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Transformers News: Million Publishing LTD Generations Book Exclusive Artfire REVEALED!

Friday, April 13th, 2012 10:32AM CDT

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Million Publishing has just posted several pictures of the highly aniticipated Transformers Targetmaster Artfire and Sparks! This is the retooled Transformers Generations Inferno and Reveal the Shield Solar Storm Grapple hybrid with a partnered Targetmaster Spark. Check out the pics below and get your preorder in at BigBadToyStore.com by clicking here!

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Re: Million Publishing LTD Generations Book Exclusive Artfire REVEALED! (1368674)
Posted by Dead Metal on April 13th, 2012 @ 10:34am CDT
He comes with two targetmasters?

Holy sh+t this guy is and looks amazing. Best official TF figure this year!
Re: Million Publishing LTD Generations Book Exclusive Artfire REVEALED! (1368676)
Posted by GetRightRobot on April 13th, 2012 @ 10:43am CDT
Dead Metal wrote:He comes with two targetmasters?

Holy sh+t this guy is and looks amazing. Best official TF figure this year!


I believe he is just sporting Stepper's Nightstick for the photos. I don't think he comes with two... I hope I'm wrong. Does look outstanding.
Re: Million Publishing LTD Generations Book Exclusive Artfire REVEALED! (1368677)
Posted by Tigertrack on April 13th, 2012 @ 10:46am CDT
Looks great! I likes the paint decos and the choice of PCC micron that goes with him. And in opposite colors from the Firebolt for Rodimus.

I'll take it.
Re: Million Publishing LTD Generations Book Exclusive Artfire REVEALED! (1368683)
Posted by JelZe GoldRabbit on April 13th, 2012 @ 10:55am CDT
GetRightRobot wrote:
Dead Metal wrote:He comes with two targetmasters?

Holy sh+t this guy is and looks amazing. Best official TF figure this year!


I believe he is just sporting Stepper's Nightstick for the photos. I don't think he comes with two... I hope I'm wrong. Does look outstanding.


You're wrong :P Like the Microns Spoilsport and Recoil before, Nightstick has his colors inverted from Nebulon:

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Speaking of inverting colors, same thing with Sparks and Firebolt.

And it looks the mold is all Inferno except for the crane. I'll have to check if the crane has been retooled.
Re: Million Publishing LTD Generations Book Exclusive Artfire REVEALED! (1368684)
Posted by Tigertrack on April 13th, 2012 @ 10:55am CDT
And thankfully, the fists are closed.

We also might have to get both TMs to achieve the spraying extension look that is used in one of the pictures.
Re: Million Publishing LTD Generations Book Exclusive Artfire REVEALED! (1368685)
Posted by gothsaurus on April 13th, 2012 @ 10:55am CDT
Yeah, wow. It looks really good... and two targetmasters is a fantastic bonus. I agree that it's the best official toy this year, I think. Very excited!
Re: Million Publishing LTD Generations Book Exclusive Artfire REVEALED! (1368688)
Posted by Mkall on April 13th, 2012 @ 10:59am CDT
Well this is win. I can't wait to own him.

2 targetmasters? Awesome.
Re: Million Publishing LTD Generations Book Exclusive Artfire REVEALED! (1368689)
Posted by GetRightRobot on April 13th, 2012 @ 11:00am CDT
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
GetRightRobot wrote:
Dead Metal wrote:He comes with two targetmasters?

Holy sh+t this guy is and looks amazing. Best official TF figure this year!


I believe he is just sporting Stepper's Nightstick for the photos. I don't think he comes with two... I hope I'm wrong. Does look outstanding.


You're wrong :P Like the Microns Spoilsport and Recoil before, Nightstick has his colors inverted from Nebulon:

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Speaking of inverting colors, same thing with Sparks and Firebolt.

And it looks the mold is all Inferno except for the crane. I'll have to check if the crane has been retooled.



By the power of greyskull... Oh snap! :DANCE: and my preorder price is still $139.00 :DANCE:
Re: Million Publishing LTD Generations Book Exclusive Artfire REVEALED! (1368691)
Posted by zodconvoy on April 13th, 2012 @ 11:00am CDT
I know less about Artfire than I do about Stepper but man do I want him!
Re: Million Publishing LTD Generations Book Exclusive Artfire REVEALED! (1368694)
Posted by LOST Cybertronian on April 13th, 2012 @ 11:04am CDT
One please and thank you
Re: Million Publishing LTD Generations Book Exclusive Artfire REVEALED! (1368699)
Posted by Prime Evil on April 13th, 2012 @ 11:13am CDT
Fantastic! And TWO targetmaster? Just awesome. Hell, I might even give him "Blesser" to use as well.
Re: Million Publishing LTD Generations Book Exclusive Artfire REVEALED! (1368703)
Posted by JelZe GoldRabbit on April 13th, 2012 @ 11:15am CDT
zodconvoy wrote:I know less about Artfire than I do about Stepper but man do I want him!


Trust me, there is not much to know about him, period as he only appeared in the Headmasters manga. :lol:

And it looks like the crane hasn't been retooled at all. I managed to combine my PCC Pinpoint with my RtS Nightstick and have them hang on Grappel's crane loosely.
Re: Million Publishing LTD Generations Book Exclusive Artfire REVEALED! (1368706)
Posted by freetouch on April 13th, 2012 @ 11:26am CDT
"Check out the pics below and get your preorder in at BigBadToyStore.com by clicking here!".. for $150. Eat. a. big. one.
Re: Million Publishing LTD Generations Book Exclusive Artfire REVEALED! (1368712)
Posted by zodconvoy on April 13th, 2012 @ 11:35am CDT
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
zodconvoy wrote:I know less about Artfire than I do about Stepper but man do I want him!


Trust me, there is not much to know about him, period as he only appeared in the Headmasters manga. :lol:


Ah, the manga. I know more than most about the Japanese series' and characters but those manga and magazine only characters are just a huge black hole! I think the only manga I ever read is Kiss Players and even that was just random pages with no real order. I deleted it from my hard drive afterwards! :lol:

freetouch wrote:"Check out the pics below and get your preorder in at BigBadToyStore.com by clicking here!".. for $150. Eat. a. big. one.

Considering as the have to buy the book order it to an address in Japan then shipping to themselves before they even charge us, that's not a bad price. Oh, and you can only order one per book so if they get a thousand in, they have a thousand used books in the warehouse that they also have to sell. $150 isn't that bad at all. >:oP

Hell, it's only $25 more than Stepper was!
Re: Million Publishing LTD Generations Book Exclusive Artfire REVEALED! (1368731)
Posted by UltraPrimal on April 13th, 2012 @ 12:00pm CDT
Sweet! Totally making me not regret pre-ordering this dude. Artfire himself looks awesome. And the fact that he comes with 2 Targetmasters is just double awesome!
Re: Million Publishing LTD Generations Book Exclusive Artfire REVEALED! (1368738)
Posted by Pretender Skywarp on April 13th, 2012 @ 12:16pm CDT
Epic want, he'll go great with Stepper!
Re: Million Publishing LTD Generations Book Exclusive Artfire REVEALED! (1368763)
Posted by ILL-Star on April 13th, 2012 @ 1:12pm CDT
I understand the significance of this character. But all this praise for what is for the most part an Inferno with a white chest. Yeah he's cool. But it's still a figure that's already had several releases. And I know, but not as Artfire. :roll:
Re: Million Publishing LTD Generations Book Exclusive Artfire REVEALED! (1368772)
Posted by Counterpunch on April 13th, 2012 @ 1:27pm CDT
freetouch wrote:"Check out the pics below and get your preorder in at BigBadToyStore.com by clicking here!".. for $150. Eat. a. big. one.


Don't be mad bro.

I'm going to buy this, so...I mean, there's no reason to be upset.

Sleep easy knowing Artfire will soon be part of Counterpunch's collection. :D

>:oP
Re: Million Publishing LTD Generations Book Exclusive Artfire REVEALED! (1368774)
Posted by CADimusPrimus on April 13th, 2012 @ 1:29pm CDT
Holy ***t, this is awesome. Sorry for the expletive. So full of win. Might get two and repaint as Hotspot if we don't get that mold.
Re: Million Publishing LTD Generations Book Exclusive Artfire REVEALED! (1368775)
Posted by Tigertrack on April 13th, 2012 @ 1:32pm CDT
CADimusPrimus wrote:Holy ***t, this is awesome. Sorry for the expletive. So full of win. Might get two and repaint as Hotspot if we don't get that mold.


That is an expensive custom when you consider C Inferno, and U- Grappel, or even United Grapple are approximately 1/3 to 1/4 that asking price.
Re: Million Publishing LTD Generations Book Exclusive Artfire REVEALED! (1368779)
Posted by WolfDawg on April 13th, 2012 @ 1:47pm CDT
Obviously I'm in the minority here, but I can't, for the life of me, see the hype over this guy. The character seems to be minor, the paint scheme looks crappy, and the price is comparable to Botcon Pyro (a much better use of the mold as an exclusive anyway).

Really, what's so special about Inferno with a few touches of white added to him?
Re: Million Publishing LTD Generations Book Exclusive Artfire REVEALED! (1368781)
Posted by CADimusPrimus on April 13th, 2012 @ 1:49pm CDT
True. Thinking of Hot Spot as either an Inferno or Grapple Repaint with a modded head. Artfire with his ladder is probably the closest to what Hot Spot should be like if we don't get access to the proposed Hot Spot
Re: Million Publishing LTD Generations Book Exclusive Artfire REVEALED! (1368782)
Posted by gothsaurus on April 13th, 2012 @ 1:49pm CDT
Yeah, pick up the Asia exclusive Hot Spot rather than trying to repaint this guy. Heh.
Re: Million Publishing LTD Generations Book Exclusive Artfire REVEALED! (1368784)
Posted by JelZe GoldRabbit on April 13th, 2012 @ 1:51pm CDT
WolfDawg wrote:Obviously I'm in the minority here, but I can't, for the life of me, see the hype over this guy. The character seems to be minor, the paint scheme looks crappy, and the price is comparable to Botcon Pyro (a much better use of the mold as an exclusive anyway).

Really, what's so special about Inferno with a few touches of white added to him?


- It's Japanese
- It's going to be rare and hard to find
- It's based on a rare hard to find Japanese toy (rarer than Stepper even before his reissue)
Re: Million Publishing LTD Generations Book Exclusive Artfire REVEALED! (1368785)
Posted by CADimusPrimus on April 13th, 2012 @ 1:53pm CDT
gothsaurus wrote:Yeah, pick up the Asia exclusive Hot Spot rather than trying to repaint this guy. Heh.



Just got to find a retailer who will have him. I prefer getting Hot Spot, but if all else fails, get another artfire if it is still in stock
Re: Million Publishing LTD Generations Book Exclusive Artfire REVEALED! (1368820)
Posted by PaxCybertron82 on April 13th, 2012 @ 4:18pm CDT
What exactly is covered in "Generations 2012" ? Like it is it anything similar to Hobby Japan, but covering Transformers figures?

Because if so, I'd like to get my hands on that as well.

But yes, Artfire is all sorts of Awesomeness. :BOT:
Re: Million Publishing LTD Generations Book Exclusive Artfire REVEALED! (1368826)
Posted by Blurrz on April 13th, 2012 @ 4:26pm CDT
I like how the blue accentuates his features. I find the joy over two Targetmasters as a huge baffle..Albeit it's a G1 homage, it's another Nightstick. Pinpoint isn't the greatest PCC micron either. Having two targetmasters leaves Artfire's powered up alternate mode as looking rather horrendous. Artfire's meant to be a sniper... if a Micron was made to enhance Nightstick then that would be cool, but Artfire ain't much of a sniper if he has a rifle and a double barreled pistol.

Although that Targetmaster picture is tres bon.

ViperEye82 wrote:What exactly is covered in "Generations 2012" ? Like it is it anything similar to Hobby Japan, but covering Transformers figures?

Because if so, I'd like to get my hands on that as well.

But yes, Artfire is all sorts of Awesomeness. :BOT:


Generations is an annual book full of goodies.
Re: Million Publishing LTD Generations Book Exclusive Artfire REVEALED! (1368830)
Posted by gothsaurus on April 13th, 2012 @ 4:36pm CDT
The Targetmasters can just hang out NEAR him, if riding on him look odd. Heh.

Yeah, I've been getting the Generations books. They're a nice hodgepodge of really rare vintage photos of prototypes and unreleased stuff, along with G1 Japan history, rare comics (from Masterpiece rarities) AND a big smattering of current stuff that's released in the current year.

Of course, wouldn't we all like that rare G1 stuff compiled in a big book instead of squeezed out a little bit at a time?? Yeah. Wishful thinking.

Still, I've enjoyed it enough... even without being a fan of the current line movie toys AT ALL. It's well put together, well photographed, and... oh yeah, sadly, entirely in Japanese. Suppose you'd like to know that, right?
Re: Million Publishing LTD Generations Book Exclusive Artfire REVEALED! (1368834)
Posted by bionic_radical on April 13th, 2012 @ 4:40pm CDT
Annnnnnd they're already sold out of an item that isn't even for sale yet? Or who's total production numbers have't been established??


I think thats kind of funny in a sad way.
Re: Million Publishing LTD Generations Book Exclusive Artfire REVEALED! (1368840)
Posted by DISCHARGE on April 13th, 2012 @ 4:52pm CDT
Blurrz wrote:I like how the blue accentuates his features. I find the joy over two Targetmasters as a huge baffle..Albeit it's a G1 homage, it's another Nightstick. Pinpoint isn't the greatest PCC micron either. Having two targetmasters leaves Artfire's powered up alternate mode as looking rather horrendous. Artfire's meant to be a sniper... if a Micron was made to enhance Nightstick then that would be cool, but Artfire ain't much of a sniper if he has a rifle and a double barreled pistol.

Although that Targetmaster picture is tres bon.


I thought the Backwind min-con would have been a better addition
when I first viewed this, it's got a good rifle mode. Backwind also has flood lights and a hook, all things that would compliment a rescue vehicle like a firetruck. I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought the mini-con pairing could have been better.

All-in-all he looks ok. Not really the best looking version of the Inferno mold, but if you're looking for an update to Artfire, here he is.

I get why he is so costly, but it's not a dire figure and doesn't really deserve the high price considering Grapple was available when he could be found for $10. I think milking the fandom is getting out of control.
I do think Million Publishing does a great job in picking characters to offer as exclusives, though I wish they would offer them outside of Japan so they could be more economical. They'd probably sell more books too(instead of people just ordering the toy through BBTS or other retailers)
Re: Million Publishing LTD Generations Book Exclusive Artfire REVEALED! (1368846)
Posted by Mkall on April 13th, 2012 @ 5:02pm CDT
bionic_radical wrote:Annnnnnd they're already sold out of an item that isn't even for sale yet? Or who's total production numbers have't been established??


I think thats kind of funny in a sad way.

Like the previous Million Publishing exclusives, the quantity of figures are made to match the number of orders.
Re: Million Publishing LTD Generations Book Exclusive Artfire REVEALED! (1368849)
Posted by bionic_radical on April 13th, 2012 @ 5:16pm CDT
Yeah I think thats a great way to release an exclusive, but I was speaking about how BBTS is already sold out, when Millions hasn't even tallied up a final number of total exclusives. Im expecting BBTS to take on a second wave, with a second wave price tag.

Thank God for Robot Kingdom.
Re: Million Publishing LTD Generations Book Exclusive Artfire REVEALED! (1368850)
Posted by Prime Evil on April 13th, 2012 @ 5:17pm CDT
Mkall wrote:
bionic_radical wrote:Annnnnnd they're already sold out of an item that isn't even for sale yet? Or who's total production numbers have't been established??


I think thats kind of funny in a sad way.

Like the previous Million Publishing exclusives, the quantity of figures are made to match the number of orders.


Yeah, I wouldn't panic yet. I'm sure pre-orders will be opened up again.
Re: Million Publishing LTD Generations Book Exclusive Artfire REVEALED! (1368864)
Posted by Relic Dinobot on April 13th, 2012 @ 5:50pm CDT
And that's another 150$ I'm loosing because of this horrible, horrible plastic toy addiction of mine. :lol:

Although I'm must say that I'm more than intrigued as to how Artfire got a second Targetmaster in Sparks...
Re: Million Publishing LTD Generations Book Exclusive Artfire REVEALED! (1368884)
Posted by Stormrider on April 13th, 2012 @ 6:37pm CDT
He's now sold out on BBTS. :shock: That pre-order lasted 4 days.
Re: Million Publishing LTD Generations Book Exclusive Artfire REVEALED! (1368907)
Posted by Gauntlet101010 on April 13th, 2012 @ 7:37pm CDT
Damn that went quickly!

It was too pricey considering I have no connection at all to Artfire or know anything about him other than "crazy expencive, exclucive G1 toy" ... but if the preorder lasted a little while longer, I might have caved anyway since I'm a sucker like that.
Re: Million Publishing LTD Generations Book Exclusive Artfire REVEALED! (1368924)
Posted by Doctor McGrath on April 13th, 2012 @ 8:37pm CDT
I'm happy I got in a preorder at BBTS before he sold out. Artfire looks great & I hope one day he'll receive his proper TargetMaster, hint hint Perfect Effect.
Re: Million Publishing LTD Generations Book Exclusive Artfire REVEALED! (1368976)
Posted by President-prime on April 13th, 2012 @ 11:58pm CDT
Don't understand what all the fusses are about. Granted the color looks exceptionally good with this character, but I owned solar flare (storm??) grapple and inferno and the actual toy is made poorly. The plastic seems cheap and the figure themselves are very loose. For a repaint of a mold that, in my opinnion, made with such poor quality to command $150 is beyond 'me'. Of course, you also get the book, but personally, I'd rather spend it on a new masterpiece figure. At least I know I won't be disappointed. Hell. I'll buy a masterpiece I'd already have over a $150 voyager class.
Re: Million Publishing LTD Generations Book Exclusive Artfire REVEALED! (1369002)
Posted by Mykltron on April 14th, 2012 @ 5:18am CDT
$150?

:shock:
Re: Million Publishing LTD Generations Book Exclusive Artfire REVEALED! (1369011)
Posted by LOST Cybertronian on April 14th, 2012 @ 6:29am CDT
President-prime wrote:Of course, you also get the book, but personally, I'd rather spend it on a new masterpiece figure.


Actually, the $150 is for the figure alone. Book sold seperately.
Re: Million Publishing LTD Generations Book Exclusive Artfire REVEALED! (1369016)
Posted by phase on April 14th, 2012 @ 7:11am CDT
zodconvoy wrote: Ah, the manga. I know more than most about the Japanese series' and characters but those manga and magazine only characters are just a huge black hole! I think the only manga I ever read is Kiss Players and even that was just random pages with no real order. I deleted it from my hard drive afterwards! :lol:


I'm not sure whether to applaud your bravery or shoot you and burn down everything you've touched. :evil:
Re: Million Publishing LTD Generations Book Exclusive Artfire REVEALED! (1369044)
Posted by Rijie on April 14th, 2012 @ 9:54am CDT
So stoked for this one. The mold itself still reigns supreme as a favorite Voyager. Add the TargetMaster dyad, obscure characterization, and overall obtuse badassery...SOLD.

Preordered before pics were even released. He'll act as a workplace desktop avatar until he's in hand.

Bravo Million Publishing!

(As discussed with fellow plastic lovers, a Stepper/Artfire TRU Exclusive set would reduce fan froth-mouth, Hasbro! Keep it in mind when rolling out the next incarnation of Classics/Universe/Generations/etc...free idea for the taking.)
Re: Million Publishing LTD Generations Book Exclusive Artfire REVEALED! (1369576)
Posted by President-prime on April 16th, 2012 @ 12:45am CDT
150 just for the toy and no book. Easy pass for 'me', thank you
Re: Million Publishing LTD Generations Book Exclusive Artfire REVEALED! (1369579)
Posted by RhA on April 16th, 2012 @ 12:56am CDT
Hasbro! Do Stepper and Artfire, you've got the touch! You've got the power! We've got the money!
Re: Million Publishing LTD Generations Book Exclusive Artfire REVEALED! (1369843)
Posted by Gauntlet101010 on April 16th, 2012 @ 6:01pm CDT
BBTS has mor eup for preorder .... nad I got one. Screw it, who am i kidding? I'm a sucker for well done exclucive TFs.

Time to bone up on just who Artfire is ...

I'll get Stepper too in all likelyhood. But with so many still up it seems like it can still wait, while the sell out on Artfire makes me want to put a preorder down now.

Amazing business move on the part of BBTS? If it was, I guess it worke don me. :lol:
Re: Million Publishing LTD Generations Book Exclusive Artfire REVEALED! (1371719)
Posted by Breakdown 2099 on April 22nd, 2012 @ 5:16am CDT
$150?

You're really only paying for the exclusivity of the item. Lets not pretend otherwise. Ask the casual fan who Artfire was and they'll stare at you blankly. What's the cost of repainting 3 existing molds? they could easily mass release the figure, but then the basic marketing concept of increasing the value of any item by creating the sense of urgency (limited numbers etc) would be diminished.

50/50 for me. I like the figure, nice colours, another repaint of Nightstick (joy) and some crappy micro-dude. Vehicle mode's :APPLAUSE: Weapons combined looks, well, for lack of a better term, s**t. :HEADHURTS: But i won't be paying $150. I could leave it in the box and eBay it 5 years later for $1000, who knows, I just might. :P
Re: Million Publishing LTD Generations Book Exclusive Artfire REVEALED! (1371845)
Posted by Counterpunch on April 22nd, 2012 @ 2:28pm CDT
breakdown99 wrote:$150?

You're really only paying for the exclusivity of the item. Lets not pretend otherwise.


Not in this instance.

Here you are paying $50 for a Japanese voyager sized figure, plus $15 or so for them to purchase the book, and then the rest of the cost is having someone in Japan order the figure. These must be delivered to a Japanese address. Then the figure is shipped to the US.

That's the cost of the figure.

Ask the casual fan who Artfire was and they'll stare at you blankly.


So what?

There's "casual" fans out there who still think that anything after the 86' movie is considered to be G2.

But i won't be paying $150. I could leave it in the box and eBay it 5 years later for $1000, who knows, I just might. :P


A 600% increase on a 5 year investment would make my bond purchases look outright stupid...
Re: Million Publishing LTD Generations Book Exclusive Artfire REVEALED! (1372346)
Posted by Breakdown 2099 on April 24th, 2012 @ 6:10am CDT
Counterpunch wrote:
breakdown99 wrote:$150?

You're really only paying for the exclusivity of the item. Lets not pretend otherwise.


Not in this instance.

It's an "exclusive" figure. You've obviously missed the whole point of what I meant. If that fails, read my post again.

Here you are paying $50 for a Japanese voyager sized figure, plus $15 or so for them to purchase the book, and then the rest of the cost is having someone in Japan order the figure. These must be delivered to a Japanese address. Then the figure is shipped to the US. That's the cost of the figure.
Not an ounce of chrome on this puppy like Henkei's. So the figure you really want to compare it to is this one:
http://www.robotkingdom.com/services/es ... =us&CatID=
$30 for figure + $15 for book. $105 to order a figure? That's not ripping people off, nooooo.... because it's really difficult for them to mass produce it. Oh, wait, then you've got to pay to have it shipped to your US address. You're on to a winner! :APPLAUSE:


Ask the casual fan who Artfire was and they'll stare at you blankly.


So what?
There's "casual" fans out there who still think that anything after the 86' movie is considered to be G2.
Forgive me, my mind was blown by Artfire's awesomeness, I completely forgot who he was. Apparently, he has this affect on a lot of people...


But i won't be paying $150. I could leave it in the box and eBay it 5 years later for $1000, who knows, I just might. :P


A 600% increase on a 5 year investment would make my bond purchases look outright stupid...

Henkei Wildrider, I'll sell it to you for $600 with free shipping! Not quite 600% but 200% isn't chump change either ;) can your Bonds do that?
Re: Million Publishing LTD Generations Book Exclusive Artfire REVEALED! (1372361)
Posted by gavinfuzzy on April 24th, 2012 @ 7:29am CDT
Inferno himself is real expensive now... Bah, i'll just have to wait for the Hotspot repaint late this year, and get a 2nd one to paint as inferno.
Re: Million Publishing LTD Generations Book Exclusive Artfire REVEALED! (1372611)
Posted by Blurrz on April 24th, 2012 @ 9:40pm CDT
breakdown99 wrote:Henkei Wildrider, I'll sell it to you for $600 with free shipping! Not quite 600% but 200% isn't chump change either ;) can your Bonds do that?


Still hit and miss.

Toys like Tokyo Toy Show Dreadwing/Smokescreen and Gentei Strafe were big flops and they were in the same category.

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