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Clearer Images: Takara Tomy Transformers Generations TG-25 Orion Pax vs. Megatron

Transformers News: Clearer Images: Takara Tomy Transformers Generations TG-25 Orion Pax vs. Megatron

Wednesday, June 12th, 2013 8:10AM CDT

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Thanks to e-Hobby we have some nice clear high res images of Takara Tomy's Transformers Generations TG-25 Orion Pax vs. Megatron set. The set features the Deluxe Orion Pax and Stealth Bomber Megatron molds based on recent IDW Publishing comic appearances. These Takara Tomy versions have the line's signature metallic paint, check out the all the shiny goodness below.

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Re: Clearer Images: Takara Tomy Transformers Generations TG-25 Orion Pax vs. Megatron (1494605)
Posted by griftimus prime on June 12th, 2013 @ 8:21am CDT
both looking damn good
Re: Clearer Images: Takara Tomy Transformers Generations TG-25 Orion Pax vs. Megatron (1494616)
Posted by Henry921 on June 12th, 2013 @ 8:42am CDT
Megatron is a thing of beauty. :APPLAUSE:

Gonna have to see how the Hasbro version stacks up now...
Re: Clearer Images: Takara Tomy Transformers Generations TG-25 Orion Pax vs. Megatron (1494619)
Posted by SKYWARPED_128 on June 12th, 2013 @ 9:08am CDT
Very tempted to get Orion Pax, though the hollow legs look pretty bad. And since these are Takara pictures, it's unlikely they were mis-transformed.
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Posted by Rated X on June 12th, 2013 @ 9:33am CDT
Now Im interested. I love the chrome. Still need a G1 Orion head though. Calling Dr Wu !!!
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Posted by Cybertronus on June 12th, 2013 @ 9:45am CDT
With some slightly changes in the back. Orion Pax mold could do a decente Skids...
Re: Clearer Images: Takara Tomy Transformers Generations TG-25 Orion Pax vs. Megatron (1494635)
Posted by JelZe GoldRabbit on June 12th, 2013 @ 9:45am CDT
Rated X wrote:Now Im interested. I love the chrome.


No chrome here, just really shiny silver paint.
Re: Clearer Images: Takara Tomy Transformers Generations TG-25 Orion Pax vs. Megatron (1494637)
Posted by Mkall on June 12th, 2013 @ 9:46am CDT
Sexy, but not worth the money to me.
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Posted by Delta Magnus on June 12th, 2013 @ 10:13am CDT
Lookin' good!

Also, I don't really mind the hollow legs. After all, those feet have to go somewhere.
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Posted by gavinfuzzy on June 12th, 2013 @ 10:20am CDT
Hmm... I wonder if the japanese versions come with japanese comics.

Dammit. I actually want to read the english comics... But... That shine... :(
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Posted by dragons on June 12th, 2013 @ 11:17am CDT
Henry921 wrote:Megatron is a thing of beauty. :APPLAUSE:

Gonna have to see how the Hasbro version stacks up now...
i will regreat this preorder takra version there more comic accuate in colors exdcept for megatron gun being red hasbro versions http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/transformers-generations-deluxe-idw-spotlight-figures-official-images/27289/
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Posted by guarayakha on June 12th, 2013 @ 11:31am CDT
SKYWARPED_128 wrote:Very tempted to get Orion Pax, though the hollow legs look pretty bad. And since these are Takara pictures, it's unlikely they were mis-transformed.


On the other hand, hollow legs means possibly more options for 3rd party armor addons :lol:
Re: Clearer Images: Takara Tomy Transformers Generations TG-25 Orion Pax vs. Megatron (1494712)
Posted by Rated X on June 12th, 2013 @ 2:21pm CDT
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
Rated X wrote:Now Im interested. I love the chrome.


No chrome here, just really shiny silver paint.


Actually I meant metallic. I tend to refer to metallic as "chrome" sometimes. I know it's not correct technically, but theyre both mirror shiny just one has color and the other doesnt.
Re: Clearer Images: Takara Tomy Transformers Generations TG-25 Orion Pax vs. Megatron (1494730)
Posted by Nemesis Destron on June 12th, 2013 @ 3:22pm CDT
Sabrblade wrote:
Nemesis Destron wrote: :)) That just made my day....thanks Sabrblade! :VEHI:
That was X, not me.


Thanks for checking me...good one X. ;)^


I think they are both keepers but I wish the engineers would have done something different with Orion's :BOT: placed behind his wind shield. :VEHI:
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Posted by Sabrblade on June 12th, 2013 @ 4:33pm CDT
gavinfuzzy wrote:Hmm... I wonder if the japanese versions come with japanese comics.
Nope. No comics for Takara's versions.
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Posted by Hoitytoity on June 12th, 2013 @ 5:11pm CDT
These are fantastic! Both figures are much more vibrant than their American counterparts, which is pretty snazzy when it's done with a black figure.

The price point is a little high, but expected. I'm just not sure if I want to shell out that much for deluxes I might not end up caring about.
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Posted by Sodan-1 on June 13th, 2013 @ 5:18pm CDT
The colours on Megatron really make him pop. The black nose, the purple highlights, the silver and the red on his weapon. He looks amazing. He looks imposing. Shame that he's not. :roll:

I think I actually prefer the clear window of the Hasbro version of Orion, but the better paint applications and the fact he's coming with that awesome Megatron mean I'll probably take this one over Hasbro's anyway.

Nice work Takara.
Re: Clearer Images: Takara Tomy Transformers Generations TG-25 Orion Pax vs. Megatron (1522259)
Posted by LOST Cybertronian on October 6th, 2013 @ 11:40pm CDT
We get more in-hand images of the Orion Pax half of the Takara TG-25 Orion Pax vs. Megatron set courtesy of Lost of HKTF. He is also shown compared to the Hasbro version of Orion Pax. The main differences here are the metallic paint that Takara is fond of as well as a blue tented windshield. This set is due out this month.

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Re: Clearer Images: Takara Tomy Transformers Generations TG-25 Orion Pax vs. Megatron (1522262)
Posted by fenrir72 on October 7th, 2013 @ 12:29am CDT
Wish it were Ryan's shots. I can't seem to tell the difference, until you mentioned the blue windshield. It seems to have neutered the Autobot sigil on his chest.
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Posted by chuckdawg1999 on October 7th, 2013 @ 1:02am CDT
Interesting. They're showing how you can store the ax on the back. I think it's slotted between the two tires.
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Posted by Manterax Prime on October 7th, 2013 @ 3:01am CDT
Blue windshield takes away from the Autobot logo, which is never a good thing. Also, I'm not a fan of the brighter blue and orange plastics used. Makes him look too vibrant. Even Pax needs to balance his colors, and Hasbro's version does that quite nicely.

Also, in b4 Takara fanboys, aside from lighter shades and metallic red and the windshield, there are NO VISIBLE DIFFERENCES in paint apps.
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Posted by magnusalpha on October 7th, 2013 @ 3:13am CDT
I really like the orange of the Takara axe, though I don't have a problem with my Hasbro version's color.
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Posted by KnightStrike on October 7th, 2013 @ 6:11am CDT
I know the axe is traditionally orange, but I actually prefer the red of Hasbro's version. Also, as others have said, the blue tinted windshield really takes away from the Autobot symbol and chest detailing. On the bright side at least the Takara one does have paint apps and doesn't just come with stickers and a lot of Arms Micron holes all over it :lol:
Re: Clearer Images: Takara Tomy Transformers Generations TG-25 Orion Pax vs. Megatron (1522297)
Posted by Sabrblade on October 7th, 2013 @ 7:24am CDT
KnightStrike wrote:On the bright side at least the Takara one does have paint apps and doesn't just come with stickers and a lot of Arms Micron holes all over it :lol:
This is the Generations line, not the Prime line. Takara's Generations line never had stickers (barring Metroplex) or Arms Microns.
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Posted by MagnetarPrime on October 7th, 2013 @ 9:24am CDT
So glad I'm getting the takara 2 pack, the Hasbro version just does not make it for me... :grin:
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Posted by Nemesis Destron on October 7th, 2013 @ 12:43pm CDT
MagnetarPrime wrote:So glad I'm getting the takara 2 pack, the Hasbro version just does not make it for me... :grin:


Ditto...Orion Pax looks very epic compared to Hasbro's! :APPLAUSE: :VEHI:
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Posted by megatronus on October 7th, 2013 @ 2:57pm CDT
I really enjoy Hasbro's version, but I absolutely LOVE this one.

Did someone say Takara 2-pack? Where!?
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Posted by JelZe GoldRabbit on October 7th, 2013 @ 2:59pm CDT
megatronus wrote:Did someone say Takara 2-pack? Where!?


The TakaraTomy versions of Orion Pax and Deluxe Megatron are sold together.
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Posted by KnightStrike on October 7th, 2013 @ 3:43pm CDT
Sabrblade wrote:
KnightStrike wrote:On the bright side at least the Takara one does have paint apps and doesn't just come with stickers and a lot of Arms Micron holes all over it :lol:
This is the Generations line, not the Prime line. Takara's Generations line never had stickers (barring Metroplex) or Arms Microns.


Aye, sorry, that was just an attempt at humor on my part. After just stickering up Generations Metroplex and a couple Joe vehicles in one day recently I can firmly say that if I don't see another decal sheet for a loooooong time it will be fine by me ;)
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Posted by Sodan-1 on October 9th, 2013 @ 5:47pm CDT
Well I've certainly changed my tune from the last time we got news on these guys. :-?

I liked this version's blue windscreen and the proper silver on his crotch, abdomen and arm flaps. But that shade of blue is kind of weak. Not like how it looked in the previous official images. (I know. I should've known better. :BANG_HEAD: ) And like others have said, that Autobot logo suffers because of it. I also can't get behind the all-over shiny paint. It's a little too blingy for a records clerk/enforcer of the law.

Then there's the biggest drawback to this figure, which is ironically that it comes with one of the tiniest Megatrons ever. It's a good design sure, but I couldn't be happy having such a small Decepticon tyrant in my collection, not unless he was to function as some kind of boomerang Targetmaster for one of the larger figures.

Pre-order cancelled. I'm sticking with Hasbro's Orion Pax for the time being.
Re: Clearer Images: Takara Tomy Transformers Generations TG-25 Orion Pax vs. Megatron (1523876)
Posted by El Duque on October 14th, 2013 @ 11:13pm CDT
Having previously brought us our first in-hand images of Takara Tomy's Transformers Generations Orion Pax last week, HK-TF user Lost now brings us images of the other figure in the TG-25 two-pack, Megatronus. The figure features the line's signature metallic paint and some addition detailing. Check him out below, the series of images also includes comparisons with this Hasbro counterpart.

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Re: Clearer Images: Takara Tomy Transformers Generations TG-25 Orion Pax vs. Megatron (1523877)
Posted by Sabrblade on October 14th, 2013 @ 11:16pm CDT
Uses an IDW body and bio.

Given an Aligned name. :BANG_HEAD:
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Posted by MasterSoundBlaster on October 14th, 2013 @ 11:26pm CDT
Dat metallic paint...

I guess you could say...it makes the figure shine
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Posted by #Sideways# on October 14th, 2013 @ 11:32pm CDT
Why does Japan have to get the best paintjobs... :BANG_HEAD:
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Posted by Sabrblade on October 14th, 2013 @ 11:37pm CDT
#Sideways# wrote:Why does Japan have to get the best paintjobs... :BANG_HEAD:
Probably cuz Hasbro's gotta start theirs from scratch, whereas Takara has the existing Hasbro one to work off from as a base, and so can put more paint into theirs since they get to skip a few steps. Plus the mold's also already made for them, so that's another expense removed for them that Hasbro can't skip. :-B
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Posted by megatronus on October 14th, 2013 @ 11:45pm CDT
#Sideways# wrote:Why does Japan have to get the best paintjobs... :BANG_HEAD:

They don't always. People tend to consider Generations Wheeljack superior to the Takara version, and I've picked up good vibes on the recent Generations voyagers. It's hit or miss on both sides of the ocean.
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Posted by megatronus on October 14th, 2013 @ 11:46pm CDT
Does the metallic paint job make Takara Megatron voyager-sized? No? Then, pass.
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Posted by Mkall on October 14th, 2013 @ 11:51pm CDT
That's one sexy Megatron.
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Posted by Manterax Prime on October 15th, 2013 @ 12:12am CDT
It nailed the Tron lights in bot mode, but......it's not entirely accurate.
1. Red gun throws it off. Should be grey, or at least purple.
2. Needs more silver up the middle of the legs and around the lower area of the chest near his waist.
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Posted by xyl360 on October 15th, 2013 @ 12:16am CDT
Sabrblade wrote:
#Sideways# wrote:Why does Japan have to get the best paintjobs... :BANG_HEAD:
Probably cuz Hasbro's gotta start theirs from scratch, whereas Takara has the existing Hasbro one to work off from as a base, and so can put more paint into theirs since they get to skip a few steps. Plus the mold's also already made for them, so that's another expense removed for them that Hasbro can't skip. :-B

I'm gonna call BS on this. It's a financial choice, plain and simple and I believe it has to do with their markets more than anything else. In Japan, action figures of this sort are expected to meet certain standards, which include the generous use of paint while here in the US we've gotten used to toys getting cheaper and cheaper with less going into them. If Hasbro wanted to use more paint, they could. Just look at the hand painted prototypes they use for their "official" images of the products for adverts and for the packaging. They paint those head to toe to make the figures look like they know we want them to look, then they cop out with the see-through colored plastic and figure that kids won't know the difference and that parents won't care.
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Posted by TimothyR on October 15th, 2013 @ 2:12am CDT
xyl360 wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
#Sideways# wrote:Why does Japan have to get the best paintjobs... :BANG_HEAD:
Probably cuz Hasbro's gotta start theirs from scratch, whereas Takara has the existing Hasbro one to work off from as a base, and so can put more paint into theirs since they get to skip a few steps. Plus the mold's also already made for them, so that's another expense removed for them that Hasbro can't skip. :-B

I'm gonna call BS on this. It's a financial choice, plain and simple and I believe it has to do with their markets more than anything else. In Japan, action figures of this sort are expected to meet certain standards, which include the generous use of paint while here in the US we've gotten used to toys getting cheaper and cheaper with less going into them. If Hasbro wanted to use more paint, they could. Just look at the hand painted prototypes they use for their "official" images of the products for adverts and for the packaging. They paint those head to toe to make the figures look like they know we want them to look, then they cop out with the see-through colored plastic and figure that kids won't know the difference and that parents won't care.


i call BS as well.

it's not like takara is getting a bunch of hasbro figures.. opening the boxes and slapping on some paint.

i agree.. the markets are different. takara has more competition than hasbro. to me, it seems like hasbro tries to "get away with" a lot. whereas takara pays more attention to detail.

besides animated.. takara's figures almost always look better. some more than others.. hasbro's universe smokescreen compared to takara's is a great example.

this megatron is beautiful. hasbro's looks good.. but this is incredible. with the prices of figures going up and some figures getting smaller, you'd think they'd have some room to pay attention to details. but they don't. it's a shame we don't get quality like this.
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Posted by Emerje on October 15th, 2013 @ 3:03am CDT
Takara Tomy has really been slipping lately, though. Orion Pax is a 1:1 repaint of the Hasbro version with metallic paint and a blue windshield. Go! Hunter Smokescreen is lacking in paint aps compared to the BH version. Go! Predaking just slightly changed some color shades from the Hasbro version. Even going back to United Warpath didn't look as good as the Hasbro version and Thunderwing is in weird pastel colors.

Problem with the IDW figures is deciding who's doing a better job of representing the comics. It's was easier in previous series when you just had to decide if you wanted your figure to be accurate to the original figure or the cartoon version.

For the record I went with Takara Tomy for the Generations deluxe figures all the way through to Skywarp/Ratbat. After that I decided the changes between Takara Tomy and Hasbro weren't drastic enough to warrant importing. Only figures I'm importing now are the original Go! figures and Oni remolds.

Emerje
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Posted by Lord Onixprime on October 15th, 2013 @ 6:47am CDT
TimothyR wrote:
xyl360 wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
#Sideways# wrote:Why does Japan have to get the best paintjobs... :BANG_HEAD:
Probably cuz Hasbro's gotta start theirs from scratch, whereas Takara has the existing Hasbro one to work off from as a base, and so can put more paint into theirs since they get to skip a few steps. Plus the mold's also already made for them, so that's another expense removed for them that Hasbro can't skip. :-B

I'm gonna call BS on this. It's a financial choice, plain and simple and I believe it has to do with their markets more than anything else. In Japan, action figures of this sort are expected to meet certain standards, which include the generous use of paint while here in the US we've gotten used to toys getting cheaper and cheaper with less going into them. If Hasbro wanted to use more paint, they could. Just look at the hand painted prototypes they use for their "official" images of the products for adverts and for the packaging. They paint those head to toe to make the figures look like they know we want them to look, then they cop out with the see-through colored plastic and figure that kids won't know the difference and that parents won't care.


i call BS as well.

it's not like takara is getting a bunch of hasbro figures.. opening the boxes and slapping on some paint.

i agree.. the markets are different. takara has more competition than hasbro. to me, it seems like hasbro tries to "get away with" a lot. whereas takara pays more attention to detail.

besides animated.. takara's figures almost always look better. some more than others.. hasbro's universe smokescreen compared to takara's is a great example.

this megatron is beautiful. hasbro's looks good.. but this is incredible. with the prices of figures going up and some figures getting smaller, you'd think they'd have some room to pay attention to details. but they don't. it's a shame we don't get quality like this.


This stuff has been explained countless times guys. Takara and Hasbro don't function the same, and are 2 very different markets.

If I'm not mistaken, Takara prices per figure while Hasbro prices per case. Their Megatron might look better, but might cost more than the other figures in the line, where Hasbro aims to keep all the figures in the case the same price, and a low one at that. That's secodn hand knowledge, but I believe that's how it works.
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Posted by MGrotusque on October 15th, 2013 @ 8:41am CDT
I was gonna avoid this figure cause it's not like i need another Megatron figure but that Takara version looks great. Plus it looks awesome in both modes. I've always had a softspot for V wing bombers and i love that hot pink detailing against the black. Speaking of the black, that takara plastic is far more darker and glossy which really makes that figure pop. Bright black i guess you could say.
If i see it i'll quite possibly pick it up.
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Posted by mooncake623 on October 15th, 2013 @ 9:28am CDT
Oh WTH!! This looks great! And I just canceled my preorder....
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Posted by Optimizzy on October 15th, 2013 @ 9:38am CDT
Wow. I normally avoid imports, but this and Orion Pax makes me want to get the Takara versions.
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Posted by Diem on October 15th, 2013 @ 9:39am CDT
Lord Onixprime wrote:
TimothyR wrote:
xyl360 wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
#Sideways# wrote:Why does Japan have to get the best paintjobs... :BANG_HEAD:
Probably cuz Hasbro's gotta start theirs from scratch, whereas Takara has the existing Hasbro one to work off from as a base, and so can put more paint into theirs since they get to skip a few steps. Plus the mold's also already made for them, so that's another expense removed for them that Hasbro can't skip. :-B

I'm gonna call BS on this. It's a financial choice, plain and simple and I believe it has to do with their markets more than anything else. In Japan, action figures of this sort are expected to meet certain standards, which include the generous use of paint while here in the US we've gotten used to toys getting cheaper and cheaper with less going into them. If Hasbro wanted to use more paint, they could. Just look at the hand painted prototypes they use for their "official" images of the products for adverts and for the packaging. They paint those head to toe to make the figures look like they know we want them to look, then they cop out with the see-through colored plastic and figure that kids won't know the difference and that parents won't care.


i call BS as well.

it's not like takara is getting a bunch of hasbro figures.. opening the boxes and slapping on some paint.

i agree.. the markets are different. takara has more competition than hasbro. to me, it seems like hasbro tries to "get away with" a lot. whereas takara pays more attention to detail.

besides animated.. takara's figures almost always look better. some more than others.. hasbro's universe smokescreen compared to takara's is a great example.

this megatron is beautiful. hasbro's looks good.. but this is incredible. with the prices of figures going up and some figures getting smaller, you'd think they'd have some room to pay attention to details. but they don't. it's a shame we don't get quality like this.


This stuff has been explained countless times guys. Takara and Hasbro don't function the same, and are 2 very different markets.

If I'm not mistaken, Takara prices per figure while Hasbro prices per case. Their Megatron might look better, but might cost more than the other figures in the line, where Hasbro aims to keep all the figures in the case the same price, and a low one at that. That's secodn hand knowledge, but I believe that's how it works.


Okay, just to put this to sleep:

Assume that 1000 yen is 10 dollars. That's how it is right now and how it more or less has been for the past 5 or 6 years.

Right now while US fans are whinging about deluxe figures going for $15 in some places when I lived in Japan deluxes were going for 2000 yen RRP, or $20. Voyagers went for $30. Leaders for $70. And this was 4 years ago, it likely has gone up since then.

That price was regardless of whether they were Animated figures with brand new paintjobs and totally redesigned packaging, or movieverse figures with the exact same paint in the exact same packaging as the US.

It IS true that figures can be priced individually in Japan. For example almost all the animated deluxes were the same price while Samurai Prowl was around $5 more.

It IS true that Transformers are directed to be premium items now. For various social and financial reasons the physical toy market is dying in Japan, while the adult collectible market has never been better. While Transformers are still found in the toy section in Japan the buyers are far more likely to be adults.

What I would infer from this is that given the higher prices and the adult collectible market Takara is likely in a position where they can both afford a few new paint apps and see the benefit of doing so.

To sum up, the question "Why do Takara toys always have the better paint jobs" would be more accurately read as "Of course Takara's adult collectibles, which are twice the price of our American toys, have better paint jobs."
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Posted by Diem on October 15th, 2013 @ 9:40am CDT
Lord Onixprime wrote:
TimothyR wrote:
xyl360 wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
#Sideways# wrote:Why does Japan have to get the best paintjobs... :BANG_HEAD:
Probably cuz Hasbro's gotta start theirs from scratch, whereas Takara has the existing Hasbro one to work off from as a base, and so can put more paint into theirs since they get to skip a few steps. Plus the mold's also already made for them, so that's another expense removed for them that Hasbro can't skip. :-B

I'm gonna call BS on this. It's a financial choice, plain and simple and I believe it has to do with their markets more than anything else. In Japan, action figures of this sort are expected to meet certain standards, which include the generous use of paint while here in the US we've gotten used to toys getting cheaper and cheaper with less going into them. If Hasbro wanted to use more paint, they could. Just look at the hand painted prototypes they use for their "official" images of the products for adverts and for the packaging. They paint those head to toe to make the figures look like they know we want them to look, then they cop out with the see-through colored plastic and figure that kids won't know the difference and that parents won't care.


i call BS as well.

it's not like takara is getting a bunch of hasbro figures.. opening the boxes and slapping on some paint.

i agree.. the markets are different. takara has more competition than hasbro. to me, it seems like hasbro tries to "get away with" a lot. whereas takara pays more attention to detail.

besides animated.. takara's figures almost always look better. some more than others.. hasbro's universe smokescreen compared to takara's is a great example.

this megatron is beautiful. hasbro's looks good.. but this is incredible. with the prices of figures going up and some figures getting smaller, you'd think they'd have some room to pay attention to details. but they don't. it's a shame we don't get quality like this.


This stuff has been explained countless times guys. Takara and Hasbro don't function the same, and are 2 very different markets.

If I'm not mistaken, Takara prices per figure while Hasbro prices per case. Their Megatron might look better, but might cost more than the other figures in the line, where Hasbro aims to keep all the figures in the case the same price, and a low one at that. That's secodn hand knowledge, but I believe that's how it works.


Okay, just to put this to sleep:

Assume that 1000 yen is 10 dollars. That's how it is right now and how it more or less has been for the past 5 or 6 years.

Right now while US fans are whinging about deluxe figures going for $15 in some places when I lived in Japan deluxes were going for 2000 yen RRP, or $20. Voyagers went for $30. Leaders for $70. And this was 4 years ago, it likely has gone up since then.

That price was regardless of whether they were Animated figures with brand new paintjobs and totally redesigned packaging, or movieverse figures with the exact same paint in the exact same packaging as the US.

It IS true that figures can be priced individually in Japan. For example almost all the animated deluxes were the same price while Samurai Prowl was around $5 more.

It IS true that Transformers are directed to be premium items now. For various social and financial reasons the physical toy market is dying in Japan, while the adult collectible market has never been better. While Transformers are still found in the toy section in Japan the buyers are far more likely to be adults.

What I would infer from this is that given the higher prices and the adult collectible market Takara is likely in a position where they can both afford a few new paint apps and see the benefit of doing so.

To sum up, the question "Why do Takara toys always have the better paint jobs" would be more accurately read as "Of course Takara's adult collectibles, which are twice the price of our American toys, have better paint jobs."
Re: Clearer Images: Takara Tomy Transformers Generations TG-25 Orion Pax vs. Megatron (1523953)
Posted by xyl360 on October 15th, 2013 @ 9:42am CDT
Emerje wrote:Takara Tomy has really been slipping lately, though. Orion Pax is a 1:1 repaint of the Hasbro version with metallic paint and a blue windshield. Go! Hunter Smokescreen is lacking in paint aps compared to the BH version. Go! Predaking just slightly changed some color shades from the Hasbro version. Even going back to United Warpath didn't look as good as the Hasbro version and Thunderwing is in weird pastel colors.

Problem with the IDW figures is deciding who's doing a better job of representing the comics. It's was easier in previous series when you just had to decide if you wanted your figure to be accurate to the original figure or the cartoon version.

For the record I went with Takara Tomy for the Generations deluxe figures all the way through to Skywarp/Ratbat. After that I decided the changes between Takara Tomy and Hasbro weren't drastic enough to warrant importing. Only figures I'm importing now are the original Go! figures and Oni remolds.

Emerje

I agree on pretty much everything except Smokescreen. Takara's is way more screen accurate. Hasbro's "extra" paint apps screwed it up in my opinion.

That said, I also believe that Takara charges more for their figures because of things like the paint and in some cases the packaging. I don't mind that because I'm a collector, so I'm looking for the details, not the lowest price point. I'm sure that's a factor as well since a lot of what Takara does seems to cater more to collectors. Transformers isn't the only brand this happens with either. The Sentai stuff (Power Rangers in the US) often has the same issues where the Japanese versions have more painted details and sometimes even more complex/detailed engineering than their US counterparts. It really is a different market here and we don't put as much value on collecting toys/action figures as a whole I don't think compared to Japan. We put a higher value on big budget films and the music industry than anything else as far as what's popular I think, so that's where a lot more of our money goes (not us personally, just our society as a whole). I think our "geek" culture here in the US will eventually change this though, assuming we can still afford to keep buying toys.
Re: Clearer Images: Takara Tomy Transformers Generations TG-25 Orion Pax vs. Megatron (1523978)
Posted by TheCyclonus on October 15th, 2013 @ 10:51am CDT
Dang... and I thought the US one looked great. This one's just... :APPLAUSE:

Love the deeper black and the purple highlights. The red is a great touch too!
Re: Clearer Images: Takara Tomy Transformers Generations TG-25 Orion Pax vs. Megatron (1523987)
Posted by MINDVVIPE on October 15th, 2013 @ 11:30am CDT
This mould so needed to be a voyager. Especially since they repurposed it as Dreadwing. I'm not buying this because WFC Megatron is the best version in my collection so far, but I would have sprung for this awesome design of the size was there. Shame.
Also, the gun is kinda weak in looking like an actual gun. Another reason why I love the WFC version with its giant fusion cannon even more.

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