy. He's appearance is the worst kind of goofiness at all!!!!


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Re: Bay Says "No Goofiness" in Transformers: Age of Extinction (1533879)
Posted by DeadCaL on December 8th, 2013 @ 2:57pm CST
I'll believe this quote as much as one saying "The new movie will have slightly less explosions and no bad acting" :lol:
Re: Bay Says "No Goofiness" in Transformers: Age of Extinction (1533922)
Posted by SKYWARPED_128 on December 8th, 2013 @ 7:52pm CST
Regardless of what Bay said or didn't say, I really think AOE will be at least as serious in tone as DOTM. Meaning, there will still be a couple of ass-clown characters like Jerry and Brazos, but overall the other characters will act like normal people...or generic Hollywood action movie characters. It'll also be more "TF'ish" in tone and actually tell a story with the TF's at the center stage instead of just obligatory eye candy as we've seen in ROTF.

Besides, we also have Wahlberg as the new lead actor instead of Shia. While he may be cast as a "wacky inventor", at least we won't be seeing any more neurotic teens running around, screaming, "Nononono-nooooo!!!!"
Re: Bay Says "No Goofiness" in Transformers: Age of Extinction (1533923)
Posted by Sabrblade on December 8th, 2013 @ 8:16pm CST
SKYWARPED_128 wrote:Regardless of what Bay said or didn't say, I really think AOE will be at least as serious in tone as DOTM. Meaning, there will still be a couple of ass-clown characters like Jerry and Brazos, but overall the other characters will act like normal people...or generic Hollywood action movie characters. It'll also be more "TF'ish" in tone and actually tell a story with the TF's at the center stage instead of just obligatory eye candy as we've seen in ROTF.
By this point, I think any TF taking center stange over any of the lead human actors is a pipe dream. This will undoubtedly "The Wahlberg/Peltz/Reynor Movie featuring the Tranformers" just like how the first three were "The Adventures of Sam Witwicky featuring the Transformers". :P

SKYWARPED_128 wrote:Besides, we also have Wahlberg as the new lead actor instead of Shia. While he may be cast as a "wacky inventor", at least we won't be seeing any more neurotic teens running around, screaming, "Nononono-nooooo!!!!"
Nicola Peltz and Jack Reynor are the lead teenage roles. ;)
Re: Bay Says "No Goofiness" in Transformers: Age of Extinction (1533926)
Posted by SlyTF1 on December 8th, 2013 @ 8:34pm CST
SKYWARPED_128 wrote:Regardless of what Bay said or didn't say, I really think AOE will be at least as serious in tone as DOTM. Meaning, there will still be a couple of ass-clown characters like Jerry and Brazos, but overall the other characters will act like normal people...or generic Hollywood action movie characters. It'll also be more "TF'ish" in tone and actually tell a story with the TF's at the center stage instead of just obligatory eye candy as we've seen in ROTF.

Besides, we also have Wahlberg as the new lead actor instead of Shia. While he may be cast as a "wacky inventor", at least we won't be seeing any more neurotic teens running around, screaming, "Nononono-nooooo!!!!"


Sam hadn't said "nonono" since that one time in ROTF after he had that freakout in the class room.
Re: Bay Says "No Goofiness" in Transformers: Age of Extinction (1533929)
Posted by SKYWARPED_128 on December 8th, 2013 @ 8:55pm CST
Sabrblade wrote:By this point, I think any TF taking center stange over any of the lead human actors is a pipe dream. This will undoubtedly "The Wahlberg/Peltz/Reynor Movie featuring the Tranformers" just like how the first three were "The Adventures of Sam Witwicky featuring the Transformers". :P


LOL! Point taken!

While I'm not stupid enough to expect TF Prime: The Live Action Movie, at least DOTM gave us a story that centers more around the TF's than both of the earlier 2 movies combined. DOTM had Sam trying to get back into what's happening instead of him getting caught in the middle of it. Plot-wise it makes a huge difference as it's now the TF's decisions and actions that move the plot forward instead of Sam's.

Sure, Sam still plays a significant role, but noticeably less than in the previous movies.

All in all, I'm just hoping to see AOE maintain the new status quo set up by DOTM.

Sabrblade wrote:Nicola Peltz and Jack Reynor are the lead teenage roles. ;)


Hopefully not the neurotic kind with a penchant for shouting their lungs off! :lol:
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Posted by SKYWARPED_128 on December 8th, 2013 @ 9:15pm CST
SlyTF1 wrote:
SKYWARPED_128 wrote:Regardless of what Bay said or didn't say, I really think AOE will be at least as serious in tone as DOTM. Meaning, there will still be a couple of ass-clown characters like Jerry and Brazos, but overall the other characters will act like normal people...or generic Hollywood action movie characters. It'll also be more "TF'ish" in tone and actually tell a story with the TF's at the center stage instead of just obligatory eye candy as we've seen in ROTF.

Besides, we also have Wahlberg as the new lead actor instead of Shia. While he may be cast as a "wacky inventor", at least we won't be seeing any more neurotic teens running around, screaming, "Nononono-nooooo!!!!"


Sam hadn't said "nonono" since that one time in ROTF after he had that freakout in the class room.


You're forgetting the scene in the first movie when OP stepped on the fountain in his garden.

Either way, I don't like how he runs around screaming his head off. It's a matter of personal tastes, period.

And yes, I realize that's how people might act when they're in a panicky situation; I just don't like how he does it on screen. I repeat: a matter of personal tastes.
Re: Bay Says "No Goofiness" in Transformers: Age of Extinction (1533937)
Posted by SlyTF1 on December 8th, 2013 @ 9:50pm CST
SKYWARPED_128 wrote:
SlyTF1 wrote:
SKYWARPED_128 wrote:Regardless of what Bay said or didn't say, I really think AOE will be at least as serious in tone as DOTM. Meaning, there will still be a couple of ass-clown characters like Jerry and Brazos, but overall the other characters will act like normal people...or generic Hollywood action movie characters. It'll also be more "TF'ish" in tone and actually tell a story with the TF's at the center stage instead of just obligatory eye candy as we've seen in ROTF.

Besides, we also have Wahlberg as the new lead actor instead of Shia. While he may be cast as a "wacky inventor", at least we won't be seeing any more neurotic teens running around, screaming, "Nononono-nooooo!!!!"


Sam hadn't said "nonono" since that one time in ROTF after he had that freakout in the class room.


You're forgetting the scene in the first movie when OP stepped on the fountain in his garden.

Either way, I don't like how he runs around screaming his head off. It's a matter of personal tastes, period.

And yes, I realize that's how people might act when they're in a panicky situation; I just don't like how he does it on screen. I repeat: a matter of personal tastes.


I meant since the first movie. He said it a lot there, just once in ROTF, and not at all in DOTM. He did, however say, "No, no."
Re: Bay Says "No Goofiness" in Transformers: Age of Extinction (1533939)
Posted by SKYWARPED_128 on December 8th, 2013 @ 10:13pm CST
SlyTF1 wrote:
SKYWARPED_128 wrote:
SlyTF1 wrote:
SKYWARPED_128 wrote:Regardless of what Bay said or didn't say, I really think AOE will be at least as serious in tone as DOTM. Meaning, there will still be a couple of ass-clown characters like Jerry and Brazos, but overall the other characters will act like normal people...or generic Hollywood action movie characters. It'll also be more "TF'ish" in tone and actually tell a story with the TF's at the center stage instead of just obligatory eye candy as we've seen in ROTF.

Besides, we also have Wahlberg as the new lead actor instead of Shia. While he may be cast as a "wacky inventor", at least we won't be seeing any more neurotic teens running around, screaming, "Nononono-nooooo!!!!"


Sam hadn't said "nonono" since that one time in ROTF after he had that freakout in the class room.


You're forgetting the scene in the first movie when OP stepped on the fountain in his garden.

Either way, I don't like how he runs around screaming his head off. It's a matter of personal tastes, period.

And yes, I realize that's how people might act when they're in a panicky situation; I just don't like how he does it on screen. I repeat: a matter of personal tastes.


I meant since the first movie. He said it a lot there, just once in ROTF, and not at all in DOTM. He did, however say, "No, no."


True, though sadly, "Nononono!" was replaced by, "Waaaahhh! Waaaahhhhhh!" when his car got stopped by a metal barrier as he tried to force his way into the Health and Services department. I know he was trying to be funny, and it should have worked, but somehow it just came across as annoying to me.

Well, either way he's not in AoE, and I'm cautiously optimistic that Wahlberg won't end up being Shia 2.0. Curious how his "wacky scientist" character will turn out.
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Posted by datguy86 on December 8th, 2013 @ 11:51pm CST
If it's anything like the first three movies, then it will be the Armed Forces as the lead characters, the humans second in line, and the Transformers dead last. One of the things which makes the movies really not that enjoyable is the large amount of military masturbation Bay places in the films. If this was GI Joe - fantastic! But really, I paid to see giant robots fighting and being interesting and most times the movies barely deliver.

Quite frankly, less goofiness equals more military waxing. Yay.
Re: Bay Says "No Goofiness" in Transformers: Age of Extinction (1533964)
Posted by SKYWARPED_128 on December 9th, 2013 @ 1:46am CST
datguy86 wrote:If it's anything like the first three movies, then it will be the Armed Forces as the lead characters, the humans second in line, and the Transformers dead last. One of the things which makes the movies really not that enjoyable is the large amount of military masturbation Bay places in the films. If this was GI Joe - fantastic! But really, I paid to see giant robots fighting and being interesting and most times the movies barely deliver.

Quite frankly, less goofiness equals more military waxing. Yay.


No real way around that, unless Bay decides to stop asking for military cooperation.

In exchange for making the military look good in the movies, the army lent him full logistics support and manpower, as in giving him actual soldiers to use as extras, as well as tanks, etc. The air force allowed him to film actual F-22 Raptors in TF1, as well as an actual AC-130U "Spooky" bomber plane in action during the Scorponok scene.

One other catch was that there's a military guy on set to make sure the military was portrayed accurately and positively.

That scene in ROTF, where they parachuted the government agent out of the plane was almost removed, until the military guys decided it was just too ridiculous to be taken seriously.

It's all in the commentary in the DVD of the first movie, as well as the bonus DVD of the limited edition ROTF set.
Re: Bay Says "No Goofiness" in Transformers: Age of Extinction (1534026)
Posted by Tronus_Rex on December 9th, 2013 @ 12:31pm CST
Less badly written, modern, Hollywood humor is fine, but it's far more important that Bay focus far more screen time on the Transformer robot characters, instead on the humans.

Transformers need to be the focus, have far more time for character development, interaction, & actual story telling.

I know this could be less Bay's taste & more a money issue, HOWEVER, there are techniques that involve rendering these CG animations in far less time. Less movement, more sitting down and being more still, looking at the back of a robot while he talks.

Bay is too focused on wild, camera crazy, scenes. Less is MORE.

I know because I've actually worked with this medium, [film]. If I wasn't more concerned about privacy, I could give you my name and you could easily look me up, :lol: .

[ I'm no giant, but given enough time ;) ].
Re: Bay Says "No Goofiness" in Transformers: Age of Extinction (1534049)
Posted by MINDVVIPE on December 9th, 2013 @ 2:28pm CST
A lot of posters here agree that more TFs on screen is what we all want. Some might argue that DOTM was a step in this direction, but I would like to add another dimension to this. More robot screen time is great, for sure. But I also wanted to see some real threat from the Decepticons. Just one example: Soundwave being taken out by Bumblebee. Imagine Prime soundwave fighting BB. I somehow doubt BB could have won, and I definitely doubt BB could have single handedly killed Soundwave. It really defeats the build up of any villain, especially one that we know to be quite strong and essentially one of Megatron's closest soldiers, to be ousted by an autobot scout (unless written to show he really spent the time planning and strategizing an attack). The fight between a wrecker and Soundwave would have been much more palatable.

Anyway, point is this. Make the villains less 'show' and more 'threat', and I don't mean 'taking hostages' threat. I mean, laying a trail of death in their wake threat.
I fear I yet again desire too much from a mainstream movie.
Re: Bay Says "No Goofiness" in Transformers: Age of Extinction (1534078)
Posted by SKYWARPED_128 on December 9th, 2013 @ 6:24pm CST
MINDVVIPE wrote:A lot of posters here agree that more TFs on screen is what we all want. Some might argue that DOTM was a step in this direction, but I would like to add another dimension to this. More robot screen time is great, for sure. But I also wanted to see some real threat from the Decepticons. Just one example: Soundwave being taken out by Bumblebee. Imagine Prime soundwave fighting BB. I somehow doubt BB could have won, and I definitely doubt BB could have single handedly killed Soundwave. It really defeats the build up of any villain, especially one that we know to be quite strong and essentially one of Megatron's closest soldiers, to be ousted by an autobot scout (unless written to show he really spent the time planning and strategizing an attack). The fight between a wrecker and Soundwave would have been much more palatable.

Anyway, point is this. Make the villains less 'show' and more 'threat', and I don't mean 'taking hostages' threat. I mean, laying a trail of death in their wake threat.
I fear I yet again desire too much from a mainstream movie.


I totally agree. If there's one things that's been somewhat missing from the movies, it's the feeling that the Decepticons are an actual threat to the Autobots and mankind.

Here's my theory.

It partly stems from Bay's deal with the armed forces. Since he has to portray them in a positive light, obviously he can't show them getting killed en masse by Decepticons. And they can't kill off too many Autobots because some are needed for sequels, and it'd be too expensive to create and render entirely new ones.

So, it's the Decepticons who end up getting slaughtered--the bad guys need to die in order to wrap up the movie.

In the end, it makes the Cons look like a bunch of amateurs who always get their ass handed to them by a small team of humans and Autobots. And it's always the bomb raids that get them.

If it's one thing I hate, its the bomb raids and missile strikes. It's literally the Deus ex Machina for every single TF movie thus far.

If the Cons have half a processor-cluster between them, they'd infiltrate each and every one of these human bases in various alt modes like they did in the first movie. And when the time is right, reveal themselves and destroy the bases, leaving the humans with nothing to strike them with.

No, wait, then it would make the military look bad.... :BANG_HEAD:
Re: Bay Says "No Goofiness" in Transformers: Age of Extinction (1534079)
Posted by Rodimus Prime on December 9th, 2013 @ 6:33pm CST
MINDVVIPE wrote:A lot of posters here agree that more TFs on screen is what we all want. Some might argue that DOTM was a step in this direction


It was.

Anyway, point is this. Make the villains less 'show' and more 'threat', and I don't mean 'taking hostages' threat. I mean, laying a trail of death in their wake threat.


I agree. The way Megatron, Shockwave and Starscream were handled and killed in the 1st trilogy is just disgraceful. Megatron had his moments, but in the end he was dispatched without much build-up in DoTM. I didn't expect much from him considering his condition, but then Bay dangled a carrot by having Megatron just totally demolish Sentinel after Sentinel pretty much bitch-slapped Optimus. Then Optimus comes back, one-armed, and dispatches Megatron like it was nothing. And Shockwave? If there was a showdown to be had, it should have been Prime vs. Shockwave on that street. Instead what do we get? 1 of the most ruthless and fearsome Decepticons gets disabled by some humans, who, if any of this was real, would have been squashed like bugs in an instant, and then Prime just hits him and rips his eye out and that's it. Ugh. I never cared for Starscream, but once again, getting killed by 2 humans? Please. He should have died at the hands of Ironhide. That was another opportunity for a great showdown that was missed. As for Soundwave, I thought it wasn't as bad as the others, though the fight could have lasted longer. Bumblebee in Bayverse isn't some punk-ass scout, he's actually a pretty good fighter.
Re: Bay Says "No Goofiness" in Transformers: Age of Extinction (1534086)
Posted by SKYWARPED_128 on December 9th, 2013 @ 7:07pm CST
Rodimus Prime wrote:The way Megatron, Shockwave and Starscream were handled and killed in the 1st trilogy is just disgraceful. Megatron had his moments, but in the end he was dispatched without much build-up in DoTM. I didn't expect much from him considering his condition, but then Bay dangled a carrot by having Megatron just totally demolish Sentinel after Sentinel pretty much bitch-slapped Optimus. Then Optimus comes back, one-armed, and dispatches Megatron like it was nothing. And Shockwave? If there was a showdown to be had, it should have been Prime vs. Shockwave on that street. Instead what do we get? 1 of the most ruthless and fearsome Decepticons gets disabled by some humans, who, if any of this was real, would have been squashed like bugs in an instant, and then Prime just hits him and rips his eye out and that's it. Ugh. I never cared for Starscream, but once again, getting killed by 2 humans? Please. He should have died at the hands of Ironhide. That was another opportunity for a great showdown that was missed. As for Soundwave, I thought it wasn't as bad as the others, though the fight could have lasted longer. Bumblebee in Bayverse isn't some punk-ass scout, he's actually a pretty good fighter.


All true, particularly regarding Megatron.

Such an undignified way to go for an iconic character. I would have preferred an honorable hand to hand fight between two battle-worn warriors, ending with Megatron purposely letting OP lop his head off, because he has nothing to live for, what with Cybertron destroyed, and his army in tatters. I see Megatron as a complete egoist and narcissist, and he'd probably strive for such an end.

Cybertron was his raison d`etre; without it, he'd have no purpose in life as a patriot. It just feels out of character for him to be begging for a truce...which, honestly, OP wouldn't have possibly agreed to anyway, given his past deeds.

It might be too dramatic for some, but I personally like it that way.

The thing that bothers me about Shockwave is that he has this uber-huge Super Arm Cannon of Doom and it doesn't seem to be nearly as powerful as it looks. Apparently, it just fires these puny rockets that do very little damage. All it did was knock OP back, and he only got taken out of the action temporarily from getting tangled by some wires. And when OP used it to blast the pillar from the cupola, it simply destroyed the cupola, but left the pillar very much intact and undamaged.
Re: Bay Says "No Goofiness" in Transformers: Age of Extinction (1534138)
Posted by Evil_the_Nub on December 9th, 2013 @ 11:23pm CST
OptimusPrime273 wrote::CON: Of course there's going to be some goofyness....its been like that since movie 1, now were stepping into 4 and the masses haven't realized that this is director Bays style? I'm facepalming at the fact that I can never come onto these pages and be able to DISCUSS anything like a fan.....why? Because everyone has a short fuse and can't seem to respect an opinion or news that has the smallest percentage of difference from what they think. I love the movies, but I can't come onto a single film thread w/o bitching and more bitching....anddddd more bitching...about a movie like spoiled kid brats. The sad thing is the majority are grown adults. Complain complain complain about how much one doesn't something... then go and see it in theaters anyway when u supposedly know its gonna suck and call Michael Bay an idiot. Now tell me, whos the idiot again?..... :CON:

It's been getting on my nerves for a while too. Every time there's a new post about the movies these guy crawl out from under their bridges to shove their knee-jerk, uninformed, hate filled opinions down our throats. Like you said there's not really a discussion going on, just more of the same shit they've said every day for the last 6 years.
Re: Bay Says "No Goofiness" in Transformers: Age of Extinction (1534146)
Posted by MINDVVIPE on December 10th, 2013 @ 12:16am CST
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Seriously, no one is stopping you from saying what you like about the movies. I'll go first. Movies = more money for generations figures. This thread has no flaming so far, I don't see the reason for any hostility just because the majority of posters are voicing their opinions that happen not to agree with your own.
Re: Bay Says "No Goofiness" in Transformers: Age of Extinction (1534651)
Posted by Evil_the_Nub on December 11th, 2013 @ 10:26pm CST
MINDVVIPE wrote:Image
Seriously, no one is stopping you from saying what you like about the movies. I'll go first. Movies = more money for generations figures. This thread has no flaming so far, I don't see the reason for any hostility just because the majority of posters are voicing their opinions that happen not to agree with your own.

At this point everyone should know what to expect from the movies. The time to express your opinion has passed. You didn't like the last 3 thats's fine. You've already said that 6 years ago, and 4 years ago, and 2 years ago. Can you at least wait till the movie comes out before you assault us with more of your tired old complaining? Now every time I come to the movie forum I feel like I'm stuck in a car with a whiny kid. It's a constant barrage of the same complaint over and over and over and over and over and over and over again. Everyone has their right to an opinion, but shouldn't we also have the right to not have the same damn bitchfest shoved down our throats every day.
Re: Bay Says "No Goofiness" in Transformers: Age of Extinction (1534653)
Posted by SlyTF1 on December 11th, 2013 @ 10:39pm CST
Evil_the_Nub wrote:
MINDVVIPE wrote:Image
Seriously, no one is stopping you from saying what you like about the movies. I'll go first. Movies = more money for generations figures. This thread has no flaming so far, I don't see the reason for any hostility just because the majority of posters are voicing their opinions that happen not to agree with your own.

At this point everyone should know what to expect from the movies. The time to express your opinion has passed. You didn't like the last 3 thats's fine. You've already said that 6 years ago, and 4 years ago, and 2 years ago. Can you at least wait till the movie comes out before you assault us with more of your tired old complaining? Now every time I come to the movie forum I feel like I'm stuck in a car with a whiny kid. It's a constant barrage of the same complaint over and over and over and over and over and over and over again. Everyone has their right to an opinion, but shouldn't we also have the right to not have the same damn bitchfest shoved down our throats every day.


This is basically how I feel. But I just ignore most of it, because I know if I say what I want to say, I'll end up getting myself banned.
Re: Bay Says "No Goofiness" in Transformers: Age of Extinction (1534662)
Posted by MINDVVIPE on December 11th, 2013 @ 11:35pm CST
I got some good advice from a moderator here once, a mod named Burn. He said if you don't really like reading it, don't. Pretty simple. No one is forcing you to read each post in these threads.

Couple things. First off, we have nothing to judge this movie on but the last 3, so obviously we're going to make assumptions based on that like any normal human being.
Second, we're not even tearing into that bad, i've seen threads WAY worse, so you getting all mad just seems pointless especially when, last point here, you still haven't really shared any of your own opinions about the movie after all this time to add to the "discussion" you say is missing here.

We are discussing the movies, what we didn't like, what we would like to see. What are we supposed to say? OHMYGODOHMYGOD I CAN'T WAIT ITS GONNA BE AMAZING WATCHING A LOVE STORY WITH CGI IN THE BACKGROUND ZOMG MINDBLOWN. >:oP The thread is about no goofiness, many posters are even cracking jokes about dinobots being goofy from the get go, and that riding a dino is goofy (even though I think thats cool). No one is as agro as you haters of "haters".
Re: Bay Says "No Goofiness" in Transformers: Age of Extinction (1534686)
Posted by Burn on December 12th, 2013 @ 1:21am CST
MINDVVIPE wrote:I got some good advice from a moderator here once, a mod named Burn. He said if you don't really like reading it, don't. Pretty simple. No one is forcing you to read each post in these threads.


I still have to read it though. :-(
Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go crawl off into my lounge chair, watch Arrow, and die slowly from gout related pain. If people feel the need to start a flamewar, don't call me!
Re: Bay Says "No Goofiness" in Transformers: Age of Extinction (1534697)
Posted by TurboMMaster on December 12th, 2013 @ 3:32am CST
Actually I belive that first movie was quite decent. It's RotF and DotM are the movies that ruined franchise. And I don't belive that Bay can create good Transformers Movie on he's own. Everything was good as long as Bay's hands were tied. And this is why AoE can't be a good movie: It is simply too much "up to Bay." If plot is interesting, Bay is gonna ruined it, if CGI is impresive, Bay is gonna add balls etc. DotM ending is enough to consider Bay as one of the worst directors in history.
Re: Bay Says "No Goofiness" in Transformers: Age of Extinction (1534702)
Posted by Burn on December 12th, 2013 @ 4:43am CST
One thing I've never understood about all the hatred for the movies is why EVERYTHING is always Bay's fault.

Why do people completely overlook the two-bit hacks that are Orci and Kurtzman? They're the ones that gave he story to Bay to begin with. They're the ones that most likely came up with the stereotype robots, the bad jokes, the teenage love stories.

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