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HMW: The first trailer for HMW2 is here!

HMW: The first trailer for HMW2 is here!
Tuesday, February 10th, 2009 6:01AM EST
Categories: Game News, Heavy Metal War, Media, Press Releases, Site Articles, Site News
Posted by: Psychout
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We've known that this has been coming for years.

Since the Heavy Metal Warriors first faced off against each other back in 2003 we have seen HMW grow and develop into the wargame we all know and love to hate, but we also knew its time was running out and a new world would one day take its place.

Then, a month ago, this was released: The first teaser for HMW2.
The first peek into a whole new world and whet the appetite for what was to come.

Now, thanks to Omega Sentinel, we can get our next insight in to how some aspects of the future of Heavy Metal War will change.
Concentrating on the new dual-wield weapon systems and introducing the concept of 'Spark Points' to your transformations, the programmer who has taken Heavy Metal War and made it just that little bit more Heavy presents...


Alts and Ammo! The second trailer for Heavy Metal War II
Sorry the quality is kind of bad. Best I could do with a short amount of time.


There ya go folks, the words of a genius.

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Re: HMW: The first trailer for HMW2 is here! (881730)
Posted by original sin on February 10th, 2009 @ 12:06am EST
The Spark Points thing sounds kinda ehhh to me, but everything else was pretty cool sounding :D
Re: HMW: The first trailer for HMW2 is here! (881734)
Posted by Editor on February 10th, 2009 @ 12:15am EST
Hot Damn, thanks OS.
Re: HMW: The first trailer for HMW2 is here! (881736)
Posted by King Henrik on February 10th, 2009 @ 12:19am EST
the spark points thing is interesting. i was guessing spark points was going to be like mp for using tactics rather than for transforming. if i saw correctly, it takes 35 points for the solstice to transform. assuming we start with a hundred that's not many transformations. so based on that i have 2 overall questions.

1) i can see we now have a hp system that can go over 100 hp. will we also be able to increase our maximum spark points?

2) once we transform to an alt mode, how long do we stay in in that state? just for the duration of use of the alts special ability? what happens if the special ability doesn't fire?

thanks for all the hard work you're putting into this OS!

*edit* also very excited with idea of dual wielding weapons!
Re: HMW: The first trailer for HMW2 is here! (881738)
Posted by Raphael Prime on February 10th, 2009 @ 12:29am EST
I'm with Original Sin on the Spark Points. They sound a little iffy right now, but hopefully there is a good way of managing them for when in battle.

Overall though, that teaser trailer, makes me want this game to come out this weekend or sooner.
Re: HMW: The first trailer for HMW2 is here! (881747)
Posted by neliz on February 10th, 2009 @ 12:53am EST
needs moar €nergon..

Way to go OS!

There's a lot of stuff that hints at origins in D&D like or some deaper hack&slash RPG's like the advantages and drawbacks of two handed weapons feels very dungeon sieg"y". Good work!
Re: HMW: The first trailer for HMW2 is here! (881751)
Posted by Kickyourassacons on February 10th, 2009 @ 1:09am EST
Sounds pretty cool and I am very excited for the opening day. These new features wont take more time will they? I like this game because I can play while I am at work but I wouldn't have time for the game if HMW2 requires much more of it. I like how I can just throw guys in missions and forget about it.
Re: HMW: The first trailer for HMW2 is here! (881766)
Posted by Serpent O - R on February 10th, 2009 @ 2:10am EST
Cool, can't wait!

I was curious at what rate we would get our spark points back.

Question- What determines range? Is there a gameboard that the pieces move across or is it an abstract of [back line] - [front line] vs [front line] - [back line]?

[edit]
Re: HMW: The first trailer for HMW2 is here! (881776)
Posted by UltraPrimal on February 10th, 2009 @ 2:42am EST
My only question is when? I haven't played HMW in ages, but this is the sort of thing that could get me back into it.
Re: HMW: The first trailer for HMW2 is here! (881778)
Posted by Burn on February 10th, 2009 @ 2:47am EST
Raphael Prime wrote:I'm with Original Sin on the Spark Points. They sound a little iffy right now, but hopefully there is a good way of managing them for when in battle.

Overall though, that teaser trailer, makes me want this game to come out this weekend or sooner.


I've seen a lot of what OS is planning and i've been iffy towards a lot of it, but once you see it in action all iffyness is quickly forgotten.

Hence why I spent half my weekend playing the damn game .... oh and then there's the logging on before and after work trying to play as much as possible.

Stupid addiction.
Re: HMW: The first trailer for HMW2 is here! (881784)
Posted by original sin on February 10th, 2009 @ 3:13am EST
Burn wrote:
Raphael Prime wrote:I'm with Original Sin on the Spark Points. They sound a little iffy right now, but hopefully there is a good way of managing them for when in battle.

Overall though, that teaser trailer, makes me want this game to come out this weekend or sooner.


I've seen a lot of what OS is planning and i've been iffy towards a lot of it, but once you see it in action all iffyness is quickly forgotten.

Hence why I spent half my weekend playing the damn game .... oh and then there's the logging on before and after work trying to play as much as possible.

Stupid addiction.


Are you really trying to convince us or are you just trying to rub it in that we can't play and you can? :P
Re: HMW: The first trailer for HMW2 is here! (881785)
Posted by Burn on February 10th, 2009 @ 3:15am EST
I'm ... trying to convince you ... of course!

...

*runs off to see if i've earnt another robot point to upgrade*
Re: HMW: The first trailer for HMW2 is here! (881788)
Posted by Raphael Prime on February 10th, 2009 @ 3:35am EST
Burn wrote:I'm ... trying to convince you ... of course!

...

*runs off to see if i've earnt another robot point to upgrade*



..I say we go over and smash his computer, don't you Original Sin? :P

But that's good to hear Burn, thank you.
Re: HMW: The first trailer for HMW2 is here! (881806)
Posted by Redimus GTS on February 10th, 2009 @ 4:57am EST
Most of my tf toys are left handed (where possible) as I am left handed. Can I equip a weapon to the left hand if I only have one, or can you only equipe your second weapon to the left hand?
Re: HMW: The first trailer for HMW2 is here! (881807)
Posted by Psychout on February 10th, 2009 @ 4:58am EST
Nope, your dudes can be left handed if you want, all mine are.



Edit: This has now been NEWS'D!!

So, opinions please people...
Re: HMW: The first trailer for HMW2 is here! (881845)
Posted by Hoistimus on February 10th, 2009 @ 7:49am EST
I assume this will mean a reset (for everyone) once HMW2 is started?

Not that I mind, wouldn't be the first time I lost a top 10 position, I'll gain it back :)

Anyway, my original meaning to post was to ask the question: Any estimate on when we might actually get to see HMW2 implemented?

And if Burn and friends need any bots to help beta test HMW2, I'm always available..
Re: HMW: The first trailer for HMW2 is here! (881877)
Posted by Omega Sentinel on February 10th, 2009 @ 9:03am EST
Hoistimus wrote:Anyway, my original meaning to post was to ask the question: Any estimate on when we might actually get to see HMW2 implemented?
The goal is May

Kickyourassacons wrote:Sounds pretty cool and I am very excited for the opening day. These new features wont take more time will they? I like this game because I can play while I am at work but I wouldn't have time for the game if HMW2 requires much more of it. I like how I can just throw guys in missions and forget about it.
If you want to dump players into missions and go to work you can continue to do so. The goal with the game is to offer depth while allowing the simpler game to be played for those that choose it. So far that seems to be coming together nicely.
Re: HMW: The first trailer for HMW2 is here! (881898)
Posted by Editor on February 10th, 2009 @ 10:05am EST
So those of us that play at work can continue to dump and run, Excelent planning, OS.

Thank you for thinking of these aspects, that shows again how much thought you've put into this. Kudos.
Re: HMW: The first trailer for HMW2 is here! (881904)
Posted by Dragonslayer on February 10th, 2009 @ 10:23am EST
I must say, this look pretty damn cool. I'm a little confused about how stuff works, but I'm always confused about stuff, especially when it comes to starting new games like this :P

But it looks as if I can figure stuff out quickly on the fly (experimentation/trial and error). I'm eager to see the new weapons system myself, and the altmode system looks interesting to me too.

Awesome work, OS! Can't wait for this to come out! 8)
Re: HMW: The first trailer for HMW2 is here! (881905)
Posted by Me, Grimlock! on February 10th, 2009 @ 10:27am EST
When will this be released for the Xbox 360?



Huh? What? What? Stop laughing at me.
Re: HMW: The first trailer for HMW2 is here! (881925)
Posted by devast8or on February 10th, 2009 @ 11:05am EST
UltraPrimal wrote:My only question is when? I haven't played HMW in ages, but this is the sort of thing that could get me back into it.


Good grief! UP, you've got a lot of questions to answer in your "what advice would UP give" thread... :lol:

good to c ur still around these parts
Re: HMW: The first trailer for HMW2 is here! (881980)
Posted by Scantron on February 10th, 2009 @ 12:38pm EST
Looking great so far. With all the times V2 has been 'just around the corner', I was fairly cynical about this attempt going anywhere...but this trailer's convinced me that this is for real and the new game is going to be very impressive. May is a long way off, but I can't wait to give V2 a shot.
Re: HMW: The first trailer for HMW2 is here! (881986)
Posted by Booda on February 10th, 2009 @ 12:56pm EST
Psychout wrote:So, opinions please people...

Are you sure...?

The whole thing gives me an overall "meh" feeling. It's like the original game, but with more numbers. I don't necessarily construe that as an improvement.

There's something about alt modes and spark points that just seem totally counter-intuitive to me. First, that transforming from a robot warrior into a slowly accelerating, difficult-to-maneuver Earth vehicle (aka a semi-truck) has any advantage at all doesn't make sense. This is a limitation on the gameplay itself I think, as it reserves itself almost entirely to combat, so aspects of alt modes that would be beneficial outside of combat are either not going to make sense or are going to be omitted.

Second, there's never been any inherent cost to a transformation other than the time to do it and perhaps some exertion comparable maybe to walking up a short flight of stairs. In the lore, transforming was actually a method of conserving energy; not expending it.

It sounds like Spark Points are going to be used like "Mana Points," or "Magic Points," or "Action Points," or whatever tub-o-resource the game uses. Can't say I'm excited about this. I was disappointed in HMW1 that alt modes did nothing aside from random special attacks. Spark Points say to me that alt modes are just going to be represented by "So-and-so transforms into a whats-it and does a special attack!" Except now there's an MP cost.

I always wanted to see my transformers transform and... well, stay that way. If you have a strategic advantage as a fighter jet strafing the battlefield (no, not that strafing), why would you bother with robot mode? I feel like there's a lot of design space missing.
Re: HMW: The first trailer for HMW2 is here! (881990)
Posted by neliz on February 10th, 2009 @ 1:05pm EST
did you just kill the entire transformers franchise GI JOe?
Re: HMW: The first trailer for HMW2 is here! (882017)
Posted by Kickyourassacons on February 10th, 2009 @ 2:03pm EST
Thanks for the reply OS. I am glad to hear that I can still work and play HMW2 at the same time. I would hate to have my job conflict with the game :P
Re: HMW: The first trailer for HMW2 is here! (882031)
Posted by Symbiote Spiderman14 on February 10th, 2009 @ 2:24pm EST
The only thing that might concern me is if the allspark limits us on how much we can play to much like ap points in other games. I don't play this version much anymore but I am looking forward to getting back to my long nights at work at playing the new version.
Re: HMW: The first trailer for HMW2 is here! (882042)
Posted by Mogwai Prime on February 10th, 2009 @ 2:40pm EST
Omega Sentinel wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xbrKnASHAk


Sorry the quality is kind of bad. Best I could do with a short amount of time.


I can attest to the CPU scramble! I just kicked my own @$$!!! Psychout I owe you one :P
Re: HMW: The first trailer for HMW2 is here! (882045)
Posted by Chaoslock on February 10th, 2009 @ 2:47pm EST
So, there will be a tactic that makes Kremzeek out of an enemy? I want a permanent stasus of those on one of my cons! :twisted:
Re: HMW: The first trailer for HMW2 is here! (882049)
Posted by Omega Sentinel on February 10th, 2009 @ 2:53pm EST
Symbiote Spiderman14 wrote:The only thing that might concern me is if the allspark limits us on how much we can play to much like ap points in other games. I don't play this version much anymore but I am looking forward to getting back to my long nights at work at playing the new version.

Spark points do not inhibit play. You can ironbot in the new game, you will just have to do it without your alt modes if you decide not to let your spark rest.
Re: HMW: The first trailer for HMW2 is here! (882057)
Posted by devast8or on February 10th, 2009 @ 3:03pm EST
Omega Sentinel wrote:
Symbiote Spiderman14 wrote:The only thing that might concern me is if the allspark limits us on how much we can play to much like ap points in other games. I don't play this version much anymore but I am looking forward to getting back to my long nights at work at playing the new version.

Spark points do not inhibit play. You can ironbot in the new game, you will just have to do it without your alt modes if you decide not to let your spark rest.

...and iron-botting is working just fine in the new universe :grin:
Re: HMW: The first trailer for HMW2 is here! (882058)
Posted by Judge Chuckachu on February 10th, 2009 @ 3:07pm EST
OS -> :APPLAUSE: Seriously. :APPLAUSE:

And now with the bottom kissing over...I assume the beast factions will be working the same just cosmetically different?
Re: HMW: The first trailer for HMW2 is here! (882088)
Posted by Kickyourassacons on February 10th, 2009 @ 4:13pm EST
Will there be an area where you could check your indepth stats on your individual characters? Similar to what the "XP Games" are but have it done automatically. I really like to see how my guys are doing but it happens once a week and the VERY generous Fearless Echoes pulls the work. I feel guilty asking for the breakdowns. It would be cool if the game did all this work instead of a single individual. Maybe even count the hours the person is playing. To see if your team is performing really well or are you crunching in the time to make up for the poor performance.
Re: HMW: The first trailer for HMW2 is here! (882096)
Posted by Omega Sentinel on February 10th, 2009 @ 4:31pm EST
Kickyourassacons wrote:Will there be an area where you could check your indepth stats on your individual characters? Similar to what the "XP Games" are but have it done automatically. I really like to see how my guys are doing but it happens once a week and the VERY generous Fearless Echoes pulls the work. I feel guilty asking for the breakdowns. It would be cool if the game did all this work instead of a single individual. Maybe even count the hours the person is playing. To see if your team is performing really well or are you crunching in the time to make up for the poor performance.

Yes. May not be exactly what you are envisioning but the game will track many things that will be accessible in your "stats" tab.
Re: HMW: The first trailer for HMW2 is here! (882110)
Posted by neliz on February 10th, 2009 @ 4:50pm EST
Kickyourassacons wrote:To see if your team is performing really well or are you crunching in the time to make up for the poor performance.


Hey, don't get personal!
Re: HMW: The first trailer for HMW2 is here! (882114)
Posted by Redimus GTS on February 10th, 2009 @ 5:00pm EST
Omega Sentinel wrote:May not be exactly what you are envisioning but the game will track many things that will be accessible in your "stats" tab.


This is good news, it means there might still be a place for my services! (I do it becuase I enjoy it, and whilst I would fully understand if my service was rendered suplus to requirments, I would miss having something like that to do.)
Re: HMW: The first trailer for HMW2 is here! (882132)
Posted by King Slick on February 10th, 2009 @ 5:35pm EST
This really is getting interesting. Do I continue to run with seintient clankers, or join with the pointer ears against the oversized savages. I only have so much free time. So...I grab the quiver with my fore and middle finger and my thumb...aim at the target and...*arrow hits Wheelie in the right optic servo* Whoops. My vision is far from being as sharp as one of them pointy ears.

*Sees Grimlock ready to suffer from a serious case of rage* Gulp! Twilghter! I NEED YOU KNOW! *leaps onto a Helfeiger and rides off in a hurry from an angey robo-Rex*
Re: HMW: The first trailer for HMW2 is here! (882156)
Posted by Kickyourassacons on February 10th, 2009 @ 6:33pm EST
Fearless Echoes wrote:
Omega Sentinel wrote:May not be exactly what you are envisioning but the game will track many things that will be accessible in your "stats" tab.


This is good news, it means there might still be a place for my services! (I do it becuase I enjoy it, and whilst I would fully understand if my service was rendered suplus to requirments, I would miss having something like that to do.)


I think I share the same feelings as the rest of the 51 other people that you help out :APPLAUSE: I am sure though that when HMW2 releases you will have another opportunity to create a stats tracker of some sort. I am still amazed that you can keep track of all of us and post our scores every week :APPLAUSE: I didn't want to replace you, I just thought this was turning out to be a burden. But my thoughts were wrong as you enjoy this task.

Also thanks OS for the answer
Re: HMW: The first trailer for HMW2 is here! (882175)
Posted by Galvatron Supreme on February 10th, 2009 @ 7:00pm EST
Kickyourassacons wrote:
Fearless Echoes wrote:
Omega Sentinel wrote:May not be exactly what you are envisioning but the game will track many things that will be accessible in your "stats" tab.


[color=red] I am still amazed that you can keep track of all of us and post our scores every week :APPLAUSE: I didn't want to replace you, I just thought this was turning out to be a burden. But my thoughts were wrong as you enjoy this task.

Also thanks OS for the answer


Red is apparently a glutton for punishment. :grin:
Re: HMW: The first trailer for HMW2 is here! (882177)
Posted by Redimus GTS on February 10th, 2009 @ 7:04pm EST
Yes. I am, lol.
Re: HMW: The first trailer for HMW2 is here! (882194)
Posted by Down_Shift on February 10th, 2009 @ 7:59pm EST
Lookin' good bitches, lookin' good.
Re: HMW: The first trailer for HMW2 is here! (882204)
Posted by Pariah on February 10th, 2009 @ 8:25pm EST
hmmmm... link not working for me. I must smell. Cant wait though :)
Re: HMW: The first trailer for HMW2 is here! (882241)
Posted by Ouroboros on February 10th, 2009 @ 10:34pm EST
Is this worth breaking my recent bout of silence? I reckon so! Good work OS, can't wait to see the thing up and running!

This might be an inappropriate thing to ask, but what will happen in terms of balencing the factions, will it be a similar situation to what we have now, with the numbers allowed in missions?
Re: HMW: The first trailer for HMW2 is here! (882312)
Posted by neliz on February 11th, 2009 @ 3:01am EST
Hollow One wrote:This might be an inappropriate thing to ask, but what will happen in terms of balencing the factions, will it be a similar situation to what we have now, with the numbers allowed in missions?


Mission structure is totally different so the number of players will have less of an effect.
Re: HMW: The first trailer for HMW2 is here! (882426)
Posted by Starlock on February 11th, 2009 @ 9:47am EST
neliz wrote:
Hollow One wrote:This might be an inappropriate thing to ask, but what will happen in terms of balencing the factions, will it be a similar situation to what we have now, with the numbers allowed in missions?


Mission structure is totally different so the number of players will have less of an effect.



I be quite looking forward to that and seeing how he got that whole issue fix with whatever idea it was.
Re: HMW: The first trailer for HMW2 is here! (882431)
Posted by Omega Sentinel on February 11th, 2009 @ 9:56am EST
Starlock wrote:
neliz wrote:
Hollow One wrote:This might be an inappropriate thing to ask, but what will happen in terms of balencing the factions, will it be a similar situation to what we have now, with the numbers allowed in missions?


Mission structure is totally different so the number of players will have less of an effect.



I be quite looking forward to that and seeing how he got that whole issue fix with whatever idea it was.
I've said this for a long time...Balance is the fault of a game, not the players.

The game will have built in functions to make each side playable and missions will be different. On top of that, missions will only be a part of what you can do.
Re: HMW: The first trailer for HMW2 is here! (882794)
Posted by Black Eyes on February 11th, 2009 @ 6:33pm EST
Look'n good OS....can't frig'n wait to actually play it!

I'm diggin pretty much everything your doing with V2.0, it looks like it will be much more open to customizing your Transformers which will be great :grin:

After seeing the teaser and now the trailer I've got a bazzillion questions running through my head...but I'm sure they will be answered in due time :mrgreen:
Re: HMW: The first trailer for HMW2 is here! (882941)
Posted by Starlock on February 11th, 2009 @ 11:49pm EST
Omega Sentinel wrote:
Starlock wrote:
neliz wrote:
Hollow One wrote:This might be an inappropriate thing to ask, but what will happen in terms of balencing the factions, will it be a similar situation to what we have now, with the numbers allowed in missions?


Mission structure is totally different so the number of players will have less of an effect.



I be quite looking forward to that and seeing how he got that whole issue fix with whatever idea it was.
I've said this for a long time...Balance is the fault of a game, not the players.

The game will have built in functions to make each side playable and missions will be different. On top of that, missions will only be a part of what you can do.


I think people be naming their children after you :P
Re: HMW: The first trailer for HMW2 is here! (883336)
Posted by Blackstreak on February 12th, 2009 @ 6:30pm EST
My question is in regards to weapon wielding. What benefit is there to wielding only one weapon? Obviously wielding 2 gives you more attacks, and wielding a 2-hander may potentially give more damage. This is typically how it should work anyways. So why would I NOT want to dual or 2-H wield?

BTW, I had pretty much quit playing HMW for the typical reasons of not really standing a chance w/ there being an overpowering of Decepticons versus Autobots. But this has got me excited.
Re: HMW: The first trailer for HMW2 is here! (883357)
Posted by Psychout on February 12th, 2009 @ 7:51pm EST
Blackstreak wrote:My question is in regards to weapon wielding. What benefit is there to wielding only one weapon? Obviously wielding 2 gives you more attacks, and wielding a 2-hander may potentially give more damage. This is typically how it should work anyways. So why would I NOT want to dual or 2-H wield?


Each indivdual shot will cost you energon, which will be scarce. You wouldn't want to blow it all on bullets if you'll need it to cover your CR costs.
Re: HMW: The first trailer for HMW2 is here! (883385)
Posted by Kickyourassacons on February 12th, 2009 @ 9:10pm EST
Will there be a repair tactic? and if so will there be a xp gain for the % you repair, like ram? Its hard to to get people to want to have a repair character because he doesn't produce much xp. This would create a "Team" battle and not individual performance.
Re: HMW: The first trailer for HMW2 is here! (883472)
Posted by neliz on February 13th, 2009 @ 4:11am EST
It would create "classes" much like any rpg, with ranged attackers, close combat, medics, maybe "stealthy/sneak" etc. but implementation of that should be beneficial on a level beyond what it is now. with experience being able to increase your proficiency with said tactic automatically instead of you dumping points in it..

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