New In Package Images of Robots in Disguise Warriors Sideswipe and Jazz
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Posted by william-james88 on March 27th, 2015 @ 3:42pm CDT
Kyleor wrote:
Why does Mega One Step Optimus have better paint/colors than Warrior class :/
Well, he does cost more, so its good to have a bit more value in terms of paint.
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on March 27th, 2015 @ 3:43pm CDT
NuclearConvoy wrote:JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:NuclearConvoy wrote:Damn.
On the flipside, Drift and Fracture have or are getting regular Warriors Class toys too.
I'm always annoyed by a toy line giving me a character without his key gimmicks or making a roy of him where the gimmicks are so intrusive that they ruin the toy. It seems that this line has done both.
Is there any kind of interactive play value between the warrior and minicons ?
Not really, the Mini-Cons are standalone for the most part. They merely serve as ammo for the Deployers, that's it.
Posted by NuclearConvoy on March 27th, 2015 @ 3:43pm CDT
Posted by NuclearConvoy on March 27th, 2015 @ 3:46pm CDT
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:NuclearConvoy wrote:JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:NuclearConvoy wrote:Damn.
On the flipside, Drift and Fracture have or are getting regular Warriors Class toys too.
I'm always annoyed by a toy line giving me a character without his key gimmicks or making a roy of him where the gimmicks are so intrusive that they ruin the toy. It seems that this line has done both.
Is there any kind of interactive play value between the warrior and minicons ?
Not really, the Mini-Cons are standalone for the most part. They merely serve as ammo for the Deployers, that's it.
That blows. They look cool and if the deployed didn't look like a barely poseable, gimmick-laden mess I'd have gone for those. Drift as a warrior any good?
Posted by OptimalOptimus2 on March 27th, 2015 @ 3:48pm CDT
Posted by Kyleor on March 27th, 2015 @ 3:51pm CDT
NuclearConvoy wrote:Oh well ****, that Sideswipe looks sexy. Now I have to rescind my no autobots rule for RID15. I'm not sure on Jazz yet.or Grimlock. I like both of them on the show but their toys are not grabbing me... Also Grimlock should have a weapon. Every other warrior has one...
I think the "thought" was Grimlock doesn't need a weapon b/c he has teeth & claws. Some kind of forearm blade(s) or punching dagger type blade might have been cool though.
What the heck is Jazz's weapon supposed to be? It looks like some kind of lance/spear, but the peg makes it look like some kind of rifle.
Posted by william-james88 on March 27th, 2015 @ 3:55pm CDT
NuclearConvoy wrote:That blows. They look cool and if the deployed didn't look like a barely poseable, gimmick-laden mess I'd have gone for those. Drift as a warrior any good?
It's been described as akin to Cybertron's deluxe hotshot but with better articulation. Sounds awesome to me
Posted by Cobotron on March 27th, 2015 @ 4:01pm CDT
william-james88 wrote:NuclearConvoy wrote:That blows. They look cool and if the deployed didn't look like a barely poseable, gimmick-laden mess I'd have gone for those. Drift as a warrior any good?
It's been described as akin to Cybertron's deluxe hotshot but with better articulation. Sounds awesome to me
Drift is GREAT!
Posted by NuclearConvoy on March 27th, 2015 @ 4:21pm CDT
Cobotron wrote:william-james88 wrote:NuclearConvoy wrote:That blows. They look cool and if the deployed didn't look like a barely poseable, gimmick-laden mess I'd have gone for those. Drift as a warrior any good?
It's been described as akin to Cybertron's deluxe hotshot but with better articulation. Sounds awesome to me
Drift is GREAT!
Nifty
Posted by rpetras on March 27th, 2015 @ 4:26pm CDT
I could see myself picking up these two, and maybe drift too.
They could add to my TFP shelf since I don't expect to have enough of these guys to make a defined shelf.
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on March 27th, 2015 @ 4:34pm CDT
Posted by Cobotron on March 27th, 2015 @ 4:44pm CDT
Or is it Drifty?NuclearConvoy wrote:Nifty
@rpetras - Bee was a nice surprise right? The only one I'm not thrilled with is Prime, but he has his merits. I currently have all these guys on my Unicron Trilogy shelf. They fit right in. My Prime shelf is still in the works. I might try them up there though.
@NukeCon - I feel your Cons only thing. If they only made all Cons in Warrior class I'd be happy. But some of these Bots are really fun.
Posted by Moosey on March 27th, 2015 @ 4:54pm CDT
Posted by Cobotron on March 27th, 2015 @ 5:02pm CDT
Posted by -Kanrabat- on March 27th, 2015 @ 5:45pm CDT
Erhg...
Completely different chest colors, and I hope it's possible to bring the doors over his shoulders like the picture. Also, giant butt-flap that I hope is misstransformed. Let's hope Takara will do better,, at least on the paintjob.
Posted by halistan on March 27th, 2015 @ 5:47pm CDT
Posted by -Kanrabat- on March 27th, 2015 @ 5:50pm CDT
halistan wrote:Wow....those look like crap. I feel sorry for this new series already *sigh*
Welcome aboard!
I usually don't like when someone's first comment is negative, but... Well... I kinda agree, but only for the colors and paintjobs. The bots are usually have a nice design and I really dig these vehicles. However, the colors are WAY too bright and... luminescent? Plus the paint aps on the Hasbro ones look really cheap and sloppy. Takara fix this, as usual.
Posted by LE0KING on March 27th, 2015 @ 5:53pm CDT
Posted by -Kanrabat- on March 27th, 2015 @ 6:00pm CDT
LE0KING wrote:Is Jazz a remold of prime bumblebee?... It looks like it.
Oh, it is! Clever bastards. That make the butt-flap a moot point then.
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on March 27th, 2015 @ 6:04pm CDT
-Kanrabat- wrote:LE0KING wrote:Is Jazz a remold of prime bumblebee?... It looks like it.
Oh, it is! Clever bastards. That make the butt-flap a moot point then.
No it's not, and we've been over this:
Posted by Slashercon on March 27th, 2015 @ 6:08pm CDT
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on March 27th, 2015 @ 6:12pm CDT
Slashercon wrote:It's bad enough the Bumblebee of this warriors line recycled the transformation of RID Vehicon
Just two parts: the head reveal and the arms: not a retool
but now Jazz is almost an extensive remold of PRID Bumblebee...
Nope.
and Sideswipe looks like an extensive remold of Beast Hunters Smokescreen.
Nope.
Posted by LegendaryAntiHero on March 27th, 2015 @ 6:41pm CDT
Posted by Gallifreyan Autobot on March 27th, 2015 @ 7:35pm CDT
Posted by Siger on March 27th, 2015 @ 7:38pm CDT
Posted by CombaticonsCombine? on March 27th, 2015 @ 7:42pm CDT
I hope his larger-classed incarnations have one.
Posted by welcometothedarksyde on March 27th, 2015 @ 7:53pm CDT
Slashercon wrote:Laziness to the umpteenth degree. It's bad enough the Bumblebee of this warriors line recycled the transformation of RID Vehicon, but now Jazz is almost an extensive remold of PRID Bumblebee and Sideswipe looks like an extensive remold of Beast Hunters Smokescreen. Having actually watched the show (and liked it thus far), I can safely say, this line had much potential, but it fell down the quality drain for me.
I summon the all powerful forces and wisdom of the wiki!!!
"Over the course of the various Transformers toy lines, quite a few toys that are similar in appearance have been mistakenly assumed to be "retools" by fans, even though the toys in question often only have superficial similarities, or are merely based around the same basic engineering."
It's happened quite a few times where similar engineering is used between toys, and it doesn't make either toy worse IMO. As long as they can offer us something new with each release I'm content
Posted by Siger on March 27th, 2015 @ 8:12pm CDT
CombaticonsCombine? wrote:A bit disappointed that Jazz doesn't have a visor.
I hope his larger-classed incarnations have one.
My bad, tired and not thinking. Disregard this post.
Posted by hinomars19 on March 27th, 2015 @ 8:13pm CDT
Why are so many of the car modes so....square? (rectangular)
Maybe I could turn Jazz into a decent Prime Smokescreen. I didn't buy any version of him since 1 sacrificed screen accuracy to be knockout for transformation, and the other cheat formed sacrificed transformation for screen accuracy.
hhmmm, actually maybe not. The vehicle mode is all wrong.
Posted by Shockwave7 on March 27th, 2015 @ 8:17pm CDT
That said, this line just isn't doing anything for me so far. I've seen several in stores, and not felt any pull to buy/own any of them. I'll pass on these in favor of Combiner Wars, thanks.
Posted by MightyMagnus78 on March 27th, 2015 @ 8:36pm CDT
Posted by PrymeStriker on March 27th, 2015 @ 9:15pm CDT
-In-Package images within days
Sideswipe and Jazz are the sexiest figures of this whole line. Bought on sight. I can't wait until someone spots them!
Posted by Cobotron on March 27th, 2015 @ 9:33pm CDT
Totaly thought of this when the news dropped.PrymeStriker wrote:-Makes inquisition about the release date of Jazz and Sideswipe
-In-Package images within days
Are you psychic PS?
Posted by Sabrblade on March 27th, 2015 @ 10:53pm CDT
In other words, not a retool at all.
OptimalOptimus2 wrote:I just realized something. The first Slipstream toy! (But as an Autobot.)
Posted by King Kuuga on March 28th, 2015 @ 12:17am CDT
Posted by Sabrblade on March 28th, 2015 @ 12:20am CDT
Did ya a favor and went and found it for ya.That Bot wrote:Somewhere else on the boards I picked apart the claim that PRID Bumblebee and RID15 Jazz are anything close to the same. I don't feel like looking up that analysis but basically except for a few parts (forearms, thighs, etc) they share no tooling and even appear to transform in somewhat different ways. It's a new mold.
That Bot wrote:The shoulders are similar, but definitely not identical. The head flap is completely different in both shape AND function between Jazz and Bumblebee. Bee's is a rounded "L" shape that his head sits on, with the middle of the grille sitting behind his head. It moves 180 degrees for transformation. Meanwhile, Jazz's is most likely a regular L shaped piece, with the part sitting behind his head becoming a wedge in the hood of the car (a common Jazz trait). It only rotates 90 degrees. The arms on Jazz form the front fender and grille of the car mode instead of the sides, and they clearly lack the rigid gearing that kept Bee's arms sitting low, instead having a thick moving connection between the shoulders and torso. On top of that, every single part of Jazz is shaped and sculpted differently from those on Bumblebee. They don't share any identifiable parts that I can see, and the only similar elements are the shoulder wheel hubs, the door wings, and the roof of the car on the back. That last trait is extremely common and not limited to just Prime Bumblebee's toys. These are two completely different molds.
That Bot wrote:Here's a vehicle mode comparison, also.
As I pointed out above, Jazz's arms swing forward and he does a fistbump with himself to form the front fender of the car, while Bumblebee's arms tuck in by his sides. The roofs might be similar, although Jazz's lacks the hood panel, with that part of the car instead being made directly out of his calves. I remember people were also suspecting that RID15 Bee was a retool of the PRID Vehicon, which turned out to not be the case. I'm going to go ahead and call that this line is completely new molds for the time being.
Posted by william-james88 on March 28th, 2015 @ 12:57am CDT
hinomars19 wrote:Jazz is confusing everybody because the shoulders look near identical to BB. I had to double take that part too, but it's just designed the same way, it's not using the same parts.
Why are so many of the car modes so....square? (rectangular)
Maybe I could turn Jazz into a decent Prime Smokescreen. I didn't buy any version of him since 1 sacrificed screen accuracy to be knockout for transformation, and the other cheat formed sacrificed transformation for screen accuracy.
hhmmm, actually maybe not. The vehicle mode is all wrong.
Wait, maybe I missed something, were there 2 Prime smokescreen molds?
Also, Sabr, I feel jazz has less in common with bumblebee than Starscream does to Smokescreen. Its just those shoulders distracting us all so much.
Posted by Sabrblade on March 28th, 2015 @ 1:03am CDT
There was the Prime Arms Micron Smokescreen that was just a head-retool of Knock Out.william-james88 wrote:Wait, maybe I missed something, were there 2 Prime smokescreen molds?
Right on.william-james88 wrote:Also, Sabr, I feel jazz has less in common with bumblebee than Starscream does to Smokescreen. Its just those shoulders distracting us all so much.
Posted by william-james88 on March 28th, 2015 @ 1:08am CDT
Sabrblade wrote:There was the Prime Arms Micron Smokescreen that was just a head-retool of Knock Out.william-james88 wrote:Wait, maybe I missed something, were there 2 Prime smokescreen molds?
HOLY F**K! I Never saw that before. That was quite jarring. And yeah, I also think we never got a great smokescreen toy. Oh well.
Posted by Slashercon on March 28th, 2015 @ 9:15am CDT
-("Drama"con has spoken)
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on March 28th, 2015 @ 9:53am CDT
Slashercon wrote:Alot of you guys are acting as if I'm not on to something. Well if Jazz wasn't identical in design to PRID Bumblebee and seemingly didn't share the same transformation scheme, It wouldn't have been as big a deal as I mentioned, But Sideswipe and Bumblebee also share astounding similarities to past PRID/BeastHunter figures and It has been bothering me lately. The closest example of this I can think of is Universal exclusive Movie Evac being a major remold/similar transformation scheme of DOTM Roadbuster. But apparently, I'm always wrong, even when I show of shred of being possibly right
-("Drama"con has spoken)
The problem seems to stem from the perceived definition of "retool" or "remold".
As a rule of thumb, if a figure is a retool of another, they share the same base mold. If the retooled part is the head, the rest of the body is the same mold-wise:
Gen. Autobot Skids with his mold mate Crosscut
Sometimes retools are more drastic, changing parts of the vehicle mode as well (that's the basis Combiner Wars is built on). As long as the base mold is the same, it's still considered a retool:
Gen. Autobot Springer with Sandstorm
Things get a bit iffy when only a certain part of an older toy is used, and the new toy is built around it. That actually happened once during RotF, when 2008 Camaro Concept Bumblebee was used for Cannon Bumblebee:
RotF Bumblebee (itself a retool of Camaro Concept Bumblebee) and Cannon Bumblebee. Watch the legs!
When no parts are shared, it's not a retool, but one can still say they share engineering (read: basic transformation). That was used all the way back in G1 with the Mini-Bots Bumblebee and Cliffjumper, the Jumpstarters and the Battlechargers, among other figures. Even now the concept is used: if a transformation (step) is favorable, re-use it (that goes especially when a design is upsized).
The examples listed in previous posts share transformation. But that alone is not enough to consider them "retools". Using an older figure's transformation or part thereof, does to seem to happen more often as of late I've noticed. One reviewer even called out RiD2015 Legion Bumblebee's transformation being similar to Armada Sparkplug's.
Posted by william-james88 on March 28th, 2015 @ 9:58am CDT
Slashercon wrote:Alot of you guys are acting as if I'm not on to something. Well if Jazz wasn't identical in design to PRID Bumblebee and seemingly didn't share the same transformation scheme, It wouldn't have been as big a deal as I mentioned, But Sideswipe and Bumblebee also share astounding similarities to past PRID/BeastHunter figures and It has been bothering me lately. The closest example of this I can think of is Universal exclusive Movie Evac being a major remold/similar transformation scheme of DOTM Roadbuster. But apparently, I'm always wrong, even when I show of shred of being possibly right
-("Drama"con has spoken)
It was never said that the toys don't share a similar transformation scheme or a similar look. It was only said that calling them retools of oneanother is not correct and saying that the transformation scheme is the SAME is also incorrect. It's just similar. They don't share any molding whatsoever. This is the same deal as AOE Lockdown and DOTM roadbuster. That one was also said a bunch last summer because there were some obvious similarities. There is no objection to the similarities for those and none for these either. But calling them retools doesnt make any sense.
No one mentions Cybertron Hotshot and Combiner Wars Dragstrip as being similar in transformation but they are. And yet somehow nobody would calls those lazy retools of one another. And thats because they were made so far apart from one another. Just like we don't say MP-10 is just a downsizing of MP-01. Is MP-10 a lazy reusing of the MP01 mold? They share a similar transformation scheme though, as much if not more than Jazz and Bumblebee.
The point is transformations may appear similar but that does not make something lazy or a retool. If this Jazz is considered that by anyone, than it would be hypocritical to not think the same way about MP-10.
Posted by -Kanrabat- on March 28th, 2015 @ 10:05am CDT
Posted by welcometothedarksyde on March 28th, 2015 @ 12:53pm CDT
I think I see your point Slashercon, but retool is really the wrong word to use in these circumstances. Retooling means something really specific.
Posted by Optimizzy on March 28th, 2015 @ 2:39pm CDT
Posted by Slashercon on March 28th, 2015 @ 5:49pm CDT
Posted by King Kuuga on March 28th, 2015 @ 7:19pm CDT
(Sorry, not sorry)
Posted by william-james88 on March 28th, 2015 @ 8:30pm CDT
Slashercon wrote:Not to sound ignorant (too late?), but I didn't bother reading all of the replies you guys had for me.
Posted by Slashercon on March 28th, 2015 @ 8:51pm CDT
william-james88 wrote:Slashercon wrote:Not to sound ignorant (too late?), but I didn't bother reading all of the replies you guys had for me.
Appropriate response.