Takara Tomy Masterpiece Star Saber Comparison Shots - Saber as Torso
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Posted by OptimalOptimus2 on August 30th, 2014 @ 10:52am CDT
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Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on August 30th, 2014 @ 11:01am CDT
OptimalOptimus2 wrote:I'm starting to dislike this figure.
That is the body of the G1 original, you know that, right?
Posted by LOST Cybertronian on August 30th, 2014 @ 11:24am CDT
Posted by Seibertron on August 30th, 2014 @ 11:25am CDT
Sabrblade wrote:EDIT: Two more size comparison pics. This time it's Saber in his torso configuration for his "Battle Up!" combination with the V-Star to form Star Saber:
https://twitter.com/TFYUKI/status/505552098524553216
https://twitter.com/TFYUKI/status/505570002057953280
Just an FYI, we aren't going to news these because these images are getting ridiculous. These images are great for forum topic discussion, but these images shouldn't get the news feed treatment. Color images of Star Saber or new features on Star Saber are what should get news'ed next.
Thanks for sharing, Sabrblade!
Posted by Seibertron on August 30th, 2014 @ 11:28am CDT
Posted by OptimalOptimus2 on August 30th, 2014 @ 11:31am CDT
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:OptimalOptimus2 wrote:I'm starting to dislike this figure.
That is the body of the G1 original, you know that, right?
I wasn't talking about the original. I know which is which. I'm not a stupid Transformers fan.
Posted by Agamemnon on August 30th, 2014 @ 11:36am CDT
OptimalOptimus2 wrote:JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:OptimalOptimus2 wrote:I'm starting to dislike this figure.
That is the body of the G1 original, you know that, right?
I wasn't talking about the original. I know which is which. I'm not a stupid Transformers fan.
What about it is not to your liking? Based on when this comment appeared, I wondered if there was confusion about the V-Star being G1 or MP. Was there something in the newest prototype pics? (Just looking for clarification on the original comment, and hoping to smooth some things over. )
Posted by Va'al on August 30th, 2014 @ 11:49am CDT
Seibertron wrote:Sabrblade wrote:EDIT: Two more size comparison pics. This time it's Saber in his torso configuration for his "Battle Up!" combination with the V-Star to form Star Saber:
https://twitter.com/TFYUKI/status/505552098524553216
https://twitter.com/TFYUKI/status/505570002057953280
Just an FYI, we aren't going to news these because these images are getting ridiculous. These images are great for forum topic discussion, but these images shouldn't get the news feed treatment. Color images of Star Saber or new features on Star Saber are what should get news'ed next.
Thanks for sharing, Sabrblade!
I had already posted before the decision was made, I apologise for that.
Ryan's point still stands: we will not post any further size comparisons on the front page, unless they reveal something entirely new, or it's a full-colour shot.
Posted by fenrir72 on August 30th, 2014 @ 12:58pm CDT
Agamemnon wrote:OptimalOptimus2 wrote:JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:OptimalOptimus2 wrote:I'm starting to dislike this figure.
That is the body of the G1 original, you know that, right?
I wasn't talking about the original. I know which is which. I'm not a stupid Transformers fan.
What about it is not to your liking? Based on when this comment appeared, I wondered if there was confusion about the V-Star being G1 or MP. Was there something in the newest prototype pics? (Just looking for clarification on the original comment, and hoping to smooth some things over. )
Want to know too? Why do you dislike the new version?
Posted by ZeroWolf on August 30th, 2014 @ 1:33pm CDT
The look that it could combine with victory Leo though is decreasing with each new comparsion pic. Looks like it will just be too small to combine.
Posted by OptimalOptimus2 on August 30th, 2014 @ 3:53pm CDT
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on August 30th, 2014 @ 3:59pm CDT
OptimalOptimus2 wrote:The reason why I don't really like it is because, yes, it's smaller than its predecessor. Star Saber's Standard Mode is the same size as MP Prowl which I find it out of scale. The only good thing about this toy is that is has a lot more articulation than the G1 version. It really bothers me that this toy is small. I'm sorry if I have upset any of you for stating my reason. Might be best to keep the original Star Saber.
As Sabrblade has said, that puts him more-or-less cartoon-accurate scale to the upcoming Wheeljack in small form.
Posted by ZeroWolf on August 30th, 2014 @ 6:42pm CDT
OptimalOptimus2 wrote:The reason why I don't really like it is because, yes, it's smaller than its predecessor. Star Saber's Standard Mode is the same size as MP Prowl which I find it out of scale. The only good thing about this toy is that it has a lot more articulation than the G1 version. It really bothers me that this toy is small. I'm sorry if I have upset any of you for stating my reason. Might be best to keep the original Star Saber.
Don't worry about it. Your entitled to your opinion We only wanted to know because you didn't explain at the time, or at least that's why I wanted to know.
Posted by Sabrblade on August 30th, 2014 @ 7:07pm CDT
It is not out of scale. The larger Star Saber form is bigger than the original toy:OptimalOptimus2 wrote:The reason why I don't really like it is because, yes, it's smaller than its predecessor. Star Saber's Standard Mode is the same size as MP Prowl which I find it out of scale. The only good thing about this toy is that it has a lot more articulation than the G1 version. It really bothers me that this toy is small. I'm sorry if I have upset any of you for stating my reason. Might be best to keep the original Star Saber.
It's only the toy's Saber form and the Brain of Courage that are smaller, and that's for the sake of show-accuracy.
In the cartoon, Saber was the same height as Perceptor, who was the same height as Wheeljack:
Posted by Seibertron on August 30th, 2014 @ 8:01pm CDT
Sabrblade wrote:It is not out of scale. The larger Star Saber form is bigger than the original toy:OptimalOptimus2 wrote:The reason why I don't really like it is because, yes, it's smaller than its predecessor. Star Saber's Standard Mode is the same size as MP Prowl which I find it out of scale. The only good thing about this toy is that it has a lot more articulation than the G1 version. It really bothers me that this toy is small. I'm sorry if I have upset any of you for stating my reason. Might be best to keep the original Star Saber.
It's only the toy's Saber form and the Brain of Courage that are smaller, and that's for the sake of show-accuracy.
In the cartoon, Saber was the same height as Perceptor, who was the same height as Wheeljack:
I'm with OptimalOptimus2 on this. Saber and Yukio are too small. Star Saber combined looks awesome, and it's great that Saber is the same size as the Autobot Cars in the Masterpiece line, but some times the cartoon "scale" needs to get tossed out the window. Bumblebee should've been bigger too.
Posted by Sabrblade on August 30th, 2014 @ 8:06pm CDT
The brain has no personal name. It's just "Brain of Courage" (Yūki no Brain).Seibertron wrote:Yukio
Posted by Seibertron on August 30th, 2014 @ 8:10pm CDT
Sabrblade wrote:The brain has no personal name. It's just "Brain of Courage" (Yūki no Brain).Seibertron wrote:Yukio
I'll continue to call the Brainmaster "Brain of Courage" master figures as "Yūki", "Riki", "Chie" and "Waza" despite what TFwiki says (which may be correct). Those words associated with those figures came from somewhere. Those figures have been known as those names for quite some time and it wouldn't be the first time that fan made words made the official leap such as "Generation 1", "Seekers" and other words or names.
TFwiki wrote:For years, Transformers fans have referred (and continue to refer) to the Brainmaster components of Star Saber, Blacker, Braver and Laster as "Yūki", "Riki", "Chie" and "Waza", as if they were proper names. These are, in fact, simply the Japanese words meaning "courage", "strength", "intelligence" and "skill"; the Brains do not have proper names, and are simply known as "Brain of Courage", etc.
Posted by fenrir72 on August 30th, 2014 @ 8:27pm CDT
ZeroWolf wrote:I would also like to know why you dislike it now, is it something to do with the fact its smaller then it's predecessor.
The look that it could combine with victory Leo though is decreasing with each new comparsion pic. Looks like it will just be too small to combine.
Not the original Victory Leo but the possible MP Victory Leo? Keeping fingers crossed!
Posted by Sabrblade on August 30th, 2014 @ 8:55pm CDT
It also wouldn't be the first time misconceptions became widespread enough to mislead most of the fandom for many years until reality came knocking at the door. Remember the era when people thought the characters of the Beast Wars II and Beast Wars Neo cartoons all hailed from the same home time as the American Beast Wars characters? Or when the Micromasters D-Go and San D-Go were believed to be named "Diego" and "San Diego", respectively (though, the reference is there as a pun)? Or the ever lovingly "Hyper Goldfish Golfball!" phrase from the Fire Convoy toy (which was really "Cybertron Senshi, TRANSFORM!").Seibertron wrote:Sabrblade wrote:The brain has no personal name. It's just "Brain of Courage" (Yūki no Brain).Seibertron wrote:Yukio
I'll continue to call the Brainmaster "Brain of Courage" master figures as "Yūki", "Riki", "Chie" and "Waza" despite what TFwiki says (which may be correct). Those words associated with those figures came from somewhere. Those figures have been known as those names for quite some time and it wouldn't be the first time that fan made words made the official leap such as "Generation 1", "Seekers" and other words or names.TFwiki wrote:For years, Transformers fans have referred (and continue to refer) to the Brainmaster components of Star Saber, Blacker, Braver and Laster as "Yūki", "Riki", "Chie" and "Waza", as if they were proper names. These are, in fact, simply the Japanese words meaning "courage", "strength", "intelligence" and "skill"; the Brains do not have proper names, and are simply known as "Brain of Courage", etc.
"Yūki" is literally the Japanese word for "Courage", "Bravery", "Fearlessness", etc. Same with the other three meaning those other words (though, it's "Chikara" rather than "Riki"). "Waza" was even used again in recent years in Transformers: Go! to refer to GoKenzan as the "Waza no Sanjou Gattai", meaning he's the "Triple Combination of Skill". Fans attributing these descriptors to the Brainmasters as personal names for them was likely another product of the early online fandom of the 90s' lack of full understanding of the Japanese Transformers series. And that is reasonably understandable since both the fandom and its awareness of the Japanese TF series' existence was still very new at the time, and the shows themselves wouldn't be fully experienced until the fansubs of them from TV-Nihon and the official subbed DVD sets of them from the UK and Australia came about in the 2000s.
As for the brains themselves, the Victory cartoon itself would address the terms "Yūki", "Chikara", "Chie" and "Waza" in regards to the brains in its third episode:
Jean's hyperbolic excitement aside, it's evident that he's speaking of the Brains as a power (manifested into physical robotic forms) belonging to each of the larger Autobots, rather than as individual persons in their own right.Joyce: "Hey, are the Cybertrons powerful?"
Jean: "Of course! All the Cybertrons are powerful, but the Brainmasters are really powerful!"
Joyce: "Brainmasters?"
Jean: "Yeah! There's only four beings in the whole universe who have the Brain Power (Burein Kinō)!"
Students: "Wow!"
Teacher: "Jean-kun! Be quiet and pay attention!"
Jean: "Yes sir!"
Joyce: "What's Brain Power?"
Jean: "I'm glad you asked! Brain Power is... Courage (Yūki)! Strength (Chikara)! Intelligence (Chie)! Skill (Waza)! It's an awesome mecha that gives one's abilities a power-up! When someone has the Brain Power, they become one of the most powerful warriors in the universe! Well, that's what I heard from Holi, anyway."
Not to mention that "Yūki" (勇気), "Chikara" (カ), "Chie" (知恵), and "Waza" (技) are all written in Kanji instead of Kana like the "no Burein" (のブレイン) part is, what with their being native Japanese words rather than a foreign word like "Brain":
- "Yūki no Burein" = 勇気のブレイン = "Brain of Courage"
- "Chikara no Burein" = 力のブレイン = "Brain of Strength" (well, "Chikara" more closely means "Power", but its context in the show pegs "Strength" as the more accurate translation)
- "Chie no Burein" = 知恵のブレイン = "Brain of Intelligence"
- "Waza no Burein" = 技のブレイン = "Brain of Skill"
Posted by Seibertron on August 30th, 2014 @ 9:16pm CDT
Sabrblade wrote:"Yūki" is literally the Japanese word for "Courage", "Bravery", "Fearlessness", etc. Same with the other three meaning those other words (though, it's "Chikara" rather than "Riki"). "Waza" was even used again in recent years in Transformers: Go! to refer to GoKenzan as the "Waza no Sanjou Gattai", meaning he's the "Triple Combination of Skill". Fans attributing these descriptors to the Brainmasters as personal names for them was likely another product of the early online fandom of the 90s' lack of full understanding of the Japanese Transformers series. And that is reasonably understandable since both the fandom and its awareness of the Japanese TF series' existence was still very new at the time, and the shows themselves wouldn't be fully experienced until the fansubs of them from TV-Nihon and the official subbed DVD sets of them from the UK and Australia came about in the 2000s.
As for the brains themselves, the Victory cartoon itself would address the terms "Yūki", "Chikara", "Chie" and "Waza" in regards to the brains in its third episode:Jean's hyperbolic excitement aside, it's evident that he's speaking of the Brains as a power (manifested into physical robotic forms) belonging to each of the larger Autobots, rather than as individual persons in their own right.Joyce: "Hey, are the Cybertrons powerful?"
Jean: "Of course! All the Cybertrons are powerful, but the Brainmasters are really powerful!"
Joyce: "Brainmasters?"
Jean: "Yeah! There's only four beings in the whole universe who have the Brain Power (Burein Kinō)!"
Students: "Wow!"
Teacher: "Jean-kun! Be quiet and pay attention!"
Jean: "Yes sir!"
Joyce: "What's Brain Power?"
Jean: "I'm glad you asked! Brain Power is... Courage (Yūki)! Strength (Chikara)! Intelligence (Chie)! Skill (Waza)! It's an awesome mecha that gives one's abilities a power-up! When some has the Brain Power, they become one of the most powerful warriors in the universe! Well, that's what I heard from Holi, anyway."
They're still "Yūki", "Riki", "Chie" and "Waza" to me.
Posted by Sabrblade on August 30th, 2014 @ 9:19pm CDT
Posted by Seibertron on August 30th, 2014 @ 9:27pm CDT
Sabrblade wrote:I edited my post to include one more point.
I could get behind changing the names for the galleries to
Where does Riki come from with Chikara?
"Yūki no Burein" = 勇気のブレイン = "Brain of Courage"
"Chikara no Burein" = カのブレイン = "Brain of Strength"
"Chie no Burein" = 知恵のブレイン = "Brain of Intelligence"
"Waza no Burein" = 技のブレイ = "Brain of Skill"
Posted by Sabrblade on August 30th, 2014 @ 9:44pm CDT
It was likely from a mistranslation of 力 (chikara).Seibertron wrote:Where does Riki come from with Chikara?
I don't know exactly how fans got "Riki" (or "Sala", another fan name) from 力, though of note is how very similar 力 resembles the Katakana カ ("Ka") character. There's very little difference visible between the two when viewed on this screen, unless one enlarges them:
力 vs. カ
"Chikara" vs. "Ka"
You can use the English word "Brain" instead of the transliteration of "Burein" since the use of Katakana over Hiragana denotes their using the English word.Seibertron wrote:"Yūki no Burein" = 勇気のブレイン = "Brain of Courage"
"Chikara no Burein" = 力のブレイン = "Brain of Strength"
"Chie no Burein" = 知恵のブレイン = "Brain of Intelligence"
"Waza no Burein" = 技のブレイン = "Brain of Skill"
Otherwise, the Kanji 脳 ("Nō") or the Hiragana のう ("Nō") would have been used for "Brain" instead of ブレイン ("Burein").
Posted by chuckdawg1999 on August 30th, 2014 @ 11:05pm CDT
Seibertron wrote:Sabrblade wrote:"Yūki" is literally the Japanese word for "Courage", "Bravery", "Fearlessness", etc. Same with the other three meaning those other words (though, it's "Chikara" rather than "Riki"). "Waza" was even used again in recent years in Transformers: Go! to refer to GoKenzan as the "Waza no Sanjou Gattai", meaning he's the "Triple Combination of Skill". Fans attributing these descriptors to the Brainmasters as personal names for them was likely another product of the early online fandom of the 90s' lack of full understanding of the Japanese Transformers series. And that is reasonably understandable since both the fandom and its awareness of the Japanese TF series' existence was still very new at the time, and the shows themselves wouldn't be fully experienced until the fansubs of them from TV-Nihon and the official subbed DVD sets of them from the UK and Australia came about in the 2000s.
As for the brains themselves, the Victory cartoon itself would address the terms "Yūki", "Chikara", "Chie" and "Waza" in regards to the brains in its third episode:Jean's hyperbolic excitement aside, it's evident that he's speaking of the Brains as a power (manifested into physical robotic forms) belonging to each of the larger Autobots, rather than as individual persons in their own right.Joyce: "Hey, are the Cybertrons powerful?"
Jean: "Of course! All the Cybertrons are powerful, but the Brainmasters are really powerful!"
Joyce: "Brainmasters?"
Jean: "Yeah! There's only four beings in the whole universe who have the Brain Power (Burein Kinō)!"
Students: "Wow!"
Teacher: "Jean-kun! Be quiet and pay attention!"
Jean: "Yes sir!"
Joyce: "What's Brain Power?"
Jean: "I'm glad you asked! Brain Power is... Courage (Yūki)! Strength (Chikara)! Intelligence (Chie)! Skill (Waza)! It's an awesome mecha that gives one's abilities a power-up! When some has the Brain Power, they become one of the most powerful warriors in the universe! Well, that's what I heard from Holi, anyway."
They're still "Yūki", "Riki", "Chie" and "Waza" to me.
I call them Bill, Bob, Rob and Roy. And they're from a Japanese animated cartoon.
Posted by guarayakha on August 31st, 2014 @ 2:09am CDT
Seibertron wrote:
Where does Riki come from with Chikara?
Synonyms. The kanji "力" can be read as both "Chikara" or "Riki".
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on August 31st, 2014 @ 1:32pm CDT
guarayakha wrote:Seibertron wrote:
Where does Riki come from with Chikara?
Synonyms. The kanji "力" can be read as both "Chikara" or "Riki".
To elaborate a bit: most Kanji have multiple readings, one from native Japanese, and the other derived from the original Chinese. Which one to use when is a bit of an art, but a good rule to follow is that one is used stand-alone, and the other as part of a compound. Some are just a mess and have to be learned by heart. Look at 力 for example:
力 = Chikara (kun'yomi reading)
重力 = Juu-ryoku (on'yomi reading)
超力 = Chou-riki (alternate on'yomi reading)
The third is where "Riki" comes from.
Posted by Sabrblade on August 31st, 2014 @ 2:37pm CDT
Rightfully so, though, as I see in hindsight that it certainly was.
Posted by LOST Cybertronian on September 1st, 2014 @ 5:42pm CDT
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Posted by Sabrblade on September 1st, 2014 @ 6:49pm CDT
Posted by Agamemnon on September 1st, 2014 @ 7:22pm CDT
Sabrblade wrote:So yeah, despite Saber and the Brain being smaller than their originals, Star Saber's "Battle Up!" form is definitely bigger.
Indeed. I also like the proportions better now. It feels much closer to screen accuracy in the respective parts of Star Saber. I'm very happy with it!
Posted by mooncake623 on September 1st, 2014 @ 10:20pm CDT
Posted by RotorstormNZ on September 1st, 2014 @ 10:56pm CDT
Looking forward to the Gallery and reviews!
Posted by LOST Cybertronian on September 1st, 2014 @ 11:21pm CDT
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Posted by kirbenvost on September 2nd, 2014 @ 2:50am CDT
Another cool thing, this seems to confirm he can hold the sword with the blade facing the right direction.
Posted by RhA on September 2nd, 2014 @ 3:11am CDT
BERSEKAEL wrote:honestly doesn't look bad, besides I know nothing about that character or its lore. So pass.
Watch Victory and get educated. I loved it.
Posted by ZeroWolf on September 2nd, 2014 @ 3:41am CDT
Posted by OptimalOptimus2 on September 2nd, 2014 @ 7:01am CDT
ZeroWolf wrote:Hmm...now to find out how much that is pound wise. These pictures are fantastic, a lot of love has been given to updating Star Saber. Can't wait for next March.
About £105.
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