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Dairycon Reveals its first exclusive for 2012: NEOKNIGHT!

Transformers News: Dairycon Reveals its first exclusive for 2012: NEOKNIGHT!

Sunday, December 18th, 2011 3:09PM CST

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Excelsior Moo-Believers! Methusalen here, with big news from the first exclusive reveal for Dairycon 2012! A first for Dairycon exclusives, Neoknight is the very FIRST human character to receive their exclusive treatment!

NEOKNIGHT
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While he's officially named "Neoknight", you can read more about the character in this year's Dairycon Universe One-shot story, "Blackrock"... http://dairylandtransfans.com/fanfic2012n.html

Here's a comparison picture for those interested in seeing how our first human figure compares to the character's artwork:
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So, join us for your chance to get this unique Dairycon exclusive!
Dairycon 2012,
Ramada Plaza's Cryastal Ballroom,
Fond Du Lac, Wi
April 27th & 28th...

http://www.dairycon.com

Pre-Registration is now open!
http://www.dairycon.com
Credit(s): Dairycon
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Re: Dairycon Reveals its first exclusive for 2012: NEOKNIGHT! (1324753)
Posted by UltraPrimal on December 18th, 2011 @ 3:38pm CST
Isn't this just DC Infinite Heroes Commissioner Gordon?
Re: Dairycon Reveals its first exclusive for 2012: NEOKNIGHT! (1324757)
Posted by Mkall on December 18th, 2011 @ 3:45pm CST
That's kind of awesome actually
Re: Dairycon Reveals its first exclusive for 2012: NEOKNIGHT! (1324762)
Posted by Bumblevivisector on December 18th, 2011 @ 4:04pm CST
The only other custom I've seen of this guy is Zobovor's, made from a J. Jonah Jameson figure, but the pics of it are dead on his site.

Now, while this guy could've used some resculpting to make him look a bit less like a younger Commissioner Gordon, it does seem more appropriate for human TF characters to be in scale with 3.75" Joe and Marvel Legends figures. Has there been one in that scale of Tony Stark in a 3-piece suit instead of armor? That'd actually be more appropriate, since ol' G.B. was basically Tony without the alter-ego or substance abuse. No offense to Bob Budianski, of course; Blackrock is still among the best recurring human characters created for TF fiction. The little touch that makes Leadfoot the greatest entrant in the PCC line IMHO is his being sponsored by Blackrock Oil, so I'd say G.B. getting this sort of appreciation is long overdue, but coincides nicely with IDW reprinting his early appearances over the next year.
Re: Dairycon Reveals its first exclusive for 2012: NEOKNIGHT! (1324764)
Posted by First-Aid on December 18th, 2011 @ 4:04pm CST
This may be a great alternative to BotCon for those of us who can't go. It does kinda suck it's the same weekend though...
Re: Dairycon Reveals its first exclusive for 2012: NEOKNIGHT! (1324775)
Posted by Dark Ops on December 18th, 2011 @ 4:47pm CST
UltraPrimal wrote:Isn't this just DC Infinite Heroes Commissioner Gordon?


Yep. Some repainting, but otherwise a 1:1 mold copy. http://www.cooltoyreview.com/Mattel_DCIH_Gordon.asp
Re: Dairycon Reveals its first exclusive for 2012: NEOKNIGHT! (1324788)
Posted by Rated X on December 18th, 2011 @ 5:56pm CST
Who needs Botcon exclusives when I can have one of these !!! :lol:
Re: Dairycon Reveals its first exclusive for 2012: NEOKNIGHT! (1324810)
Posted by Chaoslock on December 18th, 2011 @ 6:52pm CST
Somebody transfer the fundings of Botcon to Dairycon, their exclusives are much better!
Re: Dairycon Reveals its first exclusive for 2012: NEOKNIGHT! (1324855)
Posted by dinogeist on December 18th, 2011 @ 9:07pm CST
I noticed the human figure G.B Blackrock's toy hair is parted to different sides in various pics. one pic show the human toy with hair parted to the right side. the other pic shows the human G.B Blackrock toy hair parted to the left side. I'm gonna guess the dairycon crew members used some photo shop program & flipped/rotated the pics.
Re: Dairycon Reveals its first exclusive for 2012: NEOKNIGHT! (1325089)
Posted by Warped Sky on December 19th, 2011 @ 2:54pm CST
Maybe the hair part is a variant! Wait until you see the Gold Lucky Draw Lunch Time Special Edition!
Re: Dairycon Reveals its first exclusive for 2012: NEOKNIGHT! (1325111)
Posted by First-Aid on December 19th, 2011 @ 4:18pm CST
Warped Sky wrote:Maybe the hair part is a variant! Wait until you see the Gold Lucky Draw Lunch Time Special Edition!


Is it the toilet Transformer? PLEASE let it be the toilet Transformer! :grin:
Re: Dairycon Reveals its first exclusive for 2012: NEOKNIGHT! (1325365)
Posted by Methusalen on December 20th, 2011 @ 1:49pm CST
The Toiletbot reissue was back in 2009... :)
Re: Dairycon Reveals its first exclusive for 2012: NEOKNIGHT! (1350031)
Posted by El Duque on February 21st, 2012 @ 3:26pm CST
For Immediate Release.

One Week to Go before PreReg ends, folks! If you haven't already signed up for Dairycon 2012, you may well consider doing so after this. Save yourself a bit of regret & fill out your PreReg Form TODAY!
http://dairylandtransfans.com/dtfdairycon12form.html


Dairycon Staffers today revealed what's in-store for those who PreRegister for the Con:

IN ADDITION to the previously announced Barn, NeoKnight, & Cosmoo (Seen at http://dairylandtransfans.com/2012fig.html ), we have an additional FIVE figures that will be available at this year's Dairycon Convention!


The Future Dairycons!
http://dairylandtransfans.com/2012fig2a.html

Awesum Possum
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Rally Rhino
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Burning Monkey
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Battle Bat
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The Cracker
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Oh. My. God. *FIVE* Figures?

Dairycon Staffers confirmed that, yes, there will be FIVE figures available to PreRegistrants who sign up for Dairycon.

No further information was given when we asked about how these would come (in a boxset, packaged individually, etc), however, they did say this: "Originally, the 'Battle Bat' figure was given (to another show) as our foreign market exclusive, and was not intended to be available at Dairycon. However, since there is Fan Demand for it, we will do our best to make sure that this figure is also available here as well."

With the previous reveals of Barn, CosMoo, and NeoKnight, seeing FIVE MORE figures at Dairycon is just... it's just....

Wow.

There's only one week to go! Register Today!

http://www.dairycon.com

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Dairycon Promotional Video #5
"Stars of Dairycon"


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Tired of your voice not being heard? Did your choice not get the recognition it truly deserved? Well no more Transfans! At the Dairycon Alcove of Honor *YOUR* voice can be heard!
http://dairylandtransfans.com/images/alcove.gif

http://dairylandtransfans.com/vote.html
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Re: Dairycon Reveals its first exclusive for 2012: NEOKNIGHT! (1350043)
Posted by OneConArmy on February 21st, 2012 @ 4:03pm CST
Only until I saw that Jetstorm repaint did I realize those are McDonalds toys. I have two original ones in my Legends box! :michaelbay:Pay no attention to Michael Bay, I just had to use it
Re: Dairycon Reveals its first exclusive for 2012: NEOKNIGHT! (1350108)
Posted by bluecatcinema on February 21st, 2012 @ 6:38pm CST
"Awesome Possum"? Sounds like somebody at Dairycon's a fan of a certain Bobcat...
Re: Dairycon Reveals its first exclusive for 2012: NEOKNIGHT! (1350134)
Posted by Megatron Wolf on February 21st, 2012 @ 8:04pm CST
i remember those guys, for happy meal toys they were pretty good. better than the crap thats past off as transformers these days, those actually transformed from a robot to an alt mode not just sit there and do nothing.
Re: Dairycon Reveals its first exclusive for 2012: NEOKNIGHT! (1350155)
Posted by Heavy B on February 21st, 2012 @ 9:09pm CST
oh man, BATTLE BAT. Now what mccdonalds toy could be shaped like a BAT I wonder...


:roll:
Re: Dairycon Reveals its first exclusive for 2012: NEOKNIGHT! (1350282)
Posted by Godzillabot Primal on February 22nd, 2012 @ 10:20am CST
What figure is the rhino?
Re: Dairycon Reveals its first exclusive for 2012: NEOKNIGHT! (1350295)
Posted by Heavy B on February 22nd, 2012 @ 10:57am CST
Godzillabot Maximus wrote:What figure is the rhino?

McCdonalds Beast Wars "Rhino"

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Re: Dairycon Reveals its first exclusive for 2012: NEOKNIGHT! (1350352)
Posted by Godzillabot Primal on February 22nd, 2012 @ 1:19pm CST
Dr. Heavy B wrote:
Godzillabot Maximus wrote:What figure is the rhino?

McCdonalds Beast Wars "Rhino"

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Thank you!
Re: Dairycon Reveals its first exclusive for 2012: NEOKNIGHT! (1350401)
Posted by Methusalen on February 22nd, 2012 @ 4:25pm CST
I love the fact that they've based the "Rally Rhinox" off the Rally's kid's meal Rhinox... http://fredsworkshop.com/vfastfood.html#rc
Re: Dairycon Reveals its first exclusive for 2012: NEOKNIGHT! (1353974)
Posted by Methusalen on March 1st, 2012 @ 2:58pm CST
Excelsior Moo Believers!

Methusalen here once again, with another fast-breaking news story!

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Pre-Registration for Dairycon 2012 ends TONIGHT (Mar. 1st) @ MIDNIGHT (EST)!

Are you looking for a fun excuse to head out and hang out with your fellow Transfans, participate in TF-themed events & games, win yourself one of your very own Dairycon Exclusives, or score a sweet haul; all without breaking the bank?

Then you should try our patented "Dairycon" brand fan convention! It's sure to cure your ills, give you thrills, & kosher dills (OK, so I don't know where I was going with that one :P )...


Held on April 27th & 28th at the historic Ramada Plaza's Crystal Ballroom in fabulous Fond Du Lac, Wisconsin! Attendance to the show is free, but Pre-Registration is required!!!! (In other words, if you don't fill out that Pre-Reg form, there's no getting into the show!)

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Want to know more, or get in on the discussions? Become a part of the group?

Check out our video presentations on Youtube, Facebook, or petition us on the Facebook group to join the not-so-secret Message Board group!

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The Alcove of Honor!
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There's not much time left to go before voting ends for the first Dairycon Alcove of Honor! Just like the Pre-Reg, the Voting for the Alcove ends at Midnight!

You don't have to vote for whoever's listed, but can write in your favorite candidate! ANYONE COULD WIN! :D
Re: Dairycon Reveals its first exclusive for 2012: NEOKNIGHT! (1354010)
Posted by gothsaurus on March 1st, 2012 @ 4:02pm CST
Ya know, I really wanna go to a Dairycon. These guys seem like they have a great sense of humor, fun ideas, and fun exclusives.

Kinda jealous... and bummed it's at the same time as botcon... and in another state.
Re: Dairycon Reveals its first exclusive for 2012: NEOKNIGHT! (1359455)
Posted by El Duque on March 18th, 2012 @ 12:12am CDT
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An announcement from Dairyon Regarding the current controversy involving 3rd party and other non-official TF products:


"We would like all of our dealers, fans and friends of Dairycon to know they can participate in our Show without having their items confiscated or removed. You can proceed with confidence knowing your official, 3rd party, customs, and other toys and materials are always welcome.

The Dairycon staff would also like to extend our warmest thanks to the great fans that make the convention what it is. You all help make Dairycon an incredible fan-friendly experience and we are eternally grateful.

We value all our fine dealers and friends who have attended and supported Dairycon throughout the years.

We are looking forward to seeing everyone at Dairycon 2012!"

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Regrettably, though registration for Dairycon 2012 is now closed, you can keep track of them on youtube, facebook, and on their website at http://www.dairycon.com

View & join them on their Facebook page at: https://www.facebook.com/groups/130895343606367/

Keep an eye out for further details about their upcoming show, and make sure to sign up for next year's show if you already missed out on this one!
Re: Dairycon Reveals its first exclusive for 2012: NEOKNIGHT! (1359461)
Posted by AutobotCliffjumper on March 18th, 2012 @ 12:24am CDT
Now that is what I call PR!
The TFCC could definitely take a page out of Dairycon's book.
Re: Dairycon Reveals its first exclusive for 2012: NEOKNIGHT! (1359464)
Posted by DISCHARGE on March 18th, 2012 @ 12:36am CDT
Dairycon is a blast, I got to meet Fender Bender and everyone was real friendly the year I went. It certainly didn't feel like money was the ultimate drive of the show. The exclusives for this year are unique and will be super limited, really how often do you run across someone on ebay selling their Dairycon stuff?
Not often, those things are extreme.
Re: Dairycon Reveals its first exclusive for 2012: NEOKNIGHT! (1359465)
Posted by El Duque on March 18th, 2012 @ 12:45am CDT
Well played Dairycon, well played.
Re: Dairycon Reveals its first exclusive for 2012: NEOKNIGHT! (1359469)
Posted by Beericade on March 18th, 2012 @ 1:12am CDT
Sounds like this is going to be the place to go. The best part is it is closer to us in Ohio.
Re: Dairycon Reveals its first exclusive for 2012: NEOKNIGHT! (1359474)
Posted by Flashwave on March 18th, 2012 @ 1:21am CDT
Oh for crying out loud, really?

There are much more diplomatic ways to have said that, instead of mocking TFCC. I mean, come on. Hasbro's got the right to protect their property, and yes, I buy the 3rd Party stuff too but the Transfomers are all their propewrty, just as Potter is still Rowling's even though she's done with them. TFCC is a child company, they HAVE to respect Hasbro's wishes, there's no other option.

You wanna win friends, Dairycon, you should have said something more perofessional, "Yes, as an unnoffical convention not affiliated with Hasbro or TT, we do allow other items into the Vendor Hall and will continue to do so."
Re: Dairycon Reveals its first exclusive for 2012: NEOKNIGHT! (1359477)
Posted by Rated X on March 18th, 2012 @ 1:26am CDT
:APPLAUSE: :APPLAUSE: :APPLAUSE: :APPLAUSE: :APPLAUSE: :APPLAUSE:

MOOOOOOOOOOVVVVVE OVER BOTCON !!!!
Re: Dairycon Reveals its first exclusive for 2012: NEOKNIGHT! (1359478)
Posted by G1 Legacy on March 18th, 2012 @ 1:27am CDT
Alright! Ascertive move from Dairy-con. Good stuff. :APPLAUSE:
Re: Dairycon Reveals its first exclusive for 2012: NEOKNIGHT! (1359487)
Posted by Kung Fu Man on March 18th, 2012 @ 2:56am CDT
Flashwave wrote:Oh for crying out loud, really?
You wanna win friends, Dairycon, you should have said something more perofessional, "Yes, as an unnoffical convention not affiliated with Hasbro or TT, we do allow other items into the Vendor Hall and will continue to do so."


Well like it or not, Botcon is competition of sorts, so going out and saying "Yeah, we're not going to do like certain other guys are doing" is just standard PR, not to mention it was brought up a few times in other threads whether or not other conventions would follow suit, so it's not like the question wasn't asked.
Re: Dairycon Reveals its first exclusive for 2012: NEOKNIGHT! (1359501)
Posted by bionic_radical on March 18th, 2012 @ 5:40am CDT
Flashwave wrote:Oh for crying out loud, really?

There are much more diplomatic ways to have said that, instead of mocking TFCC. I mean, come on. Hasbro's got the right to protect their property, and yes, I buy the 3rd Party stuff too but the Transfomers are all their propewrty, just as Potter is still Rowling's even though she's done with them. TFCC is a child company, they HAVE to respect Hasbro's wishes, there's no other option.

You wanna win friends, Dairycon, you should have said something more perofessional, "Yes, as an unnoffical convention not affiliated with Hasbro or TT, we do allow other items into the Vendor Hall and will continue to do so."


I agree, it could have been stated better. You can't have your club name printed on official products and support 3rd parties. Fun Pub has no other choice.

I'm sure there is a bit of animosity still, with Botcon throwing out an early con and overlapping Dairycon due to Joecon and the anniversary, and those things associated. Competition is ugly. But did Botcon state no 3rd parties before pre-reg? In my opinion, it's common sense that these items wouldn't be in any ways promoted or encouraged, but to have them confiscated on any level should have been addressed before registration opened.
Re: Dairycon Reveals its first exclusive for 2012: NEOKNIGHT! (1359525)
Posted by Blitz krieg on March 18th, 2012 @ 8:22am CDT
Flashwave wrote:Oh for crying out loud, really?

There are much more diplomatic ways to have said that, instead of mocking TFCC. I mean, come on. Hasbro's got the right to protect their property, and yes, I buy the 3rd Party stuff too but the Transfomers are all their propewrty, just as Potter is still Rowling's even though she's done with them. TFCC is a child company, they HAVE to respect Hasbro's wishes, there's no other option.

You wanna win friends, Dairycon, you should have said something more perofessional, "Yes, as an unnoffical convention not affiliated with Hasbro or TT, we do allow other items into the Vendor Hall and will continue to do so."



done splitting hairs man?

to be honest i see nothing wroung with dairycon dishing out some harmless ribbing at hasbros expense.

and if it eanrs them a few extra brownie points wiht the fan community thats good too


only stuff i buy anymore hasro wise is the comics and the dvd sets overtime but i go with third party figures all the way for my collection.
Re: Dairycon Reveals its first exclusive for 2012: NEOKNIGHT! (1359527)
Posted by Blitz krieg on March 18th, 2012 @ 8:27am CDT
bionic_radical wrote:
Flashwave wrote:Oh for crying out loud, really?

There are much more diplomatic ways to have said that, instead of mocking TFCC. I mean, come on. Hasbro's got the right to protect their property, and yes, I buy the 3rd Party stuff too but the Transfomers are all their propewrty, just as Potter is still Rowling's even though she's done with them. TFCC is a child company, they HAVE to respect Hasbro's wishes, there's no other option.

You wanna win friends, Dairycon, you should have said something more perofessional, "Yes, as an unnoffical convention not affiliated with Hasbro or TT, we do allow other items into the Vendor Hall and will continue to do so."


I agree, it could have been stated better. You can't have your club name printed on official products and support 3rd parties. Fun Pub has no other choice.

I'm sure there is a bit of animosity still, with Botcon throwing out an early con and overlapping Dairycon due to Joecon and the anniversary, and those things associated. Competition is ugly. But did Botcon state no 3rd parties before pre-reg? In my opinion, it's common sense that these items wouldn't be in any ways promoted or encouraged, but to have them confiscated on any level should have been addressed before registration opened.



i gotta agree with you on that man

as they say it takes one to sling mud and two to fight dirty and they chose to fight dirty so they deserve some negative reaction from the fanbase and if dairycon comes out looking better its all good in my book

as they say alls fair in love and war
Re: Dairycon Reveals its first exclusive for 2012: NEOKNIGHT! (1359540)
Posted by Flux Convoy on March 18th, 2012 @ 9:17am CDT
Hey look at us! Sure, promote your con. Just do it without petulance wrapped in feigned sincerity. :roll:
Re: Dairycon Reveals its first exclusive for 2012: NEOKNIGHT! (1359555)
Posted by Court Jester on March 18th, 2012 @ 10:15am CDT
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Not taking their talents to South Beach!
Re: Dairycon Reveals its first exclusive for 2012: NEOKNIGHT! (1359560)
Posted by First-Aid on March 18th, 2012 @ 10:39am CDT
I am utterly ashamed to be a Transfan right now. Seriously, I haven't seen such a bunch of crybabies since I finished my Labor and Delivery rotation. DairyCon can do what they want. Fun Pub can do what they want. The third parties CAN'T. Why? Because Hasbro has decided to protect its intellectual properties in a way that we haven't seen them do before. And you know what? The LAW is on their side. Third party companies- though immensely cool in what they have accomplished- have done so with something that Hasbro and Takara have legal possession of under International Law. These companies HAD to know that this was going to happen eventually. It would be ignorant otherwise. Maybe the plan was to make as much as they could before Hasbro finally brought the hammer down...I don't know. But what they have been doing is tantamount to stealing. And they had to know that punishment was coming.
Re: Dairycon Reveals its first exclusive for 2012: NEOKNIGHT! (1359568)
Posted by Blitz krieg on March 18th, 2012 @ 10:57am CDT
figure wise i dont eve bother with buying hasbros stuff anymore

transformers figure wise i buy all my stuff through fellow fans on the usual websites

for the most part though at least 75% of my collection is thrid party stuff

hasbro wants to protect their copyrights i got no problem with that but their nuts if they think they speak for the entire fan base on the matter or if they think they can decide the matter for any of us as collectors

their will always be fans willing to go out on a limb to pic k up the slack in providing the collectors in the fanbase with what they want figure wise when hasro/takaratomy cant or wont.

so long as thrid party groups continue to do so in a reasonable respectful manner where the law is concerned i see nothing wrong with this or that third party group providing a collector in the fanbase with a actual choice in the matter

the way hasbro acts sometimes though you would think they were upset cause someone managed to beat them to the punch on a idea over time. or because that group upstaged them in making the better figure in thier way.

only stuffi buy from hasbro are the comics and the dvd sets to be honest
Re: Dairycon Reveals its first exclusive for 2012: NEOKNIGHT! (1359657)
Posted by Dark Ops on March 18th, 2012 @ 2:10pm CDT
I think the people calling "crybaby" are missing the big bone of contention: Confiscation.

It's one thing to be turned away, and it's quite another to have your stuff taken away. Is the law on their side when it comes to protecting IP? Sure. Is it on their side with seizing property? Doubtful.
Re: Dairycon Reveals its first exclusive for 2012: NEOKNIGHT! (1359682)
Posted by Blitz krieg on March 18th, 2012 @ 2:53pm CDT
my same thoughts exactly man

anyone tries stealing my stuff at a con is gonna need a ambulance at the very elast
Re: Dairycon Reveals its first exclusive for 2012: NEOKNIGHT! (1359698)
Posted by LiKwid on March 18th, 2012 @ 3:19pm CDT
El Duque wrote:Well played Dairycon, well played.


My thoughts exactly...I got a kick out of this :lol:
Re: Dairycon Reveals its first exclusive for 2012: NEOKNIGHT! (1359790)
Posted by TransformersEmporium on March 18th, 2012 @ 8:28pm CDT
Woo Hoo, DairyCon...If only you were a lil closer to Florida, lol..
Still we admire your stance on standing up for the TF fans in this regard.


:BOWDOWN: :DANCE: :BOWDOWN: :DANCE: :BOWDOWN: :DANCE: :BOWDOWN: :DANCE: :BOWDOWN:
Re: Dairycon Reveals its first exclusive for 2012: NEOKNIGHT! (1359817)
Posted by Stumpybot on March 18th, 2012 @ 9:50pm CDT
can people seriously lay of the stupid juice please? i mean it, its just embarrassing now

Botcon arent going to confiscate third party toys from fans at the con, im pretty sure nobody said theyre going to do it and they CANT DO IT ANYWAY!!! ITS ILLEGAL!!! They cant add in caveats to attendee rules, they cant force you to hand over your merchandise, they can just stop sellers selling third party, thats it. And anybody who considers this THAT big a deal, i suggest you stay at home, quit moaning and stick to buying the toys online like we all do the other 362 days a year that botcon isnt on

they banned the promotion and sale of third party toys, thats it.

Dairycon are probably sick of everybody asking about this, hence the statement

Thank god we arent dealing with this crap for Auto Assembly
Re: Dairycon Reveals its first exclusive for 2012: NEOKNIGHT! (1359822)
Posted by TransformersEmporium on March 18th, 2012 @ 10:02pm CDT
You should seriously do a lil research. They said in no uncertain terms,and its in the contract all dealers had to sign. All 3rd party items will be taken and made the property of Hasbro and or given to authorities. Sellers will be escorted out and possibly perm banned from ever attending again. Not That I give much of a crap about personally, cause I only go as a fan I get my stuff direct from my own suppliers, but its still messed up.
Re: Dairycon Reveals its first exclusive for 2012: NEOKNIGHT! (1359824)
Posted by Stumpybot on March 18th, 2012 @ 10:11pm CDT
yeah i knew this. Ive been following this for weeks and i really dont understand the fuss. dealers just dont take third party items to sell on the floor. If they do, theyre morons. it doesnt say attendees arent allowed to have in their possession a third party item, just that dealers are boned if they sell or advertise any

all i meant was that they cant confiscate items from attendees. Everybody that has registered as an ATTENDEE agreed to terms of condition, which did not specify this, therefore nobody can/will retroactively change this, as legally nobody has agreed to it.

Sellers obviously have to in order to attend Botcon, im not arguing that point, thats simple stuff. theyve been told not to bring the third party items, so they shouldnt.
Re: Dairycon Reveals its first exclusive for 2012: NEOKNIGHT! (1359834)
Posted by Bowspearer on March 18th, 2012 @ 10:29pm CDT
Alas poor Dairycon, I knew it well. This move is sadly goes to show the difference between bravery and stupidity. If Hasbro have had enough, then considering FP's relationship with Hasbro, they could very easily find themselves in legal hot water.

TransformersEmporium wrote:You should seriously do a lil research. They said in no uncertain terms,and its in the contract all dealers had to sign. All 3rd party items will be taken and made the property of Hasbro and or given to authorities. Sellers will be escorted out and possibly perm banned from ever attending again. Not That I give much of a crap about personally, cause I only go as a fan I get my stuff direct from my own suppliers, but its still messed up.


And so they should be. It's like blatantly trying to pass of counterfeit banknotes as real money in a bank and deposit it into your account. If anyone tried it on in that situation or in any other bootlegging situation involving dealings with a large company, they'd wind up before a judge being charged with fraud and very shortly afterwards, behind bars and playing "pick up the soap". Dealers who try and sell third party TFs and KOs there should count themselves lucky that having their counterfeit toys confiscated and being banned from BotCon is the worst they'll face in terms of repercussions.

Then again, the fact that they're handed over to authorities means that maybe said dealers will be prosectued, which might actually give 3rd party dealers a badly needed wake-up call!

As this proves, they're not going after attendees and so they wont be affected by this. Dealers meanwhile who take banned items into the convention signing contracts saying they'll be confiscated (what are they going to argue in a court of law? "Your Honor, Botcon unlawfully took my illegal bootleg toys"? Give me a break).
Re: Dairycon Reveals its first exclusive for 2012: NEOKNIGHT! (1359837)
Posted by TransformersEmporium on March 18th, 2012 @ 10:37pm CDT
Dude, go to bed. Or call Hasbro and let them know how much you love them. You started a conversation about details I never wanted to discuss, and that goes for the rest of you. If you dont have something pos to say. Dont you dare comment back on anything Ive said. Your all acting like a bunch of wanna be lawyers who act as if your getting ready to take your bar exam. For Christs sake. move on.. You don't like 3rd party toys, wonderful, more for me!!! If you do, congrats, we agree. But to set here and argue is a real arsewipe thing to do, and Im done with you all. Minus the real fans.. And ohhhh yes.. I meant the real fans. The ones that are here just wanting to be heard and not pretend their freaking Perry mason. lol. Night..
Re: Dairycon Reveals its first exclusive for 2012: NEOKNIGHT! (1359849)
Posted by Bowspearer on March 18th, 2012 @ 11:03pm CDT
TransformersEmporium wrote:Dude, go to bed. Or call Hasbro and let them know how much you love them. You started a conversation about details I never wanted to discuss, and that goes for the rest of you. If you dont have something pos to say. Dont you dare comment back on anything Ive said. Your all acting like a bunch of wanna be lawyers who act as if your getting ready to take your bar exam. For Christs sake. move on.. You don't like 3rd party toys, wonderful, more for me!!! If you do, congrats, we agree. But to set here and argue is a real arsewipe thing to do, and Im done with you all. Minus the real fans.. And ohhhh yes.. I meant the real fans. The ones that are here just wanting to be heard and not pretend their freaking Perry mason. lol. Night..


In other words, you're acting illegally, you know it, you have no retort and so you're now trash talking people- then again, considering you resorted to eugenic slurs in another thread by calling anyone who disagreed with you "handicapped", it's hardly anything new for you.

As for the discussion let's recap. You came in, defending your secondary bread and butter, got called out on it and resorted to insults when you saw your position was untenable, putting the final nail in the coffin by going to "real fan" territory.

You then posted a link to this thread in the other thread where this was happening, not only making those who might not be aware of it aware of it, but in doing so, making them aware of this discussion.

What you fail to grasp is that you don't have to be a lawyer here to see what's going on- just have a clear understanding of the underlying ethics.

Now I get why that would be devastating for you and your business - as from what I can tell of the vast majority of your posts (both in terms of you defending bootlegs and plugging your site where you sell them) your plan in joining here was to try and drum up business for your site (which is fair enough on your part).

However what you clearly weren't counting on and what you need to accept is that when you trade in dodgy merchandise, which KOs are, that while some people wont care, others will have ethical concerns and will call you out on it- that's entirely their right.

This may be an alien concept to you, but society expects adults to be accountable- that's all the new Botcon dealer T&C forces dealers to be.
Re: Dairycon Reveals its first exclusive for 2012: NEOKNIGHT! (1359863)
Posted by Slayershoop on March 18th, 2012 @ 11:40pm CDT
Bowspearer wrote:
TransformersEmporium wrote:Dude, go to bed. Or call Hasbro and let them know how much you love them. You started a conversation about details I never wanted to discuss, and that goes for the rest of you. If you dont have something pos to say. Dont you dare comment back on anything Ive said. Your all acting like a bunch of wanna be lawyers who act as if your getting ready to take your bar exam. For Christs sake. move on.. You don't like 3rd party toys, wonderful, more for me!!! If you do, congrats, we agree. But to set here and argue is a real arsewipe thing to do, and Im done with you all. Minus the real fans.. And ohhhh yes.. I meant the real fans. The ones that are here just wanting to be heard and not pretend their freaking Perry mason. lol. Night..


In other words, you're acting illegally, you know it, you have no retort and so you're now trash talking people- then again, considering you resorted to eugenic slurs in another thread by calling anyone who disagreed with you "handicapped", it's hardly anything new for you.

As for the discussion let's recap. You came in, defending your secondary bread and butter, got called out on it and resorted to insults when you saw your position was untenable, putting the final nail in the coffin by going to "real fan" territory.

You then posted a link to this thread in the other thread where this was happening, not only making those who might not be aware of it aware of it, but in doing so, making them aware of this discussion.

What you fail to grasp is that you don't have to be a lawyer here to see what's going on- just have a clear understanding of the underlying ethics.

Now I get why that would be devastating for you and your business - as from what I can tell of the vast majority of your posts (both in terms of you defending bootlegs and plugging your site where you sell them) your plan in joining here was to try and drum up business for your site (which is fair enough on your part).

However what you clearly weren't counting on and what you need to accept is that when you trade in dodgy merchandise, which KOs are, that while some people wont care, others will have ethical concerns and will call you out on it- that's entirely their right.

This may be an alien concept to you, but society expects adults to be accountable- that's all the new Botcon dealer T&C forces dealers to be.


We are getting a bit off topic here...

Anyway, props to Dairycon, that cracked me up, and as a convention that takes nothing seriously, this is perfectly in line with what they do.

Now, for my two cents of the whole third party thing.

1. KO's and 3rd party products are two entirely different things, you may find your opinion otherwise, but for the most part, it's true. The goal of most 3rd parties is to fill the gap for collectors that Hasbro and Takara Tomy will not. That has always been the goal and will always be the goal. KO companies's goal is to cheaply and illegally copy an existing design from a copyright holder. This is THE fundamental difference. So let's cover specifics

2. 3rd party figures are not IP holder designs: This is clearly the case, now there are some exceptions to this statement, mostly pertaining to iGear, namely, Faith Leader and the MP Seekers. However, let's look at this on a whole: City Commander, an armor add-on for Ultra Magnus, making him look vaguely like his G1 incarnation, now, not speaking for Hasbro here, but it was a pretty good bet that Hasbro would never release something like that, why? It's not really cost effective for them. TFC Hercules, A six figure combining team, made out of voyager sized robots. Recently, the closest we have seen to this is five deluxes or a bunch of duplo like limbs. Once again, targeting the core market for them, children. These designs are created and manufactured by independent companies, Hasbro can lay no claim whatsoever to the designs, they are not named after Hasbro products, nor do they contain any Hasbro product within.

3. Hasbro is for kids, 3rd party is for collectors: Hasbro has stated multiple times that their market is for children, that the vast majority of their profit is from children. 3rd party companies are aimed at adult collectors, supposedly a small portion of the overall market for Transformers. We have also seen recently, that despite the current economic status, they do continually post a profit each fiscal quarter. So if we are to interpret this information, 3rd party has not made Hasbro fall into the red, now, there is no way of knowing if it has cut into profits, if any at all, due to how many variables there are. However, if we, as collectors, are such a small margin, it should not be affecting Hasbro's bottom line.

4. KO's are wrong, but 3rd parties are a grey area: Let's face it, KO's are wrong, and I give Hasbro every right to go after them, in fact, I encourage it. 3rd parties...this is a bit hard to say. Original designs only vaguely reminiscent of something else are always a grey area. It doesn't help that they are not using copyrighted names, art, or anything really. Yes, they are based off of something, but the same can be argued for just about anything else: Transformers drew from Diaclone, Micromachines, etc. (owned by Hasbro I know), but, they also were pretty clearly influenced by Gundam, Macross and the like. In my opinion, Hasbro pursuing 3rd parties, and winning the lawsuits, may set a very dangerous precedent where everyone can sue anyone for being based off of or looking like something else. For instance, Guilty Crowne, Code Geass, Eureka Seven, Tiger and Bunny to an Extent, Gundam, Full Metal Panic!, Marcross and many others all have designs that can be considered similar to each other, and an uneducated judge or jury may not be able to tell the difference. All hold individual IP, if Hasbro won, all would have grounds, if they decided to capitalize on it.

It's not as if Hasbro isn't impressed either, it has been shown repeatedly at TFCon (I don't know about Botcon personally) that both sides have mutual respect. Hasbro reps were extremely impressed with 3rd parties, and for the most part, Hasbro is held in an almost reverence. So there seems, for the most part, to be no bad blood.

So I guess it boils down to: KO, go after it by all means. 3rd parties, tread carefully on both sides.

I have a deep respect for Hasbro and most 3rd parties. I understand Hasbro's concern, but having FunPub write the policy was not the best decision in any means. While this is unfortunate that 3rd party products are banned at BotCon, and I personally will never attend one now (no 3rd party is not the reason however), I can understand the reasoning. This being said, I support 3rd parties, and hope this will resolve itself in a way where they can stick around.

Enough rambling from me, time to go get goofy with some Fourze ;)^
Re: Dairycon Reveals its first exclusive for 2012: NEOKNIGHT! (1359871)
Posted by Fender Bender on March 18th, 2012 @ 11:54pm CDT
Wow, some people take this whole hobby a little too seriously. It's basically become an Identifier of Dairycon to make fun of this hobby. If we didn't make fun of things that happen with in the fandom, people would think something was wrong! :lol:

For example, since the serious version of the Hall of Fame has taken off, we did the Alcove of Honor as a parody. Click here to see who the nominees are. I mean, how can you not laugh at those nominees?

Read the fan fic or just look at the exclusives. Just try taking a gander at the stuff before getting all uppity about the announcement.

Hell, if Botcon announced that Coca Cola were an official sponsor, we would endorse Pepsi. Not because we hate Botcon, but because it's funny. ;)

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