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Friday, November 5th, 2010 12:12AM CDT

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After partaking in the Hasbro Q&A program for the past two years, we decided to try something a little different. As some of you know, the restrictions imposed upon the websites can make for some lame questions being sent and for lame answers to be received. This time around, Seibertron.com answers each and every one of the questions that our fellow Seibertronians asked. We did our best to answer the questions as truthfully and straightforward as possible. Please understand when reading the following answers that these were provided by Seibertron.com, and not by Hasbro or any entity associated with Hasbro. The answers were not approved by Hasbro either. The answers are simply from Seibertron.com as we do our best to answer your questions.

It is our hope, that by taking the time to answer the questions you intended to be answered by Hasbro (of which we could only submit two), that many of the more casual fans who visit this site (which far outnumber the die-hard fans) will be able to sit back for the next few minutes and enjoy our attempt at answering your questions to the best of our ability. I'm sure that there are many answers below to which the more casual fans did not know the answer.

All of the answers were provided to the best of our ability. Some of the questions required the use of a magic 8 ball. Some of you might know more than us. Some of you might know better answers; if you do, let us know so that we can be informed as well. By all means, please feel free to discuss the questions and answers on our forums.

Without further ado, here is our attempt at answering the questions you sent us to send to Hasbro. Enjoy!


Leviathan wrote:Hey Hasbro just wondering if the Cycle Sisters (Arcee, Chromia, and Elita-1) do combine and if they do, are you going to post the way to combine them?


nemesis primus wrote:Considering that at Toyfair 2010 your representative announced that arcee combination instructions will be online, with elita-1's recent release when can we expect to see these instructions?


It appears Hasbro dropped the official transformation because it was either too complex or was never really planned out from the get-go with the toys we ended up with at retail. If you check out YouTube, there are several fans who've attempted to come up with some very creative ways to combine these 3 figures. Here are a few examples for you to view:





If there is an official transformation, we may never know. Hasbro has yet to reveal an official transformation despite being asked by fans many times.

Leviathan wrote:Another question is What is it that you plan on doing with transformers as a toyline after the third movie and TF: Prime?


Hasbro has yet to reveal what their plans are for 2012. Hasbro generally only lets us in on what they're through the next 6 to 12 months out.

The Transformers 3: Dark of the Moon toys will most likely start showing up on store shelves in late May about five or six weeks prior to the release of DOTM on July 1st, 2011. Hasbro's Toy Fair 2011 event is most likely on February 12th, the Saturday prior to the official Toy Fair. At this Toy Fair event, Hasbro will most likely reveal their DOTM toy line. It is possible that some of the toys from DOTM might start leaking as early as December 2010 as we've seen in the months leading up to the release of the previous Transformers films.

Is has been stated in several places that we will definitely get a Transformers: Prime toyline. I'd expect to see them on the shelves by the fall of 2011 if not sooner. If I can find some sources stating this again, I'll post them.


GEEWUN wrote:Dear Hasbro,

Will we be seeing any new (unannounced) War for Cybertron Figures in the near future?


Cliffjumper will be released in the next month. After that, it is unknown what their plans are. I've heard rumors of a WFC Starscream toy. I hope they can release this prior to DOTM so that we can get Thundercracker and Skywarp as well. If a Starscream toy is not released by the time DOTM toys hit the shelves, I wouldn't count on one until the next iteration of the Classics Universe is released ("Classics 4.0" if you will). If we don't see one by then, I wouldn't count on ever getting one.


nemesis primus wrote:Would you ever consider creating autobot/decepticon drones based on the create-a-character in war for cybertron that will allow two alt modes?


It would be awesome to have these drones made, but I'm sure these would be way down the list long after well known established characters like Jetfire, Starscream, Jazz, and Shockwave ever get toys of their own. As for the Decepticon drones in the upcoming Transformers: Prime cartoon series, that could be a possibility depending on how large the toy line is fleshed out.

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dkreed7 wrote:Are we getting war for cybertron starscream any time soon?
And are the any plans to make more war for cybertron figures?


nemesis primus wrote:Are there any plans to create figures of war for cybertron omega supreme and trypticon?


Hasbro doesn't seem to like the big guys any more. Not sure how Star Wars keeps getting $150 Millennium Falcons and $100 AT-AT and GiJoe keeps getting large playsets, yet they don't think that a $100 or $150 Omega Supreme or Trypticon would sell. Hasbro has stated in the past that large Transformers playsets don't sell or something along those lines. Considering that there hasn't been a Hasbro released Transformers "playset" since 1987 (or 1990 if you want to count the Micromaster bases), I've never been sure where this statement comes from unless it comes from their market-researchers research (best guess?).

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Tristar wrote:Are Liege Maximo and The Fallen the same being? If not How did Liege Maximo become corrupt? Why did, if Alpha Trion is one the orignal 13, he Attack Nexus Prime(maximus) In the Transtech Universe? Will any of my questions be answered in fiction in the forseeable future IE in the next year?


The Liege Maximo and The Fallen are two separate characters. In the Transformers: Exodus novel, Megatron references Liege Maximo and his "treacherous" brother The Fallen.

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As for the evil Alpha Trion, he is derived from the Shattered Glass alternate universe where the Autobots are evil and the Decepticons are good. It is unknown where the Shattered Glass universe splintered from the mainstream Transformers realities.

Hasbro revealed at BotCon 2010 that they're working on the very details about the "original 13". The artwork they showed for some of those characters at BotCon 2010 was stunning. Hopefully more will be revealed at BotCon 2011. If I recall correctly, Hasbro stated that this part of the mythology will be explored further in 2013.

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earltheyeti wrote:I've noticed that the Classics and Generations lines (the nastalgia ones that follow the Generation 1 styling) have stayed confined to the smaller scales (i.e. deluxe and voyager class.) Why is this? Are there plans to produce some figures in the Ultra or Leader class size?
(I, for one, would really go for a G1 style leader class Optimus Prime or voyager class Starscream.)


Kingpun wrote:Would carrying over a Leader class toy from a previous toyline allow for more new Leader class characters to be produced for a new toyline? Like how certain deluxe and voyage characters from Transformers '07 found their way into the Revenge of the Fallen toyline. Or is the marketability and demand for characters in the Leader size scale still too small to allow for one subline alone to carry what would be around 3 or 4 new unique Leader molds, in addition to 2 or 3 reused molds? Allowing for around 6 or 7 unique characters in one line?


Regarding a "Generations" Leader class toy, I think without a cartoon to appeal to the kiddies, it most likely comes down to profits. The deluxe class is the best selling size class of Transformers toys. I'm not sure where the other size classes rank, but I'm sure profitability is a factor as well. I imagine the profit margin is greater on a deluxe class figure versus a leader class figure. Without the cartoon pushing the larger products, I think they'd have a harder time selling the Leader class figures in the Classics line once the fans bought them up.

This is mostly pure speculation on my behalf. I welcome all of you to share your thoughts and feel free to debate this with your fellow Seibertronians.

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Bumblevivisector wrote:I have a few related questions about the just-released Generations Darkmount figure. Specifically the fact that his being a Decepticon who'd only appeared in Marvel's Transformers comics meant they had the rights to his proper name of Straxus, and therefore Hasbro couldn't use it. I'd like to know if this will hamper any future efforts to do figures of toyless TF characters created for Marvel continuity, or if some deal has been worked out since then. I'm no legal expert, but considering Hasbro also currently produces Marvel Comics figures, and even a Marvel/Transformers Crossover line, this issue being a stumbling block sounds extremely silly to me.

But if it will continue to be an issue, will it make producing characters from the Marvel U.S. books (ex: Scrounge, Wipe-Out) tougher than ones from the Marvel U.K. series (ex: Impactor, Flame, Macabre)? And will Disney's recent buyout of Marvel Comics add further complications? (I know we'll never see a Transformer actually called Darkwing again)

You released a K.B. Toys exclusive figure called Jhiaxus last decade, despite that being a character created for the Marvel Transformers: Generation 2 series. Was that not a rights issue because the toy was just a random repaint and not a stab at an actual likeness of the character, or did Marvel just happen to not bother copyrighting that particular name?


Hasbro stated something about his name not being able to be used at BotCon 2010. I thought they said something about "Straxus" being the name for another product or company but I can't find anything on Google to back up what I remember. After doing a few other searches, I came up with Straxis.com which is the name of a website development company in Oklahoma. Could this be why Darkmount wasn't called Straxus in the US (similar to Outback being called Fallback due to Outback Steakhouse and Hasbro siding with extreme caution).

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My understanding is that Hasbro can make any Transformer based off the Transformers robot characters that appeared in Marvel Comics. Unless Marvel started their own transforming robots comic line, I can't foresee them ever having a use for Spanner, Straxus, Impactor, Emirate Xaaron and other Marvel created Transformers robot characters. However, they cannot use the human characters that Marvel created such as Circuit Breaker, G.B. Blackrock, and Death's Head. Though I wonder about Buster Witwicky.

Fellow Seibertronian staff member Dead Metal had this comment to add to our answer:

Dead Metal wrote:Straxus was called Darkmount due to the Straxus toy Trademark being already taken. Marvel does not own the name or the character, that is part of the deal between Hasbro and the companies that provide fiction. All characters that are created for and first show up in Transformers movies, comics, books and cartoons are the property of Hasbro, and that includes their name and likeness. The only way Marvel could claim ownership to Straxus is if he showed up in a non-Transformers comic before his first TF fiction appearance. Jhiaxus was a Marvel comic Transformer and he's still part of TF fiction and even has a toy. Somewhere out there is a toy with the name Straxus making it impossible for Hasbro to use the name for their own products.


For those of you who don't know, Circuit Breaker (as Circuit Breaker, not Josie Beller) and Death's Head both appeared (albeit extremely briefly) in other Marvel comic books prior to their debut in Transformers comics which is how Marvel retains the rights to those characters.

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I am not a lawyer and I do not claim to have legal expertise in the field of copyrights and trademarks. If someone who has more familiarity with situations such as this or can point out examples from other similar situations, please feel free to add your thoughts and comments to this thread to share your knowledge with us.

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adamassc wrote:Is hftd Sunspot's coloration a homage or an original design?


To the best of my knowledge, it is an original design. Whether fans like it or not is still up for debate.


adamassc wrote:Can we expect the Powercore Combiner line's five packs to continue being based on previous combiner teams?


My magic 8 ball says "Concentrate and ask again". Joking aside, I'm sure Hasbro will continue to look at past themes used amongst combiners during the brand's 26 year history to see how those themes could be worked into the current Power Core Combiners brand. I'm also sure they'll take a lot of creative liberties that are best suited to this line. "Concentrate and ask again" indeed.

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adamassc wrote:Where do the powercore combiners fit in storywise? Are they movieverse, Generations, or a standalone continuity?


This is a damn good question! Magic 8 ball -- what do you think? "Signs point to yes". ;)

Hasbro answered this question for ASMzine.com recently: "While the Power Core Combiners have been seen in the movie-verse continuity, established in a Cyber Mission web episode, they basically exist on their own. For reference, the episode is currently available on http://www.transformers.com and http://www.hubworld.com. The concept of Power Core Combiners can also translate to other continuities similar to Mini-Cons."


EdgeAsus wrote:What other Human Alliance toys are going to be coming out other then the Black Sideswipe? Also How many more Generation ones are going to be coming out other then the obvious?


I'm pretty sure the black Sideswipe is the last in the Human Alliance line for the time being. I wouldn't be surprised to see the concept revisited with the Dark of the Moon line next summer, but nothing has been announced officially yet pertaining to this. Stay tuned!

Depends on your definition of the obvious. We've seen images of the figures through an early spring release. What we haven't seen yet is what's going to come out March through May -- if anything at all. Perhaps Hasbro has a few more tricks up their sleeves before Dark of the Moon hits store shelves in late spring / early summer 2011.

noodles2go wrote:Are you going to continue with the Power Core Combiners line?


Have we seen anything past the end of this year? I think all of the new PCC toys that we are aware of are scheduled to be released by January 2011. I'm not sure if this is a good sign or a bad sign for the Power Core Combiners line.

After doing a little bit of homework on Google, I found that Hasbro recently answered this question for ActionFigurePics.com: "Currently the plan is to continue the Power-Core Combiners line up until the release of the Movie 3 line with new teams and figures."

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noodles2go wrote:Is the quality control in the Power Core Combiner figures going to be better? Many people have complained of loose ball joints, too tight or too loose power link joints, as well as drones not properly automorphing as they should. I have experience this on many occasions myself, and have had to return a couple items due to this.


Quaternion wrote:Hasbro,
How do you plan to improve quality control?

For example, I've returned MP Grimlock twice now for different QC issues and others have QC issues with this $70 figure as well: /energonpub/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=68503. If I pay $70, I expect acceptable quality.


Cheetron wrote:Across every line of Transformers product we've seen a multitude of Quailty control failures. From paint aps, to poor designs, to the wrong parts in the wrong position and even your products have broken due to the very thin plastic they're made of. My question is: Are you planning to improve on this and make you toys better?


It's early for me and my mind is foggy. If anyone want to improve on this, please make it sound better. lol.


I'll answer this with Hasbro's own quote from October 2008.

"Yes we are aware that there has been a rise in collector complaints about certain Transformers products. We can assure you that all products are quality tested to strict controls and it is something that Hasbro prides itself on. Given the huge increase in volume we have experienced in the Transformers range the likelihood of certain products sometimes not meeting consumer expectations slightly increases, however we always try to service our customers needs when a problem arises."

Anyone else care to share their thoughts on quality control issues? What have your experiences been with Transformers quality control?

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backpack wrote:Are there any plans to release drone packs for PCC so that we can mix/match create our own teams?


I would safely say the answer to this is "no".


joeformer wrote:Ive asked this a million times with no luck but id like to try again lol. With the addition of the new little mini human figures that come with the screen battles. any chance of making some in scale figures for the generations and movie line with articulation?


backpack wrote:Generations Human Alliance? Yes/No/Maybe So?


I would safely say the answer to this is "no" as well, however, I'm pretty sure this question was asked at BotCon 2010 and we were given the typical "no plans at this time, but is something to consider" answer. I can't seem to find this via Google though. Can anyone else find this quote online?

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It Is Him wrote:Re: Generation Red Alert's deco. Why did Hasbro choose toy colors over TV show colors?


Most likely simply to make their product slightly different than Takara Tomy's product. In this case, Takara Tomy's product for the Asian market resembled Red Alert's cartoon colors whereas Hasbro's version resembled the original toy from 1985. I think this was especially important for Hasbro to do since Takara Tomy's version of this toy preceded the Hasbro version by over a year. Many die-hard fans already purchased the Japanese version so by making the Hasbro product different, it gives fans a reason to purchase the new version even if they already own the original version.

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Rated X wrote:My question is a follow up to a question asked at the Botcon 2010 Hasbro pannel. The question asked at Botcon was "Why cant the USA get the repaints or redeco's that Takara makes in Japan ?" Hasbro answered the question by stating "The USA has its market and Japan has its market and the two were not meant to combine." A good example in reference to this question is Henkei Classics Deluxe Thundercracker not getting a USA version like his 2 counterparts.

My question is:

Who decides what the "USA market" or "Japan market" should be and what is the process for doing it ???

Sombody ultimitly has to make decisions. Tell us who and how these decisions are made.


This is an interesting question. The first comment I want to make pertains to Thundercracker. I'm almost certain we'll get him at some point. It should just be a matter of time. And patience.

I'm sure a lot of decisions about what products should carry over from country to country depend upon a core group of people at each company. I'm sure profitability plays a large factor in this as well as how to capitalize on each unique market. Profitability isn't a bad word folks. You want these companies to make money. The more money they make, the more Transformers we'll get. And the better Transformers designs we can get because more money can be dumped into research and development.

I also think some of it has to do with when a certain product can be brought to the market. What might be a good time for a product to be released in Japan might not be a good time for a product to be released in the US. I'm sure both companies are very wise to fans such as us using the Internet to import toys from other countries. Why release the identical figure in both countries when you can delay the release and come up with an alternate (or better) paint scheme on the latter release to capitalize on profits? The Red Alert toy mentioned above is a great example of this.

When one thinks of this less from a fan or collector's perspective and more from a business perspective, these types of decisions start to make more sense. Making more sense doesn't necessarily parallel making fans happy so take this for what you will.

Anyone else care to share their thoughts on Rated X's question(s)?


Gandalf wrote:At BotCon this year, someone on the Hasbro panel stated that you were unable to get Generations Thunderwing's "drone" to transform. Why couldn't it have been a Minicon/Targetmaster like with Universe Cyclonus? Would you consider making this drone into a Scout class figure in the future, under a different name if needed?


I think this all comes down to cost and getting this toy/mold to fit within the confines of the deluxe class price range. The more complex the tooling, the more expensive the toy (or the less profitable a toy depending on how the toy is sold or marketed). I think the upcoming Scourge toy is victim of this as well. Someone at Hasbro or Takara Tomy surely had to say "Hey, why aren't we making Fracas to go with this?" I will be the first to point out that my argument here can quickly be flawed simply by pointing out that Nightstick got made with Cyclonus. Maybe this has to do with the changing markets, or the cost of plastic or not enough time to design Thunderwing's drone and Scourge's partner Fracas.

From my personal opinion, I think Thunderwing having a drone would've been confusing in today's market and for many fans unfamiliar with the Pretender concept. It is my belief that the Thunderwing toy, as are any Pretenders homages going forward, are an amalgamation of the Pretender shell and inner robot since the Pretender concept isn't being used.

I wouldn't count on Thunderwing's drone ever being released separately. No need for this.

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omega666 wrote:I see custom Transformer figures that improve on the original figures. Does Hasbro ever see these custom figures and try to use the ideas to make newer figures better? (I don't have a specific example)


This would be interesting to know, but I would think legal issues would prevent Hasbro's ability to disclose this answer in a straightforward answer.

What do you think Magic 8 ball?





emeraldbeacon wrote:Many recently-released figures seem to be, either clearly or obscurely, homages to others released in the past. In general, what is your approach towards creating figure assortments, in terms of new and unique designs versus homages to older figures or ideas?

Some recent toys have clear, yet undocumented, interaction capabilities (such as Skystalker/Mindwipe, Seaspray/Breacher, and Lockdown/Ratchet). Are there any other such pairings, either on the market now or coming soon, that the fandom has yet to 'discover'?


These are actually a great set of questions for which I do not have an answer. Does anyone have some light they could shed on these?


dkreed7 wrote:Are we getting war for cybertron starscream any time soon?
And are the any plans to make more war for cybertron figures?


Galvatrondestroyer wrote:will we see anymore WFC figures in Generations? the two i have and the other two ive seen reviews on are really great figures

Please bring on some more!


WFC Cliffjumper, a WFC Bumblebee repaint with a new head, is the last of the WFC figures for the time being. Hasbro hasn't mentioned anything other than (if I recall correctly) a possible WFC Starscream figure but I have a feeling that might have fallen off the radar as they gear up for the Dark of the Moon toyline. It is possible they could be saving other WFC toys for a later date or a possible "Classics 4.0" line after DOTM. Cliffjumper is scheduled to begin appearing in early 2011, which means he should start popping up around the beginning of December at some stores or online retail outlets such as BigBadToyStore.com and tfsource.com.

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autobot-jolt wrote:I've got one that's really different, but I'm just curious to know, where did Hasbro get the idea for RPM's?


Hmm ... I can't imagine this has anything to do with giving Mattel some good old fashioned competition at long last? Kind of makes you wonder, if RPMs / Speed Stars is successful, how long it will take for Mattel to come up with a line of transforming robot toys to compete against Hasbro's Transformers to return the favor.

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-L- wrote:Any Chance we'll be seing more of the Masters concept (i.e. Head Masters Target Masters or Power Masters) especially after seeing the Success of Generations Cyclonus w/ Nightstick?


It doesn't appear that this trend will be happening any time soon. The most obvious choice would've been Scourge with Fracas, but poor Fracas won't be seeing the light of day any time soon -- at least not in an official capacity from Hasbro. This was such an obvious choice that it almost makes us wonder if they're counting on one of the 3rd part companies to make a Fracas figure for us. Guess ol' Nightstick will have to go play with Scraplets all by himself.


Rodimus723 wrote:Are there be any planes to go back to the original combiner concept, but with modern sculpting techniques?


-L- wrote:Also is there going to be any modern application of the G1 Combiner (using 5ish ACTUAL characters instead of 1 character and 4 drones)?


Hasbro answered this question for tformers.com back in May 2010. Here's what they said to them:

"While we understand your passion for the traditional combination figures from G1, Energon, etc., however, the great part about Transformers is that things can change over time. So it is not a question of difficulty or costs, but more about how can a great concept like combination be re-imagined and re-invented.

For example, in creating the new Power Core Combiner line, we wanted to establish a "system" of play that allowed kids the opportunity to not only play with the teams of figures, but also have the ability to create their own teams by collecting more and more figures.

Additionally, we also wanted to expand the story line of Combiners, thus the reason and rationale for drones, mini-cons and certain characters all working together as a team."


The Power Core Combiners concept appears to be it for now. Hopefully one day Hasbro will give us Combiners done right in the style of FansProject Munitioner and Explorer and their incredible Bruticus.

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More recently, Hasbro answered a similar question but pertaining to G1 combiner reissues in lieu of the Seacons/Piranacon reissue. This answer was originally posted on KittysPryde.com: "We do not have any plans to be re-releasing any of the other classic combiners at this time."

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-L- wrote:And Do you think we will be getting a New Fortress Maximus even if it's just the IDW Maximus?


I'm sure Fort Max, and his Decepticon counterpart Scorponok, both have to be on Hasbro's radar to tackle at some point. Hasbro's been working their way through updated versions of our favorite classic 80s Transformers so I'm sure these two have to be in the works or at least an idea on the table.

Would anyone else like to see them use the Energon Scorponok mold but done in his original Headmasters colors as part of the continued "Classics" line?

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StarscreamLeader815 wrote:Do you have any plans to release Transformers Animated Wingblade Optimus? It would fit good under the Generations line.


Hasbro provided answers for this to ActionFigurePics.com and KittysPryde.com.

"Unfortunately, we do not have any plans to release these figures in the near future."

"Unfortunately, we do not have plans to release them at this point in time."

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Optimus5678 wrote:Are they going to reissue generation one favaroties like Hound, blaster, blitzwing, that takara has done? Would they consider reissues based on japanese characters such as Twin Cast Soundblaster Raiden, Minerva, overlord, go shooter, Artfire, Star Saber, Victory Leo cause these would make some awesome addtions to anyone's collection


Questions similar to this have circulated since the reissues began about ten years ago (hard to believe, huh?). It's a good question, one to which we'd all drool at a real answer, but Hasbro and Takara Tomy have kept the lid shut on this answer. For whatever reason, the Japanese exclusive characters don't seem to do real well as reissues (Ricochet, God Ginrai, and Star Convoy come to mind) so it'll probably take a while for some new ones to get reissued from Takara Tomy.

As for Soundblaster and Twincast I don't foresee Hasbro releasing these ever. I think this is one of those instances where Hasbro knows that die-hard collectors of these characters would've already bought the Japanese version so there's little need to release those Japanese exclusive characters here in the states.

As for Blitzwing and Hound, I'm surprised these didn't get released about 4 or 5 years back when the reissues were real popular as well. I can't help but wonder if the small pieces that are included with both of those figures might be considered a choking hazard and possibly don't meet American safety standards. Or maybe they just never got around to them.

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Chupacabra Convoy wrote:1: Will the Classic Three pack that has Rodimus, Cyclonus, and Galvatron ever make it to state side retail stores? Or at the very least, can we see a Generations Armada to go with Cyclonus?

2: Given the popularity of Last Stand of the Wreckers, are any of the "new" characters (Overlord, Ironfist, Impactor, Pyro, Guzzle, and Rotorstorm) are being considered for a toy design? (Not sure if this is against the rules. If it is, I apologize in advance.)

3: Will Thunderwing get repainted as Black Shadow?

4: Can Drift's Toy head be swapped with Blurr's for a Deadshot release?

5: Is the Generations Scourge's alternate head mold Devcon?

6: Do any of the War for Cybertron toys have alternate head molds like the rest of the newer Generations molds?


I'll do my best to answer these but some of these are bordering on the "can't ask about future products" restriction Hasbro has in place on Q&A.

1. The "Challenge at Cybertron" Cyclonus and Rodimus will be coming out in an exclusive two-pack later this year, called "Battle in Space", with a Matrix of Leadership accessory and an exclusive comic book. Galvatron will not be included in this set.

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2. We haven't heard anything yet. Considering the lack of Transformers characters that have made it to the comic scene recently yet haven't been translated to toy form, I think we can safely say that the answer to this question is most likely "no", unfortunately. It sure would be nice to get an updated Overlord though, wouldn't it?

3. Thunderwing repainted as Black Shadow would be truly awesome. I doubt Hasbro would do this, though it is possible. I could certainly see Takara Tomy doing this. At a minimum, I could see this as a future BotCon exclusive since Black Shadow falls within the obscure character realm on which the BotCon folks have been focusing. Time will tell. Let's keep our fingers crossed.

4. While it is possible since they could just repaint the Blurr figure white, I doubt Hasbro would do this simple to avoid confusion about the Drift character.

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5. Scourge with a new head to become Devcon would be interesting. Not my first pick, but an interesting option nonetheless. I'm hoping for some minor repaints as Sweeps ala Jetstorm and his drones in Beast Machines.

6. Just Bumblebee and Cliffjumper. See one of the above answers for an image of Cliffjumper if you haven't seen him yet. He should be on shelves in about two months or less.


Arlekkin wrote:I saw the picture of Skullgrin on Darkmount (Straxus)'s instruction, and so far I wasn't that impressed, and I was wondering if Hasbro had thought about of doing any of the Pretender's shells in figures like the Battle Beasts, reminiscent of Takara's Masterforce animated series?


Hasbro seems to want to stay away from the Pretenders concept, which is evident from them releasing several homages of Pretenders characters as regular Transformers minus Pretender shells. I'd love to see the Pretenders concept revisited with today's toy technologies as well though. Speaking of Pretenders ... where's Alice from ROTF?

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Arlekkin wrote:Another thing which is really annoying me is this. Some characters which in the original series had a cybertronian/futuristic form are getting earth alt modesin Transformers Universe/Generations. Are we gonna see any Cybertronian form in the Generations lines (apart from the War for Cybertron figures)?

Same thing goes for characters like Blaster whose alt forms are tools/appliances. Are we gonna see any transformers in the generations line with such alt forms rather than vehicles?


Hasbro recently answered this question for RavingToyManiac.com: "For the Transformers brand, we are always looking forward to finding new ways to re-imagine our favorite characters. We have not re-released all of the 1980's figures as we believe this would be a stale treatment of our beloved characters. Instead, we look at Transformers as being the most up-to-date technologically advanced sentient beings. Based on this, we feel that they would continually update themselves so that they would remain "Robots in Disguise" versus staying in their 1984 vehicle form and sticking out like a sore thumb!"

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Arlekkin wrote:In an interview I've read that someone from Hasbro would like to see a new Rhinox and a new soundwave.... Are we gonna see any new figure from the Beast Wars series in the Generations line?


Hasbro recently answered this question for us in our most recent Q&A: "We're thrilled that fans chose to honor Dinobot during the first Transformers Hall of Fame induction however there are no plans for Beast Wars figures at this time."

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Arlekkin wrote:Are we going to get any other repaint or retool of the starscream mold? A nice Sunstorm or a revamped Predator Talon wouldn't look bad in my collection. :P


There is at least one more planned release of the Starscream mold which is next year's TCC exclusive G2 Ramjet figure. While Hasbro hasn't announced a Thundercracker figure yet, I can't imagine that they'll leave fans hanging for too much longer. I'd expect a Thundercracker release in the next year or two. I'm sure there are a lot of fans that would also like to see someone make a Sunstorm repaint from this mold as well. Keep your fingers crossed!

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emeraldbeacon wrote:Some recent toys have clear, yet undocumented, interaction capabilities (such as Skystalker/Mindwipe, Seaspray/Breacher, and Lockdown/Ratchet). Are there any other such pairings, either on the market now or coming soon, that the fandom has yet to 'discover'?


This is all that has been discovered so far. Stay tuned to the news at Seibertron.com to see if other special interactions are uncovered!

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Re: Seibertron.com answers Seibertron.com's Q&A (1142931)
Posted by JRFitzpatrick7 on November 5th, 2010 @ 2:31am CDT
Thank You.
Re: Seibertron.com answers Seibertron.com's Q&A (1142943)
Posted by Simonatron on November 5th, 2010 @ 4:47am CDT
Great read, thanks! Glad to see everyone's interest in more War for Cybertron toys. As well as those versions of the Seekers, I'd love to see Ratchet and Ironhide
Re: Seibertron.com answers Seibertron.com's Q&A (1142950)
Posted by Carnivius_Prime on November 5th, 2010 @ 6:20am CDT
Can't say I care about WFC. The game was beyond tedious and the majority of TF designs in it far too ugly. I'm more disappointed about the lack of more Human Alliance figures. I was really hoping for Sideways with Alice and instead we've got two unimaginative redecos (though I would like the new Mikaela figure from the Black Sideswipe). But then I still haven't been able to find Mudflap for a decent price to finish my HA set of six. Maybe when Dark of the Moon is out they'll do more since there's a lot more cars and some more new humans in it.

That pic of 'Darkmount' with G1 Blaster is what puts me off buying it (also cos he doesn't look quite as much like Straxus as I'd like so I would probably try modifying it). When can we get a PROPER new Blaster figure and not that cruddy Cybertron Soundwave repaint? And preferably with the comic Blaster's face.

The bit about Takara's cartoon accuracy is usually what puts me off buying their figures. I don't care about the cartoon. In general the G1 toys of characters looked far better than their overly simplistic animation models. Though again Straxus is supposedly ever so slightly more comic like (someone tells me he's got black 'soulless' eyes like he should).

I'd really love to see what can be done with the Pretender concept these days but seems Hasbro don't. I love the RotF Bludgeon's blend of robot/tank and shell and having it's own extra touches (like the swords and how they can be stored fitting to the theme of the figure). I wish Thunderwing was a voyager. Really disappointed about Skullgrin just being Darkmount with a different head. Skullgrin was one of my favorite Pretender toys because of his monstrous shell and I would have liked to have seen a new version that blends the modes as well as Bludgeon does (whereas Thunderwing is basically only the shell updated which was transformable originally anyways)

I would like to see more interactions between figures like Mindwipe and Skystalker. They go together superbly in both modes and are both quality figures unlike the power core combiners which even when they might have a semi-decent larger robot they all have crap looking mini-cons which end up hurting the combined mode severely. I wouldn't have been surprised if Mindwipe and Skystalker had come out together in a pack but it's nice to buy them seperately if you want one and not the other or just can't afford both at same time.
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Posted by GEEWUN on November 5th, 2010 @ 6:45am CDT
Simonatron wrote:Great read, thanks! Glad to see everyone's interest in more War for Cybertron toys. As well as those versions of the Seekers, I'd love to see Ratchet and Ironhide



I too was most interested in an ironhide/ratchet mold from WFC
Re: Seibertron.com answers Seibertron.com's Q&A (1142958)
Posted by Cheetron on November 5th, 2010 @ 6:57am CDT
Thank you seibertron for doing this. I'm glad to be getting answers to questions. You guys ork your butts off time and time again. I really appreciate it guys. Thanks.

So we'll live in the land of careful purchases and new return policies for a long time. That sucks. Good thing I can't afford anythign anymore. lol.

The only other question i have that I didn't see or can remember when I asked it or where I asked it - Didn't hasbro say that the WFC cliffjumper was supposed to come with a new head sculpt and a new gun? I could just be going nuts. lol.
Re: Seibertron.com answers Seibertron.com's Q&A (1143000)
Posted by JRFitzpatrick7 on November 5th, 2010 @ 9:22am CDT
Cheetron wrote:Thank you seibertron for doing this. I'm glad to be getting answers to questions. You guys ork your butts off time and time again. I really appreciate it guys. Thanks.

So we'll live in the land of careful purchases and new return policies for a long time. That sucks. Good thing I can't afford anythign anymore. lol.

The only other question i have that I didn't see or can remember when I asked it or where I asked it - Didn't hasbro say that the WFC cliffjumper was supposed to come with a new head sculpt and a new gun? I could just be going nuts. lol.


he does have a new head, thats for sure (and its been the first bumblebee repaint in a while to get that treatment). I'm not sure what they said about his gun, however, his hands will be able to hold the 5mm guns just fine so load him up!
Re: Seibertron.com answers Seibertron.com's Q&A (1143010)
Posted by kirbenvost on November 5th, 2010 @ 9:38am CDT
WHoa, that must've taken forever to write up. Thanks for all the hard work. :)
Re: Seibertron.com answers Seibertron.com's Q&A (1143021)
Posted by g60force on November 5th, 2010 @ 10:13am CDT
BTW.... my custom voyager WFC Starscream could have been finished allready, but I need another Cybertron/Energon Starscream for the bot mode wings by the head... then I can continue :sad:
Re: Seibertron.com answers Seibertron.com's Q&A (1143023)
Posted by Overcracker on November 5th, 2010 @ 10:33am CDT
Great work Ryan. I think most readers here will appreciate this. I for one deeply do. As I apreciate the awesome Galleries you produce.

With the mushy stuff out of the way:

Seibertron wrote:Kind of makes you wonder, if RPMs / Speed Stars is successful, how long it will take for Mattel to come up with a line of transforming robot toys to compete against Hasbro's Transformers to return the favor.


Mattel took a stab at it not too long go, albeit with questionable results. I give you Mattel's HotWheels Modifighters:
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I also have a question, I posted back in the June Q&A which was apparently a no-no at the time, but now falls in the Current Design choices category. Which by Hasbro's own limitations is fair game:

What was the mental process behind the design choice of giving the PCC combiner limbs gangly-amorphous-spring-loaded-claws rather than regular looking robotic arms?

Would it have been to close to... say... Bandai's Power Ranger style???
Re: Seibertron.com answers Seibertron.com's Q&A (1143032)
Posted by JelZe GoldRabbit on November 5th, 2010 @ 10:46am CDT
Overcracker wrote:What was the mental process behind the design choice of giving the PCC combiner limbs gangly-amorphous-spring-loaded-claws rather than regular looking robotic arms?

Would it have been to close to... say... Bandai's Power Ranger style???


Not without extra pieces being attached. Seriously though, the spring-loaded gimmick puts a big limit on what can be done, not just space, but also budget (read amount of moving parts). Also take into account the limbs needed to be symmetrical to increase the limb swapping play.

Besides, kids these day love dangerous looking claws on giant robots :P
Re: Seibertron.com answers Seibertron.com's Q&A (1143037)
Posted by Prime Evil on November 5th, 2010 @ 10:51am CDT
Great piece of work Seibs. I knew a lot of this stuff, but it's just great to see all of this done in one topic. And even helped remind me of some of the things I have forgotten. You're work is definitely appreciated man!
Re: Seibertron.com answers Seibertron.com's Q&A (1143038)
Posted by It Is Him on November 5th, 2010 @ 10:53am CDT
Seibertron wrote:
It Is Him wrote:Re: Generation Red Alert's deco. Why did Hasbro choose toy colors over TV show colors?


Most likely simply to make their product slightly different than Takara Tomy's product. In this case, Takara Tomy's product for the Asian market resembled Red Alert's cartoon colors whereas Hasbro's version resembled the original toy from 1985. I think this was especially important for Hasbro to do since Takara Tomy's version of this toy preceded the Hasbro version by over a year. Many die-hard fans already purchased the Japanese version so by making the Hasbro product different, it gives fans a reason to purchase the new version even if they already own the original version.

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I was kinda hoping to hear this from the horse's mouth. Truthfully, I was expecting an answer along the lines of, "IDW bases their Red Alert on the original toy, so we feel that would be the best way to represent the character," or something to that effect.

Either way, this new feature is great! We should do it again next month.
Re: Seibertron.com answers Seibertron.com's Q&A (1143039)
Posted by Andrius on November 5th, 2010 @ 10:53am CDT
Wow, thanks. I really enjoyed this!
Re: Seibertron.com answers Seibertron.com's Q&A (1143047)
Posted by Galvatrondestroyer on November 5th, 2010 @ 11:19am CDT
heeyy i seen one of my questions! hopefully we get some more wfc figures out before DOTM but if not we can always hope for the next set of classics after that :grin:
Re: Seibertron.com answers Seibertron.com's Q&A (1143057)
Posted by Universal Prime on November 5th, 2010 @ 11:53am CDT
So, I again ask my question: what elements are necessary to make a new continuity?
Re: Seibertron.com answers Seibertron.com's Q&A (1143110)
Posted by Liftgate on November 5th, 2010 @ 3:05pm CDT
Nice work, Ryan, this is really good. But you do realize that providing these answers will bring about the corporate collapse of Hasbro, right? Yep, stocks are plummeting and Barbie & Bandai are movin in for the kill. ;)
Re: Seibertron.com answers Seibertron.com's Q&A (1143127)
Posted by Megazarak on November 5th, 2010 @ 3:53pm CDT
"Would anyone else like to see them use the Energon Scorponok mold but done in his original Headmasters colors as part of the continued "Classics" line?"


I think I would die if this were to happen. Obviously, I love the character, and I love the Energon Scorponok mold (too bad about the crappy arms though, but if they remolded it to improve it overall and fix that, die x2) and it would be beyond awesome if they repained him like the original Scorponok.

Nice work on the questions by the way. It's nice to get so many answers, even if they're not official.
Re: Seibertron.com answers Seibertron.com's Q&A (1143130)
Posted by Seibertron on November 5th, 2010 @ 3:58pm CDT
I'm glad that you guys enjoyed the unofficial responses from Seibertron.com. It was a lot of work to answer all of these questions. I'll do my best to answer some questions again before the end of the year. Hopefully I can get some help from other knowledgeable fans next time ... I think it took me around ten hours or so over the course of 3 days to put all of that together after researching, finding appropriate images to use, links, going through all of the questions, etc. I thought it was something that I would be able to breeze through but it took way longer.

I really need to start logging my time.
Re: Seibertron.com answers Seibertron.com's Q&A (1143151)
Posted by Overcracker on November 5th, 2010 @ 4:40pm CDT
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
Overcracker wrote:What was the mental process behind the design choice of giving the PCC combiner limbs gangly-amorphous-spring-loaded-claws rather than regular looking robotic arms?

Would it have been to close to... say... Bandai's Power Ranger style???


Not without extra pieces being attached. Seriously though, the spring-loaded gimmick puts a big limit on what can be done, not just space, but also budget (read amount of moving parts). Also take into account the limbs needed to be symmetrical to increase the limb swapping play.

Besides, kids these day love dangerous looking claws on giant robots :P


Exactly my point. Why make them spring loaded, when a simple fold out arm and fists would have been much nicer, provided much more articulation, and would have been cheaper to mold. While Retaining the symmetrical need of the limbs.
Re: Seibertron.com answers Seibertron.com's Q&A (1143220)
Posted by Flashwave on November 5th, 2010 @ 8:32pm CDT
Overcracker wrote:Great work Ryan. I think most readers here will appreciate this. I for one deeply do. As I apreciate the awesome Galleries you produce.

With the mushy stuff out of the way:

Seibertron wrote:Kind of makes you wonder, if RPMs / Speed Stars is successful, how long it will take for Mattel to come up with a line of transforming robot toys to compete against Hasbro's Transformers to return the favor.


Mattel took a stab at it not too long go, albeit with questionable results. I give you Mattel's HotWheels Modifighters:
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Actually,m I can give you one from almost 10 years ago. It was a series called RoboWheels. These minicon-sized figures rode on a 1/64 chassis that had clip pegs on it, one at each end and a pair in the middle. To "transform" them, and I use that term and the term "vehicle" they folded the legs so their hips fit in the middle and one foot was at each end. They could also stand up and ride the chassis like a surfboard. The vehicle kibble clipped to their (stubby) arms and could be used as shields and bludgeoning weapons, or be swapped off for different weapons. Some of them had spoilers and exahust systems that could also double as guns. The chasis all fit through the standard Hotwheels booster and their vehicles mostly all worked on the different hotwheels racetrack sets. none did any worse than some normal hotwheels. Towards the end, they also had two characters that sat on their boards, one was a dumptruck who's body turned into the cab, the other was a racecar who's shield became the cockpit and nose, his head was the spoiler, and his body was a FREAKIN' BIG (even by Hotwheels standards) motor for this racecar.

As a kid during that, I can tell you it was an awesome little thing. Not hardly as big a deal as Transformers, but it was fun! And that's what matters in the end right? (well, besides the money...)
Re: Seibertron.com answers Seibertron.com's Q&A (1143294)
Posted by goshjosh95 on November 6th, 2010 @ 2:57am CDT
Very informative & insightful. Thanks for all your hard work on this, Seibs... we all deeply appreciate it! ;)^
Re: Seibertron.com answers Seibertron.com's Q&A (1143336)
Posted by Atomatron on November 6th, 2010 @ 8:15am CDT
thank you for taking the time putting this together
Re: Seibertron.com answers Seibertron.com's Q&A (1143338)
Posted by Rated X on November 6th, 2010 @ 8:29am CDT
Thanks for answering my question guys. On the subject of Henkei repaints, my question was more directed on paint schemes that are way off. Especially when the hasbro version comes out first before the Henkei. This was the case with Cyclonus (dark purple) Henkei got the color right a few months later. Then the 3 pack (Hong Kong)version became the most G1 accurate. I just felt the first company to put out the mold for retail should go G1 rather than such an extreme variancxe in color. And I lost my patients with waiting for Thundercracker and bought the Henkei version. Pricey but my collection is complete :D
Re: Seibertron.com answers Seibertron.com's Q&A (1143380)
Posted by Seibertron on November 6th, 2010 @ 11:11am CDT
Rated X wrote:Thanks for answering my question guys. On the subject of Henkei repaints, my question was more directed on paint schemes that are way off. Especially when the hasbro version comes out first before the Henkei. This was the case with Cyclonus (dark purple) Henkei got the color right a few months later. Then the 3 pack (Hong Kong)version became the most G1 accurate. I just felt the first company to put out the mold for retail should go G1 rather than such an extreme variancxe in color. And I lost my patients with waiting for Thundercracker and bought the Henkei version. Pricey but my collection is complete :D


It's my theory that the more accurate color schemes later down the road on future releases is part of a business strategy they would rather not discuss with fans. Of course they will release better paint schemes down the road! That's how they can get fans who have already bought a toy once to buy it again. And for those that were on the fence before, now they'll buy it this time around. From a business perspective, it makes perfect sense when trying to maximize your profits on a mold. It's the same reason why car manufacturers come out with the convertible a year or three after a hot sports car comes out or why the SS package is available the next year or that super duper engine comes out a couple of years later.

As I've said before, the Henkei's colors are extremely wrong with Cyclonus. It's the least accurate of all of the Cyclonus toys. I don't know why everyone keeps thinking light lavender is cartoon accurate, especially after you see pics of the toys alongside screenshots from the original cartoons.

Seibertron wrote:
redguyver wrote:I happen to like the colors its the closest to the cartoon coloring...although i never liked the lack of details on nightstick.....I like the purple of the 3pack release. although im sad its not going to be release in u.s...i never liked the classics colors too dark....they do make good huntsmen/armada from movie


Henkei Cyclonus' lavender color is very inaccurate. Either of the Hasbro versions are closer to both the cartoon and the original toys coloring. Here are some images from the cartoon to prove my point.

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And the toys ...

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Classics Universe Cyclonus
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Challenge at Cybertron Cyclonus
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Henkei Cyclonus
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One more time just so you guys can see how wrong the Henkei's colors are ...

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The original Hasbro Classics one is my favorite, but the Challenge at Cybertron one is probably the most accurate to the cartoon version. The Henkei's lavender doesn't make any sense at all, same with Takara's G1 Galvatron reissue.
Re: Seibertron.com answers Seibertron.com's Q&A (1143381)
Posted by Traxus Prime on November 6th, 2010 @ 11:19am CDT
I really hope Cliffjumper isnt the last of the WFC guys. I don't see why they can't remold WFC Soundwave into Blaster. Give him a new head and a new chest plate, mabye some different wheels and take the claw off the waist.....I think that would make for a good classics Blaster.
Re: Seibertron.com answers Seibertron.com's Q&A (1143451)
Posted by NuclearConvoy on November 6th, 2010 @ 4:17pm CDT
Seibertron wrote:Hmm ... I can't imagine this has anything to do with giving Mattel some good old fashioned competition at long last? Kind of makes you wonder, if RPMs / Speed Stars is successful, how long it will take for Mattel to come up with a line of transforming robot toys to compete against Hasbro's Transformers to return the favor.


Well, considering the vast array of awesome liscences and custom car designs thay have in their catalogues, we might be able to get some cool stuff out of it... though whether they would transform well or not would be entirely up in the air.
Re: Seibertron.com answers Seibertron.com's Q&A (1143504)
Posted by NTESHFT on November 6th, 2010 @ 7:59pm CDT
Wow, that was an awesome Q&A session. A lot of great questions with great answers. A big thanks to all those out there listening to the us fans and Seibertron.com for making our voice known.


One thing that kind of boggles my mind is what seems to be Hasbro's take on doing the the Super_Ultra class figures such as Scorpinok or Omega Supreme. People are spending $134 to $200 for MP figures (I'm one of them), not to mention money for third-party toy makes. Even though one by itself is not retailed at $100, companies such as CD, when buying the accessories for one figure could add up to over $100. I feel firm in saying that if Hasbro did a WFC Omega or a Classics-style Metroplex, fans would eat it up.

From what I've been told, playsets like the Star Wars At At are doing good. This comes from the Star Wars fans I talk to who are in the 501st with me. They especially like the vintage packaging they are doing right now, which also makes me wonder if Hasbro would consider doing some sort of vintage packaging for Transformers in the future. Could this be possible?

Plus, as far as my concern goes for combiners, I would prefer Hasbro to use the Deluxe or Voyager class figures, as opposed to the Power Core combiners. I purchased Double Clutch and was disappointed with how it wouldn't stay together. I may be wrong, but it makes me assume that the others would probably do the same. Is Hasbro straying away from the bigger combiners by doing the Power Core, or are they just simply pulling from the drones and mini cons that used to seem to sell well, in my opinion?
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Posted by chuckdawg1999 on November 7th, 2010 @ 2:45pm CST
Hasbro said at Bot-Con that they wanted to do combiners at a fixed price point that are geared towards a younger age bracket. They tried many different combinations, including transforming drones, but nothing worked. Takara's designers were the ones who came up with the PCC look. All the PCC are "gang molded" meaning the Commander figures are on the same spruce as their mini-cons and the 5 pack drones are together with their Commanders. If you notice the repaint of Smolder as a Protectorbot is blue with blue light piping, the recolor of Chopster is the same color blue. For reference Hasbro did the same thing with GI Joe back in the day since they wanted a child to be able to have all the figures and accessories in a year for under $75.

Hasbro has said in reference to GI Joe play sets like the Terror Drome that for them to be made a store would have to carry it as an exclusive. This was before the $99 Pitt play set failed so I'm not sure what their policy is now. I'm with Seibertron in that I have no idea how $100+ SW vehicles are made every year, the only thing I can think of is that the cost of making them is so cheap that they sell them to stores at such a low price that a retailer doesn't mind if it sits for months or years.
Re: Seibertron.com answers Seibertron.com's Q&A (1143801)
Posted by NTESHFT on November 7th, 2010 @ 4:17pm CST
Ooooh, I loved the Terror Drome. i think it was the only playset I had ever gotten as far as G.I. Joe goes.

I saw in a Toys R Us catalog that they have reduced the price of the At At to $78, I think.
Re: Seibertron.com answers Seibertron.com's Q&A (1143832)
Posted by chuckdawg1999 on November 7th, 2010 @ 5:42pm CST
headsortails wrote:Ooooh, I loved the Terror Drome. i think it was the only playset I had ever gotten as far as G.I. Joe goes.

I saw in a Toys R Us catalog that they have reduced the price of the At At to $78, I think.


Wal Mart had a roll back and it was selling at $50. I have no idea what it's made of to be sold at that price. I remember the AT-TE legs were made so cheaply Hasbro had to replace them.
Re: Seibertron.com answers Seibertron.com's Q&A (1146203)
Posted by Gandalf on November 13th, 2010 @ 9:32pm CST
Seibertron wrote:
Gandalf wrote:At BotCon this year, someone on the Hasbro panel stated that you were unable to get Generations Thunderwing's "drone" to transform. Why couldn't it have been a Minicon/Targetmaster like with Universe Cyclonus? Would you consider making this drone into a Scout class figure in the future, under a different name if needed?


I think this all comes down to cost and getting this toy/mold to fit within the confines of the deluxe class price range. The more complex the tooling, the more expensive the toy (or the less profitable a toy depending on how the toy is sold or marketed). I think the upcoming Scourge toy is victim of this as well. Someone at Hasbro or Takara Tomy surely had to say "Hey, why aren't we making Fracas to go with this?" I will be the first to point out that my argument here can quickly be flawed simply by pointing out that Nightstick got made with Cyclonus. Maybe this has to do with the changing markets, or the cost of plastic or not enough time to design Thunderwing's drone and Scourge's partner Fracas.

From my personal opinion, I think Thunderwing having a drone would've been confusing in today's market and for many fans unfamiliar with the Pretender concept. It is my belief that the Thunderwing toy, as are any Pretenders homages going forward, are an amalgamation of the Pretender shell and inner robot since the Pretender concept isn't being used.

I wouldn't count on Thunderwing's drone ever being released separately. No need for this.



Why would it be confusing? It would be no more confusing than a Targetmaster or Minicon. "Look Mom! That one has an extra little guy with it!" It would just be a big Transformer with a little Transformer. I don't expect Hasbro would make any mention of the Pretender concept, so I don't see how that would be confusing at all.

No need for a separate drone? Since when has there been a need for anything? There is no need for constant homages in non-G1 based lines. There was no need for recent interactions between Voyagers and Scouts. I know it isn't likely, but what I'm getting at, is that a Scout class, or even Legends class version of the smaller Thunderwing character/toy would be cool. It would be an homage to a G1 toy, and it would compliment, and possibly interact with, a recent Deluxe. Isn't that enough? Seems to be by Hasbro's standards.
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Posted by JelZe GoldRabbit on November 14th, 2010 @ 10:43am CST
Gandalf wrote:
Seibertron wrote:
Gandalf wrote:At BotCon this year, someone on the Hasbro panel stated that you were unable to get Generations Thunderwing's "drone" to transform. Why couldn't it have been a Minicon/Targetmaster like with Universe Cyclonus? Would you consider making this drone into a Scout class figure in the future, under a different name if needed?


I think this all comes down to cost and getting this toy/mold to fit within the confines of the deluxe class price range. The more complex the tooling, the more expensive the toy (or the less profitable a toy depending on how the toy is sold or marketed). I think the upcoming Scourge toy is victim of this as well. Someone at Hasbro or Takara Tomy surely had to say "Hey, why aren't we making Fracas to go with this?" I will be the first to point out that my argument here can quickly be flawed simply by pointing out that Nightstick got made with Cyclonus. Maybe this has to do with the changing markets, or the cost of plastic or not enough time to design Thunderwing's drone and Scourge's partner Fracas.

From my personal opinion, I think Thunderwing having a drone would've been confusing in today's market and for many fans unfamiliar with the Pretender concept. It is my belief that the Thunderwing toy, as are any Pretenders homages going forward, are an amalgamation of the Pretender shell and inner robot since the Pretender concept isn't being used.

I wouldn't count on Thunderwing's drone ever being released separately. No need for this.



Why would it be confusing? It would be no more confusing than a Targetmaster or Minicon. "Look Mom! That one has an extra little guy with it!" It would just be a big Transformer with a little Transformer. I don't expect Hasbro would make any mention of the Pretender concept, so I don't see how that would be confusing at all.

No need for a separate drone? Since when has there been a need for anything? There is no need for constant homages in non-G1 based lines. There was no need for recent interactions between Voyagers and Scouts. I know it isn't likely, but what I'm getting at, is that a Scout class, or even Legends class version of the smaller Thunderwing character/toy would be cool. It would be an homage to a G1 toy, and it would compliment, and possibly interact with, a recent Deluxe. Isn't that enough? Seems to be by Hasbro's standards.


You're forgetting that the main exposure to the toys came from either the animation or (later on) the Marvel comics. In both Bludgeon's and Thunderwing's cases, they hardly ever exited their shells, so the casual fan may not realize or even remember there was a smaller robot inside. Hasbro takes that into consideration as well, even more so than aspects of the original toy. That's vital in either completely removing a feature, or slimming it. In today's economy, less (meaning less parts produced to construct the toy) is more, but given that we're still able to recognize aspects of the original toy incorporated into the new one, neutered as they are, it's a safe bet that Hasbro considers the homage aspect a success.
Now that I think about it, another aspect that may have played a role are the Power Core Combiners, specifically the 2-packs. Hasbro wants to keep things logical, and features within their designated lines. In this case, smaller transforming figures interacting with larger figures are strictly PCC territory, so Fracas and Thunderwing's smaller form are nixed. We had something similar with Energon Grimlock and Swoop. They were originally intended for Universe 2003 as the first original molds especially for the line, combination gimmick and all, but because of that gimmick they were moved to Energon to keep the combination gimmick unique to that line.
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Posted by Galvatrondestroyer on December 13th, 2010 @ 7:01pm CST
heres a good question: will we see the return of the autobot and decepticon targetmasters like chromedome, triggerhappy or misfire? how bout a updated sixshot? or even some of the decepticon headmasters like snapdragon or mindwipe(actual g1ish figures, not movieverse)
Re: Seibertron.com answers Seibertron.com's Q&A (1157185)
Posted by chuckdawg1999 on December 13th, 2010 @ 7:06pm CST
Galvatrondestroyer wrote:heres a good question: will we see the return of the autobot and decepticon targetmasters like chromedome, triggerhappy or misfire? how bout a updated sixshot? or even some of the decepticon headmasters like snapdragon or mindwipe(actual g1ish figures, not movieverse)


Hasbro doesn't like doing multi-changers due to the difficulty in repainting the molds so something like a new Sixshot is iffy to no.
Re: Seibertron.com answers Seibertron.com's Q&A (1157190)
Posted by Seibertron on December 13th, 2010 @ 7:12pm CST
chuckdawg1999 wrote:
Galvatrondestroyer wrote:heres a good question: will we see the return of the autobot and decepticon targetmasters like chromedome, triggerhappy or misfire? how bout a updated sixshot? or even some of the decepticon headmasters like snapdragon or mindwipe(actual g1ish figures, not movieverse)


Hasbro doesn't like doing multi-changers due to the difficulty in repainting the molds so something like a new Sixshot is iffy to no.


Or might they have something in the works for us just possibly? :D

If they just happened to make a new Sixshot, they could, with a little creative engineering (ala sideswipe/sunstreaker) and at least 1 new head, get 4 characters out of 1 mold: Sixshot, Quickswitch, Sixknight, and Greatshot.
Re: Seibertron.com answers Seibertron.com's Q&A (1157204)
Posted by chuckdawg1999 on December 13th, 2010 @ 7:28pm CST
Seibertron wrote:
chuckdawg1999 wrote:
Galvatrondestroyer wrote:heres a good question: will we see the return of the autobot and decepticon targetmasters like chromedome, triggerhappy or misfire? how bout a updated sixshot? or even some of the decepticon headmasters like snapdragon or mindwipe(actual g1ish figures, not movieverse)


Hasbro doesn't like doing multi-changers due to the difficulty in repainting the molds so something like a new Sixshot is iffy to no.


Or might they have something in the works for us just possibly? :D

If they just happened to make a new Sixshot, they could, with a little creative engineering (ala sideswipe/sunstreaker) and at least 1 new head, get 4 characters out of 1 mold: Sixshot, Quickswitch, Sixknight, and Greatshot.


Don't forget the remold they did for the Brave King Exkaiser line. In all seriousness the designers have said in the past for whatever reason they don't like making triple changers. Don't know why, I think they're great.
Re: Seibertron.com answers Seibertron.com's Q&A (1157258)
Posted by Seibertron on December 13th, 2010 @ 10:22pm CST
chuckdawg1999 wrote:
Seibertron wrote:
chuckdawg1999 wrote:
Galvatrondestroyer wrote:heres a good question: will we see the return of the autobot and decepticon targetmasters like chromedome, triggerhappy or misfire? how bout a updated sixshot? or even some of the decepticon headmasters like snapdragon or mindwipe(actual g1ish figures, not movieverse)


Hasbro doesn't like doing multi-changers due to the difficulty in repainting the molds so something like a new Sixshot is iffy to no.


Or might they have something in the works for us just possibly? :D

If they just happened to make a new Sixshot, they could, with a little creative engineering (ala sideswipe/sunstreaker) and at least 1 new head, get 4 characters out of 1 mold: Sixshot, Quickswitch, Sixknight, and Greatshot.


Don't forget the remold they did for the Brave King Exkaiser line. In all seriousness the designers have said in the past for whatever reason they don't like making triple changers. Don't know why, I think they're great.


Yep, that's what they said in the past. But is the past the future?
Re: Seibertron.com answers Seibertron.com's Q&A (1157260)
Posted by chuckdawg1999 on December 13th, 2010 @ 10:38pm CST
Seibertron wrote:
chuckdawg1999 wrote:
Seibertron wrote:
chuckdawg1999 wrote:
Galvatrondestroyer wrote:heres a good question: will we see the return of the autobot and decepticon targetmasters like chromedome, triggerhappy or misfire? how bout a updated sixshot? or even some of the decepticon headmasters like snapdragon or mindwipe(actual g1ish figures, not movieverse)


Hasbro doesn't like doing multi-changers due to the difficulty in repainting the molds so something like a new Sixshot is iffy to no.


Or might they have something in the works for us just possibly? :D

If they just happened to make a new Sixshot, they could, with a little creative engineering (ala sideswipe/sunstreaker) and at least 1 new head, get 4 characters out of 1 mold: Sixshot, Quickswitch, Sixknight, and Greatshot.


Don't forget the remold they did for the Brave King Exkaiser line. In all seriousness the designers have said in the past for whatever reason they don't like making triple changers. Don't know why, I think they're great.


Yep, that's what they said in the past. But is the past the future?


I've been thinking about it all night, what if they make a figure like RID Megatron who's linear design allows for multiple modes without modification to the mold?
Re: Seibertron.com answers Seibertron.com's Q&A (1157299)
Posted by Galvatrondestroyer on December 14th, 2010 @ 2:47am CST
chuckdawg1999 wrote:
Seibertron wrote:
chuckdawg1999 wrote:
Seibertron wrote:
chuckdawg1999 wrote:
Galvatrondestroyer wrote:heres a good question: will we see the return of the autobot and decepticon targetmasters like chromedome, triggerhappy or misfire? how bout a updated sixshot? or even some of the decepticon headmasters like snapdragon or mindwipe(actual g1ish figures, not movieverse)


Hasbro doesn't like doing multi-changers due to the difficulty in repainting the molds so something like a new Sixshot is iffy to no.


Or might they have something in the works for us just possibly? :D

If they just happened to make a new Sixshot, they could, with a little creative engineering (ala sideswipe/sunstreaker) and at least 1 new head, get 4 characters out of 1 mold: Sixshot, Quickswitch, Sixknight, and Greatshot.


Don't forget the remold they did for the Brave King Exkaiser line. In all seriousness the designers have said in the past for whatever reason they don't like making triple changers. Don't know why, I think they're great.


Yep, that's what they said in the past. But is the past the future?


I've been thinking about it all night, what if they make a figure like RID Megatron who's linear design allows for multiple modes without modification to the mold?


it would be so nice to have a generations or reveal the shield sixshot...also would be nice to have a generations/reveal the shield blitzwing to complete the con triple changer triad
Re: Seibertron.com answers Seibertron.com's Q&A (1157625)
Posted by NuclearConvoy on December 15th, 2010 @ 12:00am CST
chuckdawg1999 wrote:
Don't forget the remold they did for the Brave King Exkaiser line. In all seriousness the designers have said in the past for whatever reason they don't like making triple changers. Don't know why, I think they're great.


Shadowmaru, from Brave Police J-Decker.
Furthermore, it is Brave Exkaiser and King of Braves Gao Gai Gar.
Got a whole bunch of mixing up in this business, yeah? :P
Re: Seibertron.com answers Seibertron.com's Q&A (1157626)
Posted by chuckdawg1999 on December 15th, 2010 @ 12:06am CST
NuclearConvoy wrote:
chuckdawg1999 wrote:
Don't forget the remold they did for the Brave King Exkaiser line. In all seriousness the designers have said in the past for whatever reason they don't like making triple changers. Don't know why, I think they're great.


Shadowmaru, from Brave Police J-Decker.
Furthermore, it is Brave Exkaiser and King of Braves Gao Gai Gar.
Got a whole bunch of mixing up in this business, yeah? :P


Yes J-Decker. I liked how for his gun mode they all had to carry him. Wasn't Exkaiser called King Exkaiser when he was merged with the king loader?
Re: Seibertron.com answers Seibertron.com's Q&A (1157627)
Posted by NuclearConvoy on December 15th, 2010 @ 12:17am CST
chuckdawg1999 wrote:
NuclearConvoy wrote:
chuckdawg1999 wrote:
Don't forget the remold they did for the Brave King Exkaiser line. In all seriousness the designers have said in the past for whatever reason they don't like making triple changers. Don't know why, I think they're great.


Shadowmaru, from Brave Police J-Decker.
Furthermore, it is Brave Exkaiser and King of Braves Gao Gai Gar.
Got a whole bunch of mixing up in this business, yeah? :P


Yes J-Decker. I liked how for his gun mode they all had to carry him. Wasn't Exkaiser called King Exkaiser when he was merged with the king loader?


Yeah, he was called King Exkaiser when merged, but the show was simply Brave Exkaiser.
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