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In hand Images of Takara Tomy Transformers Legends LG21 Hardhead and LG22 Skull Updated with Comic

Transformers News: In hand Images of Takara Tomy Transformers Legends LG21 Hardhead and LG22 Skull Updated with Comic

Saturday, July 23rd, 2016 8:00AM CDT

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We have more in hand images of of the Takara Transformers Legends figures that were released yesterday: Transformers Legends LG21 Hardhead and Transformers Legends LG22 Skull (Sukuru aka Skullsmasher)

These come from a variety of sources on Twitter as well as our Japan correspondant Matt, who took pictures of all sides of Skull's box. He was ¥3,530 ($34.43) at retail.

Enjoy!

Update

Matt also got us pictures of the comic inside and has given us a quick note on Skull(smasher's) stability:

Doesn't have any problem standing. He has fairly tight joints. The cockpit is that same soft plastic as the Hasbro version.


Transformers News: In hand Images of Takara Tomy Transformers Legends LG21 Hardhead and LG22 Skull

Transformers News: In hand Images of Takara Tomy Transformers Legends LG21 Hardhead and LG22 Skull

Transformers News: In hand Images of Takara Tomy Transformers Legends LG21 Hardhead and LG22 Skull

Transformers News: In hand Images of Takara Tomy Transformers Legends LG21 Hardhead and LG22 Skull

Transformers News: In hand Images of Takara Tomy Transformers Legends LG21 Hardhead and LG22 Skull

Transformers News: In hand Images of Takara Tomy Transformers Legends LG21 Hardhead and LG22 Skull

Transformers News: In hand Images of Takara Tomy Transformers Legends LG21 Hardhead and LG22 Skull

Transformers News: In hand Images of Takara Tomy Transformers Legends LG21 Hardhead and LG22 Skull


Transformers News: In hand Images of Takara Tomy Transformers Legends LG21 Hardhead and LG22 Skull

Transformers News: In hand Images of Takara Tomy Transformers Legends LG21 Hardhead and LG22 Skull

Transformers News: In hand Images of Takara Tomy Transformers Legends LG21 Hardhead and LG22 Skull

Transformers News: In hand Images of Takara Tomy Transformers Legends LG21 Hardhead and LG22 Skull

Transformers News: In hand Images of Takara Tomy Transformers Legends LG21 Hardhead and LG22 Skull

Transformers News: In hand Images of Takara Tomy Transformers Legends LG21 Hardhead and LG22 Skull

Transformers News: In hand Images of Takara Tomy Transformers Legends LG21 Hardhead and LG22 Skull

Transformers News: In hand Images of Takara Tomy Transformers Legends LG21 Hardhead and LG22 Skull
Credit(s): Twitter users Tagoal,, vanna 2552, Kaseki 2010 and Matt in Japan

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Re: In hand Images of Takara Tomy Transformers Legends LG21 Hardhead and LG22 Skull Updated with Comic (1808397)
Posted by Sabrblade on July 23rd, 2016 @ 8:07am CDT
Looks like the process of placing Skull's little Headmaster on Batora's Bird Mode is called "Ride On!"
Re: In hand Images of Takara Tomy Transformers Legends LG21 Hardhead and LG22 Skull Updated with Comic (1808400)
Posted by Kurona on July 23rd, 2016 @ 8:29am CDT
Aaaaaaagh Skullcruncher's head is perfect. I might just have to go Takara for this guy.
Re: In hand Images of Takara Tomy Transformers Legends LG21 Hardhead and LG22 Skull Updated with Comic (1808490)
Posted by Tigertrack on July 23rd, 2016 @ 2:56pm CDT
I wonder if Skully has a hard shell covering the pilot's cockpit, or if it is soft and rubbery like Hasbro's?
Re: In hand Images of Takara Tomy Transformers Legends LG21 Hardhead and LG22 Skull Updated with Comic (1808497)
Posted by william-james88 on July 23rd, 2016 @ 3:17pm CDT
Tigertrack wrote:I wonder if Skully has a hard shell covering the pilot's cockpit, or if it is soft and rubbery like Hasbro's?

I updated the article with the following testimony from Matt:

Doesn't have any problem standing. He has fairly tight joints. The cockpit is that same soft plastic as the Hasbro version.
Re: In hand Images of Takara Tomy Transformers Legends LG21 Hardhead and LG22 Skull Updated with Comic (1808506)
Posted by Cyberpath on July 23rd, 2016 @ 4:03pm CDT
Re: In hand Images of Takara Tomy Transformers Legends LG21 Hardhead and LG22 Skull Updated with Comic (1808507)
Posted by Kurona on July 23rd, 2016 @ 4:08pm CDT
It's annoying. Hasbro looks better in every way - Takara's brown just looks terrible - but I'd love to have a mouth on him.
Re: In hand Images of Takara Tomy Transformers Legends LG21 Hardhead and LG22 Skull Updated with Comic (1808517)
Posted by fenrir72 on July 23rd, 2016 @ 5:39pm CDT
Kurona wrote:It's annoying. Hasbro looks better in every way - Takara's brown just looks terrible - but I'd love to have a mouth on him.


PC monitor color images not always accurate to the real thing. That being said, both Hb and Takara look great at an initial impression.
Re: In hand Images of Takara Tomy Transformers Legends LG21 Hardhead and LG22 Skull Updated with Comic (1808520)
Posted by DedicatedGhostArt on July 23rd, 2016 @ 6:16pm CDT
fenrir72 wrote:
Kurona wrote:It's annoying. Hasbro looks better in every way - Takara's brown just looks terrible - but I'd love to have a mouth on him.


PC monitor color images not always accurate to the real thing. That being said, both Hb and Takara look great at an initial impression.


Yeah pretty much if Hasbro's had the mouth from Takara's it would look great. But, I still like the faceplate. I actually prefer toy accuracy a lot of times.
Re: In hand Images of Takara Tomy Transformers Legends LG21 Hardhead and LG22 Skull Updated with Comic (1808521)
Posted by Tigertrack on July 23rd, 2016 @ 6:21pm CDT
SillySpringer wrote:
fenrir72 wrote:
Kurona wrote:It's annoying. Hasbro looks better in every way - Takara's brown just looks terrible - but I'd love to have a mouth on him.


PC monitor color images not always accurate to the real thing. That being said, both Hb and Takara look great at an initial impression.


Yeah pretty much if Hasbro's had the mouth from Takara's it would look great. But, I still like the faceplate. I actually prefer toy accuracy a lot of times.


Sadly, I like both, and especially variants like these...
Re: In hand Images of Takara Tomy Transformers Legends LG21 Hardhead and LG22 Skull Updated with Comic (1808529)
Posted by Kurona on July 23rd, 2016 @ 6:48pm CDT
SillySpringer wrote:
fenrir72 wrote:
Kurona wrote:It's annoying. Hasbro looks better in every way - Takara's brown just looks terrible - but I'd love to have a mouth on him.


PC monitor color images not always accurate to the real thing. That being said, both Hb and Takara look great at an initial impression.


Yeah pretty much if Hasbro's had the mouth from Takara's it would look great. But, I still like the faceplate. I actually prefer toy accuracy a lot of times.

Oh yeah, I like the faceplate too so it's not like I'm disappointed to get it; I'm just sad I can't also have a mouth. Options yo
Re: In hand Images of Takara Tomy Transformers Legends LG21 Hardhead and LG22 Skull Updated with Comic (1808547)
Posted by DedicatedGhostArt on July 23rd, 2016 @ 7:46pm CDT
Kurona wrote:
SillySpringer wrote:
fenrir72 wrote:
Kurona wrote:It's annoying. Hasbro looks better in every way - Takara's brown just looks terrible - but I'd love to have a mouth on him.


PC monitor color images not always accurate to the real thing. That being said, both Hb and Takara look great at an initial impression.


Yeah pretty much if Hasbro's had the mouth from Takara's it would look great. But, I still like the faceplate. I actually prefer toy accuracy a lot of times.

Oh yeah, I like the faceplate too so it's not like I'm disappointed to get it; I'm just sad I can't also have a mouth. Options yo


That's why I with I could get Armor Knight Optimus Prime. :-P
Re: In hand Images of Takara Tomy Transformers Legends LG21 Hardhead and LG22 Skull Updated with Comic (1808599)
Posted by Cyberpath on July 24th, 2016 @ 1:46am CDT
LG35 stock photos:


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Source: http://hobby.dengeki.com/news/231637/




Takara Legends and UW Computron:

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Source: https://twitter.com/TF_pr
Re: In hand Images of Takara Tomy Transformers Legends LG21 Hardhead and LG22 Skull Updated with Comic (1808608)
Posted by fenrir72 on July 24th, 2016 @ 3:02am CDT
Cyberpath wrote:
LG35 stock photos:


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Source: http://hobby.dengeki.com/news/231637/




Takara Legends and UW Computron:

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Source: https://twitter.com/TF_pr


:shock:

Has his optics been given a coat of light blue warmed eye paint?

I remember to some effect about kids(Masterforce) saying that they trusted Ginrai in a certain episode because of those same warm blue optics.
Re: In hand Images of Takara Tomy Transformers Legends LG21 Hardhead and LG22 Skull Updated with Comic (1808609)
Posted by fenrir72 on July 24th, 2016 @ 3:08am CDT
Re: In hand Images of Takara Tomy Transformers Legends LG21 Hardhead and LG22 Skull Updated with Comic (1808614)
Posted by Logan. on July 24th, 2016 @ 4:11am CDT
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Re: In hand Images of Takara Tomy Transformers Legends LG21 Hardhead and LG22 Skull Updated with Comic (1808659)
Posted by william-james88 on July 24th, 2016 @ 9:08am CDT
Fellow Seibertronians Cyberpath, Logan 79 and Fenrir 72 have all helped us find the pictures we need for this news article providing you the best images of Takara Tranformers LG-35 Super Ginrai, Takara's version of Powermaster Optimus Prime.

We have stock images from Dengeki Hobby, some grey scale images from Wonderfest Summer 2016 and even comparisons to the Hasbro release.

There is a lot of retooling with the Takara version to the point where the base mode has a totally different look. The most obvious difference in vehicle mode is the cab while in robot mode it is the chest and feet. Speaking of the feet, while they may look off they are actually transformed correctly. It is meant to convey the look of the G1 toy. However, what is off is that those feet extend below the trailer panels that usually reach all the way down the leg in the toy and in the show. Let us know if you preffer this to the Hasbro version or if the Takara version is worth the import premium which has importers asking 95$ for him.

One last thing of note, in the Dengeki article, he is referred to as LG35 Thunderclap.

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Transformers Super God Masterforce Powermaster Optimus Prime (Super Ginrai) Gallery

UPDATE: A new 6 hour video from Dengeki Hobby reveals the titan master head of LG35 Super Ginrai, which had yet to be revealed. It is a miniature Optimus Prime head unlike the Orion Pax homage the Hasbro version sports. Plus they compared the two versions side by side.

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Re: In hand Images of Takara Tomy Transformers Legends LG21 Hardhead and LG22 Skull Updated with Comic (1808663)
Posted by Mechastrike on July 24th, 2016 @ 9:42am CDT
aren't the feet mistransformed?...






(scrolls down to bottom of article)





NEVER MIND! the feet looks way more accurate and cooler.
Re: In hand Images of Takara Tomy Transformers Legends LG21 Hardhead and LG22 Skull Updated with Comic (1808665)
Posted by william-james88 on July 24th, 2016 @ 9:45am CDT
Mechastrike wrote:NEVER MIND! the feet looks way more accurate and cooler.

But are they 90$ cooler?

I think they look bad and thats because the trailer panels dont extend down. It would look better if they did. But as it is, it just looks like Optimus is standing on boxes, like those idiots at halloween who think they are witty with their little people costumes.

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Re: In hand Images of Takara Tomy Transformers Legends LG21 Hardhead and LG22 Skull Updated with Comic (1808667)
Posted by LE0KING on July 24th, 2016 @ 9:47am CDT
Thunderclap huh? Is that foreshadowing a thunderclash repaint?

Please say yes.
Re: In hand Images of Takara Tomy Transformers Legends LG21 Hardhead and LG22 Skull Updated with Comic (1808668)
Posted by Kurona on July 24th, 2016 @ 9:47am CDT
That Optimus headmaster looks... pretty bad. Good thing there's a helmet; I'd pretty much just have the headmaster transformed all the time because GINRAI

The feet feel fine to me tbh.
Re: In hand Images of Takara Tomy Transformers Legends LG21 Hardhead and LG22 Skull Updated with Comic (1808676)
Posted by Randomhero on July 24th, 2016 @ 10:06am CDT
Kurona wrote:That Optimus headmaster looks... pretty bad. Good thing there's a helmet; I'd pretty much just have the headmaster transformed all the time because GINRAI

The feet feel fine to me tbh.



Yeah they're not awful. They're just odd. Personally I don't mind he Hasbro one, it'll be the one I own, if I ever find but it I will toddy that thing is damn gorgeous.
Re: In hand Images of Takara Tomy Transformers Legends LG21 Hardhead and LG22 Skull Updated with Comic (1808679)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on July 24th, 2016 @ 10:11am CDT
:michaelbay: THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR! :michaelbay:

As soon that the preorders are up, I shall preorder it with the power of a thousands suns!

:-?

Still, Hasbro's Powermaster version is SO different, it may be worth owning.... But only at the 30$CAN sale.
Re: In hand Images of Takara Tomy Transformers Legends LG21 Hardhead and LG22 Skull Updated with Comic (1808682)
Posted by Randomhero on July 24th, 2016 @ 10:15am CDT
-Kanrabat- wrote::michaelbay: THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR! :michaelbay:

As soon that the preorders are up, I shall preorder it with the power of a thousands suns!

:-?

Still, Hasbro's Powermaster version is SO different, it may be worth owning.... But only at the 30$CAN sale.



They're up in most online shops. $90 US though. That's way too steep for me sadly for a toy
Re: In hand Images of Takara Tomy Transformers Legends LG21 Hardhead and LG22 Skull Updated with Comic (1808689)
Posted by Logan. on July 24th, 2016 @ 10:30am CDT
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Re: In hand Images of Takara Tomy Transformers Legends LG21 Hardhead and LG22 Skull Updated with Comic (1808691)
Posted by Cyberstrike on July 24th, 2016 @ 10:49am CDT
I think I'll get both, Powermaster Optimus Prime is my favorite version of Optimus Prime.

I already own:
2 original US versions.
The Black Japanese TRU exclusive Super Convoy.
An original 100% complete MITB of God Ginrai.
The Japanese reissue of God Ginrai.
The Hasbro reissue of God Ginrai as Powermaster Optimus Prime with Apex Armor.

So what's two more?
Re: In hand Images of Takara Tomy Transformers Legends LG21 Hardhead and LG22 Skull Updated with Comic (1808693)
Posted by Kurona on July 24th, 2016 @ 10:57am CDT
If anyone in the UK is interested in it; Kapow have reduced it's pre-order price right off the bat to that of just above a leader-class.
https://www.kapowtoys.co.uk/transformer ... inrai.html
Re: In hand Images of Takara Tomy Transformers Legends LG21 Hardhead and LG22 Skull Updated with Comic (1808695)
Posted by Sabrblade on July 24th, 2016 @ 11:10am CDT
Super Ginrai's arms and hands are new too.
Re: In hand Images of Takara Tomy Transformers Legends LG21 Hardhead and LG22 Skull Updated with Comic (1808722)
Posted by Cyberpath on July 24th, 2016 @ 12:12pm CDT
That little Optimus Prime headmaster is pretty cute. Too bad it's not sold separately. That and Hasbro's Cerebros.
Re: In hand Images of Takara Tomy Transformers Legends LG21 Hardhead and LG22 Skull Updated with Comic (1808725)
Posted by Kurona on July 24th, 2016 @ 12:13pm CDT
Cyberpath wrote:That little Optimus Prime headmaster is pretty cute. Too bad it's not sold separately, too. That and Hasbro's Cerebros.

Remember; we will be getting an Optimus Headmaster from the upcoming Voyager anyway.
Re: In hand Images of Takara Tomy Transformers Legends LG21 Hardhead and LG22 Skull Updated with Comic (1808726)
Posted by Cyberpath on July 24th, 2016 @ 12:17pm CDT
Kurona wrote:Remember; we will be getting an Optimus Headmaster from the upcoming Voyager anyway.

Just want the head though. :)
Re: In hand Images of Takara Tomy Transformers Legends LG21 Hardhead and LG22 Skull Updated with Comic (1808727)
Posted by Ultra Markus on July 24th, 2016 @ 12:20pm CDT
another clear winner from takara 8-)
Re: In hand Images of Takara Tomy Transformers Legends LG21 Hardhead and LG22 Skull Updated with Comic (1808778)
Posted by galvatron00 on July 24th, 2016 @ 3:51pm CDT
It really is amazing the extra effort put into Super Ginrai. And I'm even being swayed to Takara's Galvatron!! What the heck.
Re: In hand Images of Takara Tomy Transformers Legends LG21 Hardhead and LG22 Skull Updated with Comic (1808783)
Posted by LOST Cybertronian on July 24th, 2016 @ 4:04pm CDT
The feet on Super Ginrai look horrible
Re: In hand Images of Takara Tomy Transformers Legends LG21 Hardhead and LG22 Skull Updated with Comic (1808795)
Posted by Grahf_ on July 24th, 2016 @ 4:49pm CDT
This is one that really is better looking than the Hasbro version. However, it's not twice the price better to me and I don't even have the TR version yet. I can get Blaster and PMOP for the price of this guy.

I'm getting Legends Blurr and Astrotrain and that's it so far. Mainly because I stupidly didn't preorder Scourge and Galvatron and now I regret it. I still want the TR version of each but I wanted the Legends versions as well. I also want the Legends deluxes that come with with little vehicles but the prices on those are a little higher than I'm comfortable with. I wish Takara would just release those separately.
Re: In hand Images of Takara Tomy Transformers Legends LG21 Hardhead and LG22 Skull Updated with Comic (1808796)
Posted by Ironhidensh on July 24th, 2016 @ 4:52pm CDT
william-james88 wrote:Fellow Seibertronians Cyberpath, Logan 79 and Fenrir 72 have all helped us find the pictures we need for this news article providing you the best images of Takara Tranformers LG-35 Super Ginrai, Takara's version of Powermaster Optimus Prime.

We have stock images from Dengeki Hobby, some grey scale images from Wonderfest Summer 2016 and even comparisons to the Hasbro release.

There is a lot of retooling with the Takara version to the point where the base mode has a totally different look. The most obvious difference in vehicle mode is the cab while in robot mode it is the chest and feet. Speaking of the feet, while they may look off they are actually transformed correctly. It is meant to convey the look of the G1 toy. However, what is off is that those feet extend below the trailer panels that usually reach all the way down the leg in the toy and in the show. Let us know if you preffer this to the Hasbro version or if the Takara version is worth the import premium which has importers asking 95$ for him.

One last thing of note, in the Dengeki article, he is referred to as LG35 Thunderclap.

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Transformers Super God Masterforce Powermaster Optimus Prime (Super Ginrai) Gallery

UPDATE: A new 6 hour video from Dengeki Hobby reveals the titan master head of LG35 Super Ginrai, which had yet to be revealed. It is a miniature Optimus Prime head unlike the Orion Pax homage the Hasbro version sports. Plus they compared the two versions side by side.

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Oh. My. God.

So fucking sold. Seriously, this is amazing. I'll gladly pay 100 bucks for him. Screw you Hasbro, you cost cutting bastards.
Re: In hand Images of Takara Tomy Transformers Legends LG21 Hardhead and LG22 Skull Updated with Comic (1808797)
Posted by Cyberpath on July 24th, 2016 @ 4:56pm CDT
Alpha Weltall wrote:This is one that really is better looking than the Hasbro version. However, it's not twice the price better to me and I don't even have the TR version yet. I can get Blaster and PMOP for the price of this guy.

I'm getting Legends Blurr and Astrotrain and that's it so far. Mainly because I stupidly didn't preorder Scourge and Galvatron and now I regret it. I still want the TR version of each but I wanted the Legends versions as well. I also want the Legends deluxes that come with with little vehicles but the prices on those are a little higher than I'm comfortable with. I wish Takara would just release those separately.


If it helps, Galvatron is still in-stock at HLJ:
http://hlj.com/product/TKT86848/Sci?utm_source=seibertron.com&=&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=news%20post

And Scourge is still available for pre-order:
http://hlj.com/product/TKT86851/Sci?utm_source=seibertron.com&=&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=news%20post
Re: In hand Images of Takara Tomy Transformers Legends LG21 Hardhead and LG22 Skull Updated with Comic (1808818)
Posted by Grahf_ on July 24th, 2016 @ 6:18pm CDT
Cyberpath wrote:
Alpha Weltall wrote:This is one that really is better looking than the Hasbro version. However, it's not twice the price better to me and I don't even have the TR version yet. I can get Blaster and PMOP for the price of this guy.

I'm getting Legends Blurr and Astrotrain and that's it so far. Mainly because I stupidly didn't preorder Scourge and Galvatron and now I regret it. I still want the TR version of each but I wanted the Legends versions as well. I also want the Legends deluxes that come with with little vehicles but the prices on those are a little higher than I'm comfortable with. I wish Takara would just release those separately.


If it helps, Galvatron is still in-stock at HLJ:
http://hlj.com/product/TKT86848/Sci?utm_source=seibertron.com&=&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=news%20post

And Scourge is still available for pre-order:
http://hlj.com/product/TKT86851/Sci?utm_source=seibertron.com&=&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=news%20post

Thanks! I stopped looking after a few sites had them listed as sold out.
Re: In hand Images of Takara Tomy Transformers Legends LG21 Hardhead and LG22 Skull Updated with Comic (1808821)
Posted by william-james88 on July 24th, 2016 @ 6:32pm CDT
Ironhidensh wrote:Screw you Hasbro, you cost cutting bastards.

But doesnt the high price tag anticipated from this Takara product (since importers are already charging 20$ more than they did for the last Legends Leader figure) prove that Hasbro was just trying to keep things at the same price range instead of augmenting the price? Takara has a higher cost but passes it off to the consumer or so I am assuming in this case.
Re: In hand Images of Takara Tomy Transformers Legends LG21 Hardhead and LG22 Skull Updated with Comic (1808823)
Posted by Ironhidensh on July 24th, 2016 @ 6:43pm CDT
william-james88 wrote:
Ironhidensh wrote:Screw you Hasbro, you cost cutting bastards.

But doesnt the high price tag anticipated from this Takara product (since importers are already charging 20$ more than they did for the last Legends Leader figure) prove that Hasbro was just trying to keep things at the same price range instead of augmenting the price? Takara has a higher cost but passes it off to the consumer or so I am assuming in this case.

Worth it. It would be nice if Hasbro offered more than bottom of the barrel options. They would get more of my money.
Re: In hand Images of Takara Tomy Transformers Legends LG21 Hardhead and LG22 Skull Updated with Comic (1808824)
Posted by steals_your_goats on July 24th, 2016 @ 6:48pm CDT
Ironhidensh wrote:
william-james88 wrote:
Ironhidensh wrote:Screw you Hasbro, you cost cutting bastards.

But doesnt the high price tag anticipated from this Takara product (since importers are already charging 20$ more than they did for the last Legends Leader figure) prove that Hasbro was just trying to keep things at the same price range instead of augmenting the price? Takara has a higher cost but passes it off to the consumer or so I am assuming in this case.

Worth it. It would be nice if Hasbro offered more than bottom of the barrel options. They would get more of my money.

I don't see how an extensive retool is a bottom of the barrel option. But then again nothing Hasbro does is good enough for you >:oP
Re: In hand Images of Takara Tomy Transformers Legends LG21 Hardhead and LG22 Skull Updated with Comic (1808846)
Posted by Sabrblade on July 24th, 2016 @ 8:47pm CDT
Ironhidensh wrote:
william-james88 wrote:
Ironhidensh wrote:Screw you Hasbro, you cost cutting bastards.

But doesnt the high price tag anticipated from this Takara product (since importers are already charging 20$ more than they did for the last Legends Leader figure) prove that Hasbro was just trying to keep things at the same price range instead of augmenting the price? Takara has a higher cost but passes it off to the consumer or so I am assuming in this case.

Worth it. It would be nice if Hasbro offered more than bottom of the barrel options. They would get more of my money.
Compared to the original version of the mold, Hasbro's retooling of Ultra Magnus into Powermaster Optimus Prime seems far more extensive than Takara's retooling of Powermaster Optimus Prime into Super Ginrai. In the former case, Hasbro retooled nearly the entirety of the mold itself from head to ankle, with barely any common aspects left between Magnus and Prime. But with the latter case, Takara merely changed the cab/inner torso, the outer torso, the forearms, the Titan Master, and the feet, along with two gun accessories, with virtually everything else left unaltered and identical in molding between Prime and Ginrai.

What's more is that Hasbro's figure is exactly what it was meant to be: An update of the Powermaster Optimus Prime design. Takara could have easily used the Hasbro version as is, since it is every bit as an update to the Super Ginrai design as it is an update to the Powermaster OP design, what with Super Ginrai and PMOP sharing the exact same original design in the 80's, with only their hands, smokestacks, and some of their colors differing between the two on a visual level.

For Takara's figure, however, the extra work they've done actually regresses the original intent behind Hasbro's figure, as the changed elements on Takara's figure no longer resemble as much of an update to the original design as Hasbro's figure, but now instead the changes more closely resemble the same original design with less updating to it. Sure, there's still the updates made to the mechanics of the figure via the implementation of modern day toy engineering, but in terms of aesthetics, the visual design has lost the original updated design manifested by the Hasbro figure, and has instead taken to more closely imitating the original design from 28 years ago in a vein similar to the Masterpiece line, but without any of the MP line's level of engineering.

In this regard, Takara's figure may have had more work put into it, but at the cost of contradicting the essential nature of the CHUG-style toylines. That is, taking the older character designs and updating them for the modern age. The MP line is what takes the original designs and replicates them into modern toy form, yet Takara has effectively put that strategy into this figure, as opposed to the more established strategy of the CHUG-style toylines, thereby partially undoing what was originally intended for this figure in the first place.
Re: In hand Images of Takara Tomy Transformers Legends LG21 Hardhead and LG22 Skull Updated with Comic (1808848)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on July 24th, 2016 @ 9:02pm CDT
You got a very valid point here, Sarblade. Somewaht, the first surprise passed, I'm a bit disapointed by the Takara on second thought. It's just... well... the same. TOO MUCH the same. Honestly, the only thing I really don't like about the HAsbro version is the hollow arms and the accurate red fists.

I'm surprising myself, but on second thought, I think I'll go the Hasbro route. Those arms may be easy to mod with some shapeway upgrade kit down the line.
Re: In hand Images of Takara Tomy Transformers Legends LG21 Hardhead and LG22 Skull Updated with Comic (1808849)
Posted by Sabrblade on July 24th, 2016 @ 9:09pm CDT
In other news, we now got an English summary for the events of that Legends comic that showed how the Headmasters and company got their Legends bodies:
In the year 2021, Fortress Maximus's Autobots clash with a returned Scorponok's Decepticons over a giant black hole that the Decepticon seeks to explode, hoping to destroy the Autobots and create plasma energy in one fell swoop. Accusing his nemesis of being mad with revenge, Fortress has his troops recover what explosives they can, only for Scorponok to detonate the rest with no concern for his own soldiers. Fortress sends Wheelie and their human friends to safety as the blast wave hits Autobots and Decepticons alike, shrinking their bodies into super deformed forms! An examination shows that being exposed to the exploding black holes has caused miniature black holes ("blackballs") to appear in their bodies, shrinking their mass and threatening to collapse the Autobots in on themselves if nothing is done.

The cassettes inside of Twincast prove to be unaffected and the Headmasters simply disconnect from their affected Transtectors, but the other Autobots are still in danger. Seeing no other option, Fortress has their heads removed and retrofitted into Headmasters as their bodies continue to shrink and eventually pop out of existence. In order to get everyone new bodies, he then suggests they visit the Legends Universe, recalling the creation of their comrades Roadbuster and Whirl. Having tracked the dimension's space-time coordinates from the two Wreckers' residual radiation, he sets out to travel there via solitarium straight away—because the battleship Maximus that makes up his body is also shrinking. As they depart, the Autobots wonder if the affected Decepticons have had the same idea, and indeed the Decepticon Headmasters have already reached the Legends Universe and struck a deal with Tera-Kura Co. scientist Tarantulas to make them new bodies. Furthermore, Tarantulas has his own scheme in mind, intending to use the Decepticons to conquer the world for himself!
Re: In hand Images of Takara Tomy Transformers Legends LG21 Hardhead and LG22 Skull Updated with Comic (1808850)
Posted by Sigma Magnus on July 24th, 2016 @ 9:13pm CDT
I was wondering how they'd explain that...interesting. :D
Re: In hand Images of Takara Tomy Transformers Legends LG21 Hardhead and LG22 Skull Updated with Comic (1808854)
Posted by Ironhidensh on July 24th, 2016 @ 9:44pm CDT
Sabrblade wrote:a lot of good stuff


Bottom line, Hasbro can't even be bothered to paint rims. Might be a tiny detail, but one that matters to me a whole lot.

To me, Hasbro's headmaster prime isn't worth $50. Takara's is worth a hundred to me.
Re: In hand Images of Takara Tomy Transformers Legends LG21 Hardhead and LG22 Skull Updated with Comic (1808868)
Posted by william-james88 on July 24th, 2016 @ 10:19pm CDT
Ironhidensh wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:a lot of good stuff


Bottom line, Hasbro can't even be bothered to paint rims. Might be a tiny detail, but one that matters to me a whole lot.

To me, Hasbro's headmaster prime isn't worth $50. Takara's is worth a hundred to me.

You sound like me a year ago when I had preordered UW Devastator :lol:
Re: In hand Images of Takara Tomy Transformers Legends LG21 Hardhead and LG22 Skull Updated with Comic (1808876)
Posted by fenrir72 on July 24th, 2016 @ 10:57pm CDT
Ironhidensh wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:a lot of good stuff


Bottom line, Hasbro can't even be bothered to paint rims. Might be a tiny detail, but one that matters to me a whole lot.

To me, Hasbro's headmaster prime isn't worth $50. Takara's is worth a hundred to me.



This. :APPLAUSE:

Oh and sometimes, what ain't broke, don't fix it. I like the "retro" look of Ginrai. Iconic all around good guy look. TT PM Optimus also looks BOSS..... except for the rim job.

I remember all the flack TT/UW Mixmaster got when Hb/TT altered his truck mode. #-o
Re: In hand Images of Takara Tomy Transformers Legends LG21 Hardhead and LG22 Skull Updated with Comic (1808877)
Posted by fenrir72 on July 24th, 2016 @ 11:08pm CDT
william-james88 wrote:
Ironhidensh wrote:Screw you Hasbro, you cost cutting bastards.

But doesnt the high price tag anticipated from this Takara product (since importers are already charging 20$ more than they did for the last Legends Leader figure) prove that Hasbro was just trying to keep things at the same price range instead of augmenting the price? Takara has a higher cost but passes it off to the consumer or so I am assuming in this case.


Maybe one factor that hasn't been mentioned is the Yen's appreciation? Iirc, there was the premise was that the cost of TFs in Japan are more or less at par with the Hb int'l releases?

Then comes the Yen's appreciation. Same thing happened back in the 80s too. Yen appreciated and all but killed the planed Robotech Sentinels series.

Hopefully the Yen will go back to its lower levels in a few months.
Re: In hand Images of Takara Tomy Transformers Legends LG21 Hardhead and LG22 Skull Updated with Comic (1808880)
Posted by bvzxa on July 24th, 2016 @ 11:22pm CDT
Ok Hasbro fanboys trying to rationale the hollow arm and non painted rims as awesome retooling from Ultra Magnus having me smhd. Takara basically said "screw your design Hasbro" made it better and I believe the retooling will be for a future Godbomber to combine with the toy. So go Takara once again you did your thing and you will get my money.
Re: In hand Images of Takara Tomy Transformers Legends LG21 Hardhead and LG22 Skull Updated with Comic (1808903)
Posted by gavinfuzzy on July 25th, 2016 @ 5:27am CDT
fenrir72 wrote:
william-james88 wrote:
Ironhidensh wrote:Screw you Hasbro, you cost cutting bastards.

But doesnt the high price tag anticipated from this Takara product (since importers are already charging 20$ more than they did for the last Legends Leader figure) prove that Hasbro was just trying to keep things at the same price range instead of augmenting the price? Takara has a higher cost but passes it off to the consumer or so I am assuming in this case.


Maybe one factor that hasn't been mentioned is the Yen's appreciation? Iirc, there was the premise was that the cost of TFs in Japan are more or less at par with the Hb int'l releases?

Then comes the Yen's appreciation. Same thing happened back in the 80s too. Yen appreciated and all but killed the planed Robotech Sentinels series.

Hopefully the Yen will go back to its lower levels in a few months.


In Singapore, the retail price of a hasbro Titans Returns Leader figure is $99.9 SGD ($73.5 US). Hobby stores are asking ~$105-115 SGD (~$80US) for the takara LG version.

So yeah, I believe Takara's pricing for this figure is akin to hasbro's international retail.

Takara deluxes, on the other hand.... Even when you factor in the extra vehicle it comes with, it still is pretty pricey.

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