Scale Comparison and Articulation Breakdown for Transformers Generations Cyber Series
Sunday, August 2nd, 2015 6:51PM CDT
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ScottyP wrote:Didn't have as much time as expected and cell camera is starting to spaz out, but here's some of the requested comparisons.
This one may only interest me, but just wanted to show that while the "small" Bee from this line shares engineering with the upscaled BH Cyberverse Deluxe, they are definitely not the same mold retooled or further upscaled:
Lit of Articulation:
- Cyber Commander Prime - Ball jointed head, shoulder rotation, shoulder swivel, elbow bend, hip swivel, hip rotation, ankle tilts
- Cyber Commander Bumblebee - Ball jointed head, shoulder rotation, shoulder swivel, elbow bend, elbow rotation, hip swivel, hip rotation
- Megatron - Head rotation, shoulder rotation, shoulder swivel, elbow bend, hip swivel, hip rotation, knees, ankle tilts
- Grimlock - Head rotation (though very limited due to "collar" like piece around head), shoulder rotation, shoulder swivel, elbow bend, hip swivel, hip rotation, knees
- Optimus Prime - Shoulder rotation, elbow bend, elbow rotation, hip swivel, hip rotation
- Bumblebee - Ball jointed head, shoulder rotation, shoulder swivel, elbow bend, hip swivel, hip rotation
- Starscream - Head rotation, shoulder rotation, shoulder swivel, elbow bend, hip swivel, hip rotation
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Posted by dragons on August 2nd, 2015 @ 6:57pm CDT
thanks for sharing information well known
Posted by ScottyP on August 2nd, 2015 @ 7:14pm CDT
Posted by william-james88 on August 2nd, 2015 @ 7:16pm CDT
dragons wrote:size i did not know, but articulation i could what they have by looking pictures where joints are in robot mode and vehicale mode what articualtion was on these bots
thanks for sharing information well known
Is this a "diss"? As always, I cant understand whatever you write.
Posted by ScottyP on August 2nd, 2015 @ 7:20pm CDT
Ain't no thing, I'm sure they just didn't realize Sabr had asked about it a couple days ago, which is why it was providedwilliam-james88 wrote:dragons wrote:size i did not know, but articulation i could what they have by looking pictures where joints are in robot mode and vehicale mode what articualtion was on these bots
thanks for sharing information well known
Is this a "diss"? As always, I cant understand whatever you write.
Posted by Fires_Of_Inferno on August 2nd, 2015 @ 7:28pm CDT
Posted by Dagon on August 2nd, 2015 @ 8:14pm CDT
Posted by Shockwave7 on August 2nd, 2015 @ 8:58pm CDT
Going through some of my old boxes, I saw I had kept the original boxes/packaging for the G1 combaticons and Rumble/Frenzy. Just look at them prices... Those were 80s Deluxes and Voyager. Sure they're bigger now, but I don't know if it merits doubling the prices...
Posted by william-james88 on August 2nd, 2015 @ 9:11pm CDT
Shockwave7 wrote:As throwback-ish as the Cyber Series looks to be, I thought I'd post this photo.
Going through some of my old boxes, I saw I had kept the original boxes/packaging for the G1 combaticons and Rumble/Frenzy. Just look at them prices... Those were 80s Deluxes and Voyager. Sure they're bigger now, but I don't know if it merits doubling the prices...
If you are talking prices have you considered inflation and comparison to the increase in other toy lines? I remeber the marvel legends line being 10$ when it started. It doubled in only 10-15 years time. That is a much faster acceleration than the TF price increase.
Actually, f&%k it: Here's an inflation calculator, the increase in toy prices is a myth:
http://www.usinflationcalculator.com/
TFs havent increased in significant value in 30 years and have gotten bigger. We have only gained in terms of what money can let us buy in terms of TFs.
What you are really asking is: would you be ok going back to paying these prices and having your salary reduced by half? That is the only logical way to approach your line of thinking.
Posted by Shockwave7 on August 2nd, 2015 @ 9:58pm CDT
Posted by Desslok2201 on August 2nd, 2015 @ 10:02pm CDT
william-james88 wrote:Shockwave7 wrote:As throwback-ish as the Cyber Series looks to be, I thought I'd post this photo.
Going through some of my old boxes, I saw I had kept the original boxes/packaging for the G1 combaticons and Rumble/Frenzy. Just look at them prices... Those were 80s Deluxes and Voyager. Sure they're bigger now, but I don't know if it merits doubling the prices...
If you are talking prices have you considered inflation and comparison to the increase in other toy lines? I remeber the marvel legends line being 10$ when it started. It doubled in only 10-15 years time. That is a much faster acceleration than the TF price increase.
Actually, f&%k it: Here's an inflation calculator, the increase in toy prices is a myth:
http://www.usinflationcalculator.com/
TFs havent increased in significant value in 30 years and have gotten bigger. We have only gained in terms of what money can let us buy in terms of TFs.
What you are really asking is: would you be ok going back to paying these prices and having your salary reduced by half? That is the only logical way to approach your line of thinking.
Well, first of all, salaries are not back to where they were pre 2008, and I don't know about you, but when those cards were on the racks, I was 14, with a paper route and mowing lawns... And zero overhead. None. No kids..no mortgage..no car payments.. Jesus, I'm tearing up....
Posted by william-james88 on August 2nd, 2015 @ 10:17pm CDT
Desslok2201 wrote:Well, first of all, salaries are not back to where they were pre 2008, and I don't know about you, but when those cards were on the racks, I was 14, with a paper route and mowing lawns... And zero overhead. None. No kids..no mortgage..no car payments.. Jesus, I'm tearing up....
You have to be fair in your comparisons, guys. If you are comparing your pay when you were a kid buying TFs, you should compare it to someone who is that old today buying tfs. To make it easy, I assumed it as parents buying TFs for their kids then and parents buying it for their kids now. Do you make as much, less or more now than your parents made back then? That is the only fair way to compare when dealing with inflation.
How much was a trio at mcdonalds back in the 80s? How much is it now?
Posted by RAR on August 3rd, 2015 @ 1:27am CDT
The current prices of Deluxes up to $16.99 seems like a price further away from an easily scroungable amount.
I do personally think it was a mistake for things like 1-Steps to be sold over $10.00 that is an important psychological price limit.
It might be argued the "Toy car" size of a legion being over $5.00 has also passed a psychological price limit too.
I like Cyberseries and I appreciate the size but the only one I get less of a sense of 'Owch' at the price is Optimus.
But I guess we need to wait and see as regards the eventual US Retail Prices (if they ever show up).
I do worry they are a bit like all that South American Max Steel & Action Man - something just for South America... heck they might even be cheaper if they were out in some more places in Asia too though.
The import pricing on them would encourage me to be selective - I do like them more than the RID 3 step changers though.
They are an amusing curiosity if nothing else.
Posted by Valandar on August 3rd, 2015 @ 8:38am CDT
Posted by Optimizzy on August 3rd, 2015 @ 9:29am CDT
Posted by Optimizzy on August 3rd, 2015 @ 9:32am CDT
william-james88 wrote:Desslok2201 wrote:Well, first of all, salaries are not back to where they were pre 2008, and I don't know about you, but when those cards were on the racks, I was 14, with a paper route and mowing lawns... And zero overhead. None. No kids..no mortgage..no car payments.. Jesus, I'm tearing up....
You have to be fair in your comparisons, guys. If you are comparing your pay when you were a kid buying TFs, you should compare it to someone who is that old today buying tfs. To make it easy, I assumed it as parents buying TFs for their kids then and parents buying it for their kids now. Do you make as much, less or more now than your parents made back then? That is the only fair way to compare when dealing with inflation.
How much was a trio at mcdonalds back in the 80s? How much is it now?
I agree that inflation-wise, items are actually pretty good. What is bad is how much we get paid. Its not really worse but we seem to get paid a little under what we should to adjust for inflation. At least where I live. And location matters. $20 is a lot different to someone making $100 a week than it is for someone making $200 a week. Standard of living doesn't affect toy MSRP.
Posted by ScottyP on August 3rd, 2015 @ 11:10am CDT
I agree with this. Weird to me that the new Mini-cons are $5 at retail when the legions run $6 (Walmart) or $9 (everywhere else). That $9 price point is where the one-steps probably should fall.RAR wrote:I do personally think it was a mistake for things like 1-Steps to be sold over $10.00 that is an important psychological price limit.
It might be argued the "Toy car" size of a legion being over $5.00 has also passed a psychological price limit too.
Posted by Optimizzy on August 3rd, 2015 @ 12:06pm CDT
Posted by william-james88 on August 3rd, 2015 @ 12:12pm CDT
Optimizzy wrote:Are these sold out at BBTS? I can't even find the listing.
The listing dissapeared a week or so ago, continuing the mystery.
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on August 3rd, 2015 @ 1:07pm CDT
Other than that: These continue to look good. I do like em. The smaller Bee and the actual Full truck and trailer mode Optimus look better. That megs is nice too!
Posted by Optimizzy on August 3rd, 2015 @ 1:34pm CDT
Posted by Marcdachamp on August 3rd, 2015 @ 3:32pm CDT
Posted by chuckdawg1999 on August 4th, 2015 @ 7:14pm CDT
Shockwave7 wrote:As throwback-ish as the Cyber Series looks to be, I thought I'd post this photo.
Going through some of my old boxes, I saw I had kept the original boxes/packaging for the G1 combaticons and Rumble/Frenzy. Just look at them prices... Those were 80s Deluxes and Voyager. Sure they're bigger now, but I don't know if it merits doubling the prices...
I legit had a chuckle looking at how TRU priced theirs a dollar more than everyone else. Somethings never change
Posted by Autobot032 on August 12th, 2015 @ 10:47pm CDT
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Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on August 12th, 2015 @ 10:58pm CDT
Posted by Hellscream9999 on August 12th, 2015 @ 11:33pm CDT
Posted by Autobot032 on August 13th, 2015 @ 12:24am CDT
Hellscream9999 wrote:So... no news credit for me then I'm hurt
Actually, Madeus Prime beat you to it. By several hours. I now have to amend the post and the news on the front page.
Thank you for your submission, though. I'm sorry no one said thank you sooner, because we do appreciate it.
Posted by Hellscream9999 on August 13th, 2015 @ 12:48am CDT
Autobot032 wrote:Hellscream9999 wrote:So... no news credit for me then I'm hurt
Actually, Madeus Prime beat you to it. By several hours. I now have to amend the post and the news on the front page.
Thank you for your submission, though. I'm sorry no one said thank you sooner, because we do appreciate it.
It's no problem, to be honest, clarification is all I wanted; I'm not really competing or anything.
Posted by Autobot032 on August 13th, 2015 @ 12:56am CDT
Hellscream9999 wrote:Autobot032 wrote:Hellscream9999 wrote:So... no news credit for me then I'm hurt
Actually, Madeus Prime beat you to it. By several hours. I now have to amend the post and the news on the front page.
Thank you for your submission, though. I'm sorry no one said thank you sooner, because we do appreciate it.
It's no problem, to be honest, clarification is all I wanted; I'm not really competing or anything.
Oh no. I get it, I completely understand. I'd be a bit PO'ed myself. But please keep sending in submissions, if it's something we can use, we'll do it.
Posted by Hellscream9999 on August 13th, 2015 @ 12:58am CDT
Autobot032 wrote:Hellscream9999 wrote:Autobot032 wrote:Hellscream9999 wrote:So... no news credit for me then I'm hurt
Actually, Madeus Prime beat you to it. By several hours. I now have to amend the post and the news on the front page.
Thank you for your submission, though. I'm sorry no one said thank you sooner, because we do appreciate it.
It's no problem, to be honest, clarification is all I wanted; I'm not really competing or anything.
Oh no. I get it, I completely understand. I'd be a bit PO'ed myself. But please keep sending in submissions, if it's something we can use, we'll do it.
Of course
Posted by LE0KING on August 13th, 2015 @ 8:26pm CDT
Posted by william-james88 on August 14th, 2015 @ 8:06am CDT
LE0KING wrote:so is there anyway to get these guys?
Only Bumblebee is still in stock
http://www.robotkingdom.com/catalogsearch/result/?q=cyber+battalion
Posted by chuckdawg1999 on August 14th, 2015 @ 8:11pm CDT
Posted by william-james88 on August 14th, 2015 @ 8:22pm CDT
chuckdawg1999 wrote:Anybody in the mood for some Starscream? This figure is really good, what strikes me the most is if you look at the legs there's detailing molded in that screams (pardon the pun) knees were on the table at some point.
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on August 14th, 2015 @ 8:34pm CDT
Posted by william-james88 on August 14th, 2015 @ 8:44pm CDT
Enjoy the Megatron review from Baltmatrix which Hellscream999 sent our way!
Posted by -Kanrabat- on August 14th, 2015 @ 8:48pm CDT
Posted by chuckdawg1999 on August 14th, 2015 @ 8:50pm CDT
william-james88 wrote:Well in such a short span, reviews have surfaced for the elusive Transformers Generations Cyber Series Line. We had Grimlock and Starscream reviewed and now we have Megatron. We still do not know if these will be available in north america or even available through BBTS since the listings have been pulled. So far, all that is left available to be ordered for anyone living outside Brazil is Bumblebee.
Enjoy the Megatron review from Baltmatrix which Hellscream999 sent our way!
I'm really kicking myself that I didn't jump on the entire line when BBTS had them. Don't know if/when I'll see the rest if ever.
Posted by Hellscream9999 on August 14th, 2015 @ 8:51pm CDT
-Kanrabat- wrote:Will Hasbro finally give RID a bit of a rest and bring these guys over already?
They don't need to give RID a rest... I still need my deluxe thunderhoof
They just need to stop kidding themselves that the stupid brick sh$t is an acceptable alternative to these, scrap that line and use the residual budget from that line to give all these figures appropriate articulation and paint apps
Posted by Hellscream9999 on August 14th, 2015 @ 8:53pm CDT
D-Maximus_Prime wrote:Wow, that is a good looking Starscream. these guys are really sweet!
It's just a shame it doesn't have knee's, that sinks this to the level of a pointless joke in my books
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on August 14th, 2015 @ 9:27pm CDT
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on August 14th, 2015 @ 9:28pm CDT
Hellscream9999 wrote:D-Maximus_Prime wrote:Wow, that is a good looking Starscream. these guys are really sweet!
It's just a shame it doesn't have knee's, that sinks this to the level of a pointless joke in my books
Eh, I'm not very bothered. all of my figures are either standing straight up or in vehicle mode most of the time, and I can live with no knees when playing with them
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on August 14th, 2015 @ 9:29pm CDT
Hellscream9999 wrote:-Kanrabat- wrote:Will Hasbro finally give RID a bit of a rest and bring these guys over already?
They don't need to give RID a rest... I still need my deluxe thunderhoof
They just need to stop kidding themselves that the stupid brick sh$t is an acceptable alternative to these, scrap that line and use the residual budget from that line to give all these figures appropriate articulation and paint apps
I am inclined to agree. I like these guys so much more than the 1 and 3 step stuff. And the Warrior numbers need to be bigger
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on August 14th, 2015 @ 9:30pm CDT
chuckdawg1999 wrote:
I'm really kicking myself that I didn't jump on the entire line when BBTS had them. Don't know if/when I'll see the rest if ever.
I would be too. All the reviews I've seen seem to indicate positive reaction for those not obsessed with posability
Posted by Hellscream9999 on August 14th, 2015 @ 9:32pm CDT
D-Maximus_Prime wrote:Hellscream9999 wrote:D-Maximus_Prime wrote:Wow, that is a good looking Starscream. these guys are really sweet!
It's just a shame it doesn't have knee's, that sinks this to the level of a pointless joke in my books
Eh, I'm not very bothered. all of my figures are either standing straight up or in vehicle mode most of the time, and I can live with no knees when playing with them
Well, I'm happy for you, I cannot fairly say that, since they don't have knee's, they don't deserve to exist - because I know many collectors don't pose their figures. So I guess this works out really well for you
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on August 14th, 2015 @ 9:34pm CDT
Hellscream9999 wrote:D-Maximus_Prime wrote:Hellscream9999 wrote:D-Maximus_Prime wrote:Wow, that is a good looking Starscream. these guys are really sweet!
It's just a shame it doesn't have knee's, that sinks this to the level of a pointless joke in my books
Eh, I'm not very bothered. all of my figures are either standing straight up or in vehicle mode most of the time, and I can live with no knees when playing with them
Well, I'm happy for you, I cannot fairly say that, since they don't have knee's, they don't deserve to exist - because I know many collectors don't pose their figures. So I guess this works out really well for you
for me, yes. but considering I will never be able to get these guys most likely, it is a moot point
Posted by Hellscream9999 on August 14th, 2015 @ 9:43pm CDT
D-Maximus_Prime wrote:Hellscream9999 wrote:D-Maximus_Prime wrote:Hellscream9999 wrote:D-Maximus_Prime wrote:Wow, that is a good looking Starscream. these guys are really sweet!
It's just a shame it doesn't have knee's, that sinks this to the level of a pointless joke in my books
Eh, I'm not very bothered. all of my figures are either standing straight up or in vehicle mode most of the time, and I can live with no knees when playing with them
Well, I'm happy for you, I cannot fairly say that, since they don't have knee's, they don't deserve to exist - because I know many collectors don't pose their figures. So I guess this works out really well for you
for me, yes. but considering I will never be able to get these guys most likely, it is a moot point
Yeah, well there is that
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on August 14th, 2015 @ 9:45pm CDT
Hellscream9999 wrote:D-Maximus_Prime wrote:Hellscream9999 wrote:D-Maximus_Prime wrote:Hellscream9999 wrote:D-Maximus_Prime wrote:Wow, that is a good looking Starscream. these guys are really sweet!
It's just a shame it doesn't have knee's, that sinks this to the level of a pointless joke in my books
Eh, I'm not very bothered. all of my figures are either standing straight up or in vehicle mode most of the time, and I can live with no knees when playing with them
Well, I'm happy for you, I cannot fairly say that, since they don't have knee's, they don't deserve to exist - because I know many collectors don't pose their figures. So I guess this works out really well for you
for me, yes. but considering I will never be able to get these guys most likely, it is a moot point
Yeah, well there is that
yeeeaaaaahhhhhh.........
Posted by chuckdawg1999 on August 14th, 2015 @ 9:48pm CDT
D-Maximus_Prime wrote:Hellscream9999 wrote:D-Maximus_Prime wrote:Hellscream9999 wrote:D-Maximus_Prime wrote:Hellscream9999 wrote:D-Maximus_Prime wrote:Wow, that is a good looking Starscream. these guys are really sweet!
It's just a shame it doesn't have knee's, that sinks this to the level of a pointless joke in my books
Eh, I'm not very bothered. all of my figures are either standing straight up or in vehicle mode most of the time, and I can live with no knees when playing with them
Well, I'm happy for you, I cannot fairly say that, since they don't have knee's, they don't deserve to exist - because I know many collectors don't pose their figures. So I guess this works out really well for you
for me, yes. but considering I will never be able to get these guys most likely, it is a moot point
Yeah, well there is that
yeeeaaaaahhhhhh.........
I don't want to get people's hopes up but, I have a feeling that closer to Christmas these will magically appear on shelves. These figures would make a GREAT Christmas present.
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on August 14th, 2015 @ 9:49pm CDT