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Transformers News: Hasbro clarifies continuity of Transformers Prime, WFC, Exodus

Thursday, December 9th, 2010 11:03PM CST

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We received the following message from Hasbro yesterday morning which addressed conflicting reports about the continuity of Transformers Prime, War for Cybertron, and Exodus. According to Hasbro, all 3 are part of the same continuity despite several conflicts from the Transformers Prime episodes.

Hasbro wrote:---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 9:00 AM
Subject: From Hasbro's Transformers brand


Hello,

A question was recently posed to Hasbro’s UK office asking if the Transformers Prime television series and the Transformers War for Cybertron video game were in a connected continuity. Unfortunately the wrong answer was delivered and that answer has made its way to the fan community. The TRANSFORMERS brand team would like to confirm that Transformers War for Cybertron video game, Transformers Exodus novel, and the Transformers Prime television show are in the same aligned continuity. Hasbro is creating a single continuity to tell the bulk of our TRANSFORMERS stories going forward.

Please look for further details about the continuity plan and new projects over the next year.

Sincerely,
Joe Moscone
on behalf of Hasbro, Inc.
Credit(s): Hasbro
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Re: Hasbro clarifies continuity of Transformers Prime, WFC, Exodus (1155880)
Posted by Supreme Convoy on December 9th, 2010 @ 11:12pm CST
Did Hasbro announce that they were trying to create a single continuity from now on?

Pretty ambitious but it should be exciting.
Re: Hasbro clarifies continuity of Transformers Prime, WFC, Exodus (1155884)
Posted by gantzrunner on December 9th, 2010 @ 11:19pm CST
Great. Now we have yet another broken continuity to go with our IDW universe (with the various character style and design variety as well). Don't get me wrong, WFC is amazing, and I think Prime has potential...but come on they already had continuity issues between WFC and the first few episodes of Prime..and I have a feeling it's gonna get worse when WFC2 comes out. And honestly, Prime can't possibly match the graphical standards of the games...so it seems even more out of place. :BANG_HEAD:
Re: Hasbro clarifies continuity of Transformers Prime, WFC, Exodus (1155885)
Posted by Pyrostrata on December 9th, 2010 @ 11:23pm CST
After episode 2 of Prime, it was abundantly clear that this press release is nonsense. It also shows that NO ONE at Hasbro has either played (or watched it played) War For Cybertron or watched ANY of Prime at all!

For the record, Prime HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WAR FOR CYBERTRON....or any other existing continuity....This might change if they suddenly decide to take the series proper in a TOTALLY different direction than the pilot, which would be a tragic turn of events.
Re: Hasbro clarifies continuity of Transformers Prime, WFC, Exodus (1155888)
Posted by zenosaurus_x on December 9th, 2010 @ 11:28pm CST
NOOOO!!! I REJECT IT!
Even if it is right...uh, the ignorance in bliss or something...
Re: Hasbro clarifies continuity of Transformers Prime, WFC, Exodus (1155890)
Posted by The Dude on December 9th, 2010 @ 11:44pm CST
This.
Is.
Idiocy.

Not only that, but it seems to go against everything the designers of the game intended. WFC=G1. Pass it on.
Re: Hasbro clarifies continuity of Transformers Prime, WFC, Exodus (1155894)
Posted by Mkall on December 10th, 2010 @ 12:04am CST
Somehow I expected this. It doesn't really affect me either way to be honest.
Re: Hasbro clarifies continuity of Transformers Prime, WFC, Exodus (1155895)
Posted by Anonymous on December 10th, 2010 @ 12:12am CST
Idiocy indeed... I'll go one step further...

This.
Is.
Redundancy.

Talk about your infinite loop of main cast. I know Rodimus Prime failed initially, but I think we're all ready to move on. Iterations of Optimus, Bumblebee, Megatron, Starscream, et al are immensely " I-) " thematically. Will we ever see Generation 3?

On Topic: Perhaps the continuity errors are due to the same story being told over and over again. Maybe they should have never brought Optimus or Megatron back in the first place.
Re: Hasbro clarifies continuity of Transformers Prime, WFC, Exodus (1155896)
Posted by Agamemnon on December 10th, 2010 @ 12:17am CST
Not sure is any of you have read Exodus yet, but I have to call bullsh..err...horsehockey! (To quote Colonel Potter. You know Colonel Potter? From M*A*S*H? :oops: )

I don't know if it needs it, but I will try to spoiler protect what follows:

There are many inconsistencies, and downright changes to the story, between Exodus and WFC. In reading Exodus, I could see that perhaps it could be in the G1 continuity, but there was a point about two thirds of the way through when it was painfully obvious this was probably the movie-verse instead. It outright contridicted G1 in several aspects.

As far as Exodus and WFC, towards the end of Exodus, it tells the same story about Omega Supreme as WFC, but in a completely different manner. Omega was brought down by Starscream and the seakers and crashed in the book, not in any way like how it happened in WFC with Megatron taking out Omega. The manner in which Zeta Prime (Sentinel Prime) is taken down/out by Megatron is completely different too. As is how Optimus gets the matrix and becomes Prime.

The Book's a decent read, but it's just too different from WFC which is too different from Prime which is too different from the movie-verse which is too different from G1 which is too different from the Unicron Trilogy which is too different from all of the comic universes... I could go on, but I think I've gone on too long already.

The point is that Hasbro already has so many universes. Let them be! Don't fight it. In fact, one of the great things about Transformers is that we each can tell whatever stories we want with whatever characters we want. How much fan fiction is there out there? Some of it really good, much of it horsehockey. But all of it the author's own. The toys spawn creativity and imagination. Let it happen! Don't try to reign it in or put boundaries on it. All that will end up happening is people will rant, get upset about every little detail and inconsistency in every piece of fiction produced. As a TF fan I can say: WFC is FUN TO PLAY!! Exodus was fun to read. The Bay movies are fun to watch. G1 is fun to experience, though it feels different now than when I was ten. Beast Wars was awesome! I did not care for the dubbing on the Unicron Trilogy, but there were some excellent toys and gimmicks in the lines. I love all of the toys! Why must any of it be shoehorned into one universe? Let it be and let the universes grow and flourish within each of our imaginations.

Man, I didn't mean to rant like that. I guess work has been just that stressful.
Re: Hasbro clarifies continuity of Transformers Prime, WFC, Exodus (1155904)
Posted by Fires_Of_Inferno on December 10th, 2010 @ 1:11am CST
Skyfire-5 wrote:Will we ever see Generation 3?



That's what Beast Wars was :P

I always hated this idea when it was first hinted upon, it doesn't make any sense first of all, secondly, I haven't read the novel, but they don't mention any key plot elements that would connect the two (like why no one else seems to know what dark energon is), and the character designs are FAR different. They really needed more communication between their game development teams, their writing teams, and their animated series teams. :BANG_HEAD:
Re: Hasbro clarifies continuity of Transformers Prime, WFC, Exodus (1155905)
Posted by Pretender Skywarp on December 10th, 2010 @ 1:17am CST
But nobody seems suprised that Hasbro UK have given out the wrong answer ;-p
Re: Hasbro clarifies continuity of Transformers Prime, WFC, Exodus (1155912)
Posted by Megatron Wolf on December 10th, 2010 @ 1:51am CST
Ha yeah you just keep telling yourself that hasbro, WFC>Prime and are not in the same continuity, how does Soundwave go from badass to a bitch drone and all the bots go from looking awesome to looking worse than bayformers? And besides hasbro can resist changing the sereies, you know if they do manage to have a singe continuity they'll "reboot it" 3 years later. Just give us transtech already.
Re: Hasbro clarifies continuity of Transformers Prime, WFC, Exodus (1155914)
Posted by Starscream GaGa on December 10th, 2010 @ 1:58am CST
That doesn't make any sense. There are FAR, FAR too many plot holes for this to be legit.

Fact is, WFC was made as a prequel to G1 and it works as a prequel far better then anything we've previously had. It works better as a prequel to G1 then it does Prime, that's for sure! The only major contradiction that is in WFC is the existance of Silverbolt and Airraid, but the story is open enough for there to be a reason for them needing to be re-created. Not to mention the fact that G1 itself wasn't really good at the whole "they were made during the series, they cannot be on Cybertron" thing (Looking at YOU, Constructicons!).

Exodus is just on its own, it isn't the same story as WFC and unlike WFC it doesn't fit into any continuity. It's a single continuity.
Re: Hasbro clarifies continuity of Transformers Prime, WFC, Exodus (1155918)
Posted by Rodimus2006 on December 10th, 2010 @ 3:09am CST
I told you all WFC is the begining of time and it is connected to Prime which is the future. Prime isnt related to the movies or have any connection to them.

WFC, WFC 2, Exodus, Prime. I been gettin things right alot any more and I was right about the Transformers Time line.

The movie-verse is it own unique thing it just borrows from other aspects of past Transformers and usses plot devices in its films however the Allspark was never seen in any of the series expcept for Animated.

So there Prime and WFC are connected howver Prime & the movies are not connected.

2 seperate universes 2 diffrent versions only thing in common they share the same name Transformers.

Think video games like Bioware they make Dragon Age & Mass Effect they are done under Bioware but they are done buy seperate teams only common thing they have they are owned by EA/Bioware.

Think in terms of Star Wars as WFC is the Beginning then Exodus is the middle and Prime is the Present.
Re: Hasbro clarifies continuity of Transformers Prime, WFC, Exodus (1155919)
Posted by Wolfman Jake on December 10th, 2010 @ 3:09am CST
It's an interesting twist that the creators of a certain property are the ones fascinated by trying to unify all of its iterations into one coherent story as opposed to the fans. Look at the storied "Legend of Zelda" series, for instance. So many fans try so hard to place each game in the series into a timeline, even going so far as to create alternate timelines that split and recombine and whatever just to avoid having to admit that the games just flat out contradict one another time and again. Even the creators admit that the games don't all fit together and are just retellings of the same stories and themes.

That's what I've always thought of the Transformers franchise. Every few years, it's a brand new take on the same basic premise: Autobots vs. Decepticons, war leads to fleeing Cybertron, the battle comes to Earth, and the rivalry of Optimus Prime and Megatron lives on. I think that makes the brand as a whole stronger in the sense that it can keep re-inventing itself around the same basic idea and it still (usually) works. When you start trying to make it all fit together, it all comes apart, and all the individual tellings of the story are diminished. We don't need a streamlined singular timeline, or a fully mapped out "multiverse," or poorly thought out ideas like each member of the original Thirteen being the same entity in every universe, to enjoy Transformers.

I wonder if this effort by Hasbro to make everything Transformers fit into a unified timeline is mostly motivated by a perceived need to rein the Transformers brand back into a fully unified, singular line of toys for the sake of the retailers? I don't know why that would be such an issue now, as both collectors and kids seem not to have trouble at all buying the toys they like and ignoring the rest.
Re: Hasbro clarifies continuity of Transformers Prime, WFC, Exodus (1155947)
Posted by warwik311 on December 10th, 2010 @ 4:59am CST
What if we're looking at this all wrong? While we're looking at the stories of Video Games, Cartoons, and books, Hasbro is looking at toys. We're trying to make all of the stories fit into one line and Hasbro is trying to make all of the toys fit in one line, Generations.

Just a thought
Re: Hasbro clarifies continuity of Transformers Prime, WFC, Exodus (1155952)
Posted by griftimus prime on December 10th, 2010 @ 5:42am CST
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Re: Hasbro clarifies continuity of Transformers Prime, WFC, Exodus (1155954)
Posted by Starscream GaGa on December 10th, 2010 @ 6:12am CST
Rodimus2006 wrote:Think in terms of Star Wars as WFC is the Beginning then Exodus is the middle and Prime is the Present.

You very clearly have not read Exodus. Exodus starts off BEFORE WFC, then completely retells WFC's story with only very superficial similarities(Dark Energon, Starscream on a sattelite, Omega Supreme does... Something.). Neither stories, in anyway, fit together in the same timeline nor can they plausibly fit into Prime's continuity... In just FIVE episodes it's contradicted most of the events in both the game and book's continuity.
Re: Hasbro clarifies continuity of Transformers Prime, WFC, Exodus (1155958)
Posted by BattleRoller23 on December 10th, 2010 @ 6:35am CST
Not to me they are not.
Dis Continuity!
:CROW: :SERVO:
Re: Hasbro clarifies continuity of Transformers Prime, WFC, Exodus (1155959)
Posted by BATTLEMASTER IIC on December 10th, 2010 @ 6:43am CST
Yeah... I don't think so Hasbro!
Re: Hasbro clarifies continuity of Transformers Prime, WFC, Exodus (1155962)
Posted by Lord Onixprime on December 10th, 2010 @ 6:58am CST
What ever. I mean, if they were trying to make one single continuity than wouldn't they have made sure they all tied together? The book contradicts the game, the cartoon contradicts the game, and so we have one big contradictory blob of nonsense that Hasbro is trying to say is a continuity. It has more loose ends and incongruities than G1 did. Way to start off a new continuity on a high note. Maybe try next time?
Re: Hasbro clarifies continuity of Transformers Prime, WFC, Exodus (1155974)
Posted by Sodan-1 on December 10th, 2010 @ 8:06am CST
What a mountain of bull-ox!!

Just to clarify; I've watched the first two episodes of Transformers: Prime, I've played and completed War For Cybertron, and read Exodus cover to cover. All three have one main theme in common: dark energon. And yet this fact is what would suggest that there is no continuity between any of them. In all three dark energon is treated like a brand new and unexplored substance. Surely that is the single biggest piece of evidence that no continuity exists.

I can imagine someone at Hasbro customer services went down to Transformers head office to get an answer for this question. But it sounds like they walked in on them during a rather intense game of CoD.

Customer services: "We've had an email from a fan asking whether Prime, War For Cybertron and Exodus share a continuity. What should I tell them?"

Mr. Transformers: "Die, die, die! Oh man, did you see that headshot?! You know he'll blame that on lag.... Uh, what? Er...yeah. Yeah sure. Why not?"

Personally, I view Prime as a unique series that just takes it's characters from the movies. Both War For Cybertron and Exodus could be different preludes to G1, but I prefer Exodus because it involves the evacuation of Cybertron and I really don't like Zeta Prime.
Re: Hasbro clarifies continuity of Transformers Prime, WFC, Exodus (1155981)
Posted by Bradimus on December 10th, 2010 @ 8:33am CST
I read Exodus. I have not played WFC. From what I gather here, neither meshes with Prime, which I have seen.

It looks to me like Habro is trying to do what DC did in the original Crisis On Infinite Earths series: jam everything together into one new, single mess of a continuity that in the end makes no sense at all.

I don't understand the need to mesh everything together. I understand they are trying to figure out the best way to market their toy line, but what's wrong with keeping things separate?

Why not have just a movie-verse with its own toys and media?

Why not have a G1-verse made of homage updates that relate enough to the original cartoons and comics which they are in the process of releasing again?

Why not have an IDW-verse with it's own toys?

Why not have a new cartoon every half decade or so that tells it's own story with it's own toy line, even if that line is unique? That new cartoon-verse is what's going to grab the next generation of fans.

The part they are messing up is unfortunately the cartoon line. Animated was far too short. The toy line was incomplete. The story had room to grow for another few seasons, and even a sequel series along with a movie or two or three to break up the story arcs. Like Dragon Ball and the way Japan continued G1, a story can grow over time, old characters can evolve and leave, new characters can step in and take over the story, and the lifespan of one continuity can last close to a decade before the big finale of finales. Then they can take a few years off, just show reruns, complete the toy line, and develop the next universe to retell the story in a new way to a new generation.

So now they are rebooting with Prime, and that's fine with me. However, I find it too soon to do this. Animated should still be the cartoon right now. But it was scrapped, so here's Prime. But why does Prime have to be in sync with Exodus and WFC? And if they felt the need for Prime now, why not keep rolling Animated and make Prime for teens and adults, since that seems to be what it is right now anyway?

As mentioned earlier, Exodus loosely tells the story of the war. But this is very loose, an overview, really, and not a very good one (the war, the build up was decent). I would rather have had Exodus as a series of novels that go into great detail about the war, and in the process explore and unravel the mysteries of Cybertron in its own separate universe, with the war finding its way off Cybertron to other worlds, including Earth. As is, Exodus is merely a loose framework from which all current story lines can work off of, whether they do so perfectly or not. That's the impression the book gave me, and from what I'm seeing, that's what Hasbro intended.

The fact is, the movie is its own world. IDW is its own world. G1 is its own world. What's wrong with that? The toys will sell with or without media. Media does help, but it does not have to be a TV show or a movie, a simple series of internet comics or a novelization would be fine. Even mini comics included with the toys that tell their own small stories and connect to form a larger one would be enough. Kids need to read more anyway, so how about a toy line to accompany a series of novels? Kids read Harry Potter, so if done right won't they read Transformers too?

If Hasbro wants to believe everything is the same, good for them. We all know it's not, and they are actually hurting their marketing by trying to convince us otherwise, as gamers, readers (comics and/or novels), and TV watchers are not all necessarily interested in the same things. Hasbro should embrace that, expand their product accordingly, and watch as their profit margins go through the roof.
Re: Hasbro clarifies continuity of Transformers Prime, WFC, Exodus (1155990)
Posted by Shadowman on December 10th, 2010 @ 9:18am CST
The Dude wrote:This.
Is.
Idiocy.

Not only that, but it seems to go against everything the designers of the game intended. WFC=G1. Pass it on.


No, WfC contradicts G1 as well. Jetfire, Trypticon, Zeta Prime, how Optimus gets the Matrix, the reason for leaving Cybertron (Energy Crisis vs Dark Energon Corruption), there's too many inconsistencies there as well.

But I'm with everyone else here. There's no way Prime can fit in with WfC. Unless Starscream and Megatron had complete memory wipes regarding Dark Energon. And there's the problem that Megatron's endgame is turning Cybertron into a Zombie Planet by infecting it with Dark Energon, except if it ties into WfC then there's no point because he already did that.

When you try to tie two series together, make sure to tie them together in a way that we can't point out the gigantic glaring contradictions.
Re: Hasbro clarifies continuity of Transformers Prime, WFC, Exodus (1155995)
Posted by Fearing on December 10th, 2010 @ 9:43am CST
The only way this could possibly make sense is if they are rebooting an entire multiverse's continuity and these are different universes. I haven't seen Prime, but from what I've read, clearly it doesn't fit with WFC and Exodus, and while WFC and Exodus could both plausibly be prequels to the original G1 cartoon (the book much moreso than the game as the inclusion of certain characters in the game, even if you try to make a side story in your head to explain why they'd be there, just doesn't make sense, while the book goes out of its way to try to include all the events from Cybertron's past that were a part of the TV show and doesn't have any major contradictions that are any more an issue that was the show already had within itself), neither of them really fit together with each other, so you could only have one or the other be prequels to the show (I'd pick Exodus, the game was super fun, but just a few small tweaks would have fixed a lot storywise). They have to be talking about a whole new multiverse here, or they just haven't actually read their own stories.
Re: Hasbro clarifies continuity of Transformers Prime, WFC, Exodus (1155998)
Posted by Lord Onixprime on December 10th, 2010 @ 10:12am CST
Fearing wrote:The only way this could possibly make sense is if they are rebooting an entire multiverse's continuity and these are different universes. I haven't seen Prime, but from what I've read, clearly it doesn't fit with WFC and Exodus, and while WFC and Exodus could both plausibly be prequels to the original G1 cartoon (the book much moreso than the game as the inclusion of certain characters in the game, even if you try to make a side story in your head to explain why they'd be there, just doesn't make sense, while the book goes out of its way to try to include all the events from Cybertron's past that were a part of the TV show and doesn't have any major contradictions that are any more an issue that was the show already had within itself), neither of them really fit together with each other, so you could only have one or the other be prequels to the show (I'd pick Exodus, the game was super fun, but just a few small tweaks would have fixed a lot storywise). They have to be talking about a whole new multiverse here, or they just haven't actually read their own stories.



Being this is Hasbro, it's most likely they haven't read their own stories.

Their cartoon department probably said "oh yeah, the stories match up with the game" having never actually bothered to read the games script or even bothered to play it.
Re: Hasbro clarifies continuity of Transformers Prime, WFC, Exodus (1156000)
Posted by Shadowman on December 10th, 2010 @ 10:17am CST
There's also the problem that even even Exodus doesn't fit with Exodus.
Re: Hasbro clarifies continuity of Transformers Prime, WFC, Exodus (1156001)
Posted by Dead Metal on December 10th, 2010 @ 10:22am CST
I would like to bring something up.

Yes Prime, WFC and Exodus contradict each other, while the later even contradicts itself in a few instances.
They all share the same basic thing, especially WFC and Exodus which are basically the same story just told differently.

I believe this is due to a lack of communication between the 3 teams that worked on these. I guess Hasbro created a basic outline for each team to follow, containing characters, technology etc...
And I believe the source material was changed while High Moon and who ever wrote Exodus took a few liberties, while the main part of the new Continuity, the cartoon, made changes to its back story and failed to tell the others, this is also the reason why a Movie novelization and comic adaptation always differ from each other, most work and attention goes into the main project.

Also High Moon never stated that the game was G1, all they said was that they wanted it to feel and look like G1 while the game itself is based on the upcoming cartoon.

The only thing that happened is that someone didn't care to tell Exodus and WFC about the changes.
This is also the reason why the G1 toon and comic, both produced by Marvel, are different while they where originally meant to be based of the exact same back story and material, the cartoon team just decided to change things and move in a different direction. The only difference is that Hasbro decided to keep both separate back then.

And the only real continuity glitch between WFC and Prime which can't be explained away is the backstory to Megatron and Prime.
Re: Hasbro clarifies continuity of Transformers Prime, WFC, Exodus (1156006)
Posted by AutobotTrainer on December 10th, 2010 @ 11:04am CST
Where is the aforementioned erroneous response from UK Hasbro? I'd like to read that.
Re: Hasbro clarifies continuity of Transformers Prime, WFC, Exodus (1156011)
Posted by Shadowman on December 10th, 2010 @ 11:21am CST
Dead Metal wrote:And the only real continuity glitch between WFC and Prime which can't be explained away is the backstory to Megatron and Prime.


Also Dark Energon. Starscream and Megatron act like they've never seen it before, it's effects are entirely different, and they make a big deal about Megatron launching a chunk of it at Cybertron despite the fact that he already seeded the planet--right down to the core--with Dark Energon in WfC. There's also the matter that none of the Autobots and Decepticons start rising up as Zombies in WfC even though that would be totally awesome.

Come on, High Moon, make your next DLC a Robot Zombie Apocalypse campaign. People will start playing again if you do, and you'll fix a continuity error in the process.
Re: Hasbro clarifies continuity of Transformers Prime, WFC, Exodus (1156017)
Posted by Dead Metal on December 10th, 2010 @ 11:39am CST
Shadowman wrote:
Dead Metal wrote:And the only real continuity glitch between WFC and Prime which can't be explained away is the backstory to Megatron and Prime.


Also Dark Energon. Starscream and Megatron act like they've never seen it before, it's effects are entirely different, and they make a big deal about Megatron launching a chunk of it at Cybertron despite the fact that he already seeded the planet--right down to the core--with Dark Energon in WfC. There's also the matter that none of the Autobots and Decepticons start rising up as Zombies in WfC even though that would be totally awesome.

Come on, High Moon, make your next DLC a Robot Zombie Apocalypse campaign. People will start playing again if you do, and you'll fix a continuity error in the process.

That can be explained as the Prime Dark energon being a different kind of Dark Energon, with different effects, Arcee even said that it looked like experiments the Decepticons did during the War. And they did know what Dark Energon was, just that they where unfamiliar with the Blood of Unicron Dark Energon.
Re: Hasbro clarifies continuity of Transformers Prime, WFC, Exodus (1156026)
Posted by Lord Onixprime on December 10th, 2010 @ 12:08pm CST
The problem isn't WFC.

A video game take 2 years of development at least, which means that High Moon probably started developing WFC and its story back in 2008 at the latest. Animated was still thriving and the Hub was probably not even conceptualized yet, let alone Prime and its continuity.

The only problem here is Hasbro making a connection here where there isn't one. I'm sure High Moon had no intentions of their project being anything more than a homage to G1, and then only following it up with another game if it did well. Hasbro decided to make it the start of their 'master continuity' of which Prime is supposed to be (High Moon has never stated their game was the start of a grander continuity, only Hasbro)and neglected to keep with the source material.
Re: Hasbro clarifies continuity of Transformers Prime, WFC, Exodus (1156040)
Posted by Dead Metal on December 10th, 2010 @ 12:30pm CST
Lord Onixprime wrote:The problem isn't WFC.

A video game take 2 years of development at least, which means that High Moon probably started developing WFC and its story back in 2008 at the latest. Animated was still thriving and the Hub was probably not even conceptualized yet, let alone Prime and its continuity.

The only problem here is Hasbro making a connection here where there isn't one. I'm sure High Moon had no intentions of their project being anything more than a homage to G1, and then only following it up with another game if it did well. Hasbro decided to make it the start of their 'master continuity' of which Prime is supposed to be (High Moon has never stated their game was the start of a grander continuity, only Hasbro)and neglected to keep with the source material.

No sorry they stated themselves that it's based on Prime:
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read the full interview.
If the pics aren't big enough, right click them since the forum sizes them down.
The source is this:
http://transformersclub.com/TCCmagprev.cfm
Re: Hasbro clarifies continuity of Transformers Prime, WFC, Exodus (1156049)
Posted by Lord Onixprime on December 10th, 2010 @ 12:44pm CST
Not really, The TFCC interviewer kept bringing up the cartoon, but the guy being interviewed dodged the cartoon in every response.

Like I said, it is clearly Hasbro trying to make them fit together, the developer hasn't done that at all. Even that interview works to support it.
Re: Hasbro clarifies continuity of Transformers Prime, WFC, Exodus (1156053)
Posted by Sabrblade on December 10th, 2010 @ 12:55pm CST
Oh, how I wish I had gotten to this topic sooner, as I had just gotten through this very same conversation and email from Hasbro over at Unicron.com.

First of all, for those of you who are acting as if we are *just now* being told this information, let me make this clear to you: WE HAVE KNOWN ABOUT THIS INFORMATION FOR MONTHS NOW! THIS IS NOT NEW INFORMATION!!!

Hasbro has already stated time and time again that the three are together in the same aligned continuity.

And, YES, there are a plethora of continuity errors in this concept. But let me ask you this, are continuity errors anything new? NO!

Need I remind you that this is The Transformers? One of the most fictionally convoluted and varied franchises! It's not like this kind of retcon hasn't been done before. Look at all that's come about in past and recent incarnations:
  • Forcing Cybertron in with Armada and Energon.
  • Forcing Galaxy Force in with Micron Densetsu and Super Link.
  • Relocating Beast Wars II and Beast Wars Neo to occur "tens of thousands of years" after Beast Wars Returns instead of before it.
  • Forcing Car Robots into the Japanese G1 continuity
  • Kiss Players... 'nuff said
  • Forcing the Japanese dub of Animated to be a supposed "prequel" to the Japanese dubs of the live action movies
  • Changing the Japanese version of the G1 episode "Call of the Primitives" to involve time travel
  • Changing Primacron's assistant into being Primus, Vector Sigma, and the Oracle all at the same time
  • Forcing the Beast Wars Diorama Story (which includes Movie characters crossing over into the Beast Wars) into the Japanese G1 continuity
  • Making Alpha Trion into one of the Original 13 TFs, who are all Multiversal Singularites, when he has a Shattered Glass counterpart
  • Claiming that Multversal Singularities do not exist in the WFC/Exodus/Prime continuity (when it was established that the 13 are indeed Mult-Sings), thus seemingly placing WFC/Exodus/Prime outside of the TF Multiverse (so, would that now make it an omniverse?)
And all this, and more, is official! Nonsensical blasphemy, but official, nonetheless. Is this case really any different?

As far the Dark Energon contradiction goes, let me turn your attention to something important. As Dead Metal said above, this Dark Eerngon could very well be a different kind of Dark Eenrgon than what was seen in the games/book. A piece of evidence of this would be how the Dark Energon in the show is called the "Blood of Unicron", whereas the different substance seen in the games/book is called the "Sparks of Unicron". The "Sparks" variation could act as an addictive power-up, while the Blood variant would act as a reanimator of the dead.

As for the characters, how can we say that everyone is so different? We know nothing of the interluding period between the games/book and the cartoon. We know that they have been on Earth for at least 3 years, but we don't know how long it's been since they left Cybertron. And the show did say that war proceeded to continue on other planets after it was moved off of Cybertron. Earth could have only been one of them. Perhaps after they all left Cybertron at the end of the games/book, they headed for other worlds and continued to fight there.

And Optimus did say that his team of five were the *last* Autobots remaining on Earth, implying that there were others with him on Earth beforehand. Those other bots could have either been killed off screen or left to fight in the war on other planets prior to the first episode.

The characters that have appeared in Prime fiction who also showed up in the games/book are not all so different from before. Take a look at each of these characters for sec and think for moment:
  • Optimus - practically the same as before
  • Bumblebee - hard to say, as he wasn't given enough focus in the show for us to really explore his character yet
  • Arcee - she wasn't in the WFC main story mode enough to tell for sure
  • Ratchet - he could have grown into his gruffness, as he seems older in Prime than in WFC/Exodus. Wouldn't you get upset if you were trapped in some weird place far away from home for several years too?
  • Cliffjumper - he wasn't in the 360/PS3/PC game (only the DS game, which I haven't played/experienced), so I dunno yet
  • Megatron - I can see his WFC/Exodus persona still in him somewhat
  • Starscream - he's still kinda similar
  • Soundwave - like BB, he's not explored enough in the show yet to tell for sure
  • Breakdown - the only one who seems thoroughly different. What did they do to him?
And while Optimus did say in the first episdoe that Megatron had turned on him during the war instead of before, this isn't exactly inaccurate towards Exodus. Even the war hadn't actually gone into full force yet, Megatron technically did already start warring with the caste system, by secretly establishing a militarized force under Orion Pax's nose, during the times when the two were debating about what should be done about Cyberron then-current social state. When Pax was appointed Prime, Megs turned on him, gave an offical decalaration of war, and then proceeded to unleash his underground militia across Cybertron. It wasn't so much as Optimus stating conflicting information, but ratehr, he wasn't being specific enough.

As of now, this is how the timelines of the modern aligned continuity family go (red arrows represent a forced retcon):

Timeline 1: WFC comic --> WFC console game --> some "Movie-esque" events --> Prime graphic novel --> Prime cartoon

Timeline 2: Exodus novel --> some "Movie-esque" events --> Prime graphic novel --> Prime cartoon

Timeline 3: WFC 'Cons DS game --> WFC 'Bots DS game --> some "Movie-esque" events --> Prime graphic novel --> Prime cartoon

Timeline 4: Cybertron Adventures game --> some "Movie-esque" events --> Prime graphic novel --> Prime cartoon

NOTE: I'm not certain, but the WFC comic may be able to occur before the WFC DS games and the Cybertron Adventures game as well as the WFC console game.
Re: Hasbro clarifies continuity of Transformers Prime, WFC, Exodus (1156055)
Posted by Shadowman on December 10th, 2010 @ 12:58pm CST
Dead Metal wrote:That can be explained as the Prime Dark energon being a different kind of Dark Energon, with different effects, Arcee even said that it looked like experiments the Decepticons did during the War. And they did know what Dark Energon was, just that they where unfamiliar with the Blood of Unicron Dark Energon.


But they never said there was a difference, and they never made any mention to there being any other kind of Dark Energon. Starscream didn't say "How is that different from what we were using?" He actually says Dark Energon is "so rare as to be non-existent." Despite the fact that HE was Megatron's main supplier!

And there were no "experiments" during the war, there was just Megatron spreading as much Dark Energon as he possibly could. And even if it there were, maybe something Arcee saw in the Kaon prison, she should have been able to identify it as Dark Energon.

Face it, you can't tie Prime in with WfC, just like you can't tie Animated in with G1. There's too many continuity errors with the characters directly contradicting the only explanations.
Re: Hasbro clarifies continuity of Transformers Prime, WFC, Exodus (1156059)
Posted by Dead Metal on December 10th, 2010 @ 1:06pm CST
Shadowman wrote:
Dead Metal wrote:That can be explained as the Prime Dark energon being a different kind of Dark Energon, with different effects, Arcee even said that it looked like experiments the Decepticons did during the War. And they did know what Dark Energon was, just that they where unfamiliar with the Blood of Unicron Dark Energon.


But they never said there was a difference, and they never made any mention to there being any other kind of Dark Energon. Starscream didn't say "How is that different from what we were using?" He actually says Dark Energon is "so rare as to be non-existent." Despite the fact that HE was Megatron's main supplier!

Starscream didn't say that, it was Ratchet.
Megatron stated that he's found a new source of Dark Energon, the Blood of Unicron.

And there were no "experiments" during the war, there was just Megatron spreading as much Dark Energon as he possibly could. And even if it there were, maybe something Arcee saw in the Kaon prison, she should have been able to identify it as Dark Energon.

Megatron didn't experiment with Dark energon during WFC, I never said that. Nobody could identify the stuff as Dark energon, since it was different from the DE they knew off.
As I said, these inconsistencies are due to a lack of communication between the teams.

Face it, you can't tie Prime in with WfC, just like you can't tie Animated in with G1. There's too many continuity errors with the characters directly contradicting the only explanations.

Who wants to tie Animated to G1?
And you should face that WFC and Prime are tied together and are in continuity with each other. Besides there are less inconsistencies between the two then between the idw comics from the past 2 years. And those where overseen by "editors" and just one company.
Re: Hasbro clarifies continuity of Transformers Prime, WFC, Exodus (1156061)
Posted by Sabrblade on December 10th, 2010 @ 1:12pm CST
Shadowman wrote:But they never said there was a difference, and they never made any mention to there being any other kind of Dark Energon. Starscream didn't say "How is that different from what we were using?" He actually says Dark Energon is "so rare as to be non-existent." Despite the fact that HE was Megatron's main supplier!
Ratchet said that, not Screamer. Besides, the stuff was scarce to begin with in the games and book. It wasn't until it had been mass-produced that there was a lot of the stuff. And by the pointof the Prime cartoon, maybe Cybertron had been disinfected enough that Dark Energon did exist in abundance anymore.

Shadowman wrote:And there were no "experiments" during the war, there was just Megatron spreading as much Dark Energon as he possibly could. And even if it there were, maybe something Arcee saw in the Kaon prison, she should have been able to identify it as Dark Energon.

No experiments? Um, Shockwave did a whole buch of creepy, inhuman experimentations during the war. Was bringing Trypticon to life not an experiment?
Re: Hasbro clarifies continuity of Transformers Prime, WFC, Exodus (1156071)
Posted by Shadowman on December 10th, 2010 @ 1:54pm CST
So I looked it up; Dark Energon was emanated by Unicron when he attacked Cybertron, but was defeated and driven off by the Original 13. What samples could be found were left to the Seeker Caste, and thus Starscream, to study aboard Trypticon station. I don't know if Starscream knew about it's origins...but Soundwave did, and he doesn't typically hide things from Megatron.

So the creator of Dark Energon is, in fact, Unicron. Thus, the "Blood of Unicron" is the only possible version there is. Even if the mass produced Dark Energon is different from the original samples, where would he have gotten it? I seriously doubt he'd be able to steal a sample from Unicron and get away with it.

Prime and WfC may be the same continuity, but they are mashed together EXTREMELY poorly.
Re: Hasbro clarifies continuity of Transformers Prime, WFC, Exodus (1156073)
Posted by AutobotTrainer on December 10th, 2010 @ 1:57pm CST
Okay. It's time to stop. I have resisted the urge to use TvTropes in this forum until now, but things seem to be getting out of hand.

REQUIRED READING:

BellisariosMaxim

MST3KMantra

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Rule of Cool

...and his name is Primus, my lord

and, lastly thus: They are even pictured for frick's sake

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Re: Hasbro clarifies continuity of Transformers Prime, WFC, Exodus (1156078)
Posted by Sabrblade on December 10th, 2010 @ 2:04pm CST
Shadowman wrote:So I looked it up; Dark Energon was emanated by Unicron when he attacked Cybertron, but was defeated and driven off by the Original 13. What samples could be found were left to the Seeker Caste, and thus Starscream, to study aboard Trypticon station. I don't know if Starscream knew about it's origins...but Soundwave did, and he doesn't typically hide things from Megatron.

So the creator of Dark Energon is, in fact, Unicron. Thus, the "Blood of Unicron" is the only possible version there is. Even if the mass produced Dark Energon is different from the original samples, where would he have gotten it? I seriously doubt he'd be able to steal a sample from Unicron and get away with it.
Except that the type of Dark Energon in the games and book was called the "Sparks of Unicron", whereas the new source Megs found in the cartoon was called the "Blood of Unicron".

Shadowman wrote:Prime and WfC may be the same continuity, but they are mashed together EXTREMELY poorly.
Exactly! The new aligned continuity consists of WFC, Exodus, and Prime in a forced manner. They are all together, but in an imperfect way. Imperfection is what we're stuck with.
Re: Hasbro clarifies continuity of Transformers Prime, WFC, Exodus (1156081)
Posted by Shadowman on December 10th, 2010 @ 2:13pm CST
I read them all already.

The problem is, this isn't about forgiving in the face of trivial mistakes. This is about Hasbro claiming two series are connected, when you can't actually connect them without splitting hairs, twisting characters' words, or just blatantly ignoring official materials. Like I said, it's like claiming Animated and G1 are connected (Which some people WERE, due to the use of G1 footage in the pilot) when it clearly isn't.
Re: Hasbro clarifies continuity of Transformers Prime, WFC, Exodus (1156086)
Posted by AutobotTrainer on December 10th, 2010 @ 2:21pm CST
Oh, and scroll down to "Western Animation" here this FUBAR is already mentioned. :BOOM:
Re: Hasbro clarifies continuity of Transformers Prime, WFC, Exodus (1156091)
Posted by OptiMagnus on December 10th, 2010 @ 2:34pm CST
Continuity errors are definitely nothing new in Transformers, or in many franchises for that matter.
Let's accept that WFC and Prime are the same somehow and move on.
Re: Hasbro clarifies continuity of Transformers Prime, WFC, Exodus (1156095)
Posted by Shadowman on December 10th, 2010 @ 2:49pm CST
AutobotTrainer wrote:Oh, and scroll down to "Western Animation" here this FUBAR is already mentioned. :BOOM:


Even worse is that Transformers is the only example is Western Animation.

OptiMagnus10 wrote:Continuity errors are definitely nothing new in Transformers, or in many franchises for that matter.
Let's accept that WFC and Prime are the same somehow and move on.


If I didn't accept that the two series are poorly tied together when Hasbro said it, I don't think I'm going to start now.

Also, the original post mentions a "wrong answer." But what was the answer?

EDIT: Well, okay, I can accept that they're poorly tied together by Hasbro. But that doesn't mean I'll stop complaining about it.
Re: Hasbro clarifies continuity of Transformers Prime, WFC, Exodus (1156137)
Posted by Sabrblade on December 10th, 2010 @ 5:07pm CST
Shadowman wrote:EDIT: Well, okay, I can accept that they're poorly tied together by Hasbro. But that doesn't mean I'll stop complaining about it.
Of course not. I'm gonna keep nitpicking about every possible continuity error I can spot. But I won't ever let that stop my enjoyment of the series. :D


As for this "wrong answer" given by Hasbro UK that several keep asking about, isn't kinda obvious? The question that was asked is if the three mediums were tied together. This email is rectifying this supposed "wrong answer" by saying that, yes, they are together. This would indiciate that the wrong answer given is that they somehow are not together. It's as simple as that, apparently. ;)
Re: Hasbro clarifies continuity of Transformers Prime, WFC, Exodus (1156142)
Posted by Shadowman on December 10th, 2010 @ 5:27pm CST
Sabrblade wrote:
Shadowman wrote:EDIT: Well, okay, I can accept that they're poorly tied together by Hasbro. But that doesn't mean I'll stop complaining about it.
Of course not. I'm gonna keep nitpicking about every possible continuity error I can spot. But I won't ever let that stop my enjoyment of the series. :D


Oh, absolutely. Hasbro's attempts at mashing together WfC and Prime aren't going to make Prime any less totally awesome.

Sabrblade wrote:As for this "wrong answer" given by Hasbro UK that several keep asking about, isn't kinda obvious? The question that was asked is if the three mediums were tied together. This email is rectifying this supposed "wrong answer" by saying that, yes, they are together. This would indiciate that the wrong answer given is that they somehow are not together. It's as simple as that, apparently. ;)


I figured it would be a lot less obvious than that.
Re: Hasbro clarifies continuity of Transformers Prime, WFC, Exodus (1156145)
Posted by NuclearConvoy on December 10th, 2010 @ 5:39pm CST
This makes about as much sense as shoehorning Galaxy Force into being a follow-up to Armada/Energon. Cybertron (the show that resulted from that bad idea) was just broken. The Humans didn't even remember there were robots on earth before, yeah cuz that makes sense after they had giant cities built with them. YEAH.
Re: Hasbro clarifies continuity of Transformers Prime, WFC, Exodus (1156147)
Posted by Shadowman on December 10th, 2010 @ 5:44pm CST
NuclearConvoy wrote:This makes about as much sense as shoehorning Galaxy Force into being a follow-up to Armada/Energon. Cybertron (the show that resulted from that bad idea) was just broken. The Humans didn't even remember there were robots on earth before, yeah cuz that makes sense after they had giant cities built with them. YEAH.


Basically all the inconsistencies were caused by Unicron being destroyed and creating a rip in time and space. Because that's perfectly reasonable.
Re: Hasbro clarifies continuity of Transformers Prime, WFC, Exodus (1156161)
Posted by zenosaurus_x on December 10th, 2010 @ 7:07pm CST
Shadowman wrote:Like I said, it's like claiming Animated and G1 are connected (Which some people WERE, due to the use of G1 footage in the pilot) when it clearly isn't.

Good point, I remember back when I knew nothing about TransFormers, I insisted EVERY continuity EVER was connected in one direct story...

Ok maybe "nothing" doesn't quite describe what I thought...
Re: Hasbro clarifies continuity of Transformers Prime, WFC, Exodus (1156164)
Posted by Evil_the_Nub on December 10th, 2010 @ 7:16pm CST
Shadowman wrote:
NuclearConvoy wrote:This makes about as much sense as shoehorning Galaxy Force into being a follow-up to Armada/Energon. Cybertron (the show that resulted from that bad idea) was just broken. The Humans didn't even remember there were robots on earth before, yeah cuz that makes sense after they had giant cities built with them. YEAH.


Basically all the inconsistencies were caused by Unicron being destroyed and creating a rip in time and space. Because that's perfectly reasonable.

The Transformers equivalent of "a wizard did it"

How involved with with the movies, games, and cartoons is Hasbro anyway? This isn't the first time they've said something that blatantly contradicted with what was on screen. I wonder if they even watch them before they start answering questions about them.

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