Free Comic Book Day Transformers vs. G.I. Joe #0 Preview
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Posted by KnightStrike on May 2nd, 2014 @ 5:11am CDT
Posted by Dr Va'al on May 2nd, 2014 @ 5:15am CDT
Posted by Bumblevivisector on May 2nd, 2014 @ 8:25am CDT
KnightStrike wrote:Is this artwork indicative of what this title's regular issues will look like? If so I am going to steer far clear of it as it looks like an attempt to get an 80s comic vibe that ended up just being bad. Also, what is up with Snake Eyes pulling off his mask and talking?Yeah, to me an unmasked, verbal Snake Eyes implies this series will be as unenjoyable as that '90s Pink Panther cartoon where PP could talk. Yes, in every universe he was able to talk before whatever given accident(s) mutilated him, but that's usually unexplored to give a sense of mystery/sympathy/epic/etc.
That and the consistency of this art "style" reenforces the theory that IDW is just going to use this title as a 'dumping-continuity' for every strange experiment they want to explore the merits of while not risking damage to their established universes.
And yet, I will end up buying this mess just to see proof that no matter how f@%#ed up any of their titles get, IDW will persevere.
Posted by Dr Va'al on May 2nd, 2014 @ 9:03am CDT
Bumblevivisector wrote:And yet, I will end up buying this mess just to see proof that no matter how f@%#ed up any of their titles get, IDW will persevere.
This one's free.
Posted by TheCrookedMan on May 2nd, 2014 @ 9:06am CDT
Posted by Bumblevivisector on May 2nd, 2014 @ 10:19am CDT
Va'al wrote:The mess in question will extend throughout the new ongoing, at regular price.Bumblevivisector wrote:And yet, I will end up buying this mess just to see proof that no matter how f@%#ed up any of their titles get, IDW will persevere.
This one's free.
Posted by T-Macksimus on May 2nd, 2014 @ 11:46pm CDT
Bumblevivisector wrote:Va'al wrote:The mess in question will extend throughout the new ongoing, at regular price.Bumblevivisector wrote:And yet, I will end up buying this mess just to see proof that no matter how f@%#ed up any of their titles get, IDW will persevere.
This one's free.
And yet you couldn't PAY me to take this one. I was almost willing to go pick it up for free and give it a shot but after looking at the preview once again, my moment of insanity passed and I realized it wasn't worth wasting the gas to head to the mall even if the trip is mostly down hill. I picked up every single incarnation of the TF/GI Joe crossovers and I even still have the G1 Marvel issues of them too. This, however, will not be joining those other issues. This IS NOT GI Joe by any stretch and certainly not Transformers except on the loosest level of fan-fiction. This makes Bay's use of "artistic license" in his films actually forgivable.
I know, I know, if you don't have anything nice to say then STFU and I will say that while I may not have any love whatsoever for it, I would urge folks to pick up this free issue and, if at all possible, pick up past Joe/TF crossovers. The older the better. Even the one set in WWI (or was it WWII) era and compare those to this issue. I'll let folks make their own informed choices and form their own opinions. If anyone has any questions about previous Joe comics there are plenty (or at least enough) of us on here that are fairly well versed in the GI Joe Universe that we could answer anything you non-Joe fans could come up with.
Posted by 1984forever on May 3rd, 2014 @ 12:27pm CDT
Posted by Darth Jumpy on May 3rd, 2014 @ 8:21pm CDT
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Posted by daningotham on May 6th, 2014 @ 10:19pm CDT
Posted by Dr Va'al on June 8th, 2014 @ 10:58am CDT
[quote]Before we dive into the issue, I’ll ask this: why do a #0 issue instead of a #1?
Tom Scioli: That way you get to have two first issues instead of just one.
John Barber: We’d planned out the early version of the story, as it would launch with issue one…Well, wait, let me back up. I should say Tom planned it out—he built a really detailed outline. But then it came up at IDW to do Transformers vs. G.I. Joe as our gold Free Comic Book Day comic. I guess we could have just used what would’ve been issue one, but I think Tom and I both felt like that wouldn’t work…I mean, then you’d be launching the regular series with #2, essentially.
I think Tom suggested doing a G.I. Joe mission where they run into the Transformers—like, anchor it to the G.I. Joe squad, as opposed to an all-out, full-scale mixing of the two—make it a G.I. Joe story where you’re with them and you meet the Transformers for the first time, but they only sort of realize what you see. I think the initial idea was a little more real-world, but I suggested doing something with the creeper bombs that Tom had already been talking about…and after a while, it turned into the final battle between G.I. Joe and Cobra. Which, at the scale this comic operates, is the prologue.
What’s the overall reaction been to the debut? I know what readers were saying at my local shop (loved it), but do you feel like the Free Comic Book Day premiere served the book well?
TS: It basically changed my life. There were a massive number of books in circulation, dwarfing any previous project I’d worked on. I was in Toronto for Free Comic Book Day along with Ed Piskor, and stayed for TCAF the following weekend. Being able to sign piles of books then have people tell you how much they loved it a week later was great. We were the toast of the town.
JB: Wow. I was just excited Gerard Way liked it. I’ve heard a lot of good things. I think my life is largely the same, but hey, we’ll see how it goes. I’m very, very pleased with the reaction. I saw, and actually still am seeing, a ton of people on Twitter just loving the comic.
For the uninitiated to the GI Joe universe, this issue provided them a very clear guide to who these characters are, and what their motivations and personalities entail. Will readers get a clearer view of the Transformers side of the book in the future?
JB: It’s important to me, for anything but especially for a Free Comic Book Day comic, that this comic is accessible. Ted Adams over here at IDW was very concerned before we started that this comic would be clear to somebody that hasn’t got a master’s degree in Transformers and G.I. Joe. There are times where you can get a little more inside-baseball on some stuff, I think…but FCBD isn’t the place.
After we finished the issue, he read a PDF of it and called me and..I don’t know if you noticed, but this comic is a little unusual. So I didn’t know how Ted – how anybody – would react. I mean, up to this, it was Tom, me, Carlos Guzman (our editor), and Michael Kelly and the team at Hasbro who’d seen it – but I’d only talked to Michael about it, from the Hasbro side. So the first person I see reading it is Ted, the owner of IDW.
And the first thing he said was that it was totally accessible. And it’s funny, because as far out as the story goes, as complicated as the formal aspects of the comic are, it does walk you into this world. “Here’s what G.I. Joe is; here’s who Snake Eyes, Scarlett, Duke, everybody is. And what’s this mystery of the Transformers?”
So, ah, yeah—that’s exactly the plan with the Transformers, too. I don’t want to count on anybody having everything about the characters memorized… but if you do know everything, I think you’re in for a fun ride, too.
TS: The balance in this issue is a little more on the Joe side than the Transformers side. That balance will vary from issue to issue. The issue we’re currently working on, #2, is very Transformers-heavy.
While many, if not most, of the readers of this series had the opportunity to pick up the issue on Free Comic Book Day, some will be entering #1 with totally fresh eyes. Will the first issue be a traditional “setting up the book” story, or will it jump in a little faster, due to the #0 issue?
TS: I treat each issue as a stand-alone mini-movie, but like the Marvel movies with bits and pieces carry over from chapter to chapter. Each one is a complete reading experience, a complete aesthetic experience for that matter. That extends to the look of the book, too. The art is very different in issue #1, although still related to the art in this issue. It’s a new look for my work that I’m very excited about sharing with the world. I think some people will be blown away by it.
JB: Yeah, this is a prologue issue, not an if-you-missed-it-you’re-out-of-luck issue. Issue 1 is issue 1. If you’d never read any comic at all, issue 1 is a good point to jump in to the medium. But wherever you’re coming from, things have changed by the time issue 1 occurs, so it’s not like we’ll be going over the same set-up—the status quo is different by the time #1 starts, so in a way, everybody’s on the same footing coming in to the issue.[/quote]
Posted by Downbeat on June 8th, 2014 @ 12:08pm CDT
Posted by Dr Va'al on June 8th, 2014 @ 12:18pm CDT
Posted by 1984forever on June 8th, 2014 @ 1:46pm CDT
Posted by Dead Metal on June 9th, 2014 @ 12:12pm CDT
I just decided to read it, and well, surprise, surprise I still hated it.
I like the idea that it's it's own take and unconnected to the main TF and GI Joe comics, but that's all it has really.
The art is bad, it does not remind me of Silver Age comics, it reminds me more of Super Jail. But unlike Super Jail it's not crazy or disgusting enough to make it cool, that and it's not animated like it's an ADHD kid on sugar and coffee.
The only thing remotely similar to Silver Age comics is, that it reads like a bad Silver Age comic, back when they didn't care for what they where doing, and the Code dictated that they could not have multi part stories and thus had to compress everything into one issue, which didn't every time.
The Transformers speech bubbles suck too, the stupid squiggly lines, seriously, the Transformers squiggly line for "And fine somewhere to hide" is longer than the one for "No you're my Golden Ticket to Bigger Things. My key to the Decepticon elite. You're the lure I'm going to use to draw Optimus Prime out of hiding."
Some panels do look like Kirby, but those where like two or three panels in the entire issue.
Posted by Dr Va'al on June 11th, 2014 @ 12:36pm CDT
[quote]The new ongoing series will be told in stand-alone issues, with each featuring "life, death, love, hate, mechanical aliens from space." Scioli and Barber spoke with CBR News about "Transformers vs. G.I. Joe" #1, explaining how Megatron functions as the series' Darkseid, how Scioli is playing with readers, why Doctor Venom should get his own series and much more about their nontraditional approach to both franchises.
CBR News: First off -- did Bumblebee make it out alive from "Transformers vs. G.I. Joe" #0, the FCBD issue?
Barber: Well, he didn't look very good on that last page, did he? I think we might have to wait and see.
Scioli: Life and death have a different, not-quite-analogous definition for Cybertronians.
You said in our last interview that these stories will be single-issue stories. What are the benefits and challenges to writing one-issue stories?
Barber: Every issue stands on its own, but they definitely flow into each other. I think the rhythms of the series will start to be clearer as the series progresses, but really -- if all you did in life was read any single issue of "Transformers vs. G.I. Joe." I think you'd have had a pretty satisfying life. It's all there in every issue -- life, death, love, hate, mechanical aliens from space.
It's really a matter of taking an approach where every single issue is a whole unit. Not every issue is going to feel the same. I think the best comics are like that, sometimes. Every issue of this comic will have a personality. If you like one, you'll probably like the rest, I hope, but every one will have it's own idiosyncrasies.
The Free Comic Book Day #0 issue was very G.I. Joe-heavy; issue #1 is also very much from the point of view of the G.I. Joe team (but, believe me, is not lacking in Transformers), and then issue #2 switches it up completely.
Scioli: The major benefit is long-term goodwill. The readers will know that when they purchase their issue, they'll get a complete entertainment experience that they will want to repeat. The challenge is fitting all the story beats, and have them unfold in a natural manner, in a set number of pages. With my webcomics, I had the flexibility of having any give chapter being however many pages it took: 20, 14, 100. I do like the creative problem solving that's required for a rigid format. Jack [Kirby] and Stan [Lee] did all of those early epic "Fantastic Four" sagas in 20 pages. I'm not just talking about the to-be-continued soap operas from the middle issues, I'm talking about the self-contained stories in the first 20 or so issues.[/quote]
Posted by Black Bumblebee on June 11th, 2014 @ 1:12pm CDT
Posted by Amelie on June 11th, 2014 @ 3:04pm CDT
I really love the art style. I see what they've gone for with it and appreciate it. Spon on and very quirky. The fact its single-issue stories is a nice idea, too - the idea of tracking down back issues is what puts me off RID and MTMTE.[/color]
Posted by Dr Va'al on June 18th, 2014 @ 6:43am CDT
“Some missions are so secret, so sensitive, so serious that as far as America’s concerned--they never occurred. The agents sent on these classified missions are code-named Seibertron Comics Staff.”
---INITIATE REVIEW(ish) THING
As the saying goes, ‘these are not your father’s ________________’ -fill in the blank with whatever pop culture item, sports team, or ‘other’ that might be relevant at the time’ In this case, it’s ‘GI JOE VS. TRANSFORMERS’.
Tigertrack - TF VS. G.I. JOE or JOES VS TF (whichever is your slant) have had several incarnations over the years that have seen print, and even a few more that have not.
Va'al - (It's technically Transformers vs G.I. Joe..)
TT - Fine fine.
While not really moving either of the franchise’s further ahead in their respective universes these crossovers have proven to be fun elseworld stories, generally ‘what if’ type situations, that have left both franchise followers feeling less than satisfied asking several questions, including: why do they continue to do this?
The newest comic crossover between these two siblings may perhaps come closest to creating the feeling I had when I would play with and display my GI JOE and Transformers toys together when I was a child, and represents perhaps a very real portrayal of what I might have been thinking the story might have been like. I’m not quite sure if that is meant to be a compliment or not.
V - See, I think that was my problem with this comic: I have never really been any part of anything that had something to do with G.I. Joe, despite the two franchises being so close through the years. It made it harder for me to assess what Tom Scioli and John Barber were trying to do plot, story and context-wise.
The FREE COMIC BOOK DAY ‘prequel’ sets up the future ongoing. One part Transformers to three parts GI JOE, this comic is more of a Joe-centric story than a TF story. The beginning of the book introduces Bumblebee and Starscream, and how they seemingly get themselves sprinkled into the middle of the final results of another COBRA threat that GI JOE is working bravely to thwart. But don’t let that fool you. The COBRA and GI JOE action is the main part, and Starscream and Bumblebee are only minor pieces of the pages they are in, seemingly unimportant to the actual threat of the creeper bombs that COBRA is about to unleash.
V - And here I felt that it was more of an introduction to G.I. Joe for readers like me, who have very little clue about the franchise. So while I'd agree it's more G.I. Joe in content, I'd say it's trying to appeal to regular Transformers readers - so it needs to say very little about our favourite transforming robots. The issue introduces many GI JOE and COBRA characters, using almost infodump-y tiny file cards as a means to share names and specialties. And jokes. And plot points. So many cards.
TT - I like your point about it being an introduction to joe for TF fans, I often felt it was the transformers that drove (hah!) the stories and GI joe was there to get a boost or feed off TF popularity.
The story itself seems to take place before many of the characters are quite who we knew/know them to be yet. Duke is a ‘rookie’ who is constantly hitting on Scarlett ala Ripcord from THE RISE OF COBRA. Scarlett is possessed with taking down the COBRA COMMANDER. Snake Eyes is not yet mute or mutilated, he’s actually a very vocal, veteran leader. Other Joes from different parts of joe history show up like Doc, Roadblock, Wild Bill, Ace, and Bazooka.
V - Now, the artwork. Tom Scioli is doing everything, from layouts to pencils to inks to colours, and is explicitly referencing a Kirby-esque Silver Age (debated term, but let's use it anyway) style of art. The facial expressions, the dots, the shadowing, the dots, the backgrounds - all the elements are there, undoubtedly.
Does it always convince? No, not really. But I enjoyed it nonetheless, in a strange way of recognising its amibition and completely bonkers scope. The execution will divide a lot of opinions (and indeed already has) but there is no doubt in claiming that Scioli knows Kirby's work, and is a good sequential storyteller. Whether the style is what the two fandoms wanted is an entirely different conversation.
I believe my position of not really being that tied to either franchise in its early incarnations allows me to see this with a fresher perspective, and doesn't hit the 'childhood memories' of either. In fact, it captures the silliness of both series looking back on them now, in a fashion!
TT - The issue has some slapstick banter, hard core fighting, and a somewhat sweet payoff full page shot. Even more so there is the final page payoff, in which --
V - That thing happens, with those characters saying those things to each other.
Is it a must? Not sure. Is it fun? For me, it was: I found it amusing, ambitiously out there, with some interesting plotting and planning, some intriguing if not always convincing artwork (but impressive, as it's all Scioli's work, from start to finish). It's still free around the internet somewhere, so I'd give it a look if you can!
TT - I suppose this series will replicate that previous formula of the Joes being the established Earthians to contact/conflict with the Transformer aliens and cobra looks to use the bots for their benefit somehow teaming with the cons and then double-crossing them. I'm not expecting much surprise-wise.
I still very much dislike the art. I think I know what is being attempted, I just find it pretty disappointing for the most part so far. The SDCC covers are very bothersome. But I will still work to support this and enjoy it, so maybe someday we can get the ultimate crossover.
We'll see what the actual first issue brings - but until then, GOOOO FORMERS!
----END REVIEW(ish) THING