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BotCon 2009: Hasbro Review and Q&A panel

Transformers News: BotCon 2009: Hasbro Review and Q&A panel

Saturday, May 30th, 2009 5:47PM CDT

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As usual, Hasbro was in attendance at the convention. They had a variety of new upcoming products to show us this year including some incredible figures that you probably didn't think we'd ever see. Here's a list of what they showed us which is followed up by First Gen's notes from the Q&A ...

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RETAILER EXCLUSIVES
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TARGET EXCLUSIVES
6" Titaniums - Optimus Prime, Thrust and Hot Zone
ROTF Voyager Fallen on fire

TRU EXCLUSIVES
Commemorative Insecticons
Commemorative Perceptor
ROTF Battle Pack - blue G1 deco Soundwave with Movie 1 Voyager Megatron

WALMART EXCLUSIVE
Masterpiece Skywarp, more faithful paint scheme to G1 toy


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TRANSFORMERS ANIMATED
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(Hasbro stated these products WILL find a way to retail!
Electrostatic Soundwave w/ Ratbat
Arcee
Rodimus Minor
Cybertronian Ratchet
Cybertronian mode Ironhide (different mold)
Fugitive Waspinator (Bumblebee in Wasp's colors not a remold)
Goldfire Grimlock
Hydrodive Bumblebee - Bumblebee will be more in scale with other Autobots without Scuba gear)
Voyager Blackout (has Earth helicopter mode)
Wingblade Optimus Prime (Deluxe scale Optimus with trailer that becomes wings and such from last episode of TFA)
Thundercracker (Starscream repaint but no one will complain about that)


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2010 SNEAK PEAK (SPRING)
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ROTF LEGENDS
Wheelie
Soundwave

ROTF SCOUTS
Brakedown (homage to G1 Brakedown)
Skystalker (new futuristic drone jet mold)
Scattorshot (military truck w/ plow - offscreen character with pistols)

ROTF DELUXE
Lockdown (TFA character as a ROTF styled figure - looks awesome)
Ratchet (comes w/ MP Blaster)
Dirge (complete with conehead, actually looks really cool, huge missiles under wings)

ROTF VOYAGER CLASS
Jungle Attack Ironhide (redeco w/ new bumper that transforms into crossbow and huge guns, gattling gun, knives, sniper rifle)
Bludgeon (G1 style - holy shit is this awesome, tank, complete w/ samarai swords which come out of gun turrett, skull face, has samarai garb)

ROTF HUMAN ALLIANCE
Barricade w/ Frenzy (stores in front of vehicle or chest has some guns as well - very cool!)

UNIVERSE IN 2010
New version of series will continue in fall 2010



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HASBRO PANEL Q&A SESSION
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Will Universe 2.0 continue?
Through spring 2010 we’re focusing on ROTF figures which you’ll see are universe inspired and in the Fall you will see what you know as Classics Universe begin again?


Will we be getting the IDW Publishing character Drift?
Drift? You may want to come back to tomorrows panel for that answer.


What is your stance on the decision to end Transformers Animated?
As many of you know, Hasbro signed into a joint venture with Discovery Communications and give that its so new we really can’t get into the details, but with the new network we will be bringing some new things which will feature G1 references and content.


In the first break between the Transformers movie and TF Animated we saw a bunch of repaints that fell into the movie line, will we see that again where its just pure repaints?
We try to go back and look at figures that fans liked and we don’t do repaints just for the sake of doing repaints, you may see some figures released like that again but not just pure repaints.


Going back to the Transformers Animated panel, are there any other characters from the series that may see a release like Omega Supreme?
There were a lot of characters we wanted to see released like Omega Supreme and the Constructicons. We thought they were great characters we would have loved to have released but the timing just wasn’t right to release them.


For the ROTF Combiner Devastator Supreme Class, why weren’t they given individual robot modes?
We put them in individual Deluxe class vehicles and to get the best Devastator robot, and to avoid redundancy of repeating the Deluxe figures, we left them with no robot modes.


Is there any reason we have not seen a Deluxe class Cliffjumper in the TF Animated line?
We thought that he was such a minor character in the overall story that the Activators line fit best for him.


Are you guys looking into moving away from using so many twist ties?
We are looking to move away from them and moving towards smaller packaging which is more biodegradable. In the future you’ll see smaller packages with Tam, which is easier to cut and biodegradable.


Will we ever see the Japan Legends Devastator set in the US?
There are plans for it to get a US release as an exclusive, probably in the spring of 2010.


Will we ever see a Leader Class Blackout?
We have plans for a new leader figure for the fall of 2010 that we think you’ll be excited about, but we can’t tell you what.


Is there any chance we’ll see Alternity in the US?
That’s an exclusive that we don’t think will see a release here in the US.


How much influence has Hasbro had on the retail store chains with the way the economy is?
Unfortunately we were hit with cost increases with the jump in prices for oil and production and we try to keep the figures at a low price but when it comes to a price increase or reduction in quality of the product, we have to go with the price increase as not to put out a bad product.


With the Takara legends class Devastator there are 7 figures but the Supreme Class Devastator has only 6 constructions. Why?
With out giving away too much, there can be a lot of constructicons that form Devastator, lets just say 15 start out to create him but only 7 make it to the end of the film. It’s a different concept than what you’re used to for the gestalt team.


Is there any chance of seeing a Transformers Animated Cyclonus?
We really wanted to but since we released him in the Universe line, it didn’t make sense to release him since they would be so similar in design.


This was asked at the Collectors Club panel but they passed the buck to you, did you guys choose the name Nexus Maximus?
Uh, yes.


ADDITIONAL NOTES FROM Q&A:

Find out about Drift tomorrow as well as the Wingblade Optimus Prime
New TF series on new Hasbro/Discovery channel
TFA has set the new standard for new projects
No Paradron Medic planned
No plans for TFA Omega Supreme or Constructicons at this time
ROTF Constructicons - made decision not to combine deluxes/voyagers so that it would look the best and same with Ultimate Devastator)
Future TFA characters might show up in future version of Classics/Universe line
Expect smaller and more environmentally friendly packaging next year
Hasbro plans to release Legends Devastator set (possibly as an exclusive)
Plans for ROTF Leader Starscream
Credit(s): Hasbro via Seibertron and First Gen
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Re: BotCon 2009: Hasbro Review and Q&A panel (929131)
Posted by LiKwid on May 30th, 2009 @ 6:03pm CDT
Wow..All of that is fabulous news..Especially

TARGET EXCLUSIVES
6" Titaniums - Optimus Prime, Thrust and Hot Zone
ROTF Voyager Fallen on fire

TRU EXCLUSIVES
Commemorative Insecticons
Commemorative Perceptor
ROTF Battle Pack - blue G1 deco Soundwave with Movie 1 Voyager Megatron

WALMART EXCLUSIVE
Masterpiece Skywarp, more faithful paint scheme to G1 toy


and ....

Will we ever see the Japan Legends Devastator set in the US?
There are plans for it to get a US release as an exclusive, probably in the spring of 2010.


Will we ever see a Leader Class Blackout?
We have plans for a new leader figure for the fall of 2010 that we think you’ll be excited about, but we can’t tell you what.


To those who posted those questions BRAVO... BRAVO..
Re: BotCon 2009: Hasbro Review and Q&A panel (929138)
Posted by Primacron's Little Helper on May 30th, 2009 @ 6:13pm CDT
Seibertron wrote:UNIVERSE IN 2010
New version of series will continue in fall 2010

Excellent. :APPLAUSE:
Re: BotCon 2009: Hasbro Review and Q&A panel (929141)
Posted by ayenlou on May 30th, 2009 @ 6:17pm CDT
I'm still confused...

Besides the TF:A figures they listed. Would we get any NEWER ones besides those? Because I remember Hasbro saying they'd have some more new molds for characters from TF:A.

If not then that's bull.... I have a feeling Hasbro won't even bother making anymore new figures besides the one they listed.

I so wanted Dai Atlas...
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Posted by Blurrz on May 30th, 2009 @ 6:24pm CDT
Jungle Attack Ironhide sounds ridiculously awesome. Can't wait for the new Animated...

Man ,this is awesome.
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Posted by Diem on May 30th, 2009 @ 6:31pm CDT
Yay to more Universe! Yay to more Animated!
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Posted by Burn on May 30th, 2009 @ 6:33pm CDT
So Prime will get his trailer AND his wings. Good move there.

Everything else sounds bloody great.
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Posted by Firebird on May 30th, 2009 @ 6:34pm CDT
Seibertron and First Gen, Thanks for reporting all this for us.

I can't wait for Bludgeon, less twisty ties is always great news, and I can't wait for the rest of the animated toys.
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Posted by Primacron's Little Helper on May 30th, 2009 @ 6:38pm CDT
Seibertron wrote:
ROTF VOYAGER CLASS
Jungle Attack Ironhide (redeco w/ new bumper that transforms into crossbow and huge guns, gattling gun, knives, sniper rifle)
Bludgeon (G1 style - holy shit is this awesome, tank, complete w/ samarai swords which come out of gun turrett, skull face, has samarai garb)

I skim read this initially as I'm not too interested in ROTF figures, but is this a different figure to the Wreckage repaint - Bludegon/Whirl 2 pack we've seen? I assume so since Wreckage is a deluxe.

I like Transformers with swords. Cheers Seibertron and First Gen!!!
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Posted by Powersa on May 30th, 2009 @ 6:39pm CDT
Great news. I'm waiting for the exclusives. If the ROTF battle back comes with Movie 1 Megs then pass. I already got Best Buy Megs.
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Posted by Blurrz on May 30th, 2009 @ 6:40pm CDT
Primacron's Little Helper wrote:
Seibertron wrote:
ROTF VOYAGER CLASS
Jungle Attack Ironhide (redeco w/ new bumper that transforms into crossbow and huge guns, gattling gun, knives, sniper rifle)
Bludgeon (G1 style - holy shit is this awesome, tank, complete w/ samarai swords which come out of gun turrett, skull face, has samarai garb)

I skim read this initially as I'm not too interested in ROTF figures, but is this a different figure to the Wreckage repaint - Bludegon/Whirl 2 pack we've seen? I assume so since Wreckage is a deluxe.

I like Transformers with swords. Cheers Seibertron and First Gen!!!


Yes, this is completely different. Hasbro usually panels toys that are to be released end of year/next year. Plus, the Bludgeon released with Autobot Whirl has none of the things listed... and is of the Deluxe class.
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Posted by Moon on May 30th, 2009 @ 6:54pm CDT
YES TO ALL THAT IS ANIMATED! Cant wait to get Wingblade Prime, Hydrodrive BB, Roddy, Arcee and Blackout.
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Posted by DMSL on May 30th, 2009 @ 6:59pm CDT
Will you be posting pictures on the site of the figures that were shown at this panel thingy?
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Posted by prmlove1 on May 30th, 2009 @ 7:01pm CDT
Are they going to release a Masterpiece Grimlock in the USA?
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Posted by Burn on May 30th, 2009 @ 7:09pm CDT
DMSL wrote:Will you be posting pictures on the site of the figures that were shown at this panel thingy?


Doubtful, cameras are normally prohibited at the Hasbro panel.
Re: BotCon 2009: Hasbro Review and Q&A panel (929178)
Posted by Sabrblade on May 30th, 2009 @ 7:21pm CDT
Rodimus Minor? Don't you mean Rodimus Prime?
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Posted by Diem on May 30th, 2009 @ 7:32pm CDT
Sabrblade wrote:Rodimus Minor? Don't you mean Rodimus Prime?

... :? I guess Hasbro lost yet another Hot Rod-related copyright?
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Posted by Evil_the_Nub on May 30th, 2009 @ 7:37pm CDT
Leader class Starscream?! My prayers have been...put into planning. I hope they go the Jetfire route with it and give him a giant jet mode.
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Posted by zero-kaiser on May 30th, 2009 @ 7:39pm CDT
This thread has brought a big stoopid smile to my face :) Thank you both Ryan and First Gen!

I'm looking forward to seeing the eventual promo pics from Hasbro, of Animated Rodimus Minor, Blackout and Wingblade Optimus Prime. Some of the ROTF stuff mentioned sound epic to!! I would list those that grabbed my attention, but to be honest its all of them :P

Thanks again guys, coming from someone who didnt have a hope in hell of getting to Botcon this year, it's really really appreciated!!
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Posted by Mkall on May 30th, 2009 @ 7:55pm CDT
Things I'm stoked about:

--Universe Repaints of Hardhead, Skyjack and the Red Powerglide.
--The Fact that Universe will be making a comeback in the fall of 2010 (should have money by then)
--Universe-style movie figs.
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Posted by Rijie on May 30th, 2009 @ 7:57pm CDT
More Universe in 2010, that's all I needed to hear. I hope that Wheeljack, Jazz, Trailbreaker, Tracks, and Skids make the Deluxe roster! The Universe Ultra repaints are also awesome.

Here's hoping that WM Skywarp can actually be found at a WM...unlike his predecessor.


The other news is good, but more Universe is all I want right now.
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Posted by Seibertron on May 30th, 2009 @ 8:11pm CDT
Burn wrote:
DMSL wrote:Will you be posting pictures on the site of the figures that were shown at this panel thingy?


Doubtful, cameras are normally prohibited at the Hasbro panel.



Bingo.
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Posted by RiddlerJ on May 30th, 2009 @ 8:15pm CDT
I was hoping we would see the rest of the Starscream clones in the Animated toyline. We're still missing Ramjet, Thrust, and the Female. (I know there was no Thrust in the cartoon but there was no Dirge either).
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Posted by Diem on May 30th, 2009 @ 9:10pm CDT
Wait wait wait wait! ROTF Dirge? Breakdown? LOCKDOWN? That's awesome!
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Posted by Kibble on May 30th, 2009 @ 9:32pm CDT
For the ROTF Combiner Devastator Supreme Class, why weren’t they given individual robot modes?
We put them in individual Deluxe class vehicles and to get the best Devastator robot, and to avoid redundancy of repeating the Deluxe figures, we left them with no robot modes.

Translated: How could we get you to buy two of each otherwise?
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Posted by Megatron Wolf on May 30th, 2009 @ 10:08pm CDT
"we don’t do repaints just for the sake of doing repaints"

I laughed so hard when i read this i almost peed myself. Hell im still laughing. Theres a lot on that list that im excited for. Mainly Rodimus and Barricade. Cant wait. Only thing im wondering is if Barricade is going to be Sideways with his true name or the Mustang version of Barricade. Hope its the stang. Im relly interested in what this new show is going to be. I just hope it has better animation. CGI would be kick ass.
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Posted by kirbenvost on May 30th, 2009 @ 11:06pm CDT
:shock: :shock: :shock:

So much good news (and wallet-emptying) to think about. Good thing I'm sitting down.

One thing I'm excited for: Red Powerglide. Heck yeah.

Edit: MP SKYWARP?!?!?!? :o :shock: :D :grin: I read that wrong, I thought they said Movie. WOW. I hope I can get my hands on that. Once in awhile it pays to wait in this hobby. :D

Hmm. Movie battle set with blue Soundwave...should I have not purchased the one I just did?? :-?

Also: YES, Animated toys to continue. Arcee & Rodimus are musts. Perhaps Ratchet & Ironhide as well. Thundercracker too, even though I already bought the Legends one. :roll: Wingblade Optimus sounds interesting.
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Posted by muswp1 on May 30th, 2009 @ 11:16pm CDT
Maybe I missed this earlier, but in the gallery Ryan posted with the pics of the store exclusives, which store is getting the black U-Silverbolt repaint?? I saw two pics of it, but no box shots.
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Posted by Mkall on May 31st, 2009 @ 12:07am CDT
muswp1 wrote:Maybe I missed this earlier, but in the gallery Ryan posted with the pics of the store exclusives, which store is getting the black U-Silverbolt repaint?? I saw two pics of it, but no box shots.

I don't think we know yet. If I had to guess, I'd say Target. They've been getting a lot of the good stuff recently
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Posted by Down_Shift on May 31st, 2009 @ 2:02am CDT
If I wasn't so birthday hammered I'd be super pumped. Thanks for the shout out guys!!!! ;;)

It all sounds awesome and expensive BTW
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Posted by Dead Metal on May 31st, 2009 @ 2:49am CDT
This stuff sounds badass, will be poor by the end of next year.......
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Posted by Savage on May 31st, 2009 @ 4:58am CDT
Couple of things mentioned at the Hasbro Panel that haven't been mentioned yet in this thread:

MP Grimlock WILL see a USA release, probably as a store exclusive like Starscream was.

Universe Onslaught will be repainted into Universe Hardhead. Repainted. No head remold.

Hasbro is ticked off over FansProject and other third party productions and hinted at the possibility of legal action.
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Posted by Diem on May 31st, 2009 @ 5:05am CDT
Savage wrote:Hasbro is ticked off over FansProject and other third party productions and hinted at the possibility of legal action.

Oof. There's gonna be some flame wars soon...
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Posted by Savage on May 31st, 2009 @ 5:27am CDT
Diem wrote:
Savage wrote:Hasbro is ticked off over FansProject and other third party productions and hinted at the possibility of legal action.

Oof. There's gonna be some flame wars soon...


Just to be clear, I'm not saying I think they're right or wrong. I also personally doubt such a case would actually make it to a real court, more likely it would be settled quietly. For the most part, it's a dispute that the fandom would be wise not to publicly or vocally take a side in, as that would only serve to aggravate the situation. Just enjoy your figures, official or unofficial, and let Hasbro deal with the business side of TransFormers.
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Posted by Burn on May 31st, 2009 @ 5:33am CDT
Diem wrote:
Savage wrote:Hasbro is ticked off over FansProject and other third party productions and hinted at the possibility of legal action.

Oof. There's gonna be some flame wars soon...


nah, sure a few people might jump up in rage if Hasbro were to win, but i'm not sure if they even have much of a case.

It's not like these third party guys actually advertise their stuff as Transformers, sure, they make their stuff solely for, and based on the Transformers franchise, but they're original products and are in no way competing directly with Hasbro like the big knock-off companies do.

Of course you have to wonder how far they'll take this, will they go after the every day customiser next? The majority of which create their creations for their own collections, and even those who do sell them off aren't exactly competing against Hasbro.

nah, i'm sure this piece of news won't be much of an issue.
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Posted by Diem on May 31st, 2009 @ 5:36am CDT
Savage wrote:
Diem wrote:
Savage wrote:Hasbro is ticked off over FansProject and other third party productions and hinted at the possibility of legal action.

Oof. There's gonna be some flame wars soon...


Just to be clear, I'm not saying I think they're right or wrong. I also personally doubt such a case would actually make it to a real court, more likely it would be settled quietly. For the most part, it's a dispute that the fandom would be wise not to publicly or vocally take a side in, as that would only serve to aggravate the situation. Just enjoy your figures, official or unofficial, and let Hasbro deal with the business side of TransFormers.

Good sage advice, Savage. Unfortunately, it's a topic that a lot of the fandom have strong opinions about. Even, even more than whether there should be a toaster TF.
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Posted by Rodentus Prime on May 31st, 2009 @ 6:15am CDT
Burn wrote:
Of course you have to wonder how far they'll take this, will they go after the every day customiser next? The majority of which create their creations for their own collections, and even those who do sell them off aren't exactly competing against Hasbro.

nah, i'm sure this piece of news won't be much of an issue.


I think what Hasbro have said is unnofficially they are fine with individual customs and add on items being sold as long as it doesn't become big business, - it's the high price full figures based on their characters that are in the pipeline that are the big no-no.

It's a shame that Hasbro isn't willing to fill the demand for niche characters for the collector market but is trying to stop people who are - although it's understandable.
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Posted by Rijie on May 31st, 2009 @ 7:06am CDT
Savage wrote:Hasbro is ticked off over FansProject and other third party productions and hinted at the possibility of legal action.


I don't want to come off as taking sides, but...I think it's just plain silly for Hasbro to be "ticked" over what FansProject and other companies do. If anything, they should be taking it as a compliment. They have no right to be offended.

So, does this mean that FProj should be able to go after the company that is making an upgrade set for their upgrade set? It's so ironic when corporations only preach business ethics when it benefits them personally. They are only "offended" because they see money going to a company other than their own, for projects that they are uninterested/unwilling to do themselves.

It makes about as much sense as automakers getting ticked at aftermarket suppliers. You don't see Jeep going after the lift-kit producers, do you? It's going to happen, whether they like it or not, so they should just accept the fact that people enjoy their product enough to produce parts and/or accessories for it.

This following is going to sound a little harsh, but I want to make it clear that I often defend Hasbro and their dedication to the fandom, especially during the past few years:

You don't want companies making Magnus Upgrades? Then stop simply repainting Prime white and do one yourself.

You don't want them doing trailers for Prime? Then do one yourself.

You don't want them making weapons kits? Then release your own.

The Collector's Club would be the perfect host for these kind of projects.

It's that simple, and it shouldn't be a legal issue. If I recall correctly, a few years back, they claimed they were going after Reprolabels for the same reason, and guess what? RL is still alive and well.

What's next, are you going to push for litigation that allows someone the right to customize a figure, but not the right to sell it? Please.

Hasbro, just don't waste the effort, because most of us here are smart enough to know that this amounts to nothing but corporate posturing. As a fan who truly appreciates what you do for us, it will take you down a notch, from my perspective, at least. If you really feel the need to go after someone, then keep after the KO companies, because they are the ones involved in copyright infringement, not FP and similar companies.

To revise the above, if you don't want other companies doing these things, then do them yourself. It's called "not having your cake and eating it, too."

(I know I'm off topic, but I had to address this.)
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Posted by Chaoslock on May 31st, 2009 @ 7:31am CDT
Rijie wrote:
Savage wrote:Hasbro is ticked off over FansProject and other third party productions and hinted at the possibility of legal action.


I don't want to come off as taking sides, but...I think it's just plain silly for Hasbro to be "ticked" over what FansProject and other companies do. If anything, they should be taking it as a compliment. They have no right to be offended.


I think they have the right to be offended, but not from FP, but from that noname freak chinese company that is putting out the G1 knockoffs. It is giving Hasbro a bad name with slag quality, and de-values original figures.
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Posted by Diem on May 31st, 2009 @ 8:11am CDT
Rijie wrote:
Savage wrote:Hasbro is ticked off over FansProject and other third party productions and hinted at the possibility of legal action.


I don't want to come off as taking sides, but...I think it's just plain silly for Hasbro to be "ticked" over what FansProject and other companies do. If anything, they should be taking it as a compliment. They have no right to be offended.



Another company is producing mass-made, internationally-sold figures undeniably based on Hasbro's characters.

I can understand why Hasbro would want to draw a line there.

There are a lot of good arguments to FPs benefit: they're non-profit, they make products that don't directly compete with Hasbro's products, and may even enhance sales for Hasbro toys (such as Nemesis Prime). They fufill fan demand.

Taken individually, FP probably don't deserve to take the heat. Apart from issues with City Commander's neck, I've heard nothing bad about their products or their practices, bar the recent Powered Convoy scandal.

But Hasbro can't say no to knockoffs and yes to FP.

Hasbro can't afford to turn a blind eye, especially with a big property like ROTF hanging around. Saying no to knockoffs but yes to FP would create an awkward grey area a mile wide. After all, if FP are allowed to make City Commander with his copyright-nuzzling image, packaging, comic and name, then it effectively gives the green light to Hong Kong's very own CrapCo who decide to make a Jepfire armour for ROTF Prime and sell it around the world.

If this is the line that needs to be drawn to keep Hasbro's reputation and copyrights safe then that's just how it is.

I'm not trying to take sides either, and I'm not trying to rattle any cages. I just want to point out that Hasbro's motives might be more than just greed or posturing.
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Posted by Rijie on May 31st, 2009 @ 8:34am CDT
You guys make good points, I totally forgot about the upcoming stand-alone figures, that I suppose I can understand. Maybe I didn't word it correctly, they do have a right to be offended at KO companies and likeness rights.

But the upgrade/accessory kits? I think that my point still stands. If they don't want these things being made, they should do them themselves. Ultra Magnus is not simply a white Prime, most fans know this and want a little more, there nothing wrong with that.

Nobody even wanted Classics Magnus until the City Commander was released. Those sets were on clearance after a couple of weeks. The boards were full of annoyed collectors who didn't want to have to get Magnus just to get Skywarp. Now try to find a Magnus/Skywarp set for under $80. And it's because of FProj.

I overstated my point a little, I'll admit. But I still
think that the only right way for Hasbro to go about this is to simply make the things themselves,(EDITED IN)or, license/collaborate with these upgrade companies, then there would be no reason for companies like FProj to exist. It is simply the result of a passionate fandom, and that should be taken as a compliment.
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Posted by Rodentus Prime on May 31st, 2009 @ 8:42am CDT
It would make the most sense if Hasbro were to licence/approve smaller reliable companies to make add ons and niche market figures that they have no intention of doing - but I expect that lawyers would get in the way of anything so sensible happening.
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Posted by ChrisR291 on May 31st, 2009 @ 8:45am CDT
Can we shift subjects because I have a quick question on those G1 Reissues....

All the other G1 Reissues had zero chrome.

The Insecticons, have chrome wings, antennas, etc.

If those parts are black, the figures will loose a lot of their appeal I think.

Will the insecticons have Chrome? :-?
Re: BotCon 2009: Hasbro Review and Q&A panel (929502)
Posted by Technically weird on May 31st, 2009 @ 8:56am CDT
How much do you think the commemorative guys will cost?
Re: BotCon 2009: Hasbro Review and Q&A panel (929503)
Posted by ChrisR291 on May 31st, 2009 @ 9:01am CDT
Technically weird wrote:How much do you think the commemorative guys will cost?



Wasn't their a rumored 50 dollar reissue figure? :-?
Re: BotCon 2009: Hasbro Review and Q&A panel (929514)
Posted by Rodentus Prime on May 31st, 2009 @ 9:33am CDT
ChrisR291 wrote:Can we shift subjects because I have a quick question on those G1 Reissues....

All the other G1 Reissues had zero chrome.

The Insecticons, have chrome wings, antennas, etc.

If those parts are black, the figures will loose a lot of their appeal I think.

Will the insecticons have Chrome? :-?


They will have vacuumed metalized parts apparently - so yes, chrome.
Re: BotCon 2009: Hasbro Review and Q&A panel (929520)
Posted by Diem on May 31st, 2009 @ 10:03am CDT
Rijie wrote:
But the upgrade/accessory kits? I think that my point still stands. If they don't want these things being made, they should do them themselves. Ultra Magnus is not simply a white Prime, most fans know this and want a little more, there nothing wrong with that.

Nobody even wanted Classics Magnus until the City Commander was released.

I understand your point totally. FP are filling a niche in what fans want that Hasbro isn't.

However...

Given that Ultra Magnus did, as you say, sell badly, then without the benefit of hindsight Hasbro really had very little incentive to make an add-on armour for it. And after FP's product had become popular there was little incentive for them to make such a thing either, since anyone who wanted one that badly would've bought one anyway.

On the other hand, Hasbro have released a very nifty Animated Ultra Magnus which I'd imagine has been in production since before FP announced City Commander. Arguably, Hasbro were trying to do what the fans want (make a decent UM) but FP snuck in and stole their thunder (and possibly sales). Not that FP knew Hasbro were making UM, so there's no blame on either side.

Besides, would City Commander be profitable if made by Hasbro? FP sold a (comparatively) small number at a high price to a small market. At general release would it've done so well?

[quote=Rodentus Prime]It would make the most sense if Hasbro were to licence/approve smaller reliable companies to make add ons and niche market figures that they have no intention of doing - but I expect that lawyers would get in the way of anything so sensible happening.[/quote]

It's a good idea, but again I'm not sure it's profitable. I don't know the figures but I can't think of any other add-on as popular or profitable as City Commander, and again that's only in a very small market. Hasbro would have to spend extra money on safety testing to make sure all of the toys their subsidiaries were making with their valuable brand names were on were safe, extra money on marketing, and extra money on infastructure to make sure that, say, a subsidiary didn't knock out a Counterpunch figure just as Hasbro were planning to make their own.

In addition, Hasbro would have to decide which niche market figures would even be profitable in the first place (a daunting task). After all, if a figure were guaranteed to sell well, well then Hasbro could make it themselves without another company getting involved.

Besides, Hasbro already make a number of niche figures, for the club and for Botcon. It's not their fault they can't make every niche figure we want. In a parallel universe somewhere, we would be playing with our official Hasbro City Commander while buying FP's Universe Nightbeat...sorry, FP's Detective.
Re: BotCon 2009: Hasbro Review and Q&A panel (929526)
Posted by omega666 on May 31st, 2009 @ 10:10am CDT
Lot's of neat stuff coming in 2010. I'd like to some pics. :grin:
Re: BotCon 2009: Hasbro Review and Q&A panel (929534)
Posted by Warbreaker on May 31st, 2009 @ 10:25am CDT
All this talk about FP's so confusing for someone who just wants to stick his head in the ground about all these 3rd-party stuff due to wanting them but being scared off by the ridiculously high prices they fetch and subsequently sticks to retail (I.E. me), but, well, yeah, the moment they started the individual figure kits (Springer & Broadside) I had a feeling Hasbro's intellectual property rights alarms were going off... Whatever happens next will just happen, it's not like we could hold a mass-demonstration outside Hasbro's offices to save FP (even if that were the case I doubt it would work), but it would be a shame if FP went down under - I hate the non-triple-changing mold reuses of Springer.

Anyways, back to the topic;

Seibertron wrote:------------------------------------------------------------
2010 SNEAK PEAK (SPRING)
------------------------------------------------------------
ROTF SCOUTS
Brakedown (homage to G1 Brakedown)
Skystalker (new futuristic drone jet mold)
Scattorshot (military truck w/ plow - offscreen character with pistols)

ROTF DELUXE
Lockdown (TFA character as a ROTF styled figure - looks awesome)
Ratchet (comes w/ MP Blaster)
Dirge (complete with conehead, actually looks really cool, huge missiles under wings)

ROTF VOYAGER CLASS
Jungle Attack Ironhide (redeco w/ new bumper that transforms into crossbow and huge guns, gattling gun, knives, sniper rifle)
Bludgeon (G1 style - holy shit is this awesome, tank, complete w/ samarai swords which come out of gun turrett, skull face, has samarai garb)

ROTF HUMAN ALLIANCE
Barricade w/ Frenzy (stores in front of vehicle or chest has some guns as well - very cool!)

UNIVERSE IN 2010
New version of series will continue in fall 2010


:shock: No, wait, seriously? Animated Lockdown given movieverse treatment and G1 Bludgeon going Voyager-sized ROTF in all his Metallicato-blades-of-death goodness and a heavily retooled Rambohide? The first Decepticon Human Alliance set (Frenzy isn't a human though, so isn't this kinda awkward to call it "Human" alliance)?

*facepalms* 2010's just too far away to just sit down and wait for...

Right then, thanks for the heads-up!
Re: BotCon 2009: Hasbro Review and Q&A panel (929546)
Posted by Rijie on May 31st, 2009 @ 11:02am CDT
Diem wrote:Given that Ultra Magnus did, as you say, sell badly, then without the benefit of hindsight Hasbro really had very little incentive to make an add-on armour for it. And after FP's product had become popular there was little incentive for them to make such a thing either, since anyone who wanted one that badly would've bought one anyway.

On the other hand, Hasbro have released a very nifty Animated Ultra Magnus which I'd imagine has been in production since before FP announced City Commander. Arguably, Hasbro were trying to do what the fans want (make a decent UM) but FP snuck in and stole their thunder (and possibly sales). Not that FP knew Hasbro were making UM, so there's no blame on either side.

Besides, would City Commander be profitable if made by Hasbro? FP sold a (comparatively) small number at a high price to a small market. At general release would it've done so well?



Again, wonderful points made. Much like Hasbro were surprised at the success of the first Movie line, I also think that they were surprised that Universe outsold Animated in most places, and that Classics did so well, even though it simply started as a filler line.

The point about Animated Magnus is a good one, but he simply doesn't fit in with the Classics very well, imo, even though he is an excellent figure in his own right.

If Hasbro would have done a true Classics Ultra Magnus, then I believe it would have been profitable, even if it were a Club Exclusive. FProj's CC Armor has already passed the $125 aftermarket price(last time I checked), starting at around $85 at most online retailers, that's a good indicator of it's overall appeal.

Mass produce them with corporate QC, and yes, I do believe they could have profited nicely. I need not mention what the Cliffjumper Upgrade goes for nowadays, and that's just a head, a bumper, and some weapons.

Hindsight is indeed 20/20, but I still see the Bros. consistently underestimating the demand for Classic characters, even coming from today's kids. I know they can't give us absolutely everything we want, but I still think they have a pretty good idea, even if they are in denial about it. :)
Re: BotCon 2009: Hasbro Review and Q&A panel (929557)
Posted by Optimist_Prime on May 31st, 2009 @ 11:31am CDT
Back to the topic at hand.

Did anyone ask why a Supreme Transforming Devastator, or why combining individual deluxe and voyagers weren't done???

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