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Buyer Beware: KO MP-16 Frenzy & Buzzsaw Sets Beginning to Appear In Markets

Transformers News: Buyer Beware: KO MP-16 Frenzy & Buzzsaw Sets Beginning to Appear In Markets

Monday, September 30th, 2013 8:22PM CDT

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If you're considering making a purchase on Masterpiece Frenzy & Buzzsaw, beware! Seibertron.com user daimchoc was gracious enough to warn fellow users that a knock-off of the popular set is beginning to appear in markets. daimchoc found the set via an auction on aliexpress.com. The set is priced at $39.99 USD.

daimchoc wrote:Found this image on weibo which were talking about the KO set...


Transformers News: Re: KO MP-16 Frenzy and Buzzsaw

From ebay seller

Originally Posted by makeasy2u
i have sent the list. now a new product MP16. usd39.99 too.

- makeasy2u
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Re: Buyer Beware: KO MP-16 Frenzy & Buzzsaw Sets Beginning to Appear In Markets (1520942)
Posted by Rated X on September 30th, 2013 @ 8:35pm CDT
Damn, I bought MP Soundwave for the cassettes a couple weeks ago. I would have jumped on these if I had known. I wonder if they will KO ratbat when he comes out. I will jump on him for sure !
Re: Buyer Beware: KO MP-16 Frenzy & Buzzsaw Sets Beginning to Appear In Markets (1520944)
Posted by Bumblevivisector on September 30th, 2013 @ 8:56pm CDT
Are these like the MP Lambor and Alert KOs, in that they're actually made from excess parts and packaging from the production of the read deals? If so, I can't get as excited as I usually do, because only through reverse molding could we get some new color schemes that HasTak might never produce, like Garboil and Enemy for these two.

For the record, I bought Hasbro's MP Soundwave set, and have no QC complaints, but the horror stories I've heard of Ravage snapping in half and condor fins breaking from joint stiffness mean this is great news for those who did the right thing and shouldn't have to pay full price again to replace unavoidable breakage.

Still, I've been tempted to get the Takara version of this pair anyway due to the irony of their Frenzy being a more Marvel-accurate blue, meaning he goes way better with yellow-optic Soundwave. I'm RIRFIB 'till all life sparks are one, but even I look at Hasbro's red-eyed purple MP Frenzy and want to call him Rumble, and dammit, that's a flavor of wrong deeper than any ethical issues surrounding Knock-offs. Ya' puts purple on Soundwave, maybe Rumble, but not Frenzy!

Well, okay, Japanese continuity Frenzy was cartoon purple, but again, WTF happened?
Re: Buyer Beware: KO MP-16 Frenzy & Buzzsaw Sets Beginning to Appear In Markets (1520989)
Posted by RiddlerJ on October 1st, 2013 @ 7:15am CDT
So what you're saying is that this all pink Buzzsaw I just bought might not be legit?
Re: Buyer Beware: KO MP-16 Frenzy & Buzzsaw Sets Beginning to Appear In Markets (1520993)
Posted by Yotsuyasan on October 1st, 2013 @ 8:19am CDT
I am normally quite anti-bootleg, but I suppose this set's existence might not be completely horrible in existing, as it could help out people who have had the misfortune of their Buzzsaw's fins snapping. I'd have been more forgiving of this set's existence if, rather then trying to look like the official release (which could easily fool people who are not careful) by pairing Buzzsaw up with Frenzy, they had instead paired him up with one of the other cassettes with known QC issues.

But nope. So never mind, it is horrible in existing.

Rated X wrote:Damn, I bought MP Soundwave for the cassettes a couple weeks ago. I would have jumped on these if I had known. I wonder if they will KO ratbat when he comes out. I will jump on him for sure !


So based on your post, it sounds as if you wanted the five cassettes but not Soundwave?

This two-pack of the KO Frenzy and Buzzsaw, as ordered from Aliexpress.com with the least expensive shipping option, costs $42.86 shipped to the U.S.

That's a cost of $21.43 per cassette.

Mutliply that five, and you get $107.15. (Although this multiplying by five is a fantasy scenario. Likely KO Lazerbeak would not be sold separately, but with a KO of Soundwave, bringing the price even higher.)

Meanwhile, Soundwave shipped from TRU.com cost $127.49. (I understand shipping may have been slightly different depending on where you lived, but we'll go with that and hope it is a good average.) I'll concede that he is out of stock at TRU.com, but hopefully you were able to luck across him in a store and pay a similar price to that, and you didn't pay some evil scalper's inflated price.

So, a hypothetical difference of about $20.34? Even if Soundwave himself was not on your wishlist, I think even you would have to admit that for about $20.00 he's a steal. I really think that in this round, Hasbro won pricewise. Plus, think of the convenience of getting everything, all at once, in one package! And, on top of that, you get to enjoy your official figure secure in the knowledge that you've supported the company that created it so that they can create more designs for you to enjoy in the future, rather then knowing your money went to some arsehole bootlegger, which I know would have kept you up at night sick with worry.
Re: Buyer Beware: KO MP-16 Frenzy & Buzzsaw Sets Beginning to Appear In Markets (1521014)
Posted by Rated X on October 1st, 2013 @ 8:59am CDT
Yotsuyasan wrote:I am normally quite anti-bootleg, but I suppose this set's existence might not be completely horrible in existing, as it could help out people who have had the misfortune of their Buzzsaw's fins snapping. I'd have been more forgiving of this set's existence if, rather then trying to look like the official release (which could easily fool people who are not careful) by pairing Buzzsaw up with Frenzy, they had instead paired him up with one of the other cassettes with known QC issues.

But nope. So never mind, it is horrible in existing.

Rated X wrote:Damn, I bought MP Soundwave for the cassettes a couple weeks ago. I would have jumped on these if I had known. I wonder if they will KO ratbat when he comes out. I will jump on him for sure !


So based on your post, it sounds as if you wanted the five cassettes but not Soundwave?

This two-pack of the KO Frenzy and Buzzsaw, as ordered from Aliexpress.com with the least expensive shipping option, costs $42.86 shipped to the U.S.

That's a cost of $21.43 per cassette.

Mutliply that five, and you get $107.15. (Although this multiplying by five is a fantasy scenario. Likely KO Lazerbeak would not be sold separately, but with a KO of Soundwave, bringing the price even higher.)

Meanwhile, Soundwave shipped from TRU.com cost $127.49. (I understand shipping may have been slightly different depending on where you lived, but we'll go with that and hope it is a good average.) I'll concede that he is out of stock at TRU.com, but hopefully you were able to luck across him in a store and pay a similar price to that, and you didn't pay some evil scalper's inflated price.

So, a hypothetical difference of about $20.34? Even if Soundwave himself was not on your wishlist, I think even you would have to admit that for about $20.00 he's a steal. I really think that in this round, Hasbro won pricewise. Plus, think of the convenience of getting everything, all at once, in one package! And, on top of that, you get to enjoy your official figure secure in the knowledge that you've supported the company that created it so that they can create more designs for you to enjoy in the future, rather then knowing your money went to some arsehole bootlegger, which I know would have kept you up at night sick with worry.


I see your point. But factor in the 15-20 bucks I spent in gas driving around Miami to different TRU's until I finally found the damn thing. I paid 119 plus tax. Also I didn't even think of this, but KO's open the door to repaints like Enemy, Sundor, etc. I'm pretty sure when they get hold of Ratbat, that set will come with Lazerbeak.

These cassettes actually scale perfect with classics figures if you go by G1 cartoon standards. MP Ravage is actually smaller than classics ravage.
Re: Buyer Beware: KO MP-16 Frenzy & Buzzsaw Sets Beginning to Appear In Markets (1521054)
Posted by Gauntlet101010 on October 1st, 2013 @ 10:47am CDT
A KO doesn't necessarily mean we'll get repaints of these moulds. Rumour has it they're factory extras, not copies. Since they aren't copies we wouldn't get any recolours.
Re: Buyer Beware: KO MP-16 Frenzy & Buzzsaw Sets Beginning to Appear In Markets (1521073)
Posted by Rated X on October 1st, 2013 @ 12:35pm CDT
Gauntlet101010 wrote:A KO doesn't necessarily mean we'll get repaints of these moulds. Rumour has it they're factory extras, not copies. Since they aren't copies we wouldn't get any recolours.



How would "factory extras" end up in the hands of a private company instead of the Takara factory as a "restock" ? Im assuming these are painted to resemble the Takara versions which were sold without the Soundwave. So where are the "factory extras" for all the classics figures ? Why did only the MP line suffer this change of hands if the rumor is true ?
Re: Buyer Beware: KO MP-16 Frenzy & Buzzsaw Sets Beginning to Appear In Markets (1521075)
Posted by EagleTron on October 1st, 2013 @ 12:37pm CDT
Just seeing the word ko and transformer together makes me so upset. And everytime I hear someone supporting that stuff in any kind of way is very bad. And the worse thing about it is that I haven't heard anything about someone trying to stop it.
Re: Buyer Beware: KO MP-16 Frenzy & Buzzsaw Sets Beginning to Appear In Markets (1521076)
Posted by Gauntlet101010 on October 1st, 2013 @ 12:43pm CDT
Rated X wrote:
Gauntlet101010 wrote:A KO doesn't necessarily mean we'll get repaints of these moulds. Rumour has it they're factory extras, not copies. Since they aren't copies we wouldn't get any recolours.



How would "factory extras" end up in the hands of a private company instead of the Takara factory as a "restock" ? Im assuming these are painted to resemble the Takara versions which were sold without the Soundwave. So where are the "factory extras" for all the classics figures ? Why did only the MP line suffer this change of hands if the rumor is true ?


They fall off the back of the truck because not all factory workers are honest.

I guess the MPs are made in a different facility. Or maybe someone is paying them to skim a few off the top. Can't honestly say, that's just a best guess. Maybe they're made int he same place as HA Barricade. But it doesn't look like there's anything to suggest these guys have actually been copied; that their moulds have been knocked off, strictly speaking. Which is why people suspect these are made from leftover parts. At least that's what I gather.
Re: Buyer Beware: KO MP-16 Frenzy & Buzzsaw Sets Beginning to Appear In Markets (1521079)
Posted by Mindmaster on October 1st, 2013 @ 12:48pm CDT
EagleTron wrote:Just seeing the word ko and transformer together makes me so upset. And everytime I hear someone supporting that stuff in any kind of way is very bad. And the worse thing about it is that I haven't heard anything about someone trying to stop it.



I do not own any KO figures outside a couple Aerialbots, and I'm neither for or against them. But sometimes KOs are the best way to go.

Let me give you a scenario: you just purchased MP Soundwave & Laserbeak. Not too long after, Laserbeak breaks for whatever reason, and Takara/retailer refuse to replace him. So now you're stuck with a broken Laserbeak. Little while later, you learn that a KO of Laserbeak is being produced and released by himself, with quality on par or a little lower than the official. And they have every detail down pat.

Would you rather splurge an extra $150 you don't have/can't afford, or get KO Laserbeak for the low low price of $20-30?
Re: Buyer Beware: KO MP-16 Frenzy & Buzzsaw Sets Beginning to Appear In Markets (1521090)
Posted by Genocide G2.0 on October 1st, 2013 @ 1:27pm CDT
I will buy these >:oP .
Re: Buyer Beware: KO MP-16 Frenzy & Buzzsaw Sets Beginning to Appear In Markets (1521091)
Posted by Genocide G2.0 on October 1st, 2013 @ 1:27pm CDT
I will buy these >:oP .
Re: Buyer Beware: KO MP-16 Frenzy & Buzzsaw Sets Beginning to Appear In Markets (1521097)
Posted by Yotsuyasan on October 1st, 2013 @ 1:48pm CDT
Mindmaster wrote:
Let me give you a scenario: you just purchased MP Soundwave & Laserbeak. Not too long after, Laserbeak breaks for whatever reason, and Takara/retailer refuse to replace him. So now you're stuck with a broken Laserbeak. Little while later, you learn that a KO of Laserbeak is being produced and released by himself, with quality on par or a little lower than the official. And they have every detail down pat.

Would you rather splurge an extra $150 you don't have/can't afford, or get KO Laserbeak for the low low price of $20-30?


At the risk of beating the dead horse of the KO argument, let me give you a scenario.

First off, I have to assume that your scenario above happens outside of the allowed return/exchange window of whatever retailer you are dealing with, or the solution is simple: return the broken figure in exchange for another. We shall assume the same for my scenario here:

You just purchased an expensive DVD box set. Not too long after, one of the disks breaks for whatever reason, and the studio/retailer refuse to replace it. So now you're stuck with a broken DVD. Little while later, you learn that a KO of that DVD is being produced and released by itself, with quality on par or a little lower than the official. And they have every detail down pat.

So, is it legal or right to purchase that bootleg DVD?
Re: Buyer Beware: KO MP-16 Frenzy & Buzzsaw Sets Beginning to Appear In Markets (1521113)
Posted by Rated X on October 1st, 2013 @ 4:03pm CDT
The best scenario is the following:

What if I dont care about value and just want a collection that looks cool in my man cave ? When it comes to owning authentiv vintage figures, what good are "bragging rights" if you dont know any other TF collectors to brag to ? If they look just as cool as the originals, they will get the same amount of attention as the originals from friends and family. They will say "Thats cool, I used to have one I was young". For some collectors, thats all that matters is the "cool factor". This is why high quality KO's exist and flourish.
Re: Buyer Beware: KO MP-16 Frenzy & Buzzsaw Sets Beginning to Appear In Markets (1521115)
Posted by Burn on October 1st, 2013 @ 4:11pm CDT
I don't need to brag, I just need to know for my own personal satisfaction that all my figures are genuine Hasbro/TT and not a KO. But that's just my personal preference.

Been burned once by KO's, that's enough for me to dislike them and the scum that try to pass them off as legitimate TF's.
Re: Buyer Beware: KO MP-16 Frenzy & Buzzsaw Sets Beginning to Appear In Markets (1521118)
Posted by Stormrider on October 1st, 2013 @ 4:51pm CDT
Burn wrote:I don't need to brag, I just need to know for my own personal satisfaction that all my figures are genuine Hasbro/TT and not a KO. But that's just my personal preference.

Been burned once by KO's, that's enough for me to dislike them and the scum that try to pass them off as legitimate TF's.


You hit the nail on the head for me. I don't care what they are and who is buying them. I just want to identify if they are legit and not fooled by the packaging.
Re: Buyer Beware: KO MP-16 Frenzy & Buzzsaw Sets Beginning to Appear In Markets (1521121)
Posted by EagleTron on October 1st, 2013 @ 5:04pm CDT
Shaking my head at y'all excuses and reasons to by a ko. How can you support anyone that Steals. Them ko are thieves of ppls hard work sacrifice s and ideas to bring us some good figures. Imaging it took you more than a year to come up with a invention and afther everything is said and done a couple of months later after you just start getting a taste of some good sales some else steals your entire design then they mislead buyers to think that its your product and then on top of that they try to make it better than the original. I wann blow up every transformer ko ever made. I feel sorry for Takara.
Re: Buyer Beware: KO MP-16 Frenzy & Buzzsaw Sets Beginning to Appear In Markets (1521126)
Posted by Rated X on October 1st, 2013 @ 5:58pm CDT
When it comes time to “re-issue” a 30 year old toy, do you anti-KO guys really believe Hasbro mails a check to the original designer of the figure or artist who designed the character? Half of those guys are dead or collected their last paycheck from Hasbro in the late 80’s. So when you scream “IP infringement” in this day and age, you’re not defending the people who created the characters we love. You’re defending the corporate investors who bought up the copyrights and hoarded them for 30 years. A lot of you anti-KO people just don’t get it. You’re just defending corporate interests and investments that belong to people who don’t give a crap about the fandom. I have no attachment to today’s Hasbro corporate division. They didn’t create G1 and the revenue it still draws; they just inherited G1 by corporate affiliation. How am I supposed to respect that?

Additionally, once something is old enough to become “vintage” the retro factor starts to kick in. You got tons of trendy people who want an Optimus Prime on their shelf because it looks cool, not because it is vintage. That’s the KO markets strongest market, and it’s a big one. Fair weather fans make up a majority of the collectors who buy KO’s. To some, “personal satisfaction” might come from knowing you own an authentic Transformer. But to others, the “personal satisfaction” might come from non-collector friends checking out your KO’s and saying “damn that retro stuff is cool!”

On newer KO’s such as copies of Botcon figures or MP Issues, all I can say is the price is right. Why pay inflated collector prices if you can avoid it? If it looks like a duck and quacks it’s a duck for many people. Not everybody is so critical.
Re: Buyer Beware: KO MP-16 Frenzy & Buzzsaw Sets Beginning to Appear In Markets (1521127)
Posted by njb902 on October 1st, 2013 @ 6:05pm CDT
So it's alright as long as you don't feel that the owner owns it?
Re: Buyer Beware: KO MP-16 Frenzy & Buzzsaw Sets Beginning to Appear In Markets (1521137)
Posted by Burn on October 1st, 2013 @ 7:20pm CDT
Hasbro/TT pay people to design and create characters. That payment is their right to own the designs and the characters.

That's the same for ANY business. I work for an engineering firm, our engineers are well aware that any designs they create are owned by the business as they are reimbursed.

To sit there and try to chastise us "anti-KO guys" for buying legitimate figures because we're not supporting the original designers is utter garbage. That's the whole basis of being paid for your work, you give up ownership rights.

And personally, it's not about supporting "the corporations" Rated X so vehermently decries, I just want legitimate figures in my collection. That's my personal preference, nothing more nothing less.

If you want nice little shiney things on your shelves and you don't care who made it, go right ahead. That's your decision, how you collect is your decision, I collect in my own way and if people can't accept that, well I just don't care. Call me all the names you want, criticise my choices all you want, it means NOTHING to me what you think because it's MY collection.

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