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Interview with Hasui Shogo regarding Takara Transformers Unite Warriors UW 04 Devastator

Transformers News: Interview with Hasui Shogo regarding Takara Transformers Unite Warriors UW 04 Devastator

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This is really really cool. As a fan of the toys first and foremost, I really like getting an inside look at the process and decisions that took place when producing a toy. The latest Figure King magazine actually had an interview with Hasui Shogo, the man behind MP-10 and a truck load (ha!) of MP figures as well as most Starscream figures since Armada, regarding his work as Devastator's main designer. The interview was translated by TF fan Deruji who posted in on a TFW board.

There are a few points which seem quite important. Not only was the strict budget to explain for the simplified voyagers, but a strict parts count as well. This could easily explain why the articulation is lacking. Since the production was a bit rushed, Hasui Shogo used design elements from a previously concieved Masterpiece design he had done a while back. The budget and parts count made him take away a few elements bit by bit which were instead kept for the Unite Warriors version, which was developped under Hisashi Yuki (the guy who keeps posting pics all the time on twitter). The retractable visor was Yuki's idea.

Figure King #210 p. 126-127 wrote:page 126
UW04
In Charge of the Development of the Overseas Version of Devastator
Hasui Shogo

Q: What were the details of having chosen Devastator as a large scale item this time?
A: The proposal was from Hasbro. They referred to it as "a kickass product", because Metroplex, a project that many fans wished for to be realized as a super giant product, was popular, it came to be that Devastator was chosen as the second one. It was done due to the timing of the Combiner Wars series just being developed, and so the plan to try and turn it into a product to symbolize the Combiner Wars was advanced. In order to cover the correspondingly large sum investment, it seemed to have been a difficulty even for the Hasbro company to let such a plan be accepted.

Q: How did you decide on the size?
A: The height of the previous figure Metroplex, I considered the play value of combining and it was calculated that the size would have "a height of 45cm". This height and "the fact that 6 Constructicons combine and turn into 1 robot", "that it woulde be 6 newer and different types of construction machines" were the essential conditions from the Hasbro company. To clear these conditions, it was okay to disperse/vary the height of the disconnected robots , although the design before and after combining changed from the time of G1, it was good. But afterall apart from myself I thought about how the respected G1 Devastator configuration should be; then I proposed the current design. Because I thought this was the course of action that the fans strongly wished for. So, implementing this height of 45cm was accordingly difficult, for the combining process several I had to come up with several clever ideas.

Q: In total, this is considerably close to the G1 version, right?
A: Concerning the points that are designed based on the original G1 version, it's constructed similar to a masterpiece (transformer). The toy of course incorporated elements of the anime design. In fact to clear the tight development schedule, there are parts where I apropriated ideas for use in an MP Devastator that I had written down a long time before. I thought: "doesn't this seem like the only chance I can make a giant MP Devastator, if I do my best here then the thing that the fans eagerly waited for can be realized". I had the sense that there was nothing like it before. If it surpassed a masterpiece wouldn't that be terrible (smile).

Q: What is the charm of the character of Devastator from your(Hasui's) point of view?
A: I think that he is a symbol of the strength of the Decepticons. Because the Constructicons combine and become the giant Devastator, an absolute power difference between the Autobots and the Decepticons is born. I think that the feeling of despair of the Autobots at that time is the charm of Devastator. Combining shook up the enemy side with the situation of the Autobots fighting against a giant enemy.

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page 127

Q: What were the points in development that troubled you?
A: Generally speaking the development schedule and parts count was strict, you know. Because making 6 voyager class (figures) rather than having prepared only a development schedule and parts count for making just 1 Metroplex (figure). Usually if you make one, an hypothesis is made for the mobility that every robot can use, the degree of mobility legs and arms move before and after. Generally, because there was no precedent for such a size of Transformers combiner, several things were quite difficult.

Q: For the modern combiner warriors multiple people were in charge, you (Hasui) alone were responsible for Devastator, right?
A: Yes. Because it was a product that if you did not make and look at the complete balance by yourself, you would never reach the goal. But, the advancement of 6 combiners at the same time was a continuous hardship which I had not experienced up to now.

Q: This time you turned surplus parts into weapons, right?
A: I was also able to construct it so that surplus parts got lost/disappeared, but if I did that the parts count and hinges would increase have and the cost would have risen. Still, at first due to making 6 (figures) and being at the limit, there was no spare room for making weapon parts. For that reason, to make them separate items at the time, I dared to propose to make a few parts into handheld weapons.

Q: In regards to the domestic version, there were some requested points from you (Hasui), I suppose.
A: Hisashi Yuki was responsible for the domestic version, he decided the specifications at the time, in the beginning he listened to/asked my opinions. Generally speaking for the foreign version, achieving the internal costs was number one, therefore he told me of opinions and ideas he held off on. Because his ideas were included there the final specifications of the domestic version were able to be made. The visor gimmick was Yuki's idea, you know.

Q: What kind of itmes are you (Hasui) presently in charge of?
A: Currently I'm in the middle of being in charge of foreign items. Of the currently released some things from "Generations", in "Adventure" I'm in charge of Big Bumblebee and Big Grimlock. For the extending gimmick in Big Bumblebee's feet I took some hints from 'Sky Garry'. For Big Grimlock also generally__ I became aware of a different transformation, it became a product that specialized in a degree of satisfaction and sense of accomplishment according to the transformation. For these the concept of Kung-Fu like and somewhat flashy transformations, that made you look and be surprised was called "Trans-Fu".

Q: Please let us hear the salespoint for Devastator as a developer.
A: For the domestic specifications I want the thought, that I wanted to focus on the separate characters, to reflect that. As separate items they are easy to play with, please experience the times they can turn into things that can be enjoyed. In any case I aimed to the last to produce the G1 image. I combined masterpiece and also scale, I aimed for a tall height that was bigger than Prowl and the others and smaller than Soundwave. After combining, in particular scenes the size was all over, but (smile) I combined the images and mixed together masterpiece and generations, if you can play with a Devastator that's just as you like that's enjoyable, right?

Transformers News: Interview with Hasui Shogo regarding Takara Transformers Unite Warriors UW 04 Devastator

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Re: Interview with Hasui Shogo regarding Takara Transformers Unite Warriors UW 04 Devastator (1714558)
Posted by Wolfman Jake on July 30th, 2015 @ 12:46pm CDT
Very nice interview! That also sheds some light on how the "Devastaor will be released as 6 individual Masterpiece figures" rumor started a while back. Although I do appreciate the love and effort that went into Unite Warriors Devastator, I don't think it quite hits the "Masterpiece" mark when compared to the proper Masterpiece figures, but it sure does fill that gap in my Classics collection effortlessly.
Re: Interview with Hasui Shogo regarding Takara Transformers Unite Warriors UW 04 Devastator (1714562)
Posted by Cyberpath on July 30th, 2015 @ 1:06pm CDT
The individual Constructicons look kind of "cheap" next to a real MP-figure, but the combined-mode seems to fit fairly well. Devastator could go with either CHUG or MP.

Sounds like Hasui is still invested in the MP line (that comment about making the Constructicons taller than Prowl but shorter than Soundwave for instance.) Which isn't surprising, the current incarnation of the line was his brainchild. But it also sounds like he's not coming back anytime soon..
Re: Interview with Hasui Shogo regarding Takara Transformers Unite Warriors UW 04 Devastator (1714577)
Posted by User897 on July 30th, 2015 @ 2:21pm CDT
Thanks again to Hasbro for making sure the USA version has less parts. :HEADHURTS:
Re: Interview with Hasui Shogo regarding Takara Transformers Unite Warriors UW 04 Devastator (1714579)
Posted by william-james88 on July 30th, 2015 @ 2:45pm CDT
User897 wrote:Thanks again to Hasbro for making sure the USA version has less parts. :HEADHURTS:


I KNOW :-x When I read that interview, it was not hard to read between the lines and see what he was referring to. That statement explains everything, the lack of weapons, the odd joints, especially the deal with Scrapper's arms. Stability my a$$, it was just the ideal place to not have to install extra pieces. And plus joints demand more pieces since you have to deal with the pins as well (which he explains). It's reading stuff like this which makes me glad I got the Takara version. And I am super glad to know that their UW 04 is exactly what they wished their Devastator to be from their original planning.
Re: Interview with Hasui Shogo regarding Takara Transformers Unite Warriors UW 04 Devastator (1714581)
Posted by Rated X on July 30th, 2015 @ 2:48pm CDT
Gotta love the way they avoided asking any question regarding Mixmasters alt mode. If I wrote the questions, I would have put his ass on the spot...str8 up !
Re: Interview with Hasui Shogo regarding Takara Transformers Unite Warriors UW 04 Devastator (1714583)
Posted by Sabrblade on July 30th, 2015 @ 2:54pm CDT
Rated X wrote:Gotta love the way they avoided asking any question regarding Mixmasters alt mode. If I wrote the questions, I would have put his ass on the spot...str8 up !
Hasui plainly said that one of the conditions set upon him by Hasbro was "that it would be 6 newer and different types of construction machines". Hasbro told him to make the vehicles that they wanted, so he did.
Re: Interview with Hasui Shogo regarding Takara Transformers Unite Warriors UW 04 Devastator (1714587)
Posted by william-james88 on July 30th, 2015 @ 3:12pm CDT
Sabrblade wrote:
Rated X wrote:Gotta love the way they avoided asking any question regarding Mixmasters alt mode. If I wrote the questions, I would have put his ass on the spot...str8 up !
Hasui plainly said that one of the conditions set upon him by Hasbro was "that it would be 6 newer and different types of construction machines". Hasbro told him to make the vehicles that they wanted, so he did.


Yeah, thats what I gathered. He said making them more G1 was something that came later in the design phase. So it makes sense that the initial project as it was brought to Takara was to make it more of an update (generations style), as it was with Arcee when she was first brought to the table.

I find he doesnt stop himself from speaking of his frustrations, which makes this interview very honest, at least to me.
Re: Interview with Hasui Shogo regarding Takara Transformers Unite Warriors UW 04 Devastator (1714589)
Posted by DedicatedGhostArt on July 30th, 2015 @ 3:18pm CDT
I think it's pretty cool to hear the opinions of the guy who is mostly responsible for this Devy. Now I'm starting to think I wanna save up for the Unite Warriors version instead of the retail version! Cuz Scrapper and Longhaul need elbows! :lol:
Re: Interview with Hasui Shogo regarding Takara Transformers Unite Warriors UW 04 Devastator (1714590)
Posted by User897 on July 30th, 2015 @ 3:20pm CDT
Oh it's honest alright. An honest shaft to USA fans yet again. I am beyond tired of the "Oh yeah, we'll get it here in the USA, but if you want the REAL deal, you'll have to pay for Takara!"
Re: Interview with Hasui Shogo regarding Takara Transformers Unite Warriors UW 04 Devastator (1714591)
Posted by Cobotron on July 30th, 2015 @ 3:25pm CDT
Hasui Shogo - the Master of Trans-FU!!! :lol:
Great interview. Always nice to hear from the creators.
Re: Interview with Hasui Shogo regarding Takara Transformers Unite Warriors UW 04 Devastator (1714593)
Posted by william-james88 on July 30th, 2015 @ 3:32pm CDT
User897 wrote:Oh it's honest alright. An honest shaft to USA fans yet again. I am beyond tired of the "Oh yeah, we'll get it here in the USA, but if you want the REAL deal, you'll have to pay for Takara!"


Well it's not his fault. I mean Hasbro gave him a limit on pieces, that sucks.

But I dont get the part of "paying for takara". We have to pay for Hasbro too and Takara is the same price, you just have to pay for shipping:

http://www.amiami.com/top/detail/detail?gcode=FIGURE-012326&page=top%2Fsearch%2Flist%3Fs_keywords%3Ddevastator%24pagemax%3D40%24getcnt%3D0%24pagecnt%3D1

18,730 Yen = 150.85 $ US

Same Price :DANCE:

Takara isnt getting more money from you than Hasbro would. They are actually getting less since they paid extra to give you better quality and financed their own internal design team when they could easily have just used the same Hasbro designs and called it a day.
Re: Interview with Hasui Shogo regarding Takara Transformers Unite Warriors UW 04 Devastator (1714594)
Posted by william-james88 on July 30th, 2015 @ 3:33pm CDT
Cobotron wrote:Hasui Shogo - the Master of Trans-FU!!! :lol:
Great interview. Always nice to hear from the creators.


You know what's crazy? That means that those 3 step RIDs that everyone hates are actually designed by the MP master himself. And inspired by Sky Garry. WOAH!
Re: Interview with Hasui Shogo regarding Takara Transformers Unite Warriors UW 04 Devastator (1714602)
Posted by megatronus on July 30th, 2015 @ 4:15pm CDT
william-james88 wrote:
User897 wrote:Oh it's honest alright. An honest shaft to USA fans yet again. I am beyond tired of the "Oh yeah, we'll get it here in the USA, but if you want the REAL deal, you'll have to pay for Takara!"


Well it's not his fault. I mean Hasbro gave him a limit on pieces, that sucks.

But I dont get the part of "paying for takara". We have to pay for Hasbro too and Takara is the same price, you just have to pay for shipping:

http://www.amiami.com/top/detail/detail?gcode=FIGURE-012326&page=top%2Fsearch%2Flist%3Fs_keywords%3Ddevastator%24pagemax%3D40%24getcnt%3D0%24pagecnt%3D1

18,730 Yen = 150.85 $ US

Same Price :DANCE:

Takara isnt getting more money from you than Hasbro would. They are actually getting less since they paid extra to give you better quality and financed their own internal design team when they could easily have just used the same Hasbro designs and called it a day.

Or you could have gone with Anime-Export:

17,500 Yen = 140.95 $ US

Though you have to pay upfront with them, which might be tough for many.
Re: Interview with Hasui Shogo regarding Takara Transformers Unite Warriors UW 04 Devastator (1714611)
Posted by hinomars19 on July 30th, 2015 @ 5:10pm CDT
william-james88 wrote:
User897 wrote:Thanks again to Hasbro for making sure the USA version has less parts. :HEADHURTS:


I KNOW :-x When I read that interview, it was not hard to read between the lines and see what he was referring to. That statement explains everything, the lack of weapons, the odd joints, especially the deal with Scrapper's arms. Stability my a$$, it was just the ideal place to not have to install extra pieces. And plus joints demand more pieces since you have to deal with the pins as well (which he explains). It's reading stuff like this which makes me glad I got the Takara version. And I am super glad to know that their UW 04 is exactly what they wished their Devastator to be from their original planning.


It baffles and bothers me slightly that anybody bought the stability issue. Of course it's parts count and plastic use.
There was an interview with a Takara designer some time past (don't remember who, sadly), and he stated how the figures have to be WEIGHED! If they don't fit within a pre-determined weight then plastic has to be removed.
Re: Interview with Hasui Shogo regarding Takara Transformers Unite Warriors UW 04 Devastator (1714614)
Posted by Cobotron on July 30th, 2015 @ 5:24pm CDT
hinomars19 wrote:
william-james88 wrote:
User897 wrote:Thanks again to Hasbro for making sure the USA version has less parts. :HEADHURTS:


I KNOW :-x When I read that interview, it was not hard to read between the lines and see what he was referring to. That statement explains everything, the lack of weapons, the odd joints, especially the deal with Scrapper's arms. Stability my a$$, it was just the ideal place to not have to install extra pieces. And plus joints demand more pieces since you have to deal with the pins as well (which he explains). It's reading stuff like this which makes me glad I got the Takara version. And I am super glad to know that their UW 04 is exactly what they wished their Devastator to be from their original planning.


It baffles and bothers me slightly that anybody bought the stability issue. Of course it's parts count and plastic use.
There was an interview with a Takara designer some time past (don't remember who, sadly), and he stated how the figures have to be WEIGHED! If they don't fit within a pre-determined weight then plastic has to be removed.


Jetfire must have been a lardass. >:oP
Re: Interview with Hasui Shogo regarding Takara Transformers Unite Warriors UW 04 Devastator (1714618)
Posted by Rated X on July 30th, 2015 @ 5:50pm CDT
Sabrblade wrote:
Rated X wrote:Gotta love the way they avoided asking any question regarding Mixmasters alt mode. If I wrote the questions, I would have put his ass on the spot...str8 up !
Hasui plainly said that one of the conditions set upon him by Hasbro was "that it would be 6 newer and different types of construction machines". Hasbro told him to make the vehicles that they wanted, so he did.

Im not seeing "6 newer and different types of construction machines". Im seeing 5 G1 style construction machines and one ugly duckling. I wouldnt call it new generations style because ive never seen a cement mixer like that in person in my life. And I dont live in some small country town. I live in miami where construction goes on all the time and I see cement mixers parked roadside daily when I drive to work. Ive seen the picture here somebody posted so I know somewhere it does exist. But it seems to be the norm for hasbro to make one combiner unit non-G1 just to troll G1 purists. It started with puke and period blood vortex in the foc combaticons, then alpha bravo and rook, and then toiletmaster. There was no reason for hasbro to use that wacky design. Its not relevant in the construction world and its not relevant to G1 like the other 5 vehicles are.
Re: Interview with Hasui Shogo regarding Takara Transformers Unite Warriors UW 04 Devastator (1714619)
Posted by Evil Eye on July 30th, 2015 @ 5:54pm CDT
Rated X wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
Rated X wrote:Gotta love the way they avoided asking any question regarding Mixmasters alt mode. If I wrote the questions, I would have put his ass on the spot...str8 up !
Hasui plainly said that one of the conditions set upon him by Hasbro was "that it would be 6 newer and different types of construction machines". Hasbro told him to make the vehicles that they wanted, so he did.

Im not seeing "6 newer and different types of construction machines". Im seeing 5 G1 style construction machines and one ugly duckling. I wouldnt call it new generations style because ive never seen a cement mixer like that in person in my life. And I dont live in some small country town. I live in miami where construction goes on all the time and I see cement mixers parked roadside daily when I drive to work. Ive seen the picture here somebody posted so I know somewhere it does exist. But it seems to be the norm for hasbro to make one combiner unit non-G1 just to troll G1 purists. It started with puke and period blood vortex in the foc combaticons, then alpha bravo and rook, and then toiletmaster. There was no reason for hasbro to use that wacky design. Its not relevant in the construction world and its not relevant to G1 like the other 5 vehicles are.

I highly doubt that Hasbro are making toys "not GEEWUN enuff" solely to annoy you. I think you overestimate your own importance.

If they are doing it to annoy you though I hope they carry on, 'cause this sh!t is hilarious.
Re: Interview with Hasui Shogo regarding Takara Transformers Unite Warriors UW 04 Devastator (1714625)
Posted by megatronus on July 30th, 2015 @ 6:15pm CDT
Rated X wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
Rated X wrote:Gotta love the way they avoided asking any question regarding Mixmasters alt mode. If I wrote the questions, I would have put his ass on the spot...str8 up !
Hasui plainly said that one of the conditions set upon him by Hasbro was "that it would be 6 newer and different types of construction machines". Hasbro told him to make the vehicles that they wanted, so he did.

Im not seeing "6 newer and different types of construction machines". Im seeing 5 G1 style construction machines and one ugly duckling. I wouldnt call it new generations style because ive never seen a cement mixer like that in person in my life. And I dont live in some small country town. I live in miami where construction goes on all the time and I see cement mixers parked roadside daily when I drive to work. Ive seen the picture here somebody posted so I know somewhere it does exist. But it seems to be the norm for hasbro to make one combiner unit non-G1 just to troll G1 purists. It started with puke and period blood vortex in the foc combaticons, then alpha bravo and rook, and then toiletmaster. There was no reason for hasbro to use that wacky design. Its not relevant in the construction world and its not relevant to G1 like the other 5 vehicles are.

I see that style of cement truck every single week. And I live in NYC.
Re: Interview with Hasui Shogo regarding Takara Transformers Unite Warriors UW 04 Devastator (1714626)
Posted by Sabrblade on July 30th, 2015 @ 6:18pm CDT
Rated X wrote:Im not seeing "6 newer and different types of construction machines". Im seeing 5 G1 style construction machines and one ugly duckling.
All six of them are modern. It's just that the other five are based on vehicle types whose designs haven't changed as much in appearance as the look of that type of cement mixer has.

Though, Mixmaster is done as that kind of cement mixer not simply to be modernized, but also because that type of design is what the great big mining cement mixers look like, and all six of the Constructicons in this set are rendered as the giant mining versions of their respective altmode vehicles. The rear-mounted cement mixer design nowadays is used on the smaller-scale ones, while the bigger-scale mining ones use the front-mounted mixers. It's because they're all giant mining construction vehicles now that Mixmaster got his new look.

Rated X wrote:I wouldnt call it new generations style because ive never seen a cement mixer like that in person in my life. And I dont live in some small country town. I live in miami where construction goes on all the time and I see cement mixers parked roadside daily when I drive to work. Ive seen the picture here somebody posted so I know somewhere it does exist.
Right, you live in a city, where the only cement mixers to be found would be the smaller-scaled ones used for urban and suburban jobs. This new Mixmaster toy, however, is not one of those. This one is one of the bigger-scaled giant-sized cement mixers that would be found in mining quarries and deserts away from the city, performing tasks on a much grander level of operation (like working on enormous development sites and complexes), whereas the smaller-scale ones that you commonly see are not-nearly-as-giant-sized mixers that perform tasks on much lower level of operation by comparison.

Rated X wrote:Its not relevant in the construction world and its not relevant to G1 like the other 5 vehicles are.
As I said, all six of them have been updated from modestly-sized city construction vehicles to the gigantic-sized mining construction vehicles. The cement mixer (particularly the kind used for mining) is the only one of the six whose real world appearance has changed so drastically over the years, while the designs of the other five have remained more or less consistent in their appearances to this day.

But put the five other Constructicons next to their G1 toy counterparts (which the G1 cartoon animation models were very faithful to appearance-wise) and you'll see the big differences between the construction vehicle types of then and now:

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To cap it off, look at all the teeny tiny ladder steps on all five of the Titan class ones. That shows how gigantic the mining vehicles are compared to the city-based ones. You could never get one of these things into a downtown area without plowing through buildings to make way for these things. They are simply too big. You will likely never see these things show up in your area of residence because of how ginormous they are.
Re: Interview with Hasui Shogo regarding Takara Transformers Unite Warriors UW 04 Devastator (1714627)
Posted by Hellscream9999 on July 30th, 2015 @ 6:22pm CDT
Rated X wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
Rated X wrote:Gotta love the way they avoided asking any question regarding Mixmasters alt mode. If I wrote the questions, I would have put his ass on the spot...str8 up !
Hasui plainly said that one of the conditions set upon him by Hasbro was "that it would be 6 newer and different types of construction machines". Hasbro told him to make the vehicles that they wanted, so he did.

Im not seeing "6 newer and different types of construction machines". Im seeing 5 G1 style construction machines and one ugly duckling. I wouldnt call it new generations style because ive never seen a cement mixer like that in person in my life. And I dont live in some small country town. I live in miami where construction goes on all the time and I see cement mixers parked roadside daily when I drive to work. Ive seen the picture here somebody posted so I know somewhere it does exist. But it seems to be the norm for hasbro to make one combiner unit non-G1 just to troll G1 purists. It started with puke and period blood vortex in the foc combaticons, then alpha bravo and rook, and then toiletmaster. There was no reason for hasbro to use that wacky design. Its not relevant in the construction world and its not relevant to G1 like the other 5 vehicles are.


I live near a cement factory (the dust is :SICK: ) but that style is ALL that they use, so I didn't even know that they made them other ways, so I suppose it could be regional. It's still a moot point, because I don't think cement trucks are made like G1 mix' anymore, just the over-the-top style and the style like rotf mix'.

*As an aside, living in the city, you would be equally likely to see the cement pump truck - which would have been an epic update:

http://photos.imageevent.com/jctair/concretepumpmackmr688s/websize/Mack%20Cement%20Pump%20Truck%20001.JPG

http://www.windhamcoop.com/images-construction/full-image/CementTruck-04-06-2007.jpg

http://www.rigsofrods.com/images/imported/2011/03/TruckMountedConcreteBoomPumpwithCE-1.jpg
Re: Interview with Hasui Shogo regarding Takara Transformers Unite Warriors UW 04 Devastator (1714640)
Posted by Agamemnon on July 30th, 2015 @ 7:20pm CDT
There's a practical reason for turning the drum around. Truck drivers can now see where they need to put the cement chute so they don't back over my d@#% landscaping! Image
Re: Interview with Hasui Shogo regarding Takara Transformers Unite Warriors UW 04 Devastator (1714644)
Posted by william-james88 on July 30th, 2015 @ 7:49pm CDT
Also, I would like to add that in this interview, Hasui did say that he used the idea of making them new but designed them and Devastator as a whole to still evoke G1. And he accomplishes that by making the back of Mixmaster look like the front of the old cement mixers they based the G1 design off. And the Takara version takes that design and runs with it, unlike the Hasbro version.

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Re: Interview with Hasui Shogo regarding Takara Transformers Unite Warriors UW 04 Devastator (1714700)
Posted by Rated X on July 30th, 2015 @ 11:06pm CDT
Sabrblade wrote:Though, Mixmaster is done as that kind of cement mixer not simply to be modernized, but also because that type of design is what the great big mining cement mixers look like,


Here's my thing....

Why would a cement mixer be needed in a "mining" operation ?

Believe it or not, we actually have a rock quarry near the Everglades portion of South Miami. I once visited it to see an explosives demonstration presented by former military bomb squad members. I got to see several huge mining vehicles including a dump truck as big as Long Haul from ROTF. (They are freaking huge) However there were no cement mixers present because nothing was being built. They were mining. ;)

As the pictures Hellscream9999 shows, there no debate that these "neo" cement mixers are big and do fit better with the scale they are shooting for. (which is controversial to begin with) However, I know Im not the only TF fan that didnt know these type of cement mixers existed before this figure was revealed. And in my opinion, they are ugly.
Re: Interview with Hasui Shogo regarding Takara Transformers Unite Warriors UW 04 Devastator (1714704)
Posted by fenrir72 on July 31st, 2015 @ 12:06am CDT
Rated X wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:Though, Mixmaster is done as that kind of cement mixer not simply to be modernized, but also because that type of design is what the great big mining cement mixers look like,


Here's my thing....

Why would a cement mixer be needed in a "mining" operation ?

Believe it or not, we actually have a rock quarry near the Everglades portion of South Miami. I once visited it to see an explosives demonstration presented by former military bomb squad members. I got to see several huge mining vehicles including a dump truck as big as Long Haul from ROTF. (They are freaking huge) However there were no cement mixers present because nothing was being built. They were mining. ;)

As the pictures Hellscream9999 shows, there no debate that these "neo" cement mixers are big and do fit better with the scale they are shooting for. (which is controversial to begin with) However, I know Im not the only TF fan that didnt know these type of cement mixers existed before this figure was revealed. And in my opinion, they are ugly.


Wasn't that also part of the Constructicons' function? Aside from building fortifications, they also scrounged for other energy sources. If in the pilot episode #2, the Ruby Crystals of Burma were in a mine so after that episodes, the Constructicons also mined for energy resources.

Using Mixmaster are a mobile chemistry set, the raw materials are processed in his drum. Read the expanded bio Bob Budiansky made in the Marvel Universe Transformers bio compilation.

Just my take from a show that required suspension of belief.
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Posted by Hellscream9999 on July 31st, 2015 @ 12:10am CDT
Rated X wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:Though, Mixmaster is done as that kind of cement mixer not simply to be modernized, but also because that type of design is what the great big mining cement mixers look like,


Here's my thing....

Why would a cement mixer be needed in a "mining" operation ?

Believe it or not, we actually have a rock quarry near the Everglades portion of South Miami. I once visited it to see an explosives demonstration presented by former military bomb squad members. I got to see several huge mining vehicles including a dump truck as big as Long Haul from ROTF. (They are freaking huge) However there were no cement mixers present because nothing was being built. They were mining. ;)

As the pictures Hellscream9999 shows, there no debate that these "neo" cement mixers are big and do fit better with the scale they are shooting for. (which is controversial to begin with) However, I know Im not the only TF fan that didnt know these type of cement mixers existed before this figure was revealed. And in my opinion, they are ugly.


It's okay to be ignorant of things like this, so long as it's not held against others; I grew up around them, and have seen many on the road in my life, I find it inconceivable (I literally cannot imagine never seeing one - ever) that people can have never seen one like this - it's quite interesting, really. I think TT does a fair job of evoking the cab portion as a foot, while modernizing the mixer.

The one shown in my post is a smaller variant, they can get quite massive; the articulated pump truck (still awesome :michaelbay: ) receives cement from this specific style of mixer into a hopper on the back of it and pumps it along the arm via a hose to reach the tops of tall buildings and such.

As for needing cement in a 'mining' situation (and any others that may fall under this umbrella term), I can think of a few reasons off the top of my head as to why, but it's irrelevant. Plus utility vehicles are rarely designed to 'look' nice - they are all function and efficiency.
Re: Interview with Hasui Shogo regarding Takara Transformers Unite Warriors UW 04 Devastator (1714710)
Posted by jay5 on July 31st, 2015 @ 12:55am CDT
Looking forward to less dead-horse beating about Devastator (even though I agree mostly with Rated X), and more UW-05 and UW-06 talk/speculation/test shots/etc.
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Posted by fenrir72 on July 31st, 2015 @ 1:26am CDT
jay5 wrote:Looking forward to less dead-horse beating about Devastator (even though I agree mostly with Rated X), and more UW-05 and UW-06 talk/speculation/test shots/etc.



This! The horse by now is already glue and petfood........really now, people should learn to do an "Elsa"

https://youtu.be/L0MK7qz13bU
Re: Interview with Hasui Shogo regarding Takara Transformers Unite Warriors UW 04 Devastator (1714724)
Posted by Burn on July 31st, 2015 @ 3:11am CDT
I can't believe the Mixmaster "debate" has come up again. >:oP
Re: Interview with Hasui Shogo regarding Takara Transformers Unite Warriors UW 04 Devastator (1714729)
Posted by Wolfman Jake on July 31st, 2015 @ 4:05am CDT
fenrir72 wrote:Just my take from a show that required suspension of belief.


I think you mean "suspension of disbelief." You need to suspend or putt aside your disbelief in the fantastic to make sense of fictional worlds like that of the Transformers. If you suspended your belief, you would find everything completely unbelievable. Sorry, this is just a pet peeve of mine. ;)
Re: Interview with Hasui Shogo regarding Takara Transformers Unite Warriors UW 04 Devastator (1714734)
Posted by Burn on July 31st, 2015 @ 5:40am CDT
Wolfman Jake wrote:
fenrir72 wrote:Just my take from a show that required suspension of belief.


I think you mean "suspension of disbelief." You need to suspend or putt


I think you mean "put".

*BOOM* Corrected the corrector! Image
Re: Interview with Hasui Shogo regarding Takara Transformers Unite Warriors UW 04 Devastator (1714744)
Posted by Rated X on July 31st, 2015 @ 7:26am CDT
Hellscream9999 wrote:
Rated X wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:Though, Mixmaster is done as that kind of cement mixer not simply to be modernized, but also because that type of design is what the great big mining cement mixers look like,


Here's my thing....

Why would a cement mixer be needed in a "mining" operation ?

Believe it or not, we actually have a rock quarry near the Everglades portion of South Miami. I once visited it to see an explosives demonstration presented by former military bomb squad members. I got to see several huge mining vehicles including a dump truck as big as Long Haul from ROTF. (They are freaking huge) However there were no cement mixers present because nothing was being built. They were mining. ;)

As the pictures Hellscream9999 shows, there no debate that these "neo" cement mixers are big and do fit better with the scale they are shooting for. (which is controversial to begin with) However, I know Im not the only TF fan that didnt know these type of cement mixers existed before this figure was revealed. And in my opinion, they are ugly.


It's okay to be ignorant of things like this, so long as it's not held against others; I grew up around them, and have seen many on the road in my life, I find it inconceivable (I literally cannot imagine never seeing one - ever) that people can have never seen one like this - it's quite interesting, really. I think TT does a fair job of evoking the cab portion as a foot, while modernizing the mixer.

The one shown in my post is a smaller variant, they can get quite massive; the articulated pump truck (still awesome :michaelbay: ) receives cement from this specific style of mixer into a hopper on the back of it and pumps it along the arm via a hose to reach the tops of tall buildings and such.

As for needing cement in a 'mining' situation (and any others that may fall under this umbrella term), I can think of a few reasons off the top of my head as to why, but it's irrelevant. Plus utility vehicles are rarely designed to 'look' nice - they are all function and efficiency.

Irrelevant? Why ? Do I need an executive order from the president to find out what the hell a cement mixer would be doing at a mining operation ? Enlighten me...

And I havent ever seen one of those. It is what it is. I could ask you if youve ever seen the Oscar Mayer Weiner mobile and start calling you "ignorant" when you say no. But the bottom line is it exists just like that cement mixer.
Re: Interview with Hasui Shogo regarding Takara Transformers Unite Warriors UW 04 Devastator (1714745)
Posted by Rated X on July 31st, 2015 @ 7:35am CDT
Burn wrote:I can't believe the Mixmaster "debate" has come up again. >:oP

Because debating mixmaster is more fun than a box of jello pudding pops. ;)

Any figure that is hated enough to inspire Dr. Wu to churn out a full blown replacement deserves healthy debate.
Re: Interview with Hasui Shogo regarding Takara Transformers Unite Warriors UW 04 Devastator (1714747)
Posted by no-one on July 31st, 2015 @ 8:02am CDT
I've seen an Oscar Mayer Weiner, but have you ever seen one transform?

Re: Interview with Hasui Shogo regarding Takara Transformers Unite Warriors UW 04 Devastator (1714754)
Posted by Rated X on July 31st, 2015 @ 8:32am CDT
carytheone wrote:I've seen an Oscar Mayer Weiner, but have you ever seen one transform?


That was classic!

I wouldn't mind seeing takara taking a stab at the worlds sillest combiner for that so called "Asian market" they claim exists. The weiner mobile could be the torso and they can use a variety of disney characters, hello kitty, and bearbricks to create a scramble city combiner for the Asian market. ;)
Re: Interview with Hasui Shogo regarding Takara Transformers Unite Warriors UW 04 Devastator (1714775)
Posted by fenrir72 on July 31st, 2015 @ 9:36am CDT
Since we all seem to be stuck on a moebius strip........
Re: Interview with Hasui Shogo regarding Takara Transformers Unite Warriors UW 04 Devastator (1714815)
Posted by Evil Eye on July 31st, 2015 @ 11:46am CDT
Ye gods it's like Sonic's blue arms all over again.

Good thing X wasn't at the interview or he might have pepper sprayed Shogo Hasui.
Re: Interview with Hasui Shogo regarding Takara Transformers Unite Warriors UW 04 Devastator (1714828)
Posted by Hellscream9999 on July 31st, 2015 @ 12:45pm CDT
Rated X wrote:
Hellscream9999 wrote:
Rated X wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:Though, Mixmaster is done as that kind of cement mixer not simply to be modernized, but also because that type of design is what the great big mining cement mixers look like,


Here's my thing....

Why would a cement mixer be needed in a "mining" operation ?

Believe it or not, we actually have a rock quarry near the Everglades portion of South Miami. I once visited it to see an explosives demonstration presented by former military bomb squad members. I got to see several huge mining vehicles including a dump truck as big as Long Haul from ROTF. (They are freaking huge) However there were no cement mixers present because nothing was being built. They were mining. ;)

As the pictures Hellscream9999 shows, there no debate that these "neo" cement mixers are big and do fit better with the scale they are shooting for. (which is controversial to begin with) However, I know Im not the only TF fan that didnt know these type of cement mixers existed before this figure was revealed. And in my opinion, they are ugly.


It's okay to be ignorant of things like this, so long as it's not held against others; I grew up around them, and have seen many on the road in my life, I find it inconceivable (I literally cannot imagine never seeing one - ever) that people can have never seen one like this - it's quite interesting, really. I think TT does a fair job of evoking the cab portion as a foot, while modernizing the mixer.

The one shown in my post is a smaller variant, they can get quite massive; the articulated pump truck (still awesome :michaelbay: ) receives cement from this specific style of mixer into a hopper on the back of it and pumps it along the arm via a hose to reach the tops of tall buildings and such.

As for needing cement in a 'mining' situation (and any others that may fall under this umbrella term), I can think of a few reasons off the top of my head as to why, but it's irrelevant. Plus utility vehicles are rarely designed to 'look' nice - they are all function and efficiency.

Irrelevant? Why ? Do I need an executive order from the president to find out what the hell a cement mixer would be doing at a mining operation ? Enlighten me...

And I havent ever seen one of those. It is what it is. I could ask you if youve ever seen the Oscar Mayer Weiner mobile and start calling you "ignorant" when you say no. But the bottom line is it exists just like that cement mixer.


I have actually seen the Oscar Mayer Weiner mobile, I also have the hot wheels toy, and a piggy bank of it >:oP And I quite clearly wasn't being insulting towards you when I said you were ignorant of the new style cement mixer, as that is the definition of the word :roll:

As for the mine, I'm no engineer, but I suppose they would use cement for support columns, or ramps, or to fill in damage/wear and tear, or to make a solid base for the on site manager building; I dunno, it literally doesn't matter, I've seen them at operations like that in person, I don't care either way, it looks great as a leg.
Re: Interview with Hasui Shogo regarding Takara Transformers Unite Warriors UW 04 Devastator (1714845)
Posted by Wolfman Jake on July 31st, 2015 @ 2:04pm CDT
Burn wrote:
Wolfman Jake wrote:
fenrir72 wrote:Just my take from a show that required suspension of belief.


I think you mean "suspension of disbelief." You need to suspend or putt


I think you mean "put".

*BOOM* Corrected the corrector! Image


DAMNIT! #-o
Re: Interview with Hasui Shogo regarding Takara Transformers Unite Warriors UW 04 Devastator (1714854)
Posted by william-james88 on July 31st, 2015 @ 2:44pm CDT
I dont think the cement mixer being one way or another makes a difference, this toy is not the G1 toy. Only the G1 toy is the G1 toy. It just so happens that mixmaster is the most apparent change to this initiative to modernize Devastator and takara is softening the blow as much as possible by keeping the combined mode as faithful as G1 as possible, with what they are given (I think it's pretty smart actually, the best of both worlds).

The hasbro version's hands arent even purple for crying out loud, it's clear their goal isn't to give pure untouched G1.
Re: Interview with Hasui Shogo regarding Takara Transformers Unite Warriors UW 04 Devastator (1715111)
Posted by padfoo on August 1st, 2015 @ 7:26pm CDT
Sabrblade wrote:
Rated X wrote:Im not seeing "6 newer and different types of construction machines". Im seeing 5 G1 style construction machines and one ugly duckling.
All six of them are modern. It's just that the other five are based on vehicle types whose designs haven't changed as much in appearance as the look of that type of cement mixer has.

Though, Mixmaster is done as that kind of cement mixer not simply to be modernized, but also because that type of design is what the great big mining cement mixers look like, and all six of the Constructicons in this set are rendered as the giant mining versions of their respective altmode vehicles. The rear-mounted cement mixer design nowadays is used on the smaller-scale ones, while the bigger-scale mining ones use the front-mounted mixers. It's because they're all giant mining construction vehicles now that Mixmaster got his new look.

Rated X wrote:I wouldnt call it new generations style because ive never seen a cement mixer like that in person in my life. And I dont live in some small country town. I live in miami where construction goes on all the time and I see cement mixers parked roadside daily when I drive to work. Ive seen the picture here somebody posted so I know somewhere it does exist.
Right, you live in a city, where the only cement mixers to be found would be the smaller-scaled ones used for urban and suburban jobs. This new Mixmaster toy, however, is not one of those. This one is one of the bigger-scaled giant-sized cement mixers that would be found in mining quarries and deserts away from the city, performing tasks on a much grander level of operation (like working on enormous development sites and complexes), whereas the smaller-scale ones that you commonly see are not-nearly-as-giant-sized mixers that perform tasks on much lower level of operation by comparison.

Rated X wrote:Its not relevant in the construction world and its not relevant to G1 like the other 5 vehicles are.
As I said, all six of them have been updated from modestly-sized city construction vehicles to the gigantic-sized mining construction vehicles. The cement mixer (particularly the kind used for mining) is the only one of the six whose real world appearance has changed so drastically over the years, while the designs of the other five have remained more or less consistent in their appearances to this day.

But put the five other Constructicons next to their G1 toy counterparts (which the G1 cartoon animation models were very faithful to appearance-wise) and you'll see the big differences between the construction vehicle types of then and now:

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To cap it off, look at all the teeny tiny ladder steps on all five of the Titan class ones. That shows how gigantic the mining vehicles are compared to the city-based ones. You could never get one of these things into a downtown area without plowing through buildings to make way for these things. They are simply too big. You will likely never see these things show up in your area of residence because of how ginormous they are.


So true, the vehicle modes modeled by the this batch of constructions are gigantic, you can see all the tiny ladders for people to climb on rendered in the designs. These are not vehicles
You would see every day.
Re: Interview with Hasui Shogo regarding Takara Transformers Unite Warriors UW 04 Devastator (1715133)
Posted by padfoo on August 1st, 2015 @ 8:38pm CDT
I wish I was'nt so quick to order the Hasbro Devy.I love the extra details on the Takara versions. As confirmed in this interview this is as close as we will get to a masterpiece Devastator. This Devastator scales perfectly with masterpiece figures. I haven't even open the package yet so I probably buy a 3rd party upgrade kit....

It was confirmed in a YouTube review that this is also the 30th anniversary of Devy as the first combiner so this release is even more fitting.
Re: Interview with Hasui Shogo regarding Takara Transformers Unite Warriors UW 04 Devastator (1715165)
Posted by Stuartmaximus on August 2nd, 2015 @ 1:10am CDT
Why the hell is the Takara version of Dev not out til after Christmas? Isn't there photos of this guy already?
Re: Interview with Hasui Shogo regarding Takara Transformers Unite Warriors UW 04 Devastator (1715169)
Posted by King Kuuga on August 2nd, 2015 @ 1:47am CDT
Stuartmaximus wrote:Why the hell is the Takara version of Dev not out til after Christmas? Isn't there photos of this guy already?

Mass production takes time, Takara is spacing out their releases to suit the needs of their market, and probably other business reasons.
Re: Interview with Hasui Shogo regarding Takara Transformers Unite Warriors UW 04 Devastator (1715177)
Posted by Cyberpath on August 2nd, 2015 @ 4:28am CDT
The more I see of Devastator the more I want it.

To me, the other vehicles look essentially like their classic counterparts with more added details. So if I had a say I too would prefer the classic Mixmaster truck style. But never mind that, I think the bigger issue is the wasp stinger on his backside in robot mode. ;)

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Just for fun -- one of the 3P companies is working on a brand new CW Mixmaster (also with "scale" ladders, but for whatever reason, not a cartoon-accurate head like the official.)

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I'm okay with the official, but at least there are two other options for fans that are really bothered by it.
Re: Interview with Hasui Shogo regarding Takara Transformers Unite Warriors UW 04 Devastator (1715183)
Posted by fenrir72 on August 2nd, 2015 @ 4:55am CDT
Stuartmaximus wrote:Why the hell is the Takara version of Dev not out til after Christmas? Isn't there photos of this guy already?


Two months intervals to let our wallets heal kimosabe.
Re: Interview with Hasui Shogo regarding Takara Transformers Unite Warriors UW 04 Devastator (1715200)
Posted by william-james88 on August 2nd, 2015 @ 7:22am CDT
Stuartmaximus wrote:Why the hell is the Takara version of Dev not out til after Christmas? Isn't there photos of this guy already?


We got photos of Bruticus and Skyreign already and they wont be out at retail before after christmas (maybe more for Skyreign).
Re: Interview with Hasui Shogo regarding Takara Transformers Unite Warriors UW 04 Devastator (1715405)
Posted by Wolfman Jake on August 3rd, 2015 @ 12:33am CDT
Is Unite Warriors Defensor still slated for a December release as well? I was hoping it might get pushed up to October, so it wouldn't have to share a release month with Devastator. With Superion being released in June, and Menasor due later this month, that leaves a long gap in between Unite Warriors releases. Kind of an odd move.
Re: Interview with Hasui Shogo regarding Takara Transformers Unite Warriors UW 04 Devastator (1715409)
Posted by fenrir72 on August 3rd, 2015 @ 1:03am CDT
Wolfman Jake wrote:Is Unite Warriors Defensor still slated for a December release as well? I was hoping it might get pushed up to October, so it wouldn't have to share a release month with Devastator. With Superion being released in June, and Menasor due later this month, that leaves a long gap in between Unite Warriors releases. Kind of an odd move.


ETA October 2015. Then 2 months later on December Devstar.
Re: Interview with Hasui Shogo regarding Takara Transformers Unite Warriors UW 04 Devastator (1715450)
Posted by noctorro on August 3rd, 2015 @ 6:58am CDT
I don't get it.

This guy designed Takara Devastator.
But the Hasbro Devastator is already out.
So did he design the Hasbro version first and then
Takara asked him to redo some things like elbows & weapons.

Or did Hasbro design Devastator and Takara just added the elbows/guns?

Anyway, I should be getting my Hasbro Devastator this week.
And he will probably be replaced by Takara Devastator half a year later. I just need this guy in my life as soon as possible.

I agree, Takara one looks better.
Re: Interview with Hasui Shogo regarding Takara Transformers Unite Warriors UW 04 Devastator (1715467)
Posted by Sabrblade on August 3rd, 2015 @ 8:47am CDT
noctorro wrote:I don't get it.

This guy designed Takara Devastator.
But the Hasbro Devastator is already out.
So did he design the Hasbro version first and then
Takara asked him to redo some things like elbows & weapons.

Or did Hasbro design Devastator and Takara just added the elbows/guns?
Hasui designed Hasbrostator, then Yuki took Hasui's Hasbrostator and modified/enhanced it into Takarastator.

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