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Possible Remolds of Kup and Scourge Revealed

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Tuesday, December 21st, 2010 1:09AM CST

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It's happened with Tomahawk, Terradive, Darkmount to Skullgrin, Lockdown to Axor, Bumblebee to Cliffjumper, and Thunderwing to Black Shadow (Cross your fingers), so why stop now? Instructions for both upcoming Generations figures, Kup and Scourge, have landed on Hasbro.com. Seibertron.com member El Duque notifies us that their heads certainly do not look like either Kup or Scourge, so we can only assume that these instructions tell a tale of a future remold. Check them out below!

Scourge
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Kup
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In the future, if your Kup and Scourge do not come with instructions, be sure to bookmark the links too!

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Re: Possible Remolds of Kup and Scourge Revealed (1159776)
Posted by ubertenorman on December 21st, 2010 @ 1:11am CST
I hate to say it, but for some reason the not-Kup head reminds me of Hot Shot.

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Re: Possible Remolds of Kup and Scourge Revealed (1159780)
Posted by The Dude on December 21st, 2010 @ 1:18am CST
Fools!

It's Orion Pax!

As for not-Scourge, I don't know. Leozack, I guess. Go Leozack.
Re: Possible Remolds of Kup and Scourge Revealed (1159781)
Posted by emeraldbeacon on December 21st, 2010 @ 1:29am CST
Blurrz wrote:Kup
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Almost reminds me of Armada Smokescreen/Hoist. I could also see Gears in that head... and that Orion Pax (or Optronix?) guess could be interesting, as well.
Re: Possible Remolds of Kup and Scourge Revealed (1159782)
Posted by omega666 on December 21st, 2010 @ 1:34am CST
I'm thinking Orion Pax.
Re: Possible Remolds of Kup and Scourge Revealed (1159783)
Posted by Skice on December 21st, 2010 @ 1:39am CST
"Kup" could be the Action Master Kick-off.
Re: Possible Remolds of Kup and Scourge Revealed (1159784)
Posted by Samsonator on December 21st, 2010 @ 1:43am CST
I'll thrown my hat in with the Senator Ratbat crowd... but the Kup remold's too vague to make an informed opinion on, it really looks like it could be just about anyone (well anyone with a round-ish head)
Re: Possible Remolds of Kup and Scourge Revealed (1159786)
Posted by Oilspill on December 21st, 2010 @ 1:47am CST
I don't get a massive Gears or Orion Pax vibe from the Kup remould. Any other ideas? Is there a Micromaster pickup truck somewhere?
Re: Possible Remolds of Kup and Scourge Revealed (1159791)
Posted by Screamfleet on December 21st, 2010 @ 2:02am CST
Whatever they are, they'll have to be colors I really like for me to get them, I think one of each of those molds will do it for me.
Re: Possible Remolds of Kup and Scourge Revealed (1159792)
Posted by fenrir72 on December 21st, 2010 @ 2:05am CST
I hope that's Orion Pax.
Re: Possible Remolds of Kup and Scourge Revealed (1159796)
Posted by Galvatrondestroyer on December 21st, 2010 @ 2:15am CST
kinda weird that Scourge would get a repaint/remold considering most people will get more than 1 Scourge so they can have sweeps as well

ill agree with everyone else that Kups might very well be Orion Pax considering the original Kup was repainted as an exclusive Orion...wait for it people we'll get wheelie repainted into Dion lol
Re: Possible Remolds of Kup and Scourge Revealed (1159805)
Posted by Berserker Prime on December 21st, 2010 @ 2:38am CST
DavidT wrote:See what I mean!

http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/Ratbat_(G1)
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Ya, ratbat all the way. I got a gears feeling from the kup one too. Looks like my new rule of no repaints is ganna be broken real quick.
Re: Possible Remolds of Kup and Scourge Revealed (1159808)
Posted by Flux Convoy on December 21st, 2010 @ 2:43am CST
I can get behind that for Orion Pax. Scourge does resemble Leozack which is a shame because the Botcon figure looks effing amazing in those colors. Skyquake too. I wouldn't mind Ratbat or someone else. LioKaiser maybe?
:BOT:
Re: Possible Remolds of Kup and Scourge Revealed (1159810)
Posted by Wolfman Jake on December 21st, 2010 @ 2:48am CST
Fender Bender wrote:So....Botcon releases that have become redundant due to a general release figure coming out so far:
2005 Ironhide
2005 Ratchet
2007 Springer
2007 Thrust
2007 Dirge
2007 Huffer
2009 Kup
2009 Scourge
2009 Banzaitron
2009 Leozack


Some of these figues shouldn't be on a Classics "redundancy" list. PCC Huffer doesn't replace BotCon Huffer for the "Classics" shelf. Power Core Combiners is its own continutiy, which now seems to actually be part of the extended live action movie continutiy. Similarly, Banzaitron is technically a movie figure.

BotCon Ironhide and Ratchet were released two years before "Classics" even existed, are totally outclassed by their Universe 2.0 incarnations, especially in robot mode.

BotCon Kup is really a much younger, alternate history version of Kup, whereas the Generations figure is obviously the choice for the character we all know and love from G1 in terms of alt mode and his grizzled old-man face.

With Springer, we get two distinct figures representing one each of his triple changer alt modes from G1.

BotCon Scourge was great for a time, but such an important character really does deserve his own "Classics" mold instead of a repaint and head swap of another character from another continuity's toyline.

BotCon Thrust and Dirge are still unique from their Generations Counterparts. Thrust has different tooling between the two versions, and BotCon Dirge is just a Ramjet repaint, while Generages Dirge has all new wing moldings.

So, that really leaves Leozack, but all signs are pointing towards the Generations Scourge repaint/remold being "Senator" Ratbat instead.

I don't think Hasbro is really stepping on FunPub's toes at all with its recent releases.
Re: Possible Remolds of Kup and Scourge Revealed (1159811)
Posted by noodles2go on December 21st, 2010 @ 2:50am CST
My guess for the Kup repaint will be Brawn. My science is a bit finicky behind it, but that's my guess and I'm sticking to it! :BOT:
Re: Possible Remolds of Kup and Scourge Revealed (1159833)
Posted by Poyguimogul on December 21st, 2010 @ 4:24am CST
The head on the first one looks alot like "Megatron:Origin" Ratbat or G1 Leozack.

Kup... You got me...Huffer?..Crosshairs?..
Re: Possible Remolds of Kup and Scourge Revealed (1159836)
Posted by Dai_Ceefax on December 21st, 2010 @ 4:39am CST
Whilst I agree with many of Wolfman Jake's comments, I'd say that, continuity be damned, PCC Huffer is a great classics Huffer and quite G1 toy-accurate (visor, chest, silver arms etc.). As far as Botcon Ironhide & Ratchet are concerned, they may be less accurate to the G1 cartoon models but the Tow-line mould makes a fantastic (and, undoubtedly, intentional) update to the original Ironhide/Ratchet toy.

On topic:

Leozack = hope not, not the right mould, Botcon version is amazing and, well, who wants a blue re-use of a blue mould?
Gears = meh, though a Swerve could be cool (better colours IMO), the head is more Gears-like though.

Senator Ratbat = would be EPIC
Orion Pax = with Black Shadow hopefully on the way, this could actually happen - who'd have thought, eh?
Re: Possible Remolds of Kup and Scourge Revealed (1159838)
Posted by Flux Convoy on December 21st, 2010 @ 4:44am CST
Wolfman Jake wrote:
Fender Bender wrote:So....Botcon releases that have become redundant due to a general release figure coming out so far:
2005 Ironhide
2005 Ratchet
2007 Springer
2007 Thrust
2007 Dirge
2007 Huffer
2009 Kup
2009 Scourge
2009 Banzaitron
2009 Leozack


Some of these figues shouldn't be on a Classics "redundancy" list. PCC Huffer doesn't replace BotCon Huffer for the "Classics" shelf. Power Core Combiners is its own continutiy, which now seems to actually be part of the extended live action movie continutiy. Similarly, Banzaitron is technically a movie figure.

BotCon Ironhide and Ratchet were released two years before "Classics" even existed, are totally outclassed by their Universe 2.0 incarnations, especially in robot mode.

BotCon Kup is really a much younger, alternate history version of Kup, whereas the Generations figure is obviously the choice for the character we all know and love from G1 in terms of alt mode and his grizzled old-man face.

With Springer, we get two distinct figures representing one each of his triple changer alt modes from G1.

BotCon Scourge was great for a time, but such an important character really does deserve his own "Classics" mold instead of a repaint and head swap of another character from another continuity's toyline.

BotCon Thrust and Dirge are still unique from their Generations Counterparts. Thrust has different tooling between the two versions, and BotCon Dirge is just a Ramjet repaint, while Generages Dirge has all new wing moldings.

So, that really leaves Leozack, but all signs are pointing towards the Generations Scourge repaint/remold being "Senator" Ratbat instead.

I don't think Hasbro is really stepping on FunPub's toes at all with its recent releases.

For the most part I agree.
*Ironhide and Ratchet replace a worse mold and mediocre Botcon head molds. Upgrade IMO.
*Springer is redundant only because of Fansproject to me. The Hasbro offerings were just nothing interesting for my money.
*Thrust and Dirge, yeah. I'll concede here. The new ones are pretty near perfect though and I gladly replaced my Botcon versions with them.
*Huffer is still the most "Classic" version we've gotten. That's despite my fondness for the PCC 2 packs.
*Kup, he was a stand-in for me at best until we got something nicer. We are now and I'm still unsure whether or not to box him away since he fits a subsect of my "Classic" display.
*Scourge, Kinda the same deal as Kup for me. Except I definately want to keep them out. Maybe I can just group the historical segment of that years set together and display it all.
*Banzaitron, IMO, Botcon version wins. No contest. I love the colors on the ROTF mold but he fits nowhere in a "Classic" display. Since I already own Bludgeon and my movie figures are few, he'd be very redundant.
*Leozack, I love the Energon Starscream mold in the colors used for both figures. Skyquake SHOULD be a God damn disaster but it works. I'm really hoping we get something a little more fresh with that one. The Generations Scourge mold looks very interesting.
:BOT:
Re: Possible Remolds of Kup and Scourge Revealed (1159857)
Posted by Stockade on December 21st, 2010 @ 5:31am CST
vladimir-pocket wrote:-skims through megaton origin- im thinking ratbat instead of leozack... not sure about kup though



Ratbat would be an awesome choice, but im game for either.
Re: Possible Remolds of Kup and Scourge Revealed (1159866)
Posted by Gauntlet101010 on December 21st, 2010 @ 5:56am CST
I really like Botcon Scourge. Even when I get the new Generations Scourge Botcon Scourge may still be Scourge and the Generations one a Sweep. Maybe. Of course my space is damned limited.

The exclucive toys aren't made worthless just because there's a more regular release put out.

As for the teo new heads ... Ratbat does nothing for me. It's a tape or bust for the tape guys in my book. Having got the G1 reissues, I have a proper Ratbat. The other rings no bells.
Re: Possible Remolds of Kup and Scourge Revealed (1159873)
Posted by Cyber Bishop on December 21st, 2010 @ 6:11am CST
Hmmm.. To me it just looks like whomever illustrated the images was lazy and did not want to add detail.
LOL
Re: Possible Remolds of Kup and Scourge Revealed (1159877)
Posted by Amelie on December 21st, 2010 @ 6:55am CST
The new Kup head could easily be two things -

Gears (with the lamp on the side for his Infrared ability)
Trailbreaker (with the lamp on the side similar to the G1 cartoon and toy)

For the sake of those that want a complete 1984 cast, I hope its Trailbreaker. Gears was a minibot, and hopefully they can squeeze him out in Legends or something.
Re: Possible Remolds of Kup and Scourge Revealed (1159879)
Posted by Down_Shift on December 21st, 2010 @ 6:57am CST
Kup is obviously Gears... wihich is really disappointing. I was hoping he'd be a scout, although the fielrst time I saw kups robot mode I thought the chest looked like Gears chest in the old comics.

Scourge remould looks like Divebomb to me, but it does look a lot like Ratbat too. I can see Leozak but I can almost see someone else too...
Re: Possible Remolds of Kup and Scourge Revealed (1159885)
Posted by Fender Bender on December 21st, 2010 @ 7:22am CST
Gauntlet101010 wrote:I really like Botcon Scourge. Even when I get the new Generations Scourge Botcon Scourge may still be Scourge and the Generations one a Sweep. Maybe. Of course my space is damned limited.

The exclucive toys aren't made worthless just because there's a more regular release put out.

As for the teo new heads ... Ratbat does nothing for me. It's a tape or bust for the tape guys in my book. Having got the G1 reissues, I have a proper Ratbat. The other rings no bells.


I didn't say they were worthless, just redundant. As my signature says, I wouldn't mind owning the BC 2009 Scourge and Sweeps, even though Generations Scourge is the superior/cheaper figure. I guess I'd just like the two entities to try to avoid doing the same characters to allow for a more diverse offering year after year.

Even if this is Senator Ratbat rather than Leozack, that still makes the Target Exclusive Ratbat (Cybertron Sideways repaint) redundant. While this version may turn out to be the superior version of "Senator Ratbat", I'd rather just have one and had Hasbro use the repaint of Scourge for somebody else. Perhaps G2 Falcon or an American version of G1 Strafe or even G1 Jumpstarter Topspin would have been a better use of the remold? I'm sure there are other, better choices
Re: Possible Remolds of Kup and Scourge Revealed (1159887)
Posted by Oilspill on December 21st, 2010 @ 7:24am CST
By the way, there is a better pic of not-Kup's head if you zoom in on the instructions - you can see he does actually have a mouth.

Here we go:
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I'm not entirely convinced it's Gears, but it would make sense as Hasbro seems to be doing all the 1984 lineup. And they may have taken liberties with his head since the G1 head is not going to look great on the Kup body.
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Maybe it is a half-Gears-half-Swerve headsculpt. I see a few possible Swerve elements.
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Someone said Crosshairs, which would work pretty decently with the body, and the head is close-ish:
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Re: Possible Remolds of Kup and Scourge Revealed (1159888)
Posted by Prime Evil on December 21st, 2010 @ 7:27am CST
Gonna Toss my pennies into this mix. So far, I'm guessing Gears and Leozack. If hasbro is willing to possibly do a Blackshadow (unconfirmred still) then I don't see why they wouldn't do a Leozack. If the character ends up being Ratbat, I won't complain.

As for the possible extras with Botcon and Hasbro's release of Scourge and Leazack:

For me, Scourge is himself and he will have all kinds of sweep clones. With this release, I'll have him, my Botcon, and my 2 Titaniums to have a a troop build army. Botcon Scourge's facial hair is grey so he will be he oldest, and the other Botcon sweeps will be his main inner circle, and the newer additions, will be generics.

Leozack...hey, looks like Botcon one becomes...Lyzack
Re: Possible Remolds of Kup and Scourge Revealed (1159889)
Posted by Oilspill on December 21st, 2010 @ 7:37am CST
Also, you get to see how Ratbat's (or Leozack's) head looks in alt mode. Seems a little strange from the line art.
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Re: Possible Remolds of Kup and Scourge Revealed (1159892)
Posted by Neo Tallgeese on December 21st, 2010 @ 7:42am CST
El Duque wrote:
DavidT wrote:Not sure about Kup... but the Scourge is definitely gonna be Ratbat ;)


That would be cool, but it REALLY looks like Leozak. Not that it would stop them, but they already released Ratbat as a Sideways repaint in the comic two pack with Springer.


True, but Prime, Bumblebee, Starscream, and Megatron have all gotten the multiple release treatment. Ratbat may not be as popular, but it is possible.
Re: Possible Remolds of Kup and Scourge Revealed (1159896)
Posted by Rated X on December 21st, 2010 @ 7:46am CST
Orian Pax for Kup.

A waste for Scourge. Should have been Alpha Trion.
Re: Possible Remolds of Kup and Scourge Revealed (1159900)
Posted by TeletranPrime on December 21st, 2010 @ 8:12am CST
Does anyone know why Hasbro keeps making this "mistake"? :BANG_HEAD:
Re: Possible Remolds of Kup and Scourge Revealed (1159901)
Posted by Dai_Ceefax on December 21st, 2010 @ 8:15am CST
Rated X wrote:A waste for Scourge. Should have been Alpha Trion.


That can still be a straight repaint as Alpha Trion at some stage though...

If the remould is Ratbat, I'd love for FunPub to repaint it as the Batman-styled SG Ratbat. It'd not only look great, but it'd pretty much be a Batman transformer too. What's not to love about that...?
Re: Possible Remolds of Kup and Scourge Revealed (1159927)
Posted by Mkall on December 21st, 2010 @ 9:31am CST
TeletranPrime wrote:Does anyone know why Hasbro keeps making this "mistake"? :BANG_HEAD:

I think it's being done on purpose actually. Nothing teases us fans into rampant speculation like these do.
Re: Possible Remolds of Kup and Scourge Revealed (1159928)
Posted by JelZe GoldRabbit on December 21st, 2010 @ 9:34am CST
Mkall wrote:
TeletranPrime wrote:Does anyone know why Hasbro keeps making this "mistake"? :BANG_HEAD:

I think it's being done on purpose actually.


Yeah, to save money on Instruction Sheets by reusing art and only changing the name. :lol:
Re: Possible Remolds of Kup and Scourge Revealed (1159977)
Posted by kirbenvost on December 21st, 2010 @ 11:26am CST
Interesting. I probably won't get the Kup remold, but the Scourge one is intriguing. It does look a lot like Senator Ratbat, I guess we'll see.
Re: Possible Remolds of Kup and Scourge Revealed (1159982)
Posted by RiddlerJ on December 21st, 2010 @ 11:32am CST
Maybe Scourge will be Bombburst.
Re: Possible Remolds of Kup and Scourge Revealed (1160004)
Posted by Colinus Maximus on December 21st, 2010 @ 12:12pm CST
Call me crazy, but before reading all the Leozack/Ratbat comments the first vibe I got off of not-Scourge was Devcon. Maybe just wishful thinking.
Re: Possible Remolds of Kup and Scourge Revealed (1160014)
Posted by Pretender Skywarp on December 21st, 2010 @ 12:34pm CST
Ok, for whats it's worth I'm actually seeing G1-Skids on the not-Kup sheet, especially after the front-on close up posted on the previous page.

As for not-Scourge, the only thing I can see (for some odd reason) when I look, is Jaruga, but since he wasn't a jet it's highly unlikely!!
Re: Possible Remolds of Kup and Scourge Revealed (1160021)
Posted by Valandar on December 21st, 2010 @ 1:03pm CST
Maybe Kupp's remold is Micromaster Big Hauler?

http://www.tfu.info/1990/Autobot/BigHau ... hauler.htm

As for it being Skids... I dunno. (G1) Skids has more of a square head, with almost horns on the side. His head more resembles G1 Sideswipe than what we're seeing there.
Re: Possible Remolds of Kup and Scourge Revealed (1160050)
Posted by vladimir-pocket on December 21st, 2010 @ 1:51pm CST
Pretender Skywarp wrote:Ok, for whats it's worth I'm actually seeing G1-Skids on the not-Kup sheet, especially after the front-on close up posted on the previous page.

As for not-Scourge, the only thing I can see (for some odd reason) when I look, is Jaruga, but since he wasn't a jet it's highly unlikely!!


you beat me too it. i was looking through tfwiki today and saw G1 skids and thought it might be possible

he still looks odd though any chance its a new character released under RTS?
Re: Possible Remolds of Kup and Scourge Revealed (1160059)
Posted by jlogano20 on December 21st, 2010 @ 2:10pm CST
Blurrz wrote:It's happened with Tomahawk, Terradive, Darkmount to Skullgrin, Lockdown to Axor, Bumblebee to Cliffjumper, and Thunderwing to Black Shadow (Cross your fingers), so why stop now? Instructions for both upcoming Generations figures, Kup and Scourge, have landed on Hasbro.com. Seibertron.com member El Duque notifies us that their heads certainly do not look like either Kup or Scourge, so we can only assume that these instructions tell a tale of a future remold. Check them out below!

Scourge
Image



forgot to ass lugnut to the list

Kup
Image

In the future, if your Kup and Scourge do not come with instructions, be sure to bookmark the links too!

Seibertron.com - The Ultimate Transformers Resource!
Re: Possible Remolds of Kup and Scourge Revealed (1160060)
Posted by Megazarak on December 21st, 2010 @ 2:19pm CST
I'm thinking it's definitely Senator Ratbat for Scourge and it would make a lot of sense for Kup's remold to be Orion Pax. Kup's original figure was repainted into Orion and the head does look pretty similar in my opinion. I hope they both get new weapons to fit better with their characters as well.
Re: Possible Remolds of Kup and Scourge Revealed (1160061)
Posted by craggy on December 21st, 2010 @ 2:20pm CST
I saw those and thought Slugslinger and Hotshot. I do like some of the other suggestions put forth so far though.
Re: Possible Remolds of Kup and Scourge Revealed (1160069)
Posted by ausbot on December 21st, 2010 @ 2:43pm CST
Before i saw not-kup had a mouth i was thinking X-brawn!
Re: Possible Remolds of Kup and Scourge Revealed (1160091)
Posted by Mindmaster on December 21st, 2010 @ 3:21pm CST
Hmm... Nothing comes to mind. Scourge's alternate head reminds me of some Japanese Transformer, much like Black Shadow. Kup's, I'm not sure either, but it definitely has an Autobot-esque head. :???:
Re: Possible Remolds of Kup and Scourge Revealed (1160099)
Posted by Jenus on December 21st, 2010 @ 3:34pm CST
The Kup mold I'm not really sure on, but I'm sure the new head mold on Scourge is Mindwipe and not Ratbat or Leozack. We already got a Ratbat figure in the Universe 2.0 line up with Springer.
Re: Possible Remolds of Kup and Scourge Revealed (1160102)
Posted by craggy on December 21st, 2010 @ 3:40pm CST
gotta admit there, I totally forgot that Mindwipe sometimes has a head in robot mode.
Re: Possible Remolds of Kup and Scourge Revealed (1160105)
Posted by vladimir-pocket on December 21st, 2010 @ 3:46pm CST
RATBAT :D (made in 3 muinets with windows paint ;) )
Re: Possible Remolds of Kup and Scourge Revealed (1160117)
Posted by Bradimus on December 21st, 2010 @ 4:15pm CST
Not-Scourge seems to fit Senator Ratbat.

Not-Kup seems to fit G1 Skids. http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/Skids_%28G1%29

* Skids (3D Battle-Card, 2007)

A 26-point "common" character in the 3D Battle-Card Game's "Energon Wars" expansion, Skids "transforms" into a grey pickup truck of indeterminate make. He uses the same parts layout as movieverse Ironhide and Dropkick.


Between the pics and the card game character bio, Skids seems to fit best.
Re: Possible Remolds of Kup and Scourge Revealed (1160130)
Posted by Agamemnon on December 21st, 2010 @ 5:00pm CST
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
Mkall wrote:
TeletranPrime wrote:Does anyone know why Hasbro keeps making this "mistake"? :BANG_HEAD:

I think it's being done on purpose actually.


Yeah, to save money on Instruction Sheets by reusing art and only changing the name. :lol:


Plus, it generates interest among the fanbase for what might be coming out. (See the last 7 pages of this thread.)

Any chance Scourge might be Jhiaxus? I know Terradive matches the color scheme of KB Store Exclusive Jhiaxus, but the not Scourge head looks a little like Jhiaxus. And aren't we supposed to be getting a Jhiaxus, or was that complete speculation?
Re: Possible Remolds of Kup and Scourge Revealed (1160133)
Posted by RK_Striker_JK_5 on December 21st, 2010 @ 5:10pm CST
I can't say for either of them. I personally love Ratbat from Universe 2.0, but a I'd get a new one too.
Re: Possible Remolds of Kup and Scourge Revealed (1160134)
Posted by Ungie on December 21st, 2010 @ 5:15pm CST
The Kup head is screaming Orion Pax to me, not a clue for Scourge... :BOT:

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